Just saw The Magic Flute by Ingmar Bergman (and Mozart, of course). I enjoyed immensely, and I think most of you would, too. I would think it would be completely fascinating to any person familiar with Masonic symbolism.
I'm going to do a little research about it. I'll keep the NG informed. If anyone has any good ideas to offer regarding the movie, the director, the writer, etc, please post or send me an email. Thanks.
>Just saw The Magic Flute by Ingmar Bergman (and Mozart, of course). I enjoyed >immensely, and I think most of you would, too. I would think it would be >completely fascinating to any person familiar with Masonic symbolism.
I believe that Amadeus has a series of scenes where Mozart is invited to join the Masons, given a 'preview' (against the secrecy vows), and goes from there to write The Magic Flute. I think that there may be some basis for this fictional account, but have no clue as to where. If you haven't seen Amadeus yet I would highly recommend it - I saw the Broadway version, but expect the film to be comparable.
> Hi, Ellen, > >Just saw The Magic Flute by Ingmar Bergman (and Mozart, of course). I enjoyed > >immensely, and I think most of you would, too. I would think it would be > >completely fascinating to any person familiar with Masonic symbolism.
> I believe that Amadeus has a series of scenes where Mozart is invited to join > the Masons, given a 'preview' (against the secrecy vows), and goes from there > to write The Magic Flute. I think that there may be some basis for this > fictional account, but have no clue as to where. If you haven't seen Amadeus > yet I would highly recommend it - I saw the Broadway version, but expect the > film to be comparable.
> Jerry
I have seen both the film and the Broadway version, and as I recall, the Masonic references which appear in the Broadway version are deleted from the film.
> Hi, Ellen, > >Just saw The Magic Flute by Ingmar Bergman (and Mozart, of course). I enjoyed > >immensely, and I think most of you would, too. I would think it would be > >completely fascinating to any person familiar with Masonic symbolism.
> I believe that Amadeus has a series of scenes where Mozart is invited to join > the Masons, given a 'preview' (against the secrecy vows), and goes from there > to write The Magic Flute. I think that there may be some basis for this > fictional account, but have no clue as to where. If you haven't seen Amadeus > yet I would highly recommend it - I saw the Broadway version, but expect the > film to be comparable.
> Jerry
Mozart was a Mason. I saw a special about Mozart at the time the movie came out and although he was buried in a mass grave without his head, a memorial in the form of a broken column was erected to him. The narrator of the piece had no idea as to why a broken column was used. :-)
Be well, T L Dean, PM -- I owe much. I have nothing. I give the rest to the poor.
Several other noteable Masons have broken columns, I believe Either Lewis= or Clark, the one who died early has a broken column above his grave.
Chris Harris McDonald Lodge # 324 AF & AM (Junior Warden) Independence, Missouri York Rite, York Rite College, 32=B0 AASR (SJ), Knight of Jericho - Order = of True Kindred, Shriner, Hillbilly Clan # 124 homepage: http://members.aol.com/CHarris141/mason.html
> > Hi, Ellen, > > >Just saw The Magic Flute by Ingmar Bergman (and Mozart, of course). I enjoyed > > >immensely, and I think most of you would, too. I would think it would be > > >completely fascinating to any person familiar with Masonic symbolism.
> > I believe that Amadeus has a series of scenes where Mozart is invited to join > > the Masons, given a 'preview' (against the secrecy vows), and goes from there > > to write The Magic Flute. I think that there may be some basis for this > > fictional account, but have no clue as to where. If you haven't seen Amadeus > > yet I would highly recommend it - I saw the Broadway version, but expect the > > film to be comparable.
> > Jerry
> I have seen both the film and the Broadway version, and as I recall, the > Masonic references which appear in the Broadway version are deleted from > the film.
You're quite right. Both Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Emanuel Schikaneder (the author of the libreto) were Freemasons, but there are absolutely no references to that in the movie. In fact Schikaneder is presented as a simple bohemian with very little ambitions other than fun, drinking and women. If you read the libreto you'll see lot's of references to the initiation ritual and to masonic symbols. A few years ago (in 1989) a brother from my lodge published an article were he compared the rituals with the libretto from "Die Zauberflote". Unfortunately this article is only available in portuguese. Nevertheless, you might want to check it here: http://members.tripod.com/~gremio_fenix/trabalhos/trab_reb020589.html Sincerely and Fraternally,
"Amadeus" is a treat for people who enjoy the music of the period, but the research is a little careless, shall we say.
Not the least of which is the propagation of the myth about Mozart being buried in a pauper's grave. He was buried under some "austerity program" guidelines introduced by the Austrian Emporer, it seems. There was an epidemic in progress at the time, as well.
This in no way detracts from some of the delightful scenes where Salieri discovers the depths of Mozart's genius. Watch for the party where Mozart is called on the play a harpsichord as a forfeit in a parlour game.
JerryCam22 wrote in message <36972713.1088...@nntp.bestweb.net>... >Hi, Ellen, >>Just saw The Magic Flute by Ingmar Bergman (and Mozart, of course). I enjoyed >>immensely, and I think most of you would, too. I would think it would be >>completely fascinating to any person familiar with Masonic symbolism.
