Carmen Miranda
David A. Kaye
and times of Carmen Miranda is playing. Besides the gay male interest in
her life (she was the woman with the fruity hats who sang and danced
pseudo-Brazilian dances in Busby Berkeley movies in the 1930s and 40s),
there is also something of note: there is a male Carmen Miranda
impressionist who does scenes in the movie to fill in the parts where they
don't have footage of her. Interesting movie, I must say.
--
(c) 1996 Coalinga California was originally Coaling Station
David Kaye "A" of the Southern Pacific railroad
Brian Kane
David A. Kaye (d...@crl.com) wrote:
+At the Lumiere Theatre (California and Polk in SF) a movie about the life
+and times of Carmen Miranda is playing. Besides the gay male interest in
+her life (she was the woman with the fruity hats who sang and danced
+pseudo-Brazilian dances in Busby Berkeley movies in the 1930s and 40s),
+there is also something of note: there is a male Carmen Miranda
+impressionist who does scenes in the movie to fill in the parts where they
+don't have footage of her. Interesting movie, I must say.
It's called "Bananas Is My Business" and I saw it last summer when it
premiered in the Boston area. The director and her husband, the producer,
showed up as part of a benefit night and were to answer questions from
the audience after the film showed. When the lights came up after the
credits, they were nowhere to be seen!
I saw it in the Coolidge Corner Theatre in heavily Jewish Brookline.
When it became apparent the audience had been stiffed by the auteurs,
an old woman sitting next to me said "I bet they walked out because
we're Jewish!" Not likely, as the director and her husband were themselves
Jewish.
--
Brian Kane~~ka...@buast7.bu.edu~~http://buast7.bu.edu/~kane/
Tim Evanson
: and times of Carmen Miranda is playing. Besides the gay male interest in
: her life (she was the woman with the fruity hats who sang and danced
: pseudo-Brazilian dances in Busby Berkeley movies in the 1930s and 40s),
Hardly pseudo-Brazilian. She WAS Brazilian (Argentine?), and had a huge
career in Latin America before being discovered and brought to the US.
In fact, Hollywood types demanded she "tone down" the native dances,
lyrics, and rhythms in order to "fit with the maisntream" better. This
is clearly talked about in the movie, which also ran on PBS back in
November (I believe).
But then, what do I know...I'm trying to get HIV and hepatitis A.
: there is also something of note: there is a male Carmen Miranda
: impressionist who does scenes in the movie to fill in the parts where they
: don't have footage of her. Interesting movie, I must say.
Yes, it is.
Tim #1
--
David Morck
: David A. Kaye (d...@crl.com) wrote:
: : At the Lumiere Theatre (California and Polk in SF) a movie about the life
: : and times of Carmen Miranda is playing. Besides the gay male interest in
: : her life (she was the woman with the fruity hats who sang and danced
: : pseudo-Brazilian dances in Busby Berkeley movies in the 1930s and 40s),
: Hardly pseudo-Brazilian. She WAS Brazilian (Argentine?)
Brazilian.
: This
: is clearly talked about in the movie, which also ran on PBS back in
: November (I believe).
Yep, I remember Matt and I stumbling onto it quite by accident and
enjoying it.
IMO, it was sad that in the end, Carmen couldn't break away from the
typecasting in the US, and was reviled in some parts of Brazilian society
for "Selling out to the Americans". I quite enjoy her stuff, but then
again, I *am* gay...
later,
dave
--
David Morck
dmo...@mcs.com
a flying squirrel
>But then, what do I know...I'm trying to get HIV and hepatitis A.
I have re-read this within the context of your article at least five
times and still don't understand. Would you care to explain?
--
a flying squirrel skw...@mtcc.com
I like pleasure spiked with pain/music is my aeroplane. -- rhcp
Brian Kane
+Tim Evanson (teva...@netcom.com) wrote:
+:David A. Kaye (d...@crl.com) wrote:
+::At the Lumiere Theatre (California and Polk in SF) a movie about the life
+::and times of Carmen Miranda is playing. Besides the gay male interest in
+::her life (she was the woman with the fruity hats who sang and danced
+::pseudo-Brazilian dances in Busby Berkeley movies in the 1930s and 40s),
+:Hardly pseudo-Brazilian. She WAS Brazilian (Argentine?)
+Brazilian.
Actually, she was born in Portugal, but came to Brazil as
a child. After she left Rio de Janeiro for Hollywood, she
was maligned by the Brazilian press as a turncoat.
The dance numbers she did in Hollywood films probably *were*
adaptations of Brazilian folk dances.
--
Brian Kane~~ka...@buast7.bu.edu~~http://buast7.bu.edu/~kane/
David A. Kaye
" Actually, she was born in Portugal [....]
" The dance numbers she did in Hollywood films probably *were*
" adaptations of Brazilian folk dances.
Thank you, Brian. I'm vindicated once again. I guess people just aren't
used to someone who checks his facts before posting.
--
(c) 1996 pillion: the saddle behind the
David Kaye rider's seat on a motorcycle.
David Stevenson
>
>IMO, it was sad that in the end, Carmen couldn't break away from the
>typecasting in the US, and was reviled in some parts of Brazilian society
>for "Selling out to the Americans". I quite enjoy her stuff, but then
>again, I *am* gay...
>
one should visit the Carmen Miranda Museum, which
houses much memorabilia from her Hollywood films.
John Whiteside
d...@crl.com (David A. Kaye) wrote:
>Thank you, Brian. I'm vindicated once again. I guess people just aren't
>used to someone who checks his facts before posting.
It's true. Who is that guy, anyway, David?
==================================================
Please note my new email address
==================================================
John Whiteside | South End, Boston, Massachusetts
jo...@shore.net | http://www.shore.net/~johnw/
==================================================
David A. Kaye
" In a post, I mentioned it--and David Kaye accused me of
" WANTING to get hep A and HIV.
