role of women in the catholic church
Joe Giardina
Since the Second Vatican Council Women have reached positions of
enormous power and influence in the Catholic Church. They may not be able
to say Mass, but they completely control the entire Catholic Network of
Hospitals as well as the Catholic Education System.These are not small
institutions. Most Directors of Religious Education are women as well as
liturgists and church social workers. Many if not most of Chancery
Department heads are women as well as chancery workers. Women run parish
centers,predominate as catholic school teachers, and in many cases
administer the rectories.
It should also be pointed out that during this time, more people
have left the Church, more Catholic Churches and Schools have been
closed, most Catholic colleges are not,young catholics know little or
nothing about the church or the sacraments. Most Catholics do not believe
in the true presence in the Eucharist, nor do they accept what where
basic Church Tenets such as the Resurection or Virgin Birth.90% use
contraception and a vast majority accept abortion.
Go figure. Joe
Martha Filipic Carroll
I hope you are kidding. Are you?
First, women's roles in the church are much greater than they were before,
but being cut off from the priesthood means more than simply "not being
able to say Mass." It removes them from the hierarchy of the church.
Second, you imply that many ills in today's church are due to the fact
that women are more active and have more influence in the church. But in
my experience, Catholics schools have closed because of a lack of money.
Church tenets are questioned because questioning any kind of authority is
much more prevalent today than in years past. People have left the church
because priests seemed unresponsive to their concerns.
You make a weak argument, a classic mistake: A occurred. B occurred.
Therefore, A caused B. You ignore a multitude of other factors that are
more likely to cause B.
Martha
In article <4ea11o$m...@heidelberg.rutgers.edu>, Joe Giardina
Randal Lee Mandock
>because priests seemed unresponsive to their concerns.
Catholics have left the Church in droves because of the
infiltration of the Modernism condemned by Pius X and
because of the scourge of liberation theology in the
West.
Joe's observations are right on target.
Martha Filipic Carroll
the Catholic Church:
>more people
>have left the Church, more Catholic Churches and Schools have been
>closed, most Catholic colleges are not,young catholics know little or
>nothing about the church or the sacraments. Most Catholics do not believe
>in the true presence in the Eucharist, nor do they accept what where
>basic Church Tenets such as the Resurection or Virgin Birth.90% use
>contraception and a vast majority accept abortion.
Martha Filipic Carroll <carro...@osu.edu> responded in part:
> >People have left the church
> >because priests seemed unresponsive to their concerns.
>
To which Randal Lee Mandock said:
> Catholics have left the Church in droves because of the
> infiltration of the Modernism condemned by Pius X and
> because of the scourge of liberation theology in the
> West.
>
> Joe's observations are right on target.
No, Randal. Modernism may have caused many people to leave the church, but
it also is drawing many people "in droves" to join it. To blame women's
leadership roles in the church -- and that alone -- for any ills the
church is suffering -- well, it doesn't even come close to the target.
Randal Lee Mandock
I missed the connection to women in what you have quoted above.
My response was to your opinion about why people had been leaving
the Catholic Church since the close of Vatican II. Joe recounted
fundamental facts that have been substantiated by various polls
taken in the U.S.
Are you denying the observations made by Joe that I acknowledged
above? Seems to me that I was stating my understanding of why Pat
Robertson claims millions of converts from formerly Catholic Central
and South America and from within the U.S. during the 1980's who left
the Catholic faith for his group. Maybe he is making it up, but
they had to have gone somewhere.
I still cannot find even a hint of a reference to women in
my response. Please explain what you are talking about.
Concerning your allegation that heresy is drawing people to
the Catholic Church, this seems to be something of a contradiction.
Truth draws to truth. Falsehood rejects from truth. But perhaps
you are saying that after choking on the dryness of Modernism,
people are finding rivers of living water in the Church. With this
I will not argue.
I have a feeling that you and I are talking about different
observations here. You evidently think that I was affirming
a notion that women in leadership positions results in Catholics
leaving the Church. I submit that this is coincidental at best.
But it is not even that, since women have been leading convents,
schools, wards in hospitals, advising popes, fighting wars,
name it, for centuries.
Perhaps you have an axe to grind, but please do not grind it on
a misunderstanding.
Randal
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John Wolf
know they should speak out in public in the church, but I dont think
they should be a pastor or over a man's authority. We went over this in
church one day.
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