*these* cookies will persist until...
Mike Jankulak
*Finally*, the Girl Guide cookies are going on sale,
starting Thursday! [I wonder if they've changed the
time of year of the sale -- I certainly don't recall
that the little lasses had to freeze themselves for
their cause, hocking cookies outside of supermarkets
in the middle of the *winter*. Hmmm.]
Anyhow, this year's selection:
* Reduced Fat Apple Cinnamon (a new cookie shaped
like an apple and sprinkled with cinnamon)
* Lemon Drops (a new cookie with creamy lemon chips)
* Thin Mints (thin wafer with smooth chocolate coating)
* Do-si-dos (Oatmeal PEANUT BUTTER cremes)
* Tagalongs (PEANUT BUTTER patties)
* Trefoils (shortbread cookies)
* Striped Chocolate Chip (real chocolate with pecans)
* Samoas (vanilla, caramel, cocoa and coconut rings)
--
"No smell, no stain. And I think Mike did it."
-- Kathryn Burlingham
Josh Simon
> ....approximately noon, Friday.
That long? Mine rarely make it all the way home. (One
reason why I don't buy 'em any more. <Sigh>.)
> *Finally*, the Girl Guide cookies are going on sale,
> starting Thursday!
Note: United Statesians usually refer to them as Girl Scout
cookies, mainly because we refer to the organization of
protohuman females as Girl Scouts (not Guides) in this country.
(See, for example, the exchange between Wednesday Addams and
the blonde ditz in *Addams Family Values*:
Blonde: Is your lemonade made with real lemons?
Wedne.: Are your girl scout cookies made with real girl scouts?
)
> [I wonder if they've changed the
> time of year of the sale -- I certainly don't recall
> that the little lasses had to freeze themselves for
> their cause, hocking cookies outside of supermarkets
> in the middle of the *winter*. Hmmm.]
I do.
> Samoas (vanilla, caramel, cocoa and coconut rings)
These were always my favorites.
-j
--
= Josh Simon These opinions may not be my employers'. =
= jss at clock.org Home page: http://www.clock.org/~jss/ =
"After our 15 minutes of fame, can we have 15 minutes of
'You Light up My Life'?" -- Pinky
Gromit
Jankulak) wrote:
> ....approximately noon, Friday.
>
> *Finally*, the Girl Guide cookies are going on sale,
::ahem::. What country are you in now, hon?
Tim Wilson
> * Thin Mints (thin wafer with smooth chocolate coating)
^^^^^^^^^^
Don't you mean "wafer thin", Mr. Creosote?
--
Tim Wilson http://www.ee.memphis.edu/~tim/ mailto:tawi...@memphis.edu
Jake Coughlin
> * Samoas (vanilla, caramel, cocoa and coconut rings)
i hope that whoever invented these is sitting on the
right-hand side of God.
--Jake Coughlin (ja...@panix.com)--
Gwendolyn Alden Dean
On 19 Jan 1999, Josh Simon wrote:
> (See, for example, the exchange between Wednesday Addams and
> the blonde ditz in *Addams Family Values*:
I saw a great house last night which was supposedly the one used in the
Addams Family tv series. Is that true, Melinda?
Gwendolyn
(To send an email message,
please use gd...@cornell.edu.)
Misha MCM
In article <pqqiue3...@panix3.panix.com>, Jake Coughlin
<ja...@panix3.panix.com> writes:
>jank...@panix.com (Mike Jankulak) writes:
>> * Samoas (vanilla, caramel, cocoa and coconut rings)
>
>i hope that whoever invented these is sitting on the
>right-hand side of God.
The death penalty seems rather harsh.
--Misha
Misha's Fiction Archive: http://members.aol.com/mishamcm
"Why would she stab her boyfriend through the ear? The magic was gone?"
Clayton Colwell
: i hope that whoever invented these is sitting on the
: right-hand side of God.
Just how much room does Jesus have in his lap, anyway?
(And what's the point of sitting on the RHS of God if
you're #58,264,195 down the line? By the time you get
passed the cornbread, God's on next month's breakfast already.)
****** Clay Colwell (aka StealthSmurf) ********** er...@bga.com ******
* "In the future, we will recognize software crashes as technologically *
* mandated ergonomic rest breaks - and we will pay extra for them." *
* -- Crazy Uncle Joe Hannibal *
Josh Simon
>> i hope that whoever invented these is sitting on the
>> right-hand side of God.
Clayton Colwell <er...@bga.com> wrote:
> Just how much room does Jesus have in his lap, anyway?
No nno no. Jake said "the right-hand side of God," not of God's
[alleged] offspring. God's either in Switzerland or California,
I'm not sure which at the moment.
As to whether or not God would get fed up (so to speak) with the
creator of Samoas (the coconut-chocolate-cookie thingy, not the
islands) on her right-hand side, well, I have no official comment.
Melinda Shore
Gwendolyn Alden Dean <gd...@emory.edu> wrote:
>I saw a great house last night which was supposedly the one used in the
>Addams Family tv series. Is that true, Melinda?
No. It's called the "Addams Family House" because nobody
can remember that it's actually the Sprague House. It
was busted up into nasty little apartments at one point
(a friend [obmotss] lived in the tower), but I think it's
been turned back into a single family home.
--
Melinda Shore - Cayuga Whine Trail - sh...@panix.com
If you send me harassing email, I'll probably post it
Elizabeth Zwicky
Josh Simon <j...@cesium.clock.org> wrote:
>No nno no. Jake said "the right-hand side of God," not of God's
>[alleged] offspring. God's either in Switzerland or California,
>I'm not sure which at the moment.
I am in California, at least in body. In spirit, I am of course
omnipresent. At the moment, I can assure you that no inventor of Girl
Scout cookies is seated at my right hand; by coincidence, there is
only one person to my right, my colleague Simon. (There is nobody to
my immediate left, although I could happily reserve that position for
the person who mailed me the virus-infected 85 page request for bid on
a clearly crazy project -- yes, clients frequently want a state-of-the
art system created, integrated with their existing systems, and
installed in a month, guaranteed to suit all their needs for 2 years
and never to go down even for maintenance, but generally they have
been introduced to reality before we get to answering the request for
bid -- and informed me that I had volunteered to address the client's
security needs, which are expressed as a desire to have "a complete
solution to provide network and application secure environment". For
an unspecified application plugging into an unspecified network, of
course.)
Unfortunately, the closest I can do to an obMotss is an adorable picture
of Arnold and Jacques on my desk. Jacques does think Simon is gay, but
Jacques' gaydar is extremely predictable; he thinks all men he likes are
gay.
Elizabeth
certified loinfruit
Gwendolyn Alden Dean
> Gwendolyn Alden Dean <gd...@emory.edu> wrote:
> >I saw a great house last night which was supposedly the one used in the
> >Addams Family tv series. Is that true, Melinda?
> No. It's called the "Addams Family House" because nobody
> can remember that it's actually the Sprague House. It
> was busted up into nasty little apartments at one point
> (a friend [obmotss] lived in the tower), but I think it's
> been turned back into a single family home.
I was suspicious but it *is* a terrific house.
Richard Jasper
:> * Thin Mints (thin wafer with smooth chocolate coating)
: ^^^^^^^^^^
: Don't you mean "wafer thin", Mr. Creosote?
Either works, doesn't it?
-- This cookie, covered with a smooth chocolate coating, is wafer thin.
-- This cookie is a thin wafer with smooth chocolate coating.
And I'm not getting the Creosote connection...
-- rpj
whose hometown is a major creosote manufacturing center
Robert S. Coren
>>> i hope that whoever invented these is sitting on the
>>> right-hand side of God.
>
>Clayton Colwell <er...@bga.com> wrote:
>> Just how much room does Jesus have in his lap, anyway?
>
>[alleged] offspring. God's either in Switzerland or California,
>I'm not sure which at the moment.
My guess is that Clay was referring to the tradition (which I'm
acquainted with through innumerable settings of the Latin text of the
Nicaean Creed) whereby Jesus sits at the right hand of God. Which I
suppose he might be, if she's facing north-by-northwest, he's sitting
down, and you don't want to be too restrictive in your definition of
proximity.