Dream on...so how many people do you think are out to get you?
--
(c) 1996 Finland holds an annual Wife Carrying Championship
David Kaye
Tim Evanson
: Tim Evanson <teva...@netcom.com> wrote:
: >But then, what do I know...I'm trying to get HIV and hepatitis A.
: I have re-read this within the context of your article at least five
: times and still don't understand. Would you care to explain?
I got hepatitis A last June when I ate tainted seafood while attending a
friend's graduation in Philadelphia. 5 others eating at the restaurant
got it, too. In a post, I mentioned it--and David Kaye accused me of
WANTING to get hep A and HIV.
Tim #1
--
John Whiteside
d...@crl.com (David A. Kaye) wrote:
>Tim Evanson wrote the quoted material below:
>
>" In a post, I mentioned it--and David Kaye accused me of
>" WANTING to get hep A and HIV.
>
>Dream on...so how many people do you think are out to get you?
David, I remember it quite clearly. It was a real low point, even by the
standards of your posts. You said some really insulting, offensive things
without any sort of provocation -- it was just out of blue -- and then
offered no apology or explanation when you were called on it.
We've all had our bad moments. Don't tell lies.
(By the way, if anyone can remember the thread name and/or roughly when it
happened, I can probably find it.)
Mike Reaser
: Tim Evanson wrote the quoted material below:
: " In a post, I mentioned it--and David Kaye accused me of
: " WANTING to get hep A and HIV.
: Dream on...so how many people do you think are out to get you?
David, you silly puppy. You *REPEATEDLY* accused Tim of WANTING to get
HIV when he mentioend that he had Hep A -- and you bolsterted your
specious "argument" with the "fact" that anyone who got Hep A *HAD* to
have engaged in rimming, and since Tim rimmed that meant he had a
death wish and wanted HIV.
Remember it, now, doofus?
--
-- Mike Reaser, Atl., GA B5/6 f+tw+cdvg+k+vs+l+ aka HickBear on IRC
rea...@netcom.com m...@spdcc.com m...@photobooks.atdc.gatech.edu
If at first you don't succeed, the bomb
squad should *not* be a career option.
David A. Kaye
" You said some really insulting, offensive things
" without any sort of provocation -- it was just out of blue --
No, he's been an annoying twerp. I realized many months ago that the
only way to deal with knotheads is to give them back what they give out.
Believe me, I'm not like this in person, but I've come to realize that
soc.motss is high theatre. I treat it as such because that's the way
I've been treated by people such as Tim.
" and then
" offered no apology or explanation when you were called on it.
I don't intend to apologize to an asshole, even though I was wrong. I
have no problem admitting I'm wrong when I am. But apologize to
Evanson? No way, Jose'.
--
(c) 1996 "Money is like manure; it works best when spread
David Kaye around." - Marjorie Post of Post/General Foods
David A. Kaye
" specious "argument" with the "fact" that anyone who got Hep A *HAD* to
" have engaged in rimming, and since Tim rimmed that meant he had a
" death wish and wanted HIV.
Yes, I was wrong. It was easy to think that Tim got Hepatitis from
rimming, since he hadn't mentioned anything about food poisoning until I
brought up the dangers of rimming. And I'll continue to say it today:
rimming is dangerous; you can get hepatitis from it.
Self-destruction: I see people who get into one destructive relationship
after another and just don't get it. This is the city where people join a
group called "Negatives Being Positive", made up of people who feel left
out because they don't have AIDS.
I've seen all kinds of self-destruction -- people who drink all night and
get beaten up in the park because they were too drunk to realize who they
were cruising. I've seen people who have colostony bags due to being
fisted while on drugs going overboard. I've seen people who will inhale
anything as long as it gets them high, could be butyl or could be lighter
fluid, they probably don't know or care.
I've seen a guy rimming a guy immediately after he took a shit. And I'm
to think Tim Evanson is any different? Remember, he didn't say anything
about his food poisoning until AFTER I had chastised him for rimming.
--
(c) 1996 Edison promoted the electric chair to show the
David Kaye dangers of AC current (a rival invention)
Greg Havican
:>
:>John Whiteside wrote the quoted material below:
:>
:>" You said some really insulting, offensive things
:>" without any sort of provocation -- it was just out of blue --
:>
:>No, he's been an annoying twerp. I realized many months ago that the
:>only way to deal with knotheads is to give them back what they give out.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So, are you going to come to the motss.con in Chicago so we can find out
for ourselves? (This is a serious question.)
Greg
Greg Havican / "You! Out of the pool!" -- gene police
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David A. Kaye
" So, are you going to come to the motss.con in Chicago so we can find out
" for ourselves? (This is a serious question.)
I've heard that Chicago is a fascinating place. However, I don't wish to
go cross-country; I especially don't want to do it when it's cold. If I
were to visit it would have to be in the summer when I can do lots of
other things. I like playing tourist.
If a motss.con were to be held in SF, San Jose, Santa Cruz, or somewhere
not far from me, I'm quite sure I'd come, regardless of season -- if for
no other reason than to be a total surprise. :)
--
(c) 1996 "No matter how rich you become, how famous or powerful,
David Kaye the size of your funeral will still largely depend on the
weather." -- Mike Pritchard
Matt Hydeman
> Tim Evanson wrote the quoted material below:
>
> " In a post, I mentioned it--and David Kaye accused me of
> " WANTING to get hep A and HIV.
>
> Dream on...so how many people do you think are out to get you?
Oh, please, David...own up to your own comments, would you?
You -did- say that. Be a man and admit it.
--Matt
Jeffrey William McKeough
>to think Tim Evanson is any different? Remember, he didn't say anything
>about his food poisoning until AFTER I had chastised him for rimming.
