Benny Hinn
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> hi all,
>
> sorry if this was a recently discussed topic. i am reading his book
> "good morning Holy Spirit" and find it interesting so far. i heard
> about some recent allegations against benny hinn and wanted to know
> more about them.
>
> i heard rumors that some of his theology is flaky, and also something about
> his money and healing services... if you know more about this, can
> you please send me email with details? i'll post a followup with all
> the responses if there is sufficient interest.
>
> thanks.
>
> ben
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One of the network "news" (Prime Time Live, Dateline NBC, etc.) programs did
an expose on Hinn, and there was/is an ongoing "investigation" of Hinn's
ministry by tabloid tv's _INSIDE EDITION_ or _A CURRENT AFFAIR_.
A couple years ago some friends of mine went *gaga* over Benny's books so I
decided to check out Good Morning, Holy Spirit. Not only did I find the
theology repugnant, it seemed to me that whoever wrote it must have been on
quaaludes. I've seen the guy on tv a couple times, and even Jim and Tammy Faye
would be put off by the schmaltzy, cheesy, pseudo-spirituality.
There are several good books which document the origins, theology and
personalities behind the so-called "Faith Movement." One I highly recommend,
is called _A Different Gospel_ by D. R. McConnell. In it he proves that the
Faith movement draws its theology from New Thought Metaphysics and Christian
Science, among others. I am very disappointed (to say the least), that it has
to be tabloid tv that exposes the phony "Christian" gurus. For the sake of
"unity", Christian leaders are afraid to call a spade a spade, and in the
process truth is trampled. I have no doubt that if Paul were around today he
would quickly bounce them out the door, not to mention Jesus' likely reaction
to these modern-day "moneychangers".
Pete
H. Beaudoin
>hi all,
>
>sorry if this was a recently discussed topic. i am reading his book
>"good morning Holy Spirit" and find it interesting so far. i heard
>about some recent allegations against benny hinn and wanted to know
>more about them.
>
>i heard rumors that some of his theology is flaky, and also something about
>his money and healing services... if you know more about this, can
>you please send me email with details? i'll post a followup with all
>the responses if there is sufficient interest.
Brother Hinn was approached by a Christian ministry (I'll try to round up
names in a future post) to reconcile his theology concerning the Holy Spirit.
His teaching was so emphatic about the Holy Spirit as a separate person that
it presented the three persons of the Trinity as three separate gods. The book
as nicely edited before its' next release.
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Paul Hudson Jr
>The videos I saw were made a few years ago, about 1989 I think, in them
>he prophesied certain things about the US, which were to have happened
>by the end of 1992. Specifically he said that the US would be reduced
>to third world status by the unifying of the European economies and the
>great economic advance that would follow. I thought he was dreaming to say
>such things in 89.
Sounds kind of like an audio tape I've heard from Benny Hinn. Except I was
told that this one was from 1990. The tape I heard didn't put any date on
those particular events, but it did mention a revival breaking out on the
east coast and spreading to the west coast. It also mentioned the destoyer
and some disease coming up from South America.
Link Hudson.
Curtis Hrischuk
>> Brother Hinn was approached by a Christian ministry (I'll try to round up
>> names in a future post) to reconcile his theology concerning the Holy Spirit.
>> His teaching was so emphatic about the Holy Spirit as a separate person that
>> it presented the three persons of the Trinity as three separate gods. The book
>> as nicely edited before its' next release.
Holy Spirit", which made these points. I believe they also approached
him on it.
This is documented in thier quarterly magazine (name escapes me).
Curtis
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Paul Hudson Jr
>One of the network "news" (Prime Time Live, Dateline NBC, etc.) programs did
>an expose on Hinn,
Really? I knew they did Tilton, Larry Lea, and some other guy. What did
they say about Benny Hinn?
>and there was/is an ongoing "investigation" of Hinn's
>ministry by tabloid tv's _INSIDE EDITION_ or _A CURRENT AFFAIR_.
It was Inside Edition. They did raise some valid concerns. For example,
Benny Hinn should make 100% sure people are healed before he put them on
the air. Some of the things they did were really low. Like putting a
woman in the audience as a plant to go up on stage and claim she had
polio. I had seen the episode that had her on it, and had thought she looked
fake. Their complaint was that he put her on.
What I would have said if I were Benny Hinn (or at least, think I would have
said, is, "I am only showing clips of the crusades. I don't claim that
everyone up here gets healed. We do our best to put the ones on that
we think are the most sincere." But Benny Hinn took the blame for it.