--
-------Robert Coren (co...@spdcc.com)-------------------------
"Similar economies might be effected in nature if lions could be
converted to vegetarianism." -- Donald Tovey [on the possibility of
peace between the followers of Brahms and Wagner/Liszt]
Daniel Chase Edmonds
: Tim Wilson <t...@banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu> wrote:
: : jank...@panix.com (Mike Jankulak) writes:
:
: :> * Thin Mints (thin wafer with smooth chocolate coating)
: : ^^^^^^^^^^
: : Don't you mean "wafer thin", Mr. Creosote?
:
: Either works, doesn't it?
Not if you get the Creosote connection.
: And I'm not getting the Creosote connection...
Monty Python
Richard Jasper
: : Either works, doesn't it?
: Not if you get the Creosote connection.
I didn't but it was explained to me.
Although THAT was an after dinner mint, right?
Orders of magnitude (whatever those are) different, thin mint cookies and
after dinner mints...
: : And I'm not getting the Creosote connection...
: Monty Python
Which, along with most other forms of British humor (Ab Fab being a
notable exception), I tend find impenetrable...
-- rpj
Clayton Colwell
: Tim Wilson <t...@banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu> wrote:
: : jank...@panix.com (Mike Jankulak) writes:
: :> * Thin Mints (thin wafer with smooth chocolate coating)
: : ^^^^^^^^^^
: : Don't you mean "wafer thin", Mr. Creosote?
: Either works, doesn't it?
Not in this contextcontextcontext.
: And I'm not getting the Creosote connection...
Think vomit buckets and exploding consumers.
Gwendolyn Alden Dean
> The actual "Addams Family" House is the back of College Hall
> at the University of Pennsylvania, which Charles Addams
> attended.
See, soc.motss knows all.
Richard Jasper
Organization: Emory University
Gwendolyn Alden Dean <gd...@emory.edu> wrote:
: See, soc.motss knows all.
It's scary.
Ooky, even.
-- rpj
Gromit
(Jess Anderson) wrote:
> Mike Jankulak:
>
> >*Finally*, the Girl Guide cookies are going on sale,
> >starting Thursday! [I wonder if they've changed the
> >time of year of the sale -- I certainly don't recall
> >that the little lasses had to freeze themselves for
> >their cause, hocking cookies outside of supermarkets
> >in the middle of the *winter*. Hmmm.]
>
> Language query: don't we say "Girl Scouts" (rather than Guides)
> in the States? I dunno if this next is a usage or a spelling
> item: "hocking" is borrowing money: "I'm in hock up to the
> eyeballs"; "hawking" is selling: "Street vendors there hawk
> *everything* and then some".
Where I come from, "hocking" is something that you do "up"
to bring up big thick wads of spit and mucus. "Lungers"
was a common descriptive term for the result.
Mike Jankulak
>::ahem::. What country are you in now, hon?
I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO THE EVIL MURRIKEN OOBERCULTURE!
Gromit
Jankulak) wrote:
> Gromit <g...@panix.com> wrote:
> >::ahem::. What country are you in now, hon?
>
> I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO THE EVIL MURRIKEN OOBERCULTURE!
I will NOT give in to the urge to tell the canada/yogurt joke.
It's not overculture, it's the correct and legal name for
an organization. Using the name of a similar organization
in your home country is just _wrong_.
Did you call them biscuits in Canada? Girl Guide Biscuits?
Kenneth Ashton Callicott
Mike Jankulak <jank...@panix.com> wrote:
>Gromit <g...@panix.com> wrote:
>>::ahem::. What country are you in now, hon?
>
>I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO THE EVIL MURRIKEN OOBERCULTURE!
You left out the "G".
Ken.
--
Ken Callicott Hopkins Marine Station kac...@leland.stanford.edu
"You could be friends with straight people, he thought, the way you
could be friends with other species, dogs or cats."
--Mark Merlis, "An Arrow's Flight"
Brian Vogel
} In article <glp-190199...@glp.dialup.access.net>, g...@panix.com
} (Gromit) wrote:
} - Where I come from, "hocking" is something that you do "up"
} - to bring up big thick wads of spit and mucus. "Lungers"
} - was a common descriptive term for the result.
} Horking. Up. Loogies.
No, no, *no*!: "Hocking up loogies." During my childhood days
we had an unfortunate neighbor who did this as a morning ritual hunched
over the railing of his side porch. We dubbed him "Mr. Hock n' Spit".
It's your cat (if you have one), my cat, any cat that, depending
on tense:
"Might hork up hairballs."
"Is horking up a hairball."
"Horked up a hairball."
Thank you for your attention.
Brian
Gromit
jo...@clueby4.org (Joon) wrote:
> In article <glp-190199...@glp.dialup.access.net>, g...@panix.com
> (Gromit) wrote:
>
> - Where I come from, "hocking" is something that you do "up"
> - to bring up big thick wads of spit and mucus. "Lungers"
> - was a common descriptive term for the result.
>
> Horking. Up. Loogies.
>
> </Dana Point dialect>
Seriously? It varied that much from Corona del Mar to Dana
Point (a 15 minute drive, with no traffic)?
> I call loogies clams now, which squicks some people out big time.
I used to refer to raw oysters as "eating someone else's cold snot"
until I twigged on their sublime pleasure. Now I believe that if
someone else's cold snot tasted like oysters, I'd eat it. Especially
if it came with a glass of good champagne.
Jeffrey William McKeough
Mike Jankulak <jank...@panix.com> wrote:
>Gromit <g...@panix.com> wrote:
>>::ahem::. What country are you in now, hon?
>
>I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO THE EVIL MURRIKEN OOBERCULTURE!
As Greg would know if he'd ever read your post about how you refuse
to mail anything in the US because the mailboxes are blue.
--
Jeffrey William McKeough san...@shore.net
Michael Palmer
(Gromit) wrote:
>In article <7822pv$euj$1...@ambach.macc.wisc.edu>, ande...@facstaff.wisc.edu
>(Jess Anderson) wrote:
>
>> Mike Jankulak:
>>
>> >*Finally*, the Girl Guide cookies are going on sale,
>> >starting Thursday! [I wonder if they've changed the
>> >time of year of the sale -- I certainly don't recall
>> >that the little lasses had to freeze themselves for
>> >their cause, hocking cookies outside of supermarkets
>> >in the middle of the *winter*. Hmmm.]
>>
>> Language query: don't we say "Girl Scouts" (rather than Guides)
>> in the States? I dunno if this next is a usage or a spelling
>> item: "hocking" is borrowing money: "I'm in hock up to the
>> eyeballs"; "hawking" is selling: "Street vendors there hawk
>> *everything* and then some".
>
>Where I come from, "hocking" is something that you do "up"
>to bring up big thick wads of spit and mucus. "Lungers"
>was a common descriptive term for the result.
What Greg describes, to (make an effort to) raise phlegm from the
throat, is properly spelled "hawking"; it appears in Shakespeare's
_As You Like It_, V. 3:
Touch: Come, sit, sit, and a song. ...
1 Page: Shall we clap into't roundly, without hawking, or
spitting, or saying we are hoarse?
To "hawk" = to offer goods for sale by outcry in the street, is
derived from the older noun, "hawkster", a form of the word "huckster"
(cf. the Dutch "heuker" and the German "Höker").
To "hock" = "to pawn"; according to several modern editions of
Webster's, it derives from the Dutch "hok" = "prison", or "debt".
---
Michael Palmer
Famous Bovines International
Claremont, California
mpa...@netcom.com
David Speakman
wrote:
»
»I'd buy Girl Scout cookies if they didn't run out of Thin Mints,
»which are the only ones I like, before they get to my house.
»
You mean you don't have co-workers with those sign-up sheets. I
buy thin mints in bulk and keep them in the freezer -- much to
the delight of my roommate who think's it's open season as soon
as I crack open one of the boxes.
I just ran out 3 weeks ago. Thank god they're back!
Crushed, they make a great substitute for graham cracker crust
for chilled deserts... Think chocolate mousse with a thin-mint
crust... mmmm.....