Because one person engaged in a certain behavior, it's safe to assume
that someone else did? Because Tim didn't indicate that he contracted
his illness in a manner that you found appropriate, you should assume
that he was a "guilty" victim? Because *you* would never stoop to
contract something so obviously indicitave of a moral deficiency,
you have some right to chastise those who do?
I would have thought it impossible that one statement could be so
politically, personally and intellectually offensive. You are a
horrid vile pig, David.
--
[] Jeffrey William McKeough
[] j...@spdcc.com (or my UMass addresses)
[] "what rubbish. what rot." - arnold zwicky
John Whiteside
d...@crl.com (David A. Kaye) wrote:
>Self-destruction: I see people who get into one destructive relationship
>after another and just don't get it. This is the city where people join a
>group called "Negatives Being Positive", made up of people who feel left
>out because they don't have AIDS.
>
>I've seen all kinds of self-destruction -- people who drink all night and
>get beaten up in the park because they were too drunk to realize who they
>were cruising. I've seen people who have colostony bags due to being
>fisted while on drugs going overboard. I've seen people who will inhale
>anything as long as it gets them high, could be butyl or could be lighter
>fluid, they probably don't know or care.
Such insight this gives you into the mind of a man in Washington, DC whom
you've never met!
>I've seen a guy rimming a guy immediately after he took a shit. And I'm
>to think Tim Evanson is any different?
!
My. my. oh my.
FJ!!
In article <4h60tf$1...@crl4.crl.com>, d...@crl.com (David A. Kaye) wrote:
>Tim Evanson wrote the quoted material below:
>" In a post, I mentioned it--and David Kaye accused me of
>" WANTING to get hep A and HIV.
>Dream on...so how many people do you think are out to get you?
...and in the next he implicitly admits it:
In article <4h7e9g$o...@crl12.crl.com>, David A. Kaye <d...@crl.com> wrote:
>John Whiteside wrote the quoted material below:
>" You said some really insulting, offensive things
>" without any sort of provocation -- it was just out of blue --
>No, he's been an annoying twerp. I realized many months ago that the
>only way to deal with knotheads is to give them back what they give out.
>Believe me, I'm not like this in person, but I've come to realize that
DAK's `mind' at work... Wheeeeeeeee!
FJ!!
Michael Thomas
> In message <4h7e9g$o...@crl12.crl.com> - d...@crl.com (David A. Kaye) writes:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> So, are you going to come to the motss.con in Chicago so we can find out
> for ourselves? (This is a serious question.)
Yet another lie. He's like this in person too.
Don't wish DAK on Chicago.
--
Michael Thomas (mi...@mtcc.com http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/)
Pass the bottle and damn the expense
I've heard it said by a man of sense
That the labouring classes could scarce live a day
If people like us didn't eat, drink and pay
-- A. H. Clough
Mike Reaser
> Mike Reaser wrote the quoted material below:
>
> " specious "argument" with the "fact" that anyone who got Hep A *HAD* to
> " have engaged in rimming, and since Tim rimmed that meant he had a
> " death wish and wanted HIV.
>
> Yes, I was wrong.
What? The *GREAT* and *GRAND* *DAVID* *A* *KAYE* admits he's **WRONG**?
I guess that next we'll see DeaconMac quit shilling for AOL.
> It was easy to think that Tim got Hepatitis from
> rimming, since he hadn't mentioned anything about food poisoning until I
> brought up the dangers of rimming. And I'll continue to say it today:
> rimming is dangerous; you can get hepatitis from it.
I don't believe anyone disputed these statements. Only how, based on his
report that he had Hepatitis, you insisted repeatedly that (a) Tim was
a confirmed rimmer and (b) because of this he had a "death wish" (your
words, David, not anyone else's).
I realize you're so conceptually challenged that you cannot see the
difference. Hopefully someday you will, but I put little hope in that.
[ .. yadda yadda I'm never wrong yadda yadda deleted .. ]
> I've seen a guy rimming a guy immediately after he took a shit. And I'm
> to think Tim Evanson is any different? Remember, he didn't say anything
> about his food poisoning until AFTER I had chastised him for rimming.
Because it was really none of your fucking business to go off on him about
how he contracted Hep A, but you insisted you would.
-- Mike Reaser, Atl., GA B5/6 f+tw+cdvg+k+vs+l+ aka HickBear on IRC
rea...@netcom.com m...@spdcc.com m...@photobooks.atdc.gatech.edu
What makes me think I could start clean slated
The hardest to learn was the least complicated -- Emily Saliers
Ken Rudolph
: I've heard that Chicago is a fascinating place. However, I don't wish to
: go cross-country; I especially don't want to do it when it's cold. If I
: were to visit it would have to be in the summer when I can do lots of
: other things. I like playing tourist.
The weather David has spoken. Chicago on June 1 is cold. Of course, it
is irrefutable that it is not yet summer on that date. But, cold? Has
there ever been a thaw by June 1 east of the Sierras?
: If a motss.con were to be held in SF, San Jose, Santa Cruz, or somewhere
: not far from me, I'm quite sure I'd come, regardless of season -- if for
: no other reason than to be a total surprise. :)
Oh, oh. There goes the idea of an S.F. con this century.
--
--Ken Rudolph aka Lex (ke...@netcom.com or k...@mtcc.com)
---->See you in Chicago, May 30-June 3<-----
Mike Reaser
> David A. Kaye (d...@crl.com) wrote:
> : If a motss.con were to be held in SF, San Jose, Santa Cruz, or somewhere
> : not far from me, I'm quite sure I'd come, regardless of season -- if for
> : no other reason than to be a total surprise. :)
>
> Oh, oh. There goes the idea of an S.F. con this century.
Or even (ObThreadTying) in this or the next millenium, regardless if that
next millenium starts in 2000 or 2001.
Bob Donahue
> DAK's `mind' at work... Wheeeeeeeee!
No no no --- Wheeeeeeeee! is a car wash on acid.
