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My cat, the conceptual artist

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Alex Elliott

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Jun 25, 2003, 2:42:00 PM6/25/03
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Over the past 18 months or so, one of our cats has developed a habit of
dragging clothes around the apartment when no one is home. Eventually, we
started noticing patterns (he had a few favorite places to leave the
clothes, he tended to arrange multiple articles of clothing near each
other, etc.), so we decided that he's actually expressing his artistic
vision and we've started referring to these clothing displays as
"installations." Recently, he created an installation of startling
artistic maturity (and significant motss content), so I took a picture of
it with the artist posing proudly alongside and threw together a quickie
webpage devoted to this masterpiece:

http://www.panix.com/~elliott/catart.html

Alex.

Robert S. Coren

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Jun 25, 2003, 4:28:17 PM6/25/03
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In article <bdcqdo$j9m$1...@panix1.panix.com>,
Alex Elliott <alex.e...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>http://www.panix.com/~elliott/catart.html

Very cute. Might I suggest using photoshop (or whatever comes to hand)
to brighten the picture just a tad?
--
---Robert Coren (co...@panix.com)------------------------------------
"Climate is what we expect, weather is what we get." -- R. A. Heinlein

Ann Burlingham

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Jun 25, 2003, 5:30:58 PM6/25/03
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you need to get out m^H^H publish.

Will

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Jun 25, 2003, 9:15:15 PM6/25/03
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Robert S. Coren wrote:
> In article <bdcqdo$j9m$1...@panix1.panix.com>,
> Alex Elliott <alex.e...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>http://www.panix.com/~elliott/catart.html
>
>
> Very cute. Might I suggest using photoshop (or whatever comes to hand)
> to brighten the picture just a tad?

Find the flaw.


Alex Elliott

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Jun 27, 2003, 5:10:43 PM6/27/03
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In article <250620032226185246%sp...@spacemoose.com.invalid>,

Joon <sp...@spacemoose.com.invalid> wrote:
>In article <bdcqdo$j9m$1...@panix1.panix.com>, Alex Elliott
><ell...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.panix.com/~elliott/catart.html
>
>"Yogurt! Hyk, hyk, hyk, bleeeeauuurgh!!"
>
>yeah, I got one of those too.

R2 is irresistably attracted to yogurt, but every time he manages to steal
some, he throws up in under a minute. The first time it happened I
chalked it up to a learning experience. After that, I decided that it's
a form of performance art, which is why it got a title and everything.

>and before I covered the litter box, "poops: aimless, scattered,
>desultory" was another occasional installation.

The other cat used to get high-velocity projectile kitty diarrhea, which
was kind of Jasper Johnsish all over the bathroom walls, but it's much
more pleasant for everyone involved to just not feed her wet food.

Alex.

@coxdot.net KiloDelate

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Jun 29, 2003, 12:06:58 AM6/29/03
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In article <280620030232387484%sp...@spacemoose.com.invalid>,
sp...@spacemoose.com.invalid says...

> d maybe there's something to that IAMS cat food b.

Ok, IAMS dry is fine, IAMS wet however produces waste that smells awful.
I only feed my three IAMS dry.

But my eldest cat eats food without chewing - why I don't know. He'll
gorge himself on the food and then puke it up again. Vet says there
isn't a thing wrong with him, other than the fact he likes to gulp his
food down. The vet does assure me that the size of the food is small
enough that any cat could swallow it whole and not suffer any
consequence from it.

Brian Kane

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Jun 29, 2003, 11:32:24 AM6/29/03
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Joon:
>[fat-ass] caught on to this trick and took off running,
>leaving a ten-foot trail of cat-sick on the carpet. I
>got soooo sick of cleaning up his puke.

Cats can be so endearing, no? There was one occasion when
on a hot afternoon, after being absent for a few hours, Phoebe
came up to me in the back yard and presented me with a baby
rabbit's foot. When I recoiled in horror, she just looked
at me like "it's a gift, you idiot, aren't you going to eat
it?" (Oh, OK, I guess it *does* beat mouse entrails.)

And then there was the time when I arrived home one day
and she trotted up to me an did her dance-around-the-leg-feed-
me-you-fool thing, only this time she opened her mouth to
let out a meowl and out popped a monarch butterfly. Well, she
went crazy leaping around the yard trying to recapture it.

Meanwhile, I went inside to change out of my work clothes.
I returned to the kitchen, with full fiew of the back yard
and Phoebe lying there patiently under a tree, so I began
the timeless ritual of scooping cat food and watching her
try to claw down the screen porch door to get to it. I let
her in and put her bowl down before her, but instead of the
usual headlong dive into the vittles, she sat down, looked
up at me, and burped out another fluttering butterfly.