---
David Speakman
http://www.david.speakman.com
David Speakman
<ja...@panix3.panix.com> wrote:
»jank...@panix.com (Mike Jankulak) writes:
»> * Samoas (vanilla, caramel, cocoa and coconut rings)
»
»i hope that whoever invented these is sitting on the
»right-hand side of God.
I'm appalled. this is blatant leftyphobia. ;-)
David Speakman
<lib...@paladin.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
»Daniel Chase Edmonds <ded...@emory.edu> wrote:
»: : Either works, doesn't it?
»
»: Not if you get the Creosote connection.
»
»I didn't but it was explained to me.
»
»Although THAT was an after dinner mint, right?
»
»Orders of magnitude (whatever those are) different, thin mint
»cookies and after dinner mints...
»
»: : And I'm not getting the Creosote connection...
»
»: Monty Python
»
»Which, along with most other forms of British humor (Ab Fab
»being a notable exception), I tend find impenetrable...
Fuck off... and bring the bucket...
David "But I Didn't Have the Salmon" Speakman
Josh Simon
> David "But I Didn't Have the Salmon" Speakman
Salmon mousse.
scott...@my-dejanews.com
jank...@panix.com (Mike Jankulak) wrote:
> Gromit <g...@panix.com> wrote:
> >::ahem::. What country are you in now, hon?
>
> I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO THE EVIL MURRIKEN OOBERCULTURE!
Heh! You've already been to Disney World. The assimilation has begun.
Scott
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Mike Jankulak
>It's not overculture, it's the correct and legal name for
>an organization. Using the name of a similar organization
>in your home country is just _wrong_.
A very *small* wrong to counter the very great wrongness
that is the country of Murrikia, you evil commie capitalist
pinko faggot.
>Did you call them biscuits in Canada? Girl Guide Biscuits?
Whassa "biscuit"? I suspect you may be confusing Canada,
the original of everything, with the U.K., which is really
only a cheap knock-off. They kin *spell* pretty good over
there but they kin't pronounce fer shit.
They are Girl Guide Cookies. Bite me.
Mike Jankulak
>As Greg would know if he'd ever read your post about how you refuse
>to mail anything in the US because the mailboxes are blue.
ObMailboxes: my Czech professor couldn't mail anything the
first year she was in Canada because she thought all of the
mailboxes were garbage cans. I never asked her if she'd
been mailing all of her litter for that first year, tho.
Mike Jankulak
>I'd buy Girl Scout cookies if they didn't run out of Thin Mints, which are
>the only ones I like, before they get to my house.
They bring 'em to your *house*?!?!
Chee. You must be really *connected*.
Leith Chu
> Gromit <g...@panix.com> wrote:
> >It's not overculture, it's the correct and legal name for
> >an organization. Using the name of a similar organization
> >in your home country is just _wrong_.
> A very *small* wrong to counter the very great wrongness
> that is the country of Murrikia, you evil commie capitalist
> pinko faggot.
I take everything I've said about your treason back. You haven't given
in, you're trying to annex the USA.
How are you doing WRT peanut butter?
> >Did you call them biscuits in Canada? Girl Guide Biscuits?
> Whassa "biscuit"? I suspect you may be confusing Canada,
> the original of everything, with the U.K., which is really
> only a cheap knock-off. They kin *spell* pretty good over
> there but they kin't pronounce fer shit.
Although there has been a bit of media attention up here to the practice
of dunking bikkies.
> They are Girl Guide Cookies. Bite me.
I thought that was Sim's job.
Leith
Alex Elliott
Gromit <g...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>I used to refer to raw oysters as "eating someone else's cold snot"
>until I twigged on their sublime pleasure. Now I believe that if
>someone else's cold snot tasted like oysters, I'd eat it. Especially
>if it came with a glass of good champagne.
I do indeed like raw oysters, but I still think they look like something
that fell out of an ox nose.
Alex.
Josh Simon
>> They are Girl Guide Cookies. Bite me.
Leith Chu:
> I thought that was Sim's job.
No no no. Sim doesn't bite. It's remote control radiation burns.
-j, who knows full well he's referring to the wrong couple
Ellen Evans
Michael Palmer <mpa...@netcom.com> wrote:
>What Greg describes, to (make an effort to) raise phlegm from the
>throat, is properly spelled "hawking"; it appears in Shakespeare's
>_As You Like It_, V. 3:
You're using *Shakespeare* as a spelling authority?
He didn't even spell his name consistently.
--
Ellen Evans 17 Across: The "her" of "Leave Her to Heaven"
je...@netcom.com New York Times, 7/14/96
Kathryn L. Schmitz
Joon <jo...@clueby4.org> wrote:
>
>DP is also where I first heard "harshing," the uncontrollable coughing
>caused by a too-generous bong hit, and the occasional side effects of
>"harsh-fart" and "harsh-hurl" and the very rare "harsh-baby" which I'll let
>you figure out.
Nearly 25 years ago I learned the term "harsh out" and "harshing" (no
accompanying farts, hurls, or babies to my knowledge) on the opposite
coast, in Maryland just northwest of Washington, D.C. The thought of
such a universal language for such fond memories is very comforting to
me.
Katie
Chris Ambidge
>....approximately noon, Friday.
>
>*Finally*, the Girl Guide cookies are going on sale,
>starting Thursday! [I wonder if they've changed the
>time of year of the sale -- I certainly don't recall
>that the little lasses had to freeze themselves for
>their cause, hocking cookies outside of supermarkets
>in the middle of the *winter*. Hmmm.]
well, I don't either, but then we have winter up here
in the frozen northland, Mikey. Is there EVER a time
when it's too cold in Florryda for GG/GSs to sell
bikkies?
[list trimmed]
>* Thin Mints (thin wafer with smooth chocolate coating)
my absolute faves...
>* Samoas (vanilla, caramel, cocoa and coconut rings)
I first read this as "Samosas", which while tasty are
not what I expect Girl Guides to be selling.
Chris
did I tell you? my pusher^H^H^H^H^H^Hsupplier of Girl Guide cookies
at church is not a guide any more so I got NO COOKIES this year oh
woe is me!
--
Chris Ambidge =|= chemist by day, panda by night
chris....@utoronto.ca =|= amb...@ecf.utoronto.ca
http://www.chem-eng.utoronto.ca/~ambidge/panda.jpg
Brian Vogel
} In article <36a592fc...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, dav...@hotmail.com (David
} Speakman) wrote:
} - You mean you don't have co-workers with those sign-up sheets.
} Nope. I'm a grad student. A few of my colleagues have kids but they're too
} young for Girl/Boy Scouts.
You must be in a department with a *really* young faculty. One of
the professors in my department already has his daughter's Girl Scout
Cookie sale sheet posted in the mailroom. It's accompanied by a photograph
and handwritten note from his obviously very young daughter.
[No, I don't think this counts as a *Precious Loinfruit* display.]
As an aside, several participants in this thread have noted their
love of the Thin Mints cookies and bemoaned their restricted availability.
If you live anywhere within the US (I don't think they're international)
where the Lance company sells the ubiquitous Toastchee (peanut butter
on cheese crackers) or Nipchee (cheese on cheese crackers) look closely
at their supermarket display. They market a thin mint cookie that's
virtually indistinguishable from the Girl Scout version. (Or at least
it was the last time I did a direct comparison).
} Is it a cultural thing or do American
} parents overall do a much worse job than Mexican, Danish, and Indonesian
} parents? These kids are polite, smart, well-behaved and still fun as hell
} to be around. At least when the parents are around ;)
My personal experience (and observation) is that American parenting
styles, in general, are far "looser" in enforcing discipline and manners
than those of a number of other countries. We worship at the temple of
"fragile" [sq] self-esteem (or at least that's always the excuse for not
disciplining that I hear: "It might *hurt* their self-esteem!").
Obviously, others may disagree.
Brian
--
Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired.
-- Robert Frost
Chris Ambidge
>} - Where I come from, "hocking" is something that you do "up"
>} - to bring up big thick wads of spit and mucus. "Lungers"
>} - was a common descriptive term for the result.