D?K's `mind' at work makes as much noise as that ex-washing
machine that's been sitting in my parents' basement for
the last 15 years.
BBC
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Brian Kane
John Whiteside (jo...@shore.net) wrote:
+In article <4h7gr4$p...@crl12.crl.com>,
+d...@crl.com (David A. Kaye) wrote:
+>I've seen a guy rimming a guy immediately after he took a shit. And I'm
+>to think Tim Evanson is any different?
+! My. my. oh my.
You're telling me, John! Tim is very queasy about that stuff!
Brian, who loves his wittle coprophobe!
--
Brian Kane~~ka...@buast7.bu.edu~~http://buast7.bu.edu/~kane/
Ken Rudolph
: Brian, who loves his wittle coprophobe!
Shouldn't that be "woves" and "wittew"?
David A. Kaye
" Because one person engaged in a certain behavior, it's safe to assume
" that someone else did?
Yes; rimming is a dirty act. Period. True, there are things one can do
to minimize the problems, but anyone whose favorite act is rimming, which
I understood Tim to mean, is likely not all that particular about hygene.
" Because Tim didn't indicate that he contracted
" his illness in a manner that you found appropriate, you should assume
" that he was a "guilty" victim?
Yes. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck,
it's likely to be a duck. It could be a goose, but it's likely to be a
duck.
" Because *you* would never stoop to
" contract something so obviously indicitave of a moral deficiency,
" you have some right to chastise those who do?
Morals have nothing to do with it. Obviously you have shit for brains if
you can read my posts over the past 3 years and come to THAT conclusion.
I never said Tim was immoral at all, and I'll say right now, that I don't
think Tim is immoral in his decision to rim people. I just think rimming
is a dumb thing to do (enjoyable, yes).
" I would have thought it impossible that one statement could be so
" politically, personally and intellectually offensive. You are a
" horrid vile pig, David.
I supposed I should be pleased you said, this; however, I'm slightly sad
that I can post for 3 years and see you come up with such a lame-assed
conclusion. Again, morals have nothing to do with one's sexual practices,
unless the practices involve a hidden agenda, as could very well happen in
incest situations and the like, where the issue isn't sex but hidden
power. It's sad that you have no idea what morality is about.
--
(c) 1996 San Francisco's original name was Yerba Buena,
David Kaye meaning "good herb" or "good grass"
David A. Kaye
" What? The *GREAT* and *GRAND* *DAVID* *A* *KAYE* admits he's **WRONG**?
Hey, shit-for-brains, guess who started the thread entitled "I Was Wrong"
about the Willie Brown Democratic Party political machine? If you have
read even HALF my posts over the years you'll know that I have no problem
whatsoever with admitting I'm wrong. I don't base my self-worth on
pretending I'm right. HOWEVER, just because lots of people may chastise
me for something I say does not make me wrong and them right.
" I don't believe anyone disputed these statements. Only how, based on his
" report that he had Hepatitis, you insisted repeatedly that (a) Tim was
" a confirmed rimmer and (b) because of this he had a "death wish" (your
" words, David, not anyone else's).
Absolutely true. I still think he has a death wish. There is no doubt
about it that rimming is fun. However, anybody with today's knowledge
about the kinds of parasites, e coli, and a dozen other maladies which can
(and do) arise from rimming and CONTINUES to do so, DOES in my opinion
have a death wish. That opinion has NOT changed. I used to rim. I
don't do so any longer, and haven't for some years, when I began to read
about the terrible consequences.
--
(c) 1996 "Drain" is a town in Oregon
David Kaye
David A. Kaye
" The weather David has spoken. Chicago on June 1 is cold. Of course, it
" is irrefutable that it is not yet summer on that date. But, cold? Has
" there ever been a thaw by June 1 east of the Sierras?
June? I thought the person was proposing March or April. I wasn't
following the thread, but someone asked me if I wanted to go to Chicago.
From the bits I read it sounded like this month or next.
" Oh, oh. There goes the idea of an S.F. con this century.
And guess what, jackoff. I'm not particularly interested in meeting you
assholes anyhow. If you held a motss.con near my home I might find the
time to drop in, but I'm sure as hell not going to go cross country to
meet you people. That's not *my* idea of fun.
--
(c) 1996 General Mills invented Betty Crocker in 1921 to provide
David Kaye "personalized" responses to customer letters.
Tim Evanson
: " You said some really insulting, offensive things
: " without any sort of provocation -- it was just out of blue --
: No, he's been an annoying twerp. I realized many months ago that the
: only way to deal with knotheads is to give them back what they give out.
: Believe me, I'm not like this in person, but I've come to realize that
: soc.motss is high theatre. I treat it as such because that's the way
: I've been treated by people such as Tim.
Ah, I'm an "annoying twerp." How so, David? I never ONCE spoke to you
before that thread..in fact, it wasn't directed at you. And gee, since
when does that justify accusati9ons of the sort YOU tossed out so cavalierly?
And despite your claim that soc.motss is "high theater"--I've never
treated it as such.
Tim #1
--
Tim Evanson
[snip]
: I've seen a guy rimming a guy immediately after he took a shit. And I'm
: to think Tim Evanson is any different? Remember, he didn't say anything
: about his food poisoning until AFTER I had chastised him for rimming.
And so you LEAPT IMMEDIATELY to the conlcusion that I got it by rimming?
You didn't even see fit to ASK me how I got it first? And not only that,
but I *wanted* to get hep A and HIV?
What nonsense runs through your head.
Tim #1
--
Tim Evanson
: " Because one person engaged in a certain behavior, it's safe to assume
: " that someone else did?
: Yes; rimming is a dirty act. Period. True, there are things one can do
: to minimize the problems, but anyone whose favorite act is rimming, which
: I understood Tim to mean, is likely not all that particular about hygene.
Do you make this up out of whole cloth? I never said rimming was my
favorite act. BEING FUCKED is.