I never knew that butterflies could fly so well indoors,
covered in cat saliva.
--
Brian Kane (Washington, DC) | Sad-eyed baby I'm not that kind of girl
astroplace.com/brian.asp | When the dice stop rolling, there's no
>bri...@SPAMastroplace.com<| more to the game :::: Stephin Merritt


David W. Fenton

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Jun 29, 2003, 3:11:35 PM6/29/03
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osc-admin @cox dot .net (KiloDelate) wrote in
<MPG.19682ff0b...@news.east.cox.net>:

>In article <280620030232387484%sp...@spacemoose.com.invalid>,
>sp...@spacemoose.com.invalid says...
>
>> d maybe there's something to that IAMS cat food b.
>
>Ok, IAMS dry is fine, IAMS wet however produces waste that smells
>awful. I only feed my three IAMS dry.

I think your cats are probably very happy that you don't hose them
down before feeding them.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

@coxdot.net KiloDelate

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Jun 30, 2003, 2:41:27 AM6/30/03
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In article <Xns93A9750B...@199.184.165.240>,
bri...@SPAMastroplace.com says...

> Joon:
> >[fat-ass] caught on to this trick and took off running,
> >leaving a ten-foot trail of cat-sick on the carpet. I
> >got soooo sick of cleaning up his puke.
>
> Cats can be so endearing, no? There was one occasion when
> on a hot afternoon, after being absent for a few hours, Phoebe
> came up to me in the back yard and presented me with a baby
> rabbit's foot. When I recoiled in horror, she just looked
> at me like "it's a gift, you idiot, aren't you going to eat
> it?" (Oh, OK, I guess it *does* beat mouse entrails.)

Well, around here a mouse doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. The
6.5lb cat named Emily aka The Black Terror makes damned sure that any
mouse who invades our space is promptly killed, gutted and stuffed
somewhere for later retrieval.

Always amusing when you're about to sit on the couch and find a dry
hollowed mouse body there - an offering to the chief cats of the house.

Cosimo is a mouser too - except he's too damned fat to move fast enough.
It's funny watching him though. Oh, had I mentioned that he and Emily
are secret lovers? They'll hiss at each other like crazy and then I'll
find them curled up together.

Cats - life would be much less interesting without them.

Michael Sarris

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Jun 30, 2003, 8:00:49 PM6/30/03
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Joon wrote:
> In article <MPG.19682ff0b...@news.east.cox.net>, KiloDelate <

> @cox> wrote:
>
>>But my eldest cat eats food without chewing - why I don't know. He'll
>>gorge himself on the food and then puke it up again. Vet says there
>>isn't a thing wrong with him, other than the fact he likes to gulp his
>>food down. The vet does assure me that the size of the food is small
>>enough that any cat could swallow it whole and not suffer any
>>consequence from it.
>
> fat-ass (a prior large cat who ended up as coyote lunch) used to gorge
> and snort his food, then yack it up minutes later as it expanded in his
> swinging belly. it got to the point where I'd hear him going "yaaaack
> glaaaaaaack glak ack ack" and I'd grab him and hold him over the
> nearest convenience (sink, toilet, bucket, whatever) til he caught on

> to this trick and took off running, leaving a ten-foot trail of
> cat-sick on the carpet. I got soooo sick of cleaning up his puke.

What I don't understand is that a cat who is smart enough to figure
out what a can opener does, and seems to have this mysterious
ability to know when we are using it (and it's *not* an electric one)
can be so dense that he doesn't associate overeating with throwing
up and subsequently getting thrown out of the house.

Michael, hey, I think I'll overeat and barf all over the carpet AGAIN!
--
Michael Sarris -- mund...@hotmail.com
"And nobody cares if she pounds on the sand
If she throws up or grows up or digs up a man"
-- Kami Lyle, "Blue Cinderella"

Sim Aberson

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Jul 9, 2003, 10:47:32 PM7/9/03
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In article <I14Ma.7357$E5....@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>,

Michael Sarris <mund...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What I don't understand is that a cat who is smart enough to figure
>out what a can opener does, and seems to have this mysterious
>ability to know when we are using it (and it's *not* an electric one)
>can be so dense that he doesn't associate overeating with throwing
>up and subsequently getting thrown out of the house.
>
>Michael, hey, I think I'll overeat and barf all over the carpet AGAIN!

One could, of course, rephrase this as "Hey, I think I'll feed the cat
too much food AGAIN!"

Sim, and then blame the cat for the results!
--
Guns were not for girls. They were for boys. They were invented by
boys. They were invented by boys who had never gotten over their
disappointment that accompanying their own orgasm wasn't a big BOOM
sound. Lorrie Moore

C.L. Lassiter

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Jul 10, 2003, 8:57:17 AM7/10/03
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Sim Aberson <abe...@panix.com> wrote:

> Sim, and then blame the cat for the results!

