Magic Flute
EPRand
Just saw The Magic Flute by Ingmar Bergman (and Mozart, of course). I enjoyed
immensely, and I think most of you would, too. I would think it would be
completely fascinating to any person familiar with Masonic symbolism.
I'm going to do a little research about it. I'll keep the NG informed. If
anyone has any good ideas to offer regarding the movie, the director, the
writer, etc, please post or send me an email. Thanks.
Ellen
JerryCam22
>Just saw The Magic Flute by Ingmar Bergman (and Mozart, of course). I enjoyed
>immensely, and I think most of you would, too. I would think it would be
>completely fascinating to any person familiar with Masonic symbolism.
I believe that Amadeus has a series of scenes where Mozart is invited to join
the Masons, given a 'preview' (against the secrecy vows), and goes from there
to write The Magic Flute. I think that there may be some basis for this
fictional account, but have no clue as to where. If you haven't seen Amadeus
yet I would highly recommend it - I saw the Broadway version, but expect the
film to be comparable.
Jerry
Sar Draconis
I have seen both the film and the Broadway version, and as I recall, the
Masonic references which appear in the Broadway version are deleted from
the film.
ldean
>
> Hi, Ellen,
> >Just saw The Magic Flute by Ingmar Bergman (and Mozart, of course). I enjoyed
> >immensely, and I think most of you would, too. I would think it would be
> >completely fascinating to any person familiar with Masonic symbolism.
>
> I believe that Amadeus has a series of scenes where Mozart is invited to join
> the Masons, given a 'preview' (against the secrecy vows), and goes from there
> to write The Magic Flute. I think that there may be some basis for this
> fictional account, but have no clue as to where. If you haven't seen Amadeus
> yet I would highly recommend it - I saw the Broadway version, but expect the
> film to be comparable.
>
> Jerry
Mozart was a Mason. I saw a special about Mozart at the time the movie
came out and although he was buried in a mass grave without his head, a
memorial in the form of a broken column was erected to him. The narrator
of the piece had no idea as to why a broken column was used. :-)
Be well,
T L Dean, PM
--
I owe much.
I have nothing.
I give the rest to the poor.
CHarris141
or
Clark, the one who died early has a broken column above his grave.
Chris Harris
McDonald Lodge # 324 AF & AM (Junior Warden)
Independence, Missouri
York Rite, York Rite College, 32=B0 AASR (SJ), Knight of Jericho - Order =
of True
Kindred, Shriner, Hillbilly Clan # 124
homepage: http://members.aol.com/CHarris141/mason.html
jp_s...@my-dejanews.com
pa...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> JerryCam22 wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Ellen,
> > >Just saw The Magic Flute by Ingmar Bergman (and Mozart, of course). I
enjoyed
> > >immensely, and I think most of you would, too. I would think it would be
> > >completely fascinating to any person familiar with Masonic symbolism.
> >
> > I believe that Amadeus has a series of scenes where Mozart is invited to
join
> > the Masons, given a 'preview' (against the secrecy vows), and goes from
there
> > to write The Magic Flute. I think that there may be some basis for this
> > fictional account, but have no clue as to where. If you haven't seen Amadeus
> > yet I would highly recommend it - I saw the Broadway version, but expect the
> > film to be comparable.
> >
> > Jerry
>
> Masonic references which appear in the Broadway version are deleted from
> the film.
You're quite right. Both Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Emanuel Schikaneder (the
author of the libreto) were Freemasons, but there are absolutely no
references to that in the movie. In fact Schikaneder is presented as a simple
bohemian with very little ambitions other than fun, drinking and women. If
you read the libreto you'll see lot's of references to the initiation ritual
and to masonic symbols. A few years ago (in 1989) a brother from my lodge
published an article were he compared the rituals with the libretto from "Die
Zauberflote". Unfortunately this article is only available in portuguese.
Nevertheless, you might want to check it here:
http://members.tripod.com/~gremio_fenix/trabalhos/trab_reb020589.html
Sincerely and Fraternally,
Joao Pedro
--
R.'. L.'. Fenix, #493, Grande Oriente Lusitano
http://gremio-fenix.home.ml.org/
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Ross Ebeling
research is a little careless, shall we say.
Not the least of which is the propagation of the myth about Mozart being
buried in a pauper's grave. He was buried under some "austerity program"
guidelines introduced by the Austrian Emporer, it seems. There was an
epidemic in progress at the time, as well.
This in no way detracts from some of the delightful scenes where Salieri
discovers the depths of Mozart's genius. Watch for the party where Mozart is
called on the play a harpsichord as a forfeit in a parlour game.