ObAstroDoc: I wuv woo my widdle donkey-dicked studdy-wuddy!
: " Because Tim didn't indicate that he contracted
: " his illness in a manner that you found appropriate, you should assume
: " that he was a "guilty" victim?
: Yes. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck,
: it's likely to be a duck. It could be a goose, but it's likely to be a
: duck.
But because I signed off as "Tim #1 (trying to overcome his hep A)" (or
something like that), you IMMEDIATELY assumed I'd gotten sick from
oral-anal contact.
That is one amazing leap, DK.
[snip]
Tim 1
--
Tim Evanson
: ... I still think he has a death wish. ...
[snip]
NOW it is a death-wish? Not just a wish to get hep A or even HIV, now it
is an all-out DEATH WISH?
Lemme guess: You also advise the Neo-Nazis and white supremacists on
their responses to Ruby Ridge and Waco, right? "Remember, they ARE out
to get you!"
Tim #1
--
John Whiteside
d...@crl.com (David A. Kaye) wrote:
>" Because one person engaged in a certain behavior, it's safe to assume
>" that someone else did?
>
>Yes; rimming is a dirty act. Period.
Jeffrey Dahmer murdered young men, mutilated their bodies, and ate some of
their organs. Therefore, I conclude that David Kaye murders young men,
mutilated their bodies, and ate some of their organs.
>True, there are things one can do
>to minimize the problems, but anyone whose favorite act is rimming, which
>I understood Tim to mean, is likely not all that particular about hygene.
That's an interesting definition of "Tim." I thought it was a just a common
English-language name.
David, Tim said absolutely nothing at all about rimming, or even sex, in
the thread in question. This is your little fantasy, and isn't based on
anything that anyone said. It exists entirely inside your head, and I think
it's best kept there.
John Whiteside
d...@crl.com (David A. Kaye) wrote:
>" I don't believe anyone disputed these statements. Only how, based on his
>" report that he had Hepatitis, you insisted repeatedly that (a) Tim was
>" a confirmed rimmer and (b) because of this he had a "death wish" (your
>" words, David, not anyone else's).
>
>Absolutely true. I still think he has a death wish.
Because he ate a burrito?
Tim Evanson
: In article <4hbiq7$g...@crl14.crl.com>,
: d...@crl.com (David A. Kaye) wrote:
: >" I don't believe anyone disputed these statements. Only how, based on his
: >" report that he had Hepatitis, you insisted repeatedly that (a) Tim was
: >" a confirmed rimmer and (b) because of this he had a "death wish" (your
: >" words, David, not anyone else's).
: >
: >Absolutely true. I still think he has a death wish.
: Because he ate a burrito?
Actually, it was sitr-fry shrimp with noodles. :) And pretty good ones,
if I recall right. Only the aftereffects were kinda nasty...
As they'd be if I ate a burrito. :)
SEE YA!
Tim #1
--
BuggboyDC
>Jeffrey William McKeough wrote the quoted material below:
>
>" that someone else did?
>
>I understood Tim to mean, is likely not all that particular about hygene.
GIven my continued enjoyment of rimming as part of my sexual life, I
hesitate to call you an asshole. You sound exactly like the xian fundies
who run around claiming that all gay men eat a certain number of pounds
and ounces of shit per year. It may come as a surprise to you (which,
judging from your posts, probably happens quite often),
but many people prefer to shower or otherwise "get clean" before sticking
their tongue up someone's butt.
I can't believe that instead of pronoucing rimming a dirty act, you
haven't been encouraging gay men to get hepatitis A and B vaccines. Since
you won't I will: Everybody, go get vaccinnated! It will be one of the
best things you've ever done for your health.
Hepatitis B, by the way, is transferred through sexual acts other than
rimming, and is far, far more communicable than HIV.
>
>" Because Tim didn't indicate that he contracted
>" his illness in a manner that you found appropriate, you should assume
>" that he was a "guilty" victim?
>
>Yes. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck,
>it's likely to be a duck. It could be a goose, but it's likely to be a
>duck.
If he writes like a quack, reasons like a quack, and pontificates like a
quack, he's likely to be a quack.
You meet all of these qualifications.
>
>" Because *you* would never stoop to
>" contract something so obviously indicitave of a moral deficiency,
>" you have some right to chastise those who do?
>
>Morals have nothing to do with it. Obviously you have shit for brains if
>you can read my posts over the past 3 years and come to THAT conclusion.
>I never said Tim was immoral at all, and I'll say right now, that I don't
>think Tim is immoral in his decision to rim people. I just think rimming
>is a dumb thing to do (enjoyable, yes).
I'm sorry, but if it's do dumb and dirty, how would you know it's
enjoyable? Is it different when someone sticks his (or her) tongue up
*your* butt?
>
>" I would have thought it impossible that one statement could be so
>" politically, personally and intellectually offensive. You are a
>" horrid vile pig, David.
>
>I supposed I should be pleased you said, this; however, I'm slightly sad
>that I can post for 3 years and see you come up with such a lame-assed
>conclusion. Again, morals have nothing to do with one's sexual
practices,
>unless the practices involve a hidden agenda, as could very well happen
in
>incest situations and the like, where the issue isn't sex but hidden
>power. It's sad that you have no idea what morality is about.
>
It's sad that you have no idea what sexually tranmitted diseases are
about. Some of the crap you've been spouting in this thread is plain
stupid and dangerous.
Sean, who can't believe D*K would make assumptions about my hygiene
Bugg...@aol.com
Helpful Etiquette Hint: You should always deflect your trick's unexpected
requests graciously. For example: "I'm sorry. I'm all out of matches. Do
you like Cool Whip?"
Sean Bugg
Matt Hydeman
> David A. Kaye (d...@crl.com) sputtered:
> : Yes; rimming is a dirty act. Period. True, there are things one can do
> : to minimize the problems, but anyone whose favorite act is rimming, which
> : I understood Tim to mean, is likely not all that particular about hygene.