It's *always* the cat's fault.

cl, whose Sam has been insane the past 3 nights and hasn't let cl sleep a
wink

Mike McKinley

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Jul 10, 2003, 9:18:38 AM7/10/03
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Sim Aberson wrote:

>In article <I14Ma.7357$E5....@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>,
>Michael Sarris <mund...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>What I don't understand is that a cat who is smart enough to figure
>>out what a can opener does, and seems to have this mysterious
>>ability to know when we are using it (and it's *not* an electric one)
>>can be so dense that he doesn't associate overeating with throwing
>>up and subsequently getting thrown out of the house.
>>
>>Michael, hey, I think I'll overeat and barf all over the carpet AGAIN!
>>
>>
>One could, of course, rephrase this as "Hey, I think I'll feed the cat
>too much food AGAIN!"
>
>Sim, and then blame the cat for the results!
>
>

So, darling, should I be plucking a cock to assuage the assault of
Claudette on these shores?

--
Vera incessu patuit dea
(By her walk, the goddess was revealed)
Vergil, The Aeneid

Sim Aberson

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Jul 10, 2003, 9:57:07 AM7/10/03
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In article <bejp2i$phs$1...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,

Mike McKinley <mpmck...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> So, darling, should I be plucking a cock to assuage the assault of
>Claudette on these shores?

Indeed. Possibly lots of rain.

Sim

Cobra Woman

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Jul 10, 2003, 2:46:54 PM7/10/03
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Mike McKinley <mpmck...@mail.utexas.edu> writes:
> So, darling, should I be plucking a cock to assuage the assault of
>Claudette on these shores?

Plucking? Is this supposed to be part of the sacrifice?

Cobra [out of thin air?] Woman

--
Cobra Woman is Mara Chibnik
Panix - m...@panix.com Personal - ma...@panix.com
Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Mike McKinley

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Jul 10, 2003, 4:02:23 PM7/10/03
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Cobra Woman wrote:

>Mike McKinley <mpmck...@mail.utexas.edu> writes:
> > So, darling, should I be plucking a cock to assuage the assault of
> >Claudette on these shores?
>
>Plucking? Is this supposed to be part of the sacrifice?
>
>Cobra [out of thin air?] Woman
>
>

Darling, you don't want to know where they come from.

Michael Sarris

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Jul 10, 2003, 8:10:30 PM7/10/03
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Sim Aberson wrote:
> In article <I14Ma.7357$E5....@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>,
> Michael Sarris <mund...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>What I don't understand is that a cat who is smart enough to figure
>>out what a can opener does, and seems to have this mysterious
>>ability to know when we are using it (and it's *not* an electric one)
>>can be so dense that he doesn't associate overeating with throwing
>>up and subsequently getting thrown out of the house.
>>
>>Michael, hey, I think I'll overeat and barf all over the carpet AGAIN!
>
>
> One could, of course, rephrase this as "Hey, I think I'll feed the cat
> too much food AGAIN!"

As is the way with cats, we cannot win. If the cat
bowl is 1/3 full or less, he'll wake us up at dawn
with incessant meowing. If the cat bowl is reasonably
filled, he'll choose dawn to stuff himself and purge
on the carpet. If we're especially fortunate, he'll
wake us up meowing until we feed him, let us get back
to sleep, and *then* spew all over the carpet.

I know, I know. Stupid human, when will you learn?
Buy brown carpeting. It would not surprise me to
find carpet swatches in "Science Diet Sienna" or
"IAMBS Umber".

> Sim, and then blame the cat for the results!

We do anyway. For everything.

Michael, crop circles, the economy, Fox News


--
Michael Sarris -- mund...@hotmail.com

"Standing on the sidelines, waving and grinning
You fondle my trigger, then you blame my gun"
-- Fiona Apple, "Limp"


C.L. Lassiter

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Jul 11, 2003, 8:30:08 AM7/11/03
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Michael Sarris <mund...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> As is the way with cats, we cannot win. If the cat

Tell me about it. I think we're living parallel lives, Michael.
Last night, Sam (since after 3 sleepless nights I didn't let him into my
room) paid me back by pooping beside the litter box and peeing on a throw
rug in front of the bathroom sink.

cl, not to mention the litter Sam decided to shovel onto the bathroom
floor just on general principal