[joon]
>} Horking. Up. Loogies.
[Brian]
> No, no, *no*!: "Hocking up loogies." During my childhood days
>we had an unfortunate neighbor who did this as a morning ritual hunched
>over the railing of his side porch. We dubbed him "Mr. Hock n' Spit".
>
> It's your cat (if you have one), my cat, any cat that, depending
>on tense:
>
> "Might hork up hairballs."
>
> "Is horking up a hairball."
>
> "Horked up a hairball."
>
>Thank you for your attention.
>
>Brian
different verb for human/feline? My my.
Now hereabouts horking is the action of bringing fluid material
up from nether regions of one's lungs/GI tract/nasal regions
in order to spit it (somewhere). Though it's not pronounced with
a strong R, it is there. I've never heard "loogies" or "lungers"
or any variation on that theme in this part of the Great White
North.
"Hocking" is a colloquial word for "pawning", or possibly in
debt as in "he's in hock for $250".
chris
who really can't believe he's contributing to a furball discussion
but then again, after the feline-tinsel-poop discussion, maybe I'd
best be quiet
Chris Ambidge
>>>> i hope that whoever invented these is sitting on the
>>>> right-hand side of God.
>>
>>> Just how much room does Jesus have in his lap, anyway?
[josh?]
>>No nno no. Jake said "the right-hand side of God," not of God's
>>[alleged] offspring. God's either in Switzerland or California,
>>I'm not sure which at the moment.
[robert]
>My guess is that Clay was referring to the tradition (which I'm
>acquainted with through innumerable settings of the Latin text of the
>Nicaean Creed) whereby Jesus sits at the right hand of God. Which I
>suppose he might be, if she's facing north-by-northwest, he's sitting
>down, and you don't want to be too restrictive in your definition of
>proximity.
I remember back in my literal-minded 6yr old past carefully
working this one out. I knew that this God guy was important
and that "sitting at the right hand of" meant "place of
importance" (and on the left hand, along with the goats, was
Not A Good Thing). I also knew that Jesus was also offering
seats on the right to good people. I'd just managed to get
left and right down myself(*), so if Jesus was on God's right
hand, then God was on Jesus' left hand and this was blipping
high alarms on what I now recognise as my paradox-O-meter.
So I solved this one by putting the paternal one and Jesus
on thrones facing in opposite directions,so they could each
be on the other's right.
(*)I still recall learning left and right by the positions
of things in the kitchen. Look at the window. Fridge is on
the left, sink is on the right. To this day, if I get really
confused, that's the image that comes up in my mind; though
usually "Left-hand-makes-an-L, Right-hand-has-the-Ring works.
Chris
left/right/up/down/still confused
Chris Ambidge
young women in the Baden-Powell tradition, and the
name of their baked fundraising products. Incidentally,
the young B-P women began in the UK, where they were
called "Guides", so it's the 'Murricans who have done
the perverting here]
>Did you call them biscuits in Canada? Girl Guide Biscuits?
no, they're "Girl Guide Cookies" here in the Great
White North. Ask biiig arnold - he's had several
bits of the boxes sent to him as postcards (somewhat
modified with pictures of humans who are visibly not
girls, or even women, but I digress)
Chris
still pouting that he didn't get any chocolate-mint GGCs this
season
Gromit
(Alex Elliott) wrote:
Who cares. It's tired, it's old, but it's appropriate: you've had
worse things in your mouth.
Mary Ballard
: I'd buy Girl Scout cookies if they didn't run out of
: Thin Mints, which are the only ones I like, before
: they get to my house.
I *don't* buy Girl Scout Cookies because I think the
children who sell them are being exploited for the good
of the organization as a whole. When I was a child, and
a Girl Scout, I was literally *forced* to sell cookies.
I did not want to sell cookies. When asked how many
boxes I wanted to sell I said "None. I don't want to
sell cookies." The troop leader responded that I *had*
to sell cookies; that I had to take (whatever minimum
whomever set) ____ boxes of cookies to sell. Well, my
mom and dad ran a country store, so I just put the damn
cookies on a shelf in there and my parents helped me
get rid of them, year after year. I'm not sure what I
would have done otherwise; probably allow all the
cookies to get stale and get in trouble with the troop
leader. So, when I see those poor little girls I
wonder which ones are laboring against their will and
tell them "No thanks. I don't like Girl Scout Cookies."
Mary, ruined for life by forced child labor.
--
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Send me junk mail, I'll send it back // ball...@am.appstate.edu
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Brian Vogel
} different verb for human/feline? My my.
Well, specificity has its virtues. And, actually the sounds
of hawking [the human activity, in its correctly spelled form]
and horking somewhat mimic the respective words themselves.
} "Hocking" is a colloquial word for "pawning", or possibly in
} debt as in "he's in hock for $250".
I've always known this use and the phrase describing someone who's
pawned virtually everything as "being in hock up to their eyeballs."
I didn't know that the disgusting phlegm producing action was
correctly spelled "hawking", however. I learn all kinds of new things
in our little village.
Brian
--
Those who desire to rise as high as our human condition
allows, must renounce intellectual pride . . .the
omnipotence of clear thinking . . . belief in the
absolute power of logic. -- Alexis Carrel
Kathryn Burlingham
>
> I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO THE EVIL MURRIKEN OOBERCULTURE!
The more you scream, the more we love it.
--Kathryn
Ken Rudolph
>
> [gromit, or wallace, or greg]
> >} - Where I come from, "hocking" is something that you do "up"
> >} - to bring up big thick wads of spit and mucus. "Lungers"
> >} - was a common descriptive term for the result.
> "Hocking" is a colloquial word for "pawning", or possibly in
> debt as in "he's in hock for $250".
I can't believe nobody has come up with the Yiddish word "hock"
which is what I think of first when I hear the word.
--Ken Rudolph (chopping tea kettles)
Gromit
jo...@clueby4.org (Joon) wrote:
> In article <glp-200199...@glp.dialup.access.net>, g...@panix.com
> (Gromit) wrote:
>
> - In article <joon-ya02408000R1901992056050001@news-server>,
> - jo...@clueby4.org (Joon) wrote:
> -
> - > In article <glp-190199...@glp.dialup.access.net>, g...@panix.com
> - > (Gromit) wrote:
> - >
> - > - Where I come from, "hocking" is something that you do "up"
> - > - to bring up big thick wads of spit and mucus. "Lungers"
> - > - was a common descriptive term for the result.
> - >
> - > Horking. Up. Loogies.
> - >
> - > </Dana Point dialect>
> -
> - Seriously? It varied that much from Corona del Mar to Dana
> - Point (a 15 minute drive, with no traffic)?
>
> I heard both "hock" and "hork" but preferred "hork." I never heard of
> "lungers" til you mentioned it. Did you grow up in CdM?
Yes. Off of Marguerite.
> DP is also where I first heard "harshing," the uncontrollable coughing
> caused by a too-generous bong hit, and the occasional side effects of
> "harsh-fart" and "harsh-hurl" and the very rare "harsh-baby" which I'll let
> you figure out.
>
> Maybe we just had a lot more stoners down there.
I think you did. Most of ours lived out on the Peninsula.
I remember "to harsh" to be "to take the pleasure away
from", as in "harshed my buzz" and "harshing the family's
christmas".
> - > I call loogies clams now, which squicks some people out big time.
> -
> - I used to refer to raw oysters as "eating someone else's cold snot"
> - until I twigged on their sublime pleasure. Now I believe that if
> - someone else's cold snot tasted like oysters, I'd eat it. Especially
> - if it came with a glass of good champagne.
>
> *gack*I can only eat the things if I've had at least a bottle of good
> champagne. Oysters are one of those foods I can't even approach if sober.
Living in NYC will change you.
Chris Ambidge
[Mikey]
>I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO THE EVIL MURRIKEN OOBERCULTURE!
as opposed [anent a different sub-thread] to
the 'murriken gooberculture?
Chris
Clayton Colwell
: Joon <jo...@clueby4.org> wrote:
: >I'd buy Girl Scout cookies if they didn't run out of Thin Mints, which are
: >the only ones I like, before they get to my house.