> That is one amazing leap, DK.
More like he needs to take a flying one, Tim, love....
--Matt
BrianShore
I thought this thread was actually going to be about Carmen Miranda or
maybe Camp.
Ho, hum just more dishing, flameing and posturing.
Will the real Carmen Miranda thread please shout "Chicky-Boom-Chicky-Boom"
and shake it's marakas? <g>
Brian
Brian...@aol.com
Rod Williams
>Must you destroy all illusions? Sure, it's nice to meet others, but
>it changes the on-line perception afterwards. Especially with DAK,
>the image I have is so delicious that I don't want to give it up by
>meeting him.
Ain't that the truth. Actually, I saw someone at the
Media & Democracy Congress the other night (BTW, the Left
really is in disarray :-() that I was *sure* must be DAK,
but I was afraid to ask (in case I was right). That's
only happened with me once before with motss.people (before
the advent of gifs anyway), when I decided correctly that
the shaved-headed, tattooed, pierced person in the "Jesus
Shaves" t-shirt at the MOW93 meeting could only be Jeff
Dauber.
The very first motss.person I met was Steve Dyer -- back in
1985 or so -- and he didn't look at all like the Mr. Rogers
and McLean Stevenson's love-child I was expecting...
Rod
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Bob Donahue
> June? I thought the person was proposing March or April.
You were wrong: WRONG WRONG WRONG (titter).
> I wasn't
> following the thread, but
... felt compelled to inflict the OofC on the group anyway...
> someone asked me if I wanted to go to Chicago.
> From the bits I read it sounded like this month or next.
>
> " Oh, oh. There goes the idea of an S.F. con this century.
>
> And guess what, jackoff. I'm not particularly interested in meeting you
> assholes anyhow.
There is no "you" here. There is an "us". *We* are
having *our* annual event, in Chicago, in late May. If you're
so moved to place *us* as "you assholes", then why don't you
go post to *your* group - wherever that may be - and let "us
assholes" get along with *our* lives, in much the way that we
happily did before anyone had ever HEARD of D*v*d K*y* (does
"y" count as a vowel? --- OK make that D*v*d K*?* just to be
sure).
> If you held a motss.con near my home I might find the
> time to drop in,
Oh please - don't put yourself out. Dragging that
huge cerebrum around everywhere must be hell - surely
it's hard enough getting it around on public transportation
since you think that moving a bus route one block constitutes
cutting off all bus access to the glorious Castro (or something
to that effect).
> but I'm sure as hell not going to go cross country to
> meet you people. That's not *my* idea of fun.
Wonderful - now we know that we'll never have to
worry about everyone being SO bored and depressed after
meeting you face-to-face that there's a mass suicide of
motss-folk a la Jamestown.
Here's an idea - why don't you go off to alt.politics.libertarian or
something - you know like a
loony exchange program! I hear they're one short of a
full set of loonies, and I'd hate to think that we were
hoarding something as VALUABLE a resource as *THE ORACLE OF
THE CASTRO* from the rest of the USENET universe!
Make the circuit - show the rest of USENET that
soc.motss isn't free from it's own resident loonies!
Share the wealth! Fly! Fly! Fly!
Or, if you choose to stay - at least *contribute*
something.
Greg Parkinson
> Christian Molick wrote the quoted material below:
> " > This is the city where people join a group called "Negatives Being
> " > Positive", made up of people who feel left out because they don't
> " > have AIDS.
> " That's a spite-filled way of looking at things.
> No, it's not. One of my closest friends was a member of that group for
> nearly 2 years and came to that conclusion on his own. I happened to
> wind up at one of their parties and I couldn't help but think he was
> right. I'm not spiteful at all; I just think it's a dangerous for our
> emotional wellbeing to have so much AIDS around, and some people continue
> to do very risky things thinking AIDS won't strike them. Well, damnit,
> it's struck nearly 6 DOZEN people I've known as friends or acquaintances.
Was this supposed to make sense?
-----------------------------------------------------
Greg Parkinson
g...@cinenet.net
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Robert S. Coren
Bob Donahue <don...@skepsis.com> wrote:
>Robert S. Coren wrote:
>
>! In article <31404DFB...@skepsis.com>,
>! Bob Donahue <don...@skepsis.com> wrote:
>! > Wonderful - now we know that we'll never have to
>! >worry about everyone being SO bored and depressed after
>! >meeting you face-to-face that there's a mass suicide of
>! >motss-folk a la Jamestown.
>
>! Er, no... you must be thinking of the Lost Colony of
>! Roanoke. Jamestown survived. (Yes, Santa Claus, there *is* a
>! Virginia.)
>
> Actually, neither. I was thinking Jonestown in Guyana.
Well, yes, I rather thought so. I thought my interpretation was more
interesting, however.
>Beware grape Pop-Tarts.
I shun all Pop-Tarts. (I'm talking about artificial pastry here, so
all you Daddy-Sluts can relax.)
--
-------Robert Coren (co...@spdcc.com)-------------------------
"Pass a moose through a fine sieve, add 3 beaten egg whites and a
cup of light cream. Stir thoroughly and put into individual
ramekins. Serves 53, more or less." -- Robert Gilbert, _Moose Mousse_
David A. Kaye
" Is this group encouraging suicide through sex? If not, what does this have
" to do with the group?
All I can say is what I experienced at one of their gatherings. People
generally seemed to feel they with they'd gotten AIDS so that they
wouldn't feel left out.
There's something else, too, though. People with AIDS seem to get a lot
more attention here because there are so many support groups set up for
them, so many charity fundraisers for them, etc. So, while I think it's
a *very* unhealthy thing for a group like Negatives Being Positive to
exist, I can sort of see why some people feel upset about being ignored
in the gay community (such as it is).
