Is there a word for this?
Jack Hamilton
Is there a name for the relationship between me and my aunt's nephews
in Pasadena? There's no consanguinity, and I didn't previously know
of their existence.
Unkie lived a long and happy life, healthy until near the end, and
died relatively quickly. It is sad, though, and I don't know what my
aunt will do now.
Michael Palmer
<j...@acm.org> wrote:
>http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/Kentucky/obituary.aspx?pid=128205666v
>
>Is there a name for the relationship between me and my aunt's nephews
>in Pasadena? There's no consanguinity, and I didn't previously know
>of their existence.
The technical term for a relative by marriage is "affine".
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chris....@utoronto.ca
> Is there a name for the relationship between me and my aunt's nephews
> in Pasadena? There's no consanguinity, and I didn't previously know
> of their existence.
in the words of Granny Clampett, "You'se kinfolk!"
> Unkie lived a long and happy life, healthy until near the end, and
> died relatively quickly. It is sad, though, and I don't know what my
> aunt will do now.
sorry to hear of your loss
Chris
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Jack Hamilton
wrote:
>On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:45:25 -0700, in soc.motss, Jack Hamilton
><j...@acm.org> wrote:
>
>>http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/Kentucky/obituary.aspx?pid=128205666v
>>
>>Is there a name for the relationship between me and my aunt's nephews
>>in Pasadena? There's no consanguinity, and I didn't previously know
>>of their existence.
>
>The technical term for a relative by marriage is "affine".
Thank you.
I'm pretty sure there's no special term in English for his son's
friend, though there might be in Hawaiian, nor for their dog.
TrekBear
You're likely 1st or 2nd cousins to each other.
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> > Is there a name for the relationship between me and my aunt's nephews
> > in Pasadena? There's no consanguinity, and I didn't previously know
> > of their existence.
>
> > Unkie lived a long and happy life, healthy until near the end, and
> > died relatively quickly. It is sad, though, and I don't know what my
> > aunt will do now.
TrekBear:
> You're likely 1st or 2nd cousins to each other.
...uh... "There's no consanguinity"
TrekBear
Even adopted family members are considered relatives as are those who
join a family by marriage - in-laws, you know. My younger brother is
adopted, and I don't consider him any less a part of my family!
Ellen Evans
TrekBear <jwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 10, 3:03?pm, rjwi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Jack Hamilton:
>>
>> > > Is there a name for the relationship between me and my aunt's nephews
>> > > of their existence. ?
>>
>> > > Unkie lived a long and happy life, healthy until near the end, and
>> > > aunt will do now.
>>
>> TrekBear:
>>
>> > You're likely 1st or 2nd cousins to each other.
>>
>> ...uh... "There's no consanguinity"
>
>Even adopted family members are considered relatives as are those who
>join a family by marriage
This may be your family's practice - it is by no means a universal or even
widespread practice. The question was about a commonly used word to mean
this particular relationship, not about your family's idiosyncratic uses.
My guess is there are languages that map this relationship: to my
knowledge English is not one of them.
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Julian
"my cousins' cousins." At least, that's what I assume
is meant. What I'm referring to are the children of
A, the sibling of B, and B is married to C, and C is the
sibling of my parent.
I'm actually close to those related to me through my
mother's family. I know some on the other side,
but not particularly well.
(I guarantee that the attribution chain here is messed up. I came
late to this party.)
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:56:13 +0000 (UTC), je...@panix.com (Ellen Evans)
wrote:
Piglet
>This may be your family's practice - it is by no means a universal or even
>widespread practice. The question was about a commonly used word to mean
>this particular relationship, not about your family's idiosyncratic uses.
>My guess is there are languages that map this relationship: to my
>knowledge English is not one of them.
In my version of English, that's a cousin.
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Jack Hamilton
wrote:
>je...@panix.com (Ellen Evans), in article <h0prod$48c$1...@reader1.panix.com>, dixit:
>>This may be your family's practice - it is by no means a universal or even
>>widespread practice. The question was about a commonly used word to mean
>>this particular relationship, not about your family's idiosyncratic uses.
>>My guess is there are languages that map this relationship: to my
>>knowledge English is not one of them.
>
>In my version of English, that's a cousin.