: They bring 'em to your *house*?!?!
: Chee. You must be really *connected*.
My Cub Scout days had us walking door-to-door to peddle our
peanut brittle. (It wasn't a hardship for me, since I wanted
that foosball table they were giving the high-seller. I missed
out by 3 boxes, but the air-hockey table was a nice consolation
prize. but I digress...).
Lately, all I've seen is co-workers' non-solicitous posters
on cube and office doors, and the ubiquitous presence of
mother-daughter hunting teams outside grocery stores. I
imagine that is in response to child-predator fear, though
I may be off on that assumption. It's been ages since I've
seen a door-to-door salesperson (although, come to think of
it, that for me is a Good Thing).
****** Clay Colwell (aka StealthSmurf) ********** er...@bga.com ******
* "In the future, we will recognize software crashes as technologically *
* mandated ergonomic rest breaks - and we will pay extra for them." *
* -- Crazy Uncle Joe Hannibal *
Steven Levine
Brian Vogel <vog...@falcon.jmu.edu> wrote:
> As an aside, several participants in this thread have noted their
>love of the Thin Mints cookies and bemoaned their restricted availability.
>If you live anywhere within the US (I don't think they're international)
>where the Lance company sells the ubiquitous Toastchee (peanut butter
>on cheese crackers) or Nipchee (cheese on cheese crackers) look closely
>at their supermarket display. They market a thin mint cookie that's
>virtually indistinguishable from the Girl Scout version. (Or at least
>it was the last time I did a direct comparison).
Some years ago -- I think in the NYTimes -- I read an article
about Girl Scout cookies which said that the cookies are baked
and sold pretty much to order, at least in the sense that
there's a bounded season in which the cookies will be sold.
This means that the cookies stand a better chance of
being closer-to-time-baked when you buy them than the same
cookies baked by the same bakery (under a different name)
in a grocery store.
So if you try Brian's suggestion, as I plan to myself, consider
that if they taste different than you expect it might be
a result of timing.
-Steven Levine, who buys his cookies from Anna Kate these days
ste...@sgi.com
Julian Lander
> one of my cow-orkers accidentally filled up an entire sign up sheet today -
^^^^^^^^^^
Why do I find myself giggling at the thought of Robin Williams run amuck
among the cattle?
Julian C. Lander
jcla...@mitre.org
*** MITRE gave me the email account, but what I did with it was my own
fault***
Julian Lander
> one of my cow-orkers accidentally filled up an entire sign up sheet today -
^^^^^^^^^^
Why do I find myself giggling at the thought of Robin Williams
frolicking
among the cattle? And what would Pam Dawber think?
John Dorrance
God babbles! Cool!!!
--
John Dorrance Madison, WI jo...@chorus.net
"I'm no fucking Bhuddist, but this is enlightenment." -- Bjork
John Dorrance
> * Lemon Drops (a new cookie with creamy lemon chips)
What the fuck are creamy lemon chips?
Lorna Brown
: Chris Ambidge wrote:
: >
: > [gromit, or wallace, or greg]
: > >} - to bring up big thick wads of spit and mucus. "Lungers"
: > >} - was a common descriptive term for the result.
: > "Hocking" is a colloquial word for "pawning", or possibly in
: > debt as in "he's in hock for $250".
: I can't believe nobody has come up with the Yiddish word "hock"
: which is what I think of first when I hear the word.
Then there is the Canadian "Can you hock that over here?" meaning to hurl
or toss. I always thought that is were hockey came from.
corry
David W. Fenton
: They are Girl Guide Cookies. Bite me.
You mean: *We* are Girl Guide Cookies. Bite us.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Gromit
jo...@clueby4.org (Joon) wrote:
> In article <glp-210199...@glp.dialup.access.net>, g...@panix.com
> (Gromit) wrote:
>
> - > I heard both "hock" and "hork" but preferred "hork." I never heard of
> - > "lungers" til you mentioned it. Did you grow up in CdM?
> -
> - Yes. Off of Marguerite.
>
> Oh yeah, that's the one that you can take as a shortcut up to MacArthur?
Yep.
> - > DP is also where I first heard "harshing," the uncontrollable coughing
> - > caused by a too-generous bong hit, and the occasional side effects of
> - > "harsh-fart" and "harsh-hurl" and the very rare "harsh-baby" which
I'll let
> - > you figure out.
> - >
> - > Maybe we just had a lot more stoners down there.
> -
> - I think you did. Most of ours lived out on the Peninsula.
>
> Heh. They still do (1129 W. Balboa Blvd was my home for three years. The
> Peninsula or the Island are about the only places I'd live if I ever had to
> move back to OC. Or maybe in the London Mews-ish part of Laguna Beach).
Peninsula: $$$, crowded.
Island: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Laguna: Why bother?
> - I remember "to harsh" to be "to take the pleasure away
> - from", as in "harshed my buzz" and "harshing the family's
> - christmas".
>
> I may be off base but I think there were a few years between our high
> school experiences, which could account for some of the differences.
69-74
Leith Chu
> Mike Jankulak wrote:
> > * Lemon Drops (a new cookie with creamy lemon chips)
> What the fuck are creamy lemon chips?
It's probably what they use as a base for creamy hollandaise.
Leith
Mike Jankulak
>69-74
^ ^
19 19
Sheesh. That kinda thing could get your ass *fired*
where I work.
--
"No smell, no stain. And I think Mike did it."
-- Kathryn Burlingham
Éamonn McManus
> Michael Palmer <mpa...@netcom.com> wrote:
> >What Greg describes, to (make an effort to) raise phlegm from the
> >throat, is properly spelled "hawking"; it appears in Shakespeare's
> >_As You Like It_, V. 3:
>
> You're using *Shakespeare* as a spelling authority?
It's not a question of spelling, it's a question of pronunciation.
Any dialect worth its salt distinguishes between "hock" and "hawk".
http://mtcc.com/~eamonn/sounds/hock-hawk.aiff
http://mtcc.com/~eamonn/sounds/hock-hawk.wav
,
Eamonn http://www.mtcc.com/~eamonn/
"Make a remark," said the Red Queen: "it's ridiculous to leave all the
conversation to the pudding!"
Josh Simon
>> 69-74
Mike Jankulak wrote (appending "19" to the numbers above):
> Sheesh. That kinda thing could get your ass *fired* where I work.
Yeah, ditto. It's a good thing Gromit doesn't work for a bank or
in the financial industry.
-j
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Chris Ambidge
>>What Greg describes, to (make an effort to) raise phlegm from the
>>throat, is properly spelled "hawking"; it appears in Shakespeare's
>>_As You Like It_, V. 3:
thank you, Michael; as Brian said, 'tis amazing what
one can learn from the motssisi
[jeeves]
>You're using *Shakespeare* as a spelling authority?
>
>He didn't even spell his name consistently.
of course.
I also use him as an authority for using "they" as a singular
word (and forms therof). Very useful for snotty high-
school teachers using a verbal ruler on one's written knuckles,
"well, if it was good enough for Shakespeare and Jane Austen,
it's good enough for me" [with the unspoken "and it should
be for you too"]
Chris Ambidge
>- >I'd buy Girl Scout cookies if they didn't run out of Thin Mints, which are
>- >the only ones I like, before they get to my house.
[Mikey]
>- They bring 'em to your *house*?!?!
>- Chee. You must be really *connected*.
[Joon]
>What, Girl Guides don't go door-to-door?
>
>and they say Canada is sophisticated. . .
well, up to a point, Lord Copper. But nonetheless, the Girl
Guides, to the best of my knowledge, don't deliver to
Dania, Florida.
I actually managed my last consignment from chillens posted
at Wellesley subway station. The bikkies were lucky to make
it home (all of four blocks) with the cellophane wrapper
intact.
chris
Chris Ambidge
> As an aside, several participants in this thread have noted their
>love of the Thin Mints cookies and bemoaned their restricted availability.
>If you live anywhere within the US (I don't think they're international)
>where the Lance company sells the ubiquitous Toastchee (peanut butter
>on cheese crackers) or Nipchee (cheese on cheese crackers) look closely
>at their supermarket display. They market a thin mint cookie that's
>virtually indistinguishable from the Girl Scout version. (Or at least
>it was the last time I did a direct comparison).