--
(c) 1996 Unions once made America the richest country of the world.
David Kaye
Tim Wilson
writes:
>When do we get to tell him about Frosted Cheerios?
Or that they taste just like Alpha-Bits?
--
Tim Wilson <t-wi...@memphis.edu>
David A. Kaye
" You are talking to the man who thought the Quilt was unhealthy
" because it reminded people too much of the ones they lost instead of
" allowing them to just get over it.
I still feel this way; and I am not alone. It is also a major reason why
the Quilt's founder, Cleve Jones, left the group. The Quilt never ends.
There won't be a time when the Quilt can be put away as finished. It's
made up of panels of grief. People cry when they see it. They feel bad
afterwards. Crying is not necessarily a healing function; often it simply
opens old wounds and actually slows the healing process. I think I know a
little something about this, having lost many friends to AIDS. There are
a couple panels I see that cause the grief to come back -- 10 years later.
At one time I owned a business accross from the Quilt's headquarters. It
got so bad that I couldn't even walk on that side of the street.
Yes, I do believe that people (in order to be healthy, that is) must move
on, rather than dwell on the past.
Kenneth Ashton Callicott
>Mike Jankulak (xx...@freenet3.carleton.ca) wrote:
>: Kenneth Ashton Callicott <kac...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>: >Does Alpha-Bits cereal have cereal "Y"s in addition to the
>: >marshmallow ones?
>: Waitafrigginminute -- Alpha-Bits has *marshmallows* now? First
>: they come up with purple and green Froot Loops, and now *this*?
>
>I think Callicott's wrong about the Alpha-Bits, though. I hope so.
Good Grief, Charlie Fulton! Come into the 90s! Marshmallow
Alpha-Bits is old news; they're now pushing the two-tone
marshmallows (A, E, I, O, U, and Y only, though). Has anyone
yet checked whether there are cereal Ys?
Ken, cereal poster.
--
Ken Callicott Hopkins Marine Station kac...@leland.stanford.edu
"Seems Foo Foo met up with some bikers at Rico's, and I'm telling you,
if the clown has a natural enemy, it's bikers!"
--Dave Louapre and Dan Sweetman, _A Cotton Candy Autopsy_
Matt Hydeman
> John Whiteside wrote the quoted material below:
>
> " So when you hear that someone has Hep A, you conclude that it's from
> " rimming, even though you know that other vectors are more common?
>
> When he makes a point of saying that he rims, as Tim did at the time,
> yes, I do conclude exactly that.
It simply amazes me that you wear such blinders, David.
Did it ever occur to you to ASK Tim rather than to assume?
Oh...I'm sorry, I forgot -- you're David A. Kaye! The man who can
say and do no wrong! How silly of me....
--Matt, amazed at the stupidity of DAK....
John Dorrance
> I want HIV- people to get on with their lives and not dwell on the guilt
> they feel about being HIV- and not having died or whatever. I just think
> it's unhealthy, and symptomatic of a desire (certainly one very strong in
> the gay community here) to create a cult of "victimization". There are
> thousands of social groups these people could join; why they need to join
> one which is specifically about people who feel bad about not having AIDS
> is beyond me.
Because they're different from you. So deal. Not everyone is as good at
coping as you seem to think you are. Maybe they're people without a wide
circle of gay friends, and they need to go to a place declared as grieving-
safe or whatever so they can commiserate with people without going to a
bar and having a crying drunk. Not everyone is just like you, or has the
same life experiences as you. Accept that, and let people do what they
need to.
> " > Well, damnit,
> " > it's struck nearly 6 DOZEN people I've known as friends or acquaintances.
>
> " Oh David, don't be so whiny.
>
> I believe that one sentence summed you up succinctly.
I don't believe you got the point. If these people shouldn't dwell on their
friends' deaths, why do you get to do so?
John
BuggboyDC
>John Dorrance wrote the quoted material below:
>
>" What do you want? For these people to just shut up and die, already?
>
>I want HIV- people to get on with their lives and not dwell on the guilt
>they feel about being HIV- and not having died or whatever. I just think
>it's unhealthy, and symptomatic of a desire (certainly one very strong in
>the gay community here) to create a cult of "victimization". There are
>thousands of social groups these people could join; why they need to join
>one which is specifically about people who feel bad about not having AIDS
>is beyond me.
This makes as much sense as telling someone who is clinically depressed to
"just cheer up."
I suggest you do some reading, in particular Walt Odet's book "Life in the
Shadows: Being HIV Negative in the Age of AIDS."
Admitting that one has a problem and taking steps to deal with it is not a
sign of victim envy. And given the increased rates of HIV transmission
among young gay men, I would suggest you shut up, get on with your life,
and leave the issue to those of us trying to do something about it.
BTW, you may want to stop implying in your posts that rimming is a major
vector for HIV disease. For those worried about hepatitis A and B, get
vaccinated, or stop eating shellfish and butt, or use a dental damn.
Sean, feeling a little cranky
David Stevenson
>" You are talking to the man who thought the Quilt was unhealthy
>" because it reminded people too much of the ones they lost instead of
>" allowing them to just get over it.
>
>I still feel this way; and I am not alone. It is also a major reason why
>the Quilt's founder, Cleve Jones, left the group. The Quilt never ends.
>There won't be a time when the Quilt can be put away as finished. It's
>made up of panels of grief. People cry when they see it. They feel bad
>afterwards. Crying is not necessarily a healing function; often it simply
>opens old wounds and actually slows the healing process. I think I know a
>little something about this, having lost many friends to AIDS. There are
>a couple panels I see that cause the grief to come back -- 10 years later.
>At one time I owned a business accross from the Quilt's headquarters. It
>got so bad that I couldn't even walk on that side of the street.