In my version, they are not, unless with some kind of qualifier (we're
all cousins eventually, in theory).
Rod Williams
> >This may be your family's practice - it is by no means a universal or even
> >widespread practice. The question was about a commonly used word to mean
> >this particular relationship, not about your family's idiosyncratic uses.
> >My guess is there are languages that map this relationship: to my
> >knowledge English is not one of them.
Piglet:
> In my version of English, that's a cousin.
I'll accept a “cousin,“ in a loose sense, just not a “first cousin“ or
a “second cousin,“ both of which are specific, consanguinous
relationships, viz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin
Willyboy
> Piglet:
>> Ellen:
>>> This may be your family's practice - it is by no means a
>>> universal or even widespread practice. The question was about a
>>> commonly used word to mean this particular relationship, not
>>> about your family's idiosyncratic uses. My guess is there are
>>> languages that map this relationship: to my knowledge English is
>>> not one of them.
>>>
>>
> or a �second cousin,� both of which are specific, consanguinous
> relationships, viz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin
>
We use "cousin" with full knowledge there's no formal blood
relation. It's just a way of acknowledging we're family in
an extended sense of the word.
Piglet
Well of course they're not a first or second or third cousin! I'd
have said so. Ditto first cousin once removed and the like.
If you wanted to be clearer, you could say 'kissing cousin'.
Explicitly *not* consanguinous.
Piglet
>If you wanted to be clearer, you could say 'kissing cousin'.
>Explicitly *not* consanguinous.
P.S. I am *shocked* by the freedictionary definition of 'kissing
cousin'. That is *not* what it means in my lexicon.
In my lexicon, a kissing cousin is one you're allowed to have sex
with. (Or, rather, marry, which is more to the point.) Distant
enough to not actually be related.
Jack Hamilton
wrote:
>pig...@panix.com (Piglet), in article <h0u4o2$hte$2...@reader1.panix.com>, dixit:
>>If you wanted to be clearer, you could say 'kissing cousin'.
>>Explicitly *not* consanguinous.
>
>P.S. I am *shocked* by the freedictionary definition of 'kissing
>cousin'. That is *not* what it means in my lexicon.
>
>In my lexicon, a kissing cousin is one you're allowed to have sex
>with. (Or, rather, marry, which is more to the point.) Distant
>enough to not actually be related.
That's my understanding as well. The Free Dictionary says:
1. A distant relative known well enough to be kissed when greeted.
2. One of two or more things that are closely akin.
A few other online dictionaries agree with the free dictionary. These
sites do not:
http://www.livescience.com/health/080207-kissing-cousins.html
http://www.livescience.com/health/080207-kissing-cousins.html
Kathryn
> TrekBear <jwa1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 10, 3:03?pm, rjwi...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Jack Hamilton:
>
> >> > > Is there a name for the relationship between me and my aunt's nephews
> >> > > in Pasadena? ?There's no consanguinity, and I didn't previously know
>
> >> > You're likely 1st or 2nd cousins to each other.
>
> >> ...uh... "There's no consanguinity"
>
> >Even adopted family members are considered relatives as are those who
> >join a family by marriage
>
> This may be your family's practice - it is by no means a universal or even
> widespread practice. The question was about a commonly used word to mean
> this particular relationship, not about your family's idiosyncratic uses.
> My guess is there are languages that map this relationship: to my
> knowledge English is not one of them.
Cousin covers a lot of territory, and most people would be fine using
it here, I think. Few will care about the level of cousinship.
Kathryn
>
> P.S. I am *shocked* by the freedictionary definition of 'kissing
> cousin'. That is *not* what it means in my lexicon.
>
> In my lexicon, a kissing cousin is one you're allowed to have sex
> with. (Or, rather, marry, which is more to the point.) Distant
> enough to not actually be related.
That's what my mama taught me
Kathryn
I think Miss Manners would say that if you want them to be your
cousins, then they are. If you don't feel like they're your cousins,
then you may be stuck with an explanatory phrase, "my aunt's nephews"
which you used here.
Unless you posit extraterrestrial intervention, I think it's safe to
say we are in fact all cousins eventually. The relationship is not all
that distant, actually, when you think about it.