Love of? believe me, they beat the heck out of bamboo.
I'm not sure it was kind of you to post this, Brian, dearheart.
I've not seen that brand o'bikkies here in the Great
White North, and so had been resigned to getting Girl
Guide mint&chocolate cookies but once a year.
And now you tell me that you can get 'em year round. and
I can't. That was Not Nice.
Chris
who has just discovered a VERY LARGE mint&chocolateGirlGuideCookie
shaped hole in his tum, and no way to fill it.
<pout>
Tim Wilson
> Gromit wrote:
> >> 69-74
>
> Mike Jankulak wrote (appending "19" to the numbers above):
> > Sheesh. That kinda thing could get your ass *fired* where I work.
>
> Yeah, ditto. It's a good thing Gromit doesn't work for a bank or
> in the financial industry.
Or spend the last N months of his life dealing with that Y2K problem.
--
Tim Wilson http://www.ee.memphis.edu/~tim/ mailto:tawi...@memphis.edu
Gromit
<t...@banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu> wrote:
> j...@cesium.clock.org (Josh Simon) writes:
>
> > Gromit wrote:
> > >> 69-74
> >
> > Mike Jankulak wrote (appending "19" to the numbers above):
> > > Sheesh. That kinda thing could get your ass *fired* where I work.
> >
> > Yeah, ditto. It's a good thing Gromit doesn't work for a bank or
> > in the financial industry.
>
> Or spend the last N months of his life dealing with that Y2K problem.
Euro, mostly. They're finishing the Y2K work now, without me.
Jeffrey William McKeough
wrote:
>Any dialect worth its salt distinguishes between "hock" and "hawk".
Some dialects have to use all their salt to clear the ice off the
roads.
--
Jeffrey William McKeough san...@shore.net
Brian Vogel
} Mike Jankulak wrote:
}> * Lemon Drops (a new cookie with creamy lemon chips)
} What the fuck are creamy lemon chips?
Think along the lines of faux white chocolate chips
with FD&C Yellow #5 and artificial lemon flavoring.
Or don't.
Brian
--
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Is due to truths being in and out of favor.
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David Speakman
»In article <ho...@kaa.gr.osf.org>, Éamonn McManus
<eam...@mtcc.com>
»wrote:
»>It's not a question of spelling, it's a question of
pronunciation. Any dialect worth its salt distinguishes between
"hock" and "hawk".
I'm still trying to get my roomie, who hails from western PA, to
learn the difference between "caller," "color" and "collar" which
all come out sounding like "Kah-ler" when she says them. It's
been 11 years now and I've decided I'm the one who needs to
adjust. ;-)
---
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http://www.david.speakman.com
Scott Safier
David Speakman wrote:
>
> »In article <ho...@kaa.gr.osf.org>, Éamonn McManus
> <eam...@mtcc.com>
> »wrote:
> »>It's not a question of spelling, it's a question of
> pronunciation. Any dialect worth its salt distinguishes between
> "hock" and "hawk".
> »
>
> I'm still trying to get my roomie, who hails from western PA, to
> learn the difference between "caller," "color" and "collar" which
> all come out sounding like "Kah-ler"
As a native Western PA person, I have 2 of the 3. (caller == collar,
color) I do have all three of "Mary", "Marry" and "Merry" though.
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Éamonn McManus
> David Speakman wrote:
> > Éamonn McManus <eam...@mtcc.com> wrote:
> > »It's not a question of spelling, it's a question of
> > »pronunciation. Any dialect worth its salt distinguishes between
> > »"hock" and "hawk".
> >
> > I'm still trying to get my roomie, who hails from western PA, to
> > learn the difference between "caller," "color" and "collar" which
> > all come out sounding like "Kah-ler"
>
> As a native Western PA person, I have 2 of the 3. (caller == collar,
> color) I do have all three of "Mary", "Marry" and "Merry" though.
The difference between "caller" and "collar" is the same as the difference
between "hawk" and "hock". Pronouncing them the same is a feature of a
large dialect area of American English, which I see is diagrammed in _The
Cambridge Encyclopedia of the English Language_ (p312 in my edition).
It covers the whole West Coast of the US, narrowing slightly and then
greatly to taper off sharply exactly in (South-)Western Pennsylvania.
Ken Rudolph
>
> cor...@telerama.lm.com writes:
> > David Speakman wrote:
> > > Éamonn McManus <eam...@mtcc.com> wrote:
> > > »It's not a question of spelling, it's a question of
> > > »pronunciation. Any dialect worth its salt distinguishes between
> > > »"hock" and "hawk".
> > >
> > > I'm still trying to get my roomie, who hails from western PA, to
> > > learn the difference between "caller," "color" and "collar" which
> > > all come out sounding like "Kah-ler"
> >
> > As a native Western PA person, I have 2 of the 3. (caller == collar,
> > color) I do have all three of "Mary", "Marry" and "Merry" though.
>
> The difference between "caller" and "collar" is the same as the difference
> between "hawk" and "hock". Pronouncing them the same is a feature of a
> large dialect area of American English, which I see is diagrammed in _The
> Cambridge Encyclopedia of the English Language_ (p312 in my edition).
> It covers the whole West Coast of the US, narrowing slightly and then
> greatly to taper off sharply exactly in (South-)Western Pennsylvania.
This can't be right. In my experience, people on the West Coast of
the US absolutely differentiate between "collar-caller" and
"hawk-hock" (though not "Mary-merry," with "marry" possibly slightly
different.) One problem, Éamonn, that I have listening to your .wav
file, is that your "hawk" sounds like "honk" to me.
--Ken Rudolph
Scott Safier
"Éamonn McManus" wrote:
>
> cor...@telerama.lm.com writes:
> > David Speakman wrote:
> > > Éamonn McManus <eam...@mtcc.com> wrote:
> > > »It's not a question of spelling, it's a question of
> > > »pronunciation. Any dialect worth its salt distinguishes between
> > > »"hock" and "hawk".
> > >
> > > I'm still trying to get my roomie, who hails from western PA, to
> > > learn the difference between "caller," "color" and "collar" which
> > > all come out sounding like "Kah-ler"
> >
> > As a native Western PA person, I have 2 of the 3. (caller == collar,
> > color) I do have all three of "Mary", "Marry" and "Merry" though.
>
> The difference between "caller" and "collar" is the same as the difference
> between "hawk" and "hock".
Yes, I have one pronounciation for both.
>Pronouncing them the same is a feature of a
> large dialect area of American English, which I see is diagrammed in _The
> Cambridge Encyclopedia of the English Language_ (p312 in my edition).
> It covers the whole West Coast of the US, narrowing slightly and then
> greatly to taper off sharply exactly in (South-)Western Pennsylvania.
Yes, I remember a teacher in High School saying that some dialect
specialists believed S. West PA to be a junction of three regional
dialects. I've also heard that some of the word-choices used in greater
Pittsburgh come from the Scotish (e.g. yinz for you plural), Eastern
European (e.g. bubushka) and other immigrant populations. I'm not sure
how these two theories interact, if at all.
Brian Vogel
} [jeeves]
}>You're using *Shakespeare* as a spelling authority?
}>
}>He didn't even spell his name consistently.
} of course.
Well, it *is* convenient, but, as Jeeves notes, dangerous.
} I also use him as an authority for using "they" as a singular
} word (and forms therof).
Give me a contemporary usage, please. I keep hoping that
somehow "their" will become acceptable as the indefinite singular
pronoun. Since societal sensitivities have shifted toward the
use of gender neutral or gender inclusive forms (which is a good
thing) the "his/her" designation is driving me *crazy*. I find,
for example:
"Everyone grab their coat." OR "No one had their hat."
much preferable to:
"Everyone grab his/her coat." OR "No one had his/her hat."
(or the form using 'his' alone, 'her' alone, or 'his or her').
} Very useful for snotty high-
} school teachers using a verbal ruler on one's written knuckles,
} "well, if it was good enough for Shakespeare and Jane Austen,
} it's good enough for me" [with the unspoken "and it should
} be for you too"]
Tell me how I can use this to advance *my* cause!