Ross Ebeling
JerryCam22 wrote in message <36972713...@nntp.bestweb.net>...
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<jerry...@aol.com> writes
>Hi, Ellen,
>>Just saw The Magic Flute by Ingmar Bergman (and Mozart, of course). I enjoyed
>>immensely, and I think most of you would, too. I would think it would be
>>completely fascinating to any person familiar with Masonic symbolism.
>
>I believe that Amadeus has a series of scenes where Mozart is invited to join
>the Masons, given a 'preview' (against the secrecy vows), and goes from there
>to write The Magic Flute. I think that there may be some basis for this
>fictional account, but have no clue as to where. If you haven't seen Amadeus
>yet I would highly recommend it - I saw the Broadway version, but expect the
>film to be comparable.
>
>Jerry
>
The film is good, but the stage production is better - I don't remember
any invitation for him to join freemasonry, though!
D.Smith
David Fahey
that Meriwether Lewis was a Freemason. Nonetheless, a quick check of
Ambrose's "Undaunted Courage" revealed Chris is correct in his message
(below) regarding Meriwether Lewis (of Lewis and Clark fame) being a Mason.
Here is the information I have, but I would ask that anyone with more
information please e-mail me because I portray a character of exactly this
period who is a Mason and who would probably have met known Lewis.
Lewis petitioned to join Virtue Lodge #44, Albemarle (Virginia?) January
1797. The possible date is January 28, but Ambrose is apparently not a
Mason and thus confuses terminology saying that Lewis was asked to join.
Lewis was raised on April 3, 1797. In 1808 (several years after his return
from the expedition with the Corps of Discovery), he joined with other
Masons in forming a lodge (Ambrose provides no name) in St. Louis, MO and
was its first Master.
Again, if anyone has further information, please reply. It will greatly
help me in developing my historic persona.
David Fahey
JD, Stella #440, Iowa
CHarris141 wrote in message <369ba825...@nntp.bestweb.net>...
CHarris141
it is of note that Lewis and Thomas Jefferson were both from Abamarle Cou=
nty,
VA. That is the same county that my wife's family (Seamands) comes from =
and
they lived there at the same time as the two mentioned above.
Chris Harris
McDonald Lodge # 324 AF & AM (Junior Warden)
Independence, Missouri
York Rite, York Rite College, 32=B0 AASR (SJ), Order of True Kindred,
homepage: http://members.aol.com/CHarris141/mason.html
Copyright 1999
Bill Maddox
The Book 10000 freemasons has about a 3/4 page write up on Meriwether Lewis.
If you do not have access to the book, I can attempt to scan and e-mail to you.
Sincerely & Fraternally - Bill Maddox
David Fahey wrote:
> I am a historical reenactor and Mason and was surprised by Chris's comment
> that Meriwether Lewis was a Freemason. Nonetheless, a quick check of
> Ambrose's "Undaunted Courage" revealed Chris is correct in his message
> (below) regarding Meriwether Lewis (of Lewis and Clark fame) being a Mason.
> Here is the information I have, but I would ask that anyone with more
> information please e-mail me because I portray a character of exactly this
> period who is a Mason and who would probably have met known Lewis.
>
> Lewis petitioned to join Virtue Lodge #44, Albemarle (Virginia?) January
> 1797. The possible date is January 28, but Ambrose is apparently not a
> Mason and thus confuses terminology saying that Lewis was asked to join.
> Lewis was raised on April 3, 1797. In 1808 (several years after his return
> from the expedition with the Corps of Discovery), he joined with other
> Masons in forming a lodge (Ambrose provides no name) in St. Louis, MO and
> was its first Master.
>
> Again, if anyone has further information, please reply. It will greatly
> help me in developing my historic persona.
>
> David Fahey
> JD, Stella #440, Iowa
>
> CHarris141 wrote in message <369ba825...@nntp.bestweb.net>...
> >Several other noteable Masons have broken columns, I believe Either Lewis=
> > or
> >Clark, the one who died early has a broken column above his grave.
> >
> >
> >Chris Harris
> >McDonald Lodge # 324 AF & AM (Junior Warden)
> >Independence, Missouri
Tomas Ball
Louis
after their trek.
Tom Ball
San Juan 1173
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to
go through the history of the writing and "try" to give the hidden meanings
behind the opera. If you wish me to get an exact title and further info
please
reply by e-mail.
EPRand
$14.95). Will do short summary when I finish.
Ellen