>
1. denial
2. anger
3. bargaining
4. depression
5. acceptance
DAK: 1<-->2 infinite loop
Michael Thomas
> on, rather than dwell on the past.
Last night at dinner, I was taking bets that the real
reason that you have lunch at Orphan Andy's every
Wednesday and subject yourself to those Biphobic Stares,
is so that you can trot over to the Names Project across
the street to yell:
"Hey! You crybabies! GET A LIFE!"
Even at 5:1 odds, there were no takers.
--
Michael Thomas (mi...@mtcc.com http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/)
Pass the bottle and damn the expense
I've heard it said by a man of sense
That the labouring classes could scarce live a day
If people like us didn't eat, drink and pay
-- A. H. Clough
John Whiteside
d...@crl.com (David A. Kaye) wrote:
>Yes, I do believe that people (in order to be healthy, that is) must move
>on, rather than dwell on the past.
And no one is more qualified than David to decide when it's time to move
on!
David A. Kaye
" And no one is more qualified than David to decide when it's time to move
" on!
Because I'm saying things that others are too PC to say?
Melinda Shore
>In message <Do8uw...@mtcc.com> - skw...@mtcc.com (a flying squirrel)Thu,
>:>PC would be the next level up for you, hon. I'd venture a guess
>:>you are (still) more at the level of Commodore 64 or perhaps an
>:>IMSAI 8080.
>Altair.
I can think of few things more utterly nauseating than
toggling in his bootstrap.
--
Melinda Shore - No Mountain Software - sh...@nomt.com
If you send me harassing email, I'll probably post it
Tim Evanson
: " And no one is more qualified than David to decide when it's time to move
: " on!
: Because I'm saying things that others are too PC to say?
You're saying things others are too SMART to say.
Tim #1
--
Greg Havican
:>
:>David A. Kaye <d...@crl.com> wrote:
:>>John Whiteside wrote the quoted material below:
:>>
:>>" And no one is more qualified than David to decide when it's time to
move
:>>" on!
:>>
:>>Because I'm saying things that others are too PC to say?
:>PC would be the next level up for you, hon. I'd venture a guess
:>you are (still) more at the level of Commodore 64 or perhaps an
:>IMSAI 8080.
Altair.
Greg
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Sim Aberson
>:>you are (still) more at the level of Commodore 64 or perhaps an
>:>IMSAI 8080.
>
>Altair.
Counting stones.
--
Heaven help me, eh? I'm posting from a computer in Ottawa, eh?
a flying squirrel
>John Whiteside wrote the quoted material below:
>
>" And no one is more qualified than David to decide when it's time to move
>" on!
>
>Because I'm saying things that others are too PC to say?
PC would be the next level up for you, hon. I'd venture a guess
you are (still) more at the level of Commodore 64 or perhaps an
IMSAI 8080.
--
a flying squirrel skw...@mtcc.com
"When you are fascinated with the world, the world is fascinated
with you." -- Stephanie Smith
Mike Reaser
: In article <4i9el0$9...@nntp-1.io.com>, Greg Havican <Greg.H...@io.com> wrote:
: >In message <Do8uw...@mtcc.com> - skw...@mtcc.com (a flying squirrel)Thu,
: >:>you are (still) more at the level of Commodore 64 or perhaps an
: >:>IMSAI 8080.
: >Altair.
: Counting stones.
A baby's number blocks.
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rea...@netcom.com m...@spdcc.com m...@photobooks.atdc.gatech.edu
If at first you don't succeed, the bomb
squad should *not* be a career option.
Matt Hydeman
> John Whiteside wrote the quoted material below:
>
> " And no one is more qualified than David to decide when it's time to move
> " on!
>
> Because I'm saying things that others are too PC to say?
Heh. Now -that- was a funny one, David.
--Matt, un-PC and proud of it.
William A. Parsons
Hey everybody, it's one of David Kaye's PVT EMAIL guys!
-Will
Matt Hydeman
Will, honey, I'd sooner have my genitals pierced with a dull
knitting needle than to be one of DAK's *anythings*.
I have standards, you see.
--Matt
William A. Parsons
: On 27 Mar 1996, William A. Parsons wrote:
: > Matt Hydeman (voy...@falcon.cc.ukans.edu) wrote:
: > : On 13 Mar 1996, David A. Kaye wrote:
: > : > Because I'm saying things that others are too PC to say?
: > : Heh. Now -that- was a funny one, David.
: > : --Matt, un-PC and proud of it.
: > Hey everybody, it's one of David Kaye's PVT EMAIL guys!
: Will, honey, I'd sooner have my genitals pierced with a dull
: knitting needle than to be one of DAK's *anythings*.
: I have standards, you see.
Actually, I don't.
-Will
Charlie Fulton
: William A. Parsons <wpa...@larry.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
: >Matt Hydeman (voy...@falcon.cc.ukans.edu) wrote:
: >
: >Actually, I don't.
: Neither does Bug, if you believe the DC.con quotes file.
And neither of them are missing a thing.
Chuck, standards-disaffected
--
Charlie Fulton---foultone@mtcc.com---http://www.mtcc.com/~foultone/
"Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun."
Montgomery Burns
William A. Parsons
: William A. Parsons <wpa...@larry.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
: >Matt Hydeman (voy...@falcon.cc.ukans.edu) wrote:
: >: I have standards, you see.
: >Actually, I don't.
: Neither does Bug, if you believe the DC.con quotes file.
I don't *see* his standards!!!
Jeez, you Canadians are such trouble.
-Will
Ann Burlingham
>And neither of them are missing a thing.
Neither is.
>Chuck, standards-disaffected
Ann, who has standards for Charlie
--
Ann Burlingham (an...@cris.com, ax...@po.cwru.edu)
You can't just say, "I don't want to get involved."
The universe got you involved. -Hal Lipset, P.I.
Charlie Fulton
: >And neither of them are missing a thing.
: Neither is.
Bitch, shut up!
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