Another low blow had to deal with a partially deaf woman. They showed
the clip of her from Hinn's show, and said that she claimed to be born
completely deaf, and Hinn put it in his book. Then they showed the doctor
saying, "She was not born completely deaf. She was born severely hard
of hearing." Then the cut it there. They did not mention that she had
been healed of being almost nearly deaf- so deaf that she could not hear
a train whistle blow right next to her.
Actually, I thought he handled it very well, and with love. I would have
been very defensive. He looked terrible on the show. It really looked
bad because, before the interview, one of his staff got into a pushing
match with the guy from inside edition, adn Benny Hinn later apologized.
But, he was very gracious. I saw him on tbn, and the guy from Inside Edition
came on, accepted the first of the documented miracles the tbn guys had
asked people to send in, and said that that would not be the last of it.
Did anyone see the most recent Inside Edition report on Benny Hinn?
What did it say?
>A couple years ago some friends of mine went *gaga* over Benny's books so I
>decided to check out Good Morning, Holy Spirit. Not only did I find the
>theology repugnant, it seemed to me that whoever wrote it must have been on
>quaaludes.
I think Benny Hinn has recanted of some of the theology in the book, and
later editions have been cleaned up. I do think that the book said a
lot of things that needed to be said, for example about intamacy with the
Spirit of God, and hearing His voice.
>I've seen the guy on tv a couple times, and even Jim and Tammy Faye
>would be put off by the schmaltzy, cheesy, pseudo-spirituality.
Don't be so hard on him. He may be theatrical and do things with a
"flare," but that does not mean that he is a fake. I don't know why he
blows on people and they fall down, or why he "throws the annointing"
and thousands in the audience fall down, and to tell the truth, I
sometimes get a little uncomfortable with some of the things I see him
do. But, even if I am uncomfortable with something he does, that does not
mean it is not from God. Even if he does get out of line sometimes,
that does not mean that he does not serve God.
I went to one of his meetings, and the worship was really great. At one point,
he did "throw the annointing" and people fell down by the thousands. He
didn't throw it exactly at our section, but my sister and a somewhat skeptical
friend of hers were sitting behind me, and they both said they fell down.
I think my mother also fell. I fell back and leaned against the seat.
Though I have been raised Pentecostal, I had never fallen out before,
and when that happened, I wanted him to do it again too see if I fell out
or just leaned back against my seat. Of course, making people fall down
doesn't prove if someone is from God. It does indicate, at least to me, that
there is some kind of spiritual power at work.
One could say that it is like some kind of psychosematic thing, but
I don't think so. You could say that some Charismatics in the audience
get so worked up and emotional that they fall down, but I think there were
too many skeptics there for that.
One friend of mine went who is a Charismatic, but was skeptical about all this
massive slain in the Spirit stuff, and throwing the annointing. He was
in the choir, and when Benny Hinn threw the annointing at the choir, he
determined that he was going to stand, and if God wanted him to fall he would
fall. He said it was almost like he was pushed back into his seat. Benny
Hinn "threw the annointing" at them twice, and he fell twice.
Someone told me that Steve Martin went to Tulsa and went to a Benny Hinn
crusade for "research" for his movie. My friend said that he told
Arsenio hall how Benny Hinn would move his hand and hundreds of people
would fall. Arsenio asked what cause that, and Steve Martin said that it
was either the power of suggestion or the power of God. Apparently
Benny Hinn made some kind of impression on him, but not enough to make him
decide not to do "Leap of Faith."
Of course, being slain in the Spirit, as it is called, is not a major
theological issue. Saul fell once before David when the Holy Spirit
came on him. Peter, James, and John, fell on the mount of transfiguration,
and various prophets fell at times. Priests could not stand to minister
in the tmple when the glory came down, and the soldiers fell on their
backs in the garden when Jesus said "I am." But overall, being slain
in the Spirit is not a big issue in the Bible.
>There are several good books which document the origins, theology and
>personalities behind the so-called "Faith Movement." One I highly recommend,
>is called _A Different Gospel_ by D. R. McConnell.
I have heard Benny Hinn say a few "faithy" things, but overall he doesn't
seem to go to extremes with hyperfaith doctrines from what I have seen.
I have seen a few quotes that made me raise an eyebrow, but nothing that
would give me the impression that Benny Hinn is into hyperfaith teaching.