>I believe that Amadeus has a series of scenes where Mozart is invited to join >the Masons, given a 'preview' (against the secrecy vows), and goes from there >to write The Magic Flute. I think that there may be some basis for this >fictional account, but have no clue as to where. If you haven't seen Amadeus >yet I would highly recommend it - I saw the Broadway version, but expect the >film to be comparable.
In article <36972713.1088...@nntp.bestweb.net>, JerryCam22 <jerryca...@aol.com> writes
>Hi, Ellen, >>Just saw The Magic Flute by Ingmar Bergman (and Mozart, of course). I enjoyed >>immensely, and I think most of you would, too. I would think it would be >>completely fascinating to any person familiar with Masonic symbolism.
>I believe that Amadeus has a series of scenes where Mozart is invited to join >the Masons, given a 'preview' (against the secrecy vows), and goes from there >to write The Magic Flute. I think that there may be some basis for this >fictional account, but have no clue as to where. If you haven't seen Amadeus >yet I would highly recommend it - I saw the Broadway version, but expect the >film to be comparable.
>Jerry
The film is good, but the stage production is better - I don't remember any invitation for him to join freemasonry, though! D.Smith
I am a historical reenactor and Mason and was surprised by Chris's comment that Meriwether Lewis was a Freemason. Nonetheless, a quick check of Ambrose's "Undaunted Courage" revealed Chris is correct in his message (below) regarding Meriwether Lewis (of Lewis and Clark fame) being a Mason. Here is the information I have, but I would ask that anyone with more information please e-mail me because I portray a character of exactly this period who is a Mason and who would probably have met known Lewis.
Lewis petitioned to join Virtue Lodge #44, Albemarle (Virginia?) January 1797. The possible date is January 28, but Ambrose is apparently not a Mason and thus confuses terminology saying that Lewis was asked to join. Lewis was raised on April 3, 1797. In 1808 (several years after his return from the expedition with the Corps of Discovery), he joined with other Masons in forming a lodge (Ambrose provides no name) in St. Louis, MO and was its first Master.
Again, if anyone has further information, please reply. It will greatly help me in developing my historic persona.
CHarris141 wrote in message <369ba825.2965...@nntp.bestweb.net>... >Several other noteable Masons have broken columns, I believe Either Lewis= > or >Clark, the one who died early has a broken column above his grave.
>Chris Harris >McDonald Lodge # 324 AF & AM (Junior Warden) >Independence, Missouri >York Rite, York Rite College, 32=B0 AASR (SJ), Knight of Jericho - Order = >of True >Kindred, Shriner, Hillbilly Clan # 124 >homepage: http://members.aol.com/CHarris141/mason.html
it is of note that Lewis and Thomas Jefferson were both from Abamarle Cou= nty, VA. That is the same county that my wife's family (Seamands) comes from = and they lived there at the same time as the two mentioned above.
Chris Harris McDonald Lodge # 324 AF & AM (Junior Warden) Independence, Missouri York Rite, York Rite College, 32=B0 AASR (SJ), Order of True Kindred, homepage: http://members.aol.com/CHarris141/mason.html Copyright 1999
The Book 10000 freemasons has about a 3/4 page write up on Meriwether Lewis. If you do not have access to the book, I can attempt to scan and e-mail to you.
David Fahey wrote: > I am a historical reenactor and Mason and was surprised by Chris's comment > that Meriwether Lewis was a Freemason. Nonetheless, a quick check of > Ambrose's "Undaunted Courage" revealed Chris is correct in his message > (below) regarding Meriwether Lewis (of Lewis and Clark fame) being a Mason. > Here is the information I have, but I would ask that anyone with more > information please e-mail me because I portray a character of exactly this > period who is a Mason and who would probably have met known Lewis.
> Lewis petitioned to join Virtue Lodge #44, Albemarle (Virginia?) January > 1797. The possible date is January 28, but Ambrose is apparently not a > Mason and thus confuses terminology saying that Lewis was asked to join. > Lewis was raised on April 3, 1797. In 1808 (several years after his return > from the expedition with the Corps of Discovery), he joined with other > Masons in forming a lodge (Ambrose provides no name) in St. Louis, MO and > was its first Master.
> Again, if anyone has further information, please reply. It will greatly > help me in developing my historic persona.
> David Fahey > JD, Stella #440, Iowa
> CHarris141 wrote in message <369ba825.2965...@nntp.bestweb.net>... > >Several other noteable Masons have broken columns, I believe Either Lewis= > > or > >Clark, the one who died early has a broken column above his grave.
> >Chris Harris > >McDonald Lodge # 324 AF & AM (Junior Warden) > >Independence, Missouri > >York Rite, York Rite College, 32=B0 AASR (SJ), Knight of Jericho - Order = > >of True > >Kindred, Shriner, Hillbilly Clan # 124 > >homepage: http://members.aol.com/CHarris141/mason.html
There is a book I believe called "The magic Flute unveiled" which is suppose to go through the history of the writing and "try" to give the hidden meanings behind the opera. If you wish me to get an exact title and further info please reply by e-mail.