Brian
--
A great many people think they are thinking when they are
merely rearranging their prejudices.
-- William James
Brian Vogel
[Re: love of Girl Scout Thin Mint Cookies]
} Love of? believe me, they beat the heck out of bamboo.
As you know, the role of "procurer" and "illegal mailer across
national boundaries", for various foodstuffs, has been undertaken by
members of this cohort before. (I'll have to check if they're in
the grocery store here in the 'burg. Virtually every other Lance
product is.)
} I'm not sure it was kind of you to post this, Brian, dearheart.
Why should you care, they're just a notch above bamboo to you?
Kenneth Ashton Callicott
Scott Safier <cor...@telerama.lm.com> wrote:
>
>As a native Western PA person, I have 2 of the 3. (caller == collar,
>color) I do have all three of "Mary", "Marry" and "Merry" though.
Color-caller-collar I can get (although the last two sound
similar), but I wish some kind soul would put a voice sample
of this Mary-Marry-Merry difference up on the web. I'm as
mystified as if someone said there's a difference between
"to", "too", and "two".
Of course, I come from a vowel-poor dialect. I mean, that 'e' in
vowel is just completely wasted.
Key-nee, in my youth.
--
Ken Callicott Hopkins Marine Station kac...@leland.stanford.edu
"You could be friends with straight people, he thought, the way you
could be friends with other species, dogs or cats."
--Mark Merlis, "An Arrow's Flight"
Robert S. Coren
Kenneth Ashton Callicott <kac...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>I wish some kind soul would put a voice sample
>of this Mary-Marry-Merry difference up on the web. I'm as
>mystified as if someone said there's a difference between
>"to", "too", and "two".
The next time I'm in the Bay Area, I'll try to arrange to say them to
you in person, as often as you like. Be warned, though: I once knew
someone from Minnesota who claimed she couldn't hear the difference
even when I said them, which I find almost incredible.
--
-------Robert Coren (co...@spdcc.com)-------------------------
"The optative passive rocks!" --Jeffrey William McKeough
John Dorrance
>
> The Morph on the Other Side of the Mirror wrote:
> > one of my cow-orkers accidentally filled up an entire sign up sheet today -
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Why do I find myself giggling at the thought of Robin Williams run amuck
> among the cattle?
Because he could very well get trampled to death, thereby ending
the chain of 'Robin Williams is a sometimes silly, but incredibly
wise and admirable person' movies that have been making the world
gag for about a decade now?
Mike McManus
>
> Julian Lander wrote:
> >
> > The Morph on the Other Side of the Mirror wrote:
> > > one of my cow-orkers accidentally filled up an entire sign up sheet today -
> > ^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > Why do I find myself giggling at the thought of Robin Williams run
> > amuck among the cattle?
>
> Because he could very well get trampled to death, thereby ending
> the chain of 'Robin Williams is a sometimes silly, but incredibly
> wise and admirable person' movies that have been making the world
> gag for about a decade now?
Hence the warning in the alt.sysadmin.recovery FAQ: "Cow-orking is
dangerous, and illegal in the state of Utah."
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John F. Eldredge
> It's been ages since I've
>seen a door-to-door salesperson (although, come to think of
>it, that for me is a Good Thing).
During the summer of 1980 I worked as a door-to-door salesman, selling
the Cutco brand of kitchen knives (Cutco is a division of the WearEver
cookware company). I lost money at the deal, being too shy to make a
very good salesman, but some of my co-workers did fairly well. These
days, I suspect that not many people would let a stranger into their
house who was carrying a case of large knives, even if he was wearing
a suit and an identification badge.
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not organized rivalries, but an organized common peace." - Woodrow Wilson
Brian Vogel
} In article <ho...@kaa.gr.osf.org>, Éamonn McManus
} <eam...@mtcc.com>
} wrote:
} >It's not a question of spelling, it's a question of
} pronunciation. Any dialect worth its salt distinguishes between
} "hock" and "hawk".
}
} I'm still trying to get my roomie, who hails from western PA, to
} learn the difference between "caller," "color" and "collar" which
} all come out sounding like "Kah-ler" when she says them.
You mean her "color" isn't coming out as "keller"? That's
a very common Western PA pronunciation. (It took me a while to
finally use k-uh-ler [one syllable] consistently.)
The phonetic distinction between "caller" and "collar" (in most
speakers I've ever talked with) is either non-existent or an almost
indetectable difference in the "ah" vowel, only noticable when these
words are said in isolation, that disappears in continuous speech.
} It's been 11 years now and I've decided I'm the one who needs to
} adjust. ;-)
A fast learner, are we? :-)
Brian
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Though a good deal is too strange to be believed,
nothing is too strange to have happened.
-- Thomas Hardy
Brian Vogel
RSC>In article <78dboj$d...@saga18.Stanford.EDU>,
RSC>Kenneth Ashton Callicott <kac...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>>I wish some kind soul would put a voice sample
>>of this Mary-Marry-Merry difference up on the web. I'm as
>>mystified as if someone said there's a difference between
>>"to", "too", and "two".
RSC>The next time I'm in the Bay Area, I'll try to arrange to say them to
RSC>you in person, as often as you like. Be warned, though: I once knew
RSC>someone from Minnesota who claimed she couldn't hear the difference
RSC>even when I said them, which I find almost incredible.
I'll have to hear this sometime, as well. It's not all that
incredible that people claim not to hear the difference. Language
processing is pretty much set up to discriminate on linguistically
salient sounds from one's native language and dialect (in general).
If you grow up using a dialect where there is no distinction, and
the distinction in another dialect is subtle, it's highly likely
that you'll "not hear" it.
Brian
P.S. I don't get the "Mary", "marry", "merry" difference, either.
I know that some people phonetically distinguish between the latter
two, but have never heard anyone do the same with the initial two.
--
I know well what I am fleeing from but not what
I am in search of.
-- Michel de Montaigne (1533-1592)
Steven Levine
Brian Vogel <vog...@falcon.jmu.edu> wrote:
>P.S. I don't get the "Mary", "marry", "merry" difference, either.
>I know that some people phonetically distinguish between the latter
>two, but have never heard anyone do the same with the initial two.
But then how do you sing this song?
Mary Mack's mother's making Mary Mack marry me,
My mother's making me marry Mary Mack.
I'm gonna marry Mary so my Mary will take care O' me,
We'll all be feeling merry when I marry Mary Mack.
Although maybe that's the point.
-Steven Levine
ste...@sgi.com
Robert S. Coren
[Mary/marry/merry]
>RSC>The next time I'm in the Bay Area, I'll try to arrange to say them to
>RSC>you in person, as often as you like. Be warned, though: I once knew
>RSC>someone from Minnesota who claimed she couldn't hear the difference
>RSC>even when I said them, which I find almost incredible.
>
> I'll have to hear this sometime, as well. It's not all that
>incredible that people claim not to hear the difference. Language
>processing is pretty much set up to discriminate on linguistically
>salient sounds from one's native language and dialect (in general).
>If you grow up using a dialect where there is no distinction, and
>the distinction in another dialect is subtle, it's highly likely
>that you'll "not hear" it.
I guess the reason I found it "incredible" is that I don't find the
distinction in this case to be the least bit subtle.
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erotic." --BBC
Gromit
> P.S. I don't get the "Mary", "marry", "merry" difference, either.
> I know that some people phonetically distinguish between the latter
> two, but have never heard anyone do the same with the initial two.
I can hear the difference when other people pronounce them but I'm
damned if I can force myself to make them sound different when I
speak them.
Gromit
(Jess Anderson) wrote:
> Brian Vogel:
>
> >Brian
> >P.S. I don't get the "Mary", "marry", "merry" difference, either.
> >I know that some people phonetically distinguish between the latter
> >two, but have never heard anyone do the same with the initial two.
>
> Think: MAY-ri for Mary.
>
> As one midwestern data point stretching from central Illinois
> to south-central Wisconsin, a north-south line about 200
> miles long, I say "Mary" and "merry" the same, "marry" unlike
> them, "caller/collar/color" are three *very* distinct words
the first two are the same for me, the third distinctly different.