>In it he proves that the
>Faith movement draws its theology from New Thought Metaphysics and Christian
>Science, among others.
I find that hard to believe. I have noticed that some of the extremists in
the faith movement have almost begun to sound like Christian Science, but I
don't think you can say that that is the source for their theology, even
though they may end up with similar theology. One minister said that
almost all heresy is the result of men carrying out partially revealed
truth to its logical conclusion. I think this is very true of some of the
flaky theology in the faith movement.
>I am very disappointed (to say the least), that it has
>to be tabloid tv that exposes the phony "Christian" gurus. For the sake of
>"unity", Christian leaders are afraid to call a spade a spade, and in the
>process truth is trampled. I have no doubt that if Paul were around today he
>would quickly bounce them out the door, not to mention Jesus' likely reaction
>to these modern-day "moneychangers".
Be very careful. You can't see the hearts of these people. Sure, they make
mistakes, and may have some theological problems, but if they are the
Lord's, He will correct them, and may use tabloid television to do so.
Link Hudson.
Phil Miller
: One of the network "news" (Prime Time Live, Dateline NBC, etc.) programs did
: an expose on Hinn, and there was/is an ongoing "investigation" of Hinn's
: ministry by tabloid tv's _INSIDE EDITION_ or _A CURRENT AFFAIR_.
Benny Hinn was on the San Francisco Bay Area's religious tv station,
channel 42, for an in depth interview with religious broadcaster,
Pastor Ron Hauss just this last Tuesday. I didn't catch it all,
but Benny Hinn is acting alot like Jim Bakker did after his
exposure. He claims that he had a dream in which his hand
was stuck in a witches hat, and that he had to pray to God in his
dream for it to release. This was a sign he said, for him to get back
to preaching Jesus and not faith-healing.
: A couple years ago some friends of mine went *gaga* over Benny's books so I
: decided to check out Good Morning, Holy Spirit. Not only did I find the
: theology repugnant, it seemed to me that whoever wrote it must have been on
: quaaludes. I've seen the guy on tv a couple times, and even Jim and Tammy Faye
: would be put off by the schmaltzy, cheesy, pseudo-spirituality.
My personal opinion is that Brother Hinn is a massive phony.
In his interview with Ron Hauss, he was being treated like a slow
child who was just beginning to understand basic Christianity.
: There are several good books which document the origins, theology and
: personalities behind the so-called "Faith Movement." One I highly recommend,
: is called _A Different Gospel_ by D. R. McConnell. In it he proves that the
: Faith movement draws its theology from New Thought Metaphysics and Christian
: Science, among others. I am very disappointed (to say the least), that it has
: to be tabloid tv that exposes the phony "Christian" gurus. For the sake of
: "unity", Christian leaders are afraid to call a spade a spade, and in the
: process truth is trampled. I have no doubt that if Paul were around today he
: would quickly bounce them out the door, not to mention Jesus' likely reaction
: to these modern-day "moneychangers".
Yes, in fact, the great Christian broadcaster, Ron Hauss, during his
interview with Benny Hinn, kept bending over backwards so much to
make just accountabilities for Benny's confessions that I felt it
was given all of Christian television a real black eye.
Hinn said he would be on the 700Club soon, too. That should be a real
hootenanny.
philll
Steven Timm
Thomas Nelson publishing. He described this controversy (which eventually
got him fired) in the current issue of Cornerstone Magazine. Evidently
the book was approved over his protest, and yet in promoting the book
they used his name and prestige in support of it.
Steve Timm
Paul Hudson Jr
his teaching in regard to faith. I heard him say something on tv
about how there were extremes and problems with some faith teaching
(something that the typical faith types almost never do.) Does anyone
know any further details.
Link Hudson.
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r...@akgua.att.com
if Mr/Ms X acts in a certain way that I/we consider immature,
then their Christianity is suspect.
Remember that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are given (or were
given depending on your theology) for service to the Body of
Christ. The Fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5) are a result of a
believer becoming spiritually mature. It is ideal when they
come together, but it is not required...but desired!
Exhibit A for my case is the Corinthian church. Paul said that in
I Cor 1 that they "come behind in no gift." Remember these folks
were bench jumpin', dead raisin', tongue talkin', snake handlin' :-),
holy rollers, but with the spiritual maturity of 3 year olds.
Alas, we still have/are Corinthians today.
Bobby - akgua!rjb