> for me, and "hock/hawk" are very distinct as well.
The same for me.
Gromit
(Gromit) wrote:
What I meant: my native accent has them the same; my acquired
New York accents makes them distinct. My UK pronunciation
has them different but in a different way, but that modification,
without daily reinforcement, is fading quickly.
Mike McManus
>
> In article <78inik$psh$1...@lark.jmu.edu>, Brian Vogel
> <vog...@falcon.jmu.edu> wrote:
>
> > I know that some people phonetically distinguish between the latter
> > two, but have never heard anyone do the same with the initial two.
>
> damned if I can force myself to make them sound different when I
> speak them.
That's pretty close to my take on the situation, which is that I
know I *can* distinguish the three by pronunciation, but usually I
don't *bother* to, unless I'm singing.
Surprisingly, in my case "marry" is the one that gets distinguished
from the other two more often than not: it comes out "maa-ry" while
the other two come out "meeuh-ry" (but the "ee" part is only barely
noticeable except in the phrase "Oh, MARY!!" ;-) Only rarely do I
end up pronouncing "merry" as "meh-ry" as it probably ought to be.
David W. Fenton
: Brian Vogel:
:
: >Brian
: >P.S. I don't get the "Mary", "marry", "merry" difference, either.
: >I know that some people phonetically distinguish between the latter
: >two, but have never heard anyone do the same with the initial two.
: Think: MAY-ri for Mary.
:
: As one midwestern data point stretching from central Illinois
: to south-central Wisconsin, a north-south line about 200
: miles long, I say "Mary" and "merry" the same, "marry" unlike
: them, "caller/collar/color" are three *very* distinct words
That line must extend south a hundred miles from Peoria, because that's
basically the same for me. However, there's precious little distinction
for "marry."
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scott...@my-dejanews.com
> P.S. I don't get the "Mary", "marry", "merry" difference, either.
> I know that some people phonetically distinguish between the latter
> two, but have never heard anyone do the same with the initial two.
marry -> Mary -> merry (for me, the last two in this sequence are similar but
slightly different, and there is a big difference between the first and
second). Marry is an "aaa" sound. Mary is a schwa(?) followed by an r.
Merry is closer to "air" than the schwa sound.
Scott
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ste...@cray.com (Steven Levine) wrote:
> In article <78inik$psh$1...@lark.jmu.edu>,
> Brian Vogel <vog...@falcon.jmu.edu> wrote:
>
> >P.S. I don't get the "Mary", "marry", "merry" difference, either.
> >I know that some people phonetically distinguish between the latter
> >two, but have never heard anyone do the same with the initial two.
>
>
> Mary Mack's mother's making Mary Mack marry me,
> My mother's making me marry Mary Mack.
> I'm gonna marry Mary so my Mary will take care O' me,
> We'll all be feeling merry when I marry Mary Mack.
>
> Although maybe that's the point.
There are some places that make no distinction between the three. *context*
helps, but maybe not in tongue twisters
Richard Jasper
Organization: Emory University
scott...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
:> P.S. I don't get the "Mary", "marry", "merry" difference, either.
:> I know that some people phonetically distinguish between the latter
:> two, but have never heard anyone do the same with the initial two.
: marry -> Mary -> merry (for me, the last two in this sequence are similar but
: slightly different, and there is a big difference between the first and
: second). Marry is an "aaa" sound. Mary is a schwa(?) followed by an r.
: Merry is closer to "air" than the schwa sound.
I only barely distinguish between the last two and that's partly because
my mother, who is from rural Alabama, is named "Mary," and although she's
always pronounced her name "Mair-ee" her family members have always called
her "May-ree."
As opposed to "Meh-ree" Widows...
-- rpj
(she's one of those, too...)
(and do you know how HARD it is for Southerners to pronounce pin and pen
differently?)
Chris Ambidge
>} I also use him as an authority for using "they" as a singular
>} word (and forms therof).
[Brian asked]
> Give me a contemporary usage, please. I keep hoping that
>somehow "their" will become acceptable as the indefinite singular
>pronoun. Since societal sensitivities have shifted toward the
>use of gender neutral or gender inclusive forms (which is a good
>thing) the "his/her" designation is driving me *crazy*. I find,
>for example:
contemporary usage? OK, me last week, to my class: "someone
has left their lab manual in the instrument room. Would
they pick it up, please?" (Ambidge, 1999)
Or alternatively,
>
> "Everyone grab their coat." OR "No one had their hat."
(Vogel, 1999)
just go ahead and use it. The language is a living thing,
so constructions that wouldn't work (or be understood)
20 or 200 years ago are now -- likewise some constructions
become archaic ["Prevent" is my fave example, granted in
an ecclesiastical way, but it used to mean "go before" (prevent
us o lord in all our doings), now it means "stop something".]
>} Very useful for snotty high-
>} school teachers using a verbal ruler on one's written knuckles,
>} "well, if it was good enough for Shakespeare and Jane Austen,
>} it's good enough for me" [with the unspoken "and it should
>} be for you too"]
>
> Tell me how I can use this to advance *my* cause!
if you do get any tight-arsed individuals sniffing that
they-is-plural-but-you-o-grammar-sinner-are-using-it-in-
a-singular-case, cite Bill Shakespeare or Jane Austen. Most
people will understand exactly what you mean. so, in fact,
will the tight-arses; and the purpose of language is to
communicate.
this is why I like the Oxford dictionary - descriptive, not
prescriptive. Speaking of precedent, and the OED, and Jane
Austen, have I mentioned she has the first printed reference
to baseball? [in the first chapter of *Northanger Abbey*, 1816 or so]
Chris
lexical rebel betimes
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Chris Ambidge
Cookies, salivating the while and bewailing that it's another
ten months or so before they come back on sale hearabouts.
[the wonderful, delightful, ever-so-kind, Brian Vogel posted]
> As you know, the role of "procurer" and "illegal mailer across
>national boundaries", for various foodstuffs, has been undertaken by
>members of this cohort before. (I'll have to check if they're in
>the grocery store here in the 'burg. Virtually every other Lance
>product is.)
oh, would you please? please please please?
I mean, I used to be mildly amused at Mike Jank+ and his love
of/need for Canajun Kraft(tm) Peanut Butter, which I've
mailed down south before now (especially from US post offices
when I'm visiting in that republic). The shoe is now firmly
on the other foot.
>} I'm not sure it was kind of you to post this, Brian, dearheart.
>
> Why should you care, they're just a notch above bamboo to you?
hey, I said "they beat the heck out of bamboo". In this
panda's idiom, that means chocolate mint cookies are orders
of magnitude more desirable than bamboo. Several dozens of
notches above bamboo.
and now there might be some around before next November.
Chris
hoping that Brian-the-wonderful-and-eagle-eyed might find some that
I may pay him to procure (ahem) same
and taking back everything he ever said about Brian not being kind
in posting about said cookies
John Dorrance
> } What the fuck are creamy lemon chips?
>
> Think along the lines of faux white chocolate chips
> with FD&C Yellow #5 and artificial lemon flavoring.
Are you sure they aren't mainly a wax-type "texture enhancer?"
> Or don't.
I miss the plain old sugar cookie ones.
Brian Vogel
->In article <78inik$psh$1...@lark.jmu.edu>, Brian Vogel
-><vog...@falcon.jmu.edu> wrote:
->> P.S. I don't get the "Mary", "marry", "merry" difference, either.
->> I know that some people phonetically distinguish between the latter
->> two, but have never heard anyone do the same with the initial two.
->I can hear the difference when other people pronounce them but I'm
Oh, so can I if I'm in an area where the phonetic distinction
is made. There is no such distinction where I grew up. I honestly
don't know if one exists here. I'll have to try this out on some
unsuspecting victim:
Please read aloud: "Mary was merry when she learned she would marry."
->damned if I can force myself to make them sound different when I
->speak them.
This one I can do if I think about it. I've got to get *much*
better at imitating various regional/dialectal features if I'm ever
to become the *perfect* speech pathologist.
Brian
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