Ruth Lawrence

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Jul 11, 2003, 10:02:23 AM7/11/03
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"Michael Sarris" <mund...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sim Aberson wrote:
> > In article <I14Ma.7357$E5....@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>,
> > Michael Sarris <mund...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>What I don't understand is that a cat who is smart enough to figure
> >>out what a can opener does, and seems to have this mysterious
> >>ability to know when we are using it (and it's *not* an electric one)
> >>can be so dense that he doesn't associate overeating with throwing
> >>up and subsequently getting thrown out of the house.
> >>
> >>Michael, hey, I think I'll overeat and barf all over the carpet AGAIN!
> >
> >
> > One could, of course, rephrase this as "Hey, I think I'll feed the cat
> > too much food AGAIN!"
>
> As is the way with cats, we cannot win. If the cat
> bowl is 1/3 full or less, he'll wake us up at dawn
> with incessant meowing. If the cat bowl is reasonably
> filled, he'll choose dawn to stuff himself and purge
> on the carpet. If we're especially fortunate, he'll
> wake us up meowing until we feed him, let us get back
> to sleep, and *then* spew all over the carpet.
>
> I know, I know. Stupid human, when will you learn?
> Buy brown carpeting. It would not surprise me to
> find carpet swatches in "Science Diet Sienna" or
> "IAMBS Umber".

We chose a rustic-looking brown glazed ceramic tile.

Not nearly such fun to decorate, complained Pixel.

Ruth, herder of oriental short/longhairs

DRS

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Jul 11, 2003, 10:51:56 AM7/11/03
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"Michael Sarris" <mund...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[...]

> As is the way with cats, we cannot win. If the cat
> bowl is 1/3 full or less, he'll wake us up at dawn
> with incessant meowing. If the cat bowl is reasonably
> filled, he'll choose dawn to stuff himself and purge
> on the carpet. If we're especially fortunate, he'll
> wake us up meowing until we feed him, let us get back
> to sleep, and *then* spew all over the carpet.

Try one of those automated feeders that periodically dispense preset amounts
of food. That way you could spread the amount over sufficient time. That
might solve both problems.

--

"I am gentle and wise, even inside my scrotum."
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030705.rvmaga/BNStory/Entertainment/


Cornelia Wyngaarden

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in article bemg19$im2$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz, Ruth Lawrence at
grr...@ihug.com.au wrote on 7/11/03 7:02 AM:

From the very beginning when I got him as a kitten I've always filled his
bowl to overflowing and kept it that way. I keep his water bowl in the sink
because PC likes his water *fresh* preferably running out of the tap.

He never overeats and is as slinky as a black panther. He never barfs,
always pees and poohs in the right place and sleeps at the foot of the bed.
He only ever gets in my way at night when I am exceedingly restless and then
it is my fault and not his. He is very jumpy and cautious and a notepad or
a scrap of paper in the bed will make him very suspicious.

His teeth are very strong and his claws sharp as a razor. Occasionally he
will bite the back of my heels if I'm in my bare feet or reach out and slash
me as I'm walking by. I think he is just leaving a mark on me as territory
since I always have a scratch on my arm about an inch long.

I have to lock him out of the bathroom when I'm taking a shower because
since this requires me to be naked all over I think he sees it as an
opportunity to mark the rest of his property. Psycho shower scene, one eye
on the curtain, just when I'm shampooing my hair a long black furry paw with
claws outstretched will reach around and leave a trail of trickling red
blood.

My cat the Hitchcock/Kurasawa fan.

corry living in fear

Ruth Lawrence

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Jul 11, 2003, 12:26:01 PM7/11/03
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"Cornelia Wyngaarden" wrote

<snip>


> From the very beginning when I got him as a kitten I've always filled his
> bowl to overflowing and kept it that way. I keep his water bowl in the
sink
> because PC likes his water *fresh* preferably running out of the tap.

Quite few of mine have this trait. More are picky
and will only drink from the Sacred Spring, a
particular bowl uless forced by ill circumstances
(ordinarily they've spilt it) to slum at another venue.

> He never overeats and is as slinky as a black panther. He never barfs,
> always pees and poohs in the right place and sleeps at the foot of the
bed.
> He only ever gets in my way at night when I am exceedingly restless and
then
> it is my fault and not his. He is very jumpy and cautious and a notepad
or
> a scrap of paper in the bed will make him very suspicious.

Most of mine don't midden, and if they do it's
a sign of a social or health problem. Usually.
Ivy's descendants can be slobs.

Very few have been that suspicious though,
and they have been those with very poor eyesight.

> His teeth are very strong and his claws sharp as a razor. Occasionally he
> will bite the back of my heels if I'm in my bare feet or reach out and
slash
> me as I'm walking by. I think he is just leaving a mark on me as
territory
> since I always have a scratch on my arm about an inch long.

Magnus is inclined to treat the other kitties
this way. He's dominant, aggressive and
playful. I think I'll need to find him a home
with medum sized playful dogs who are used
to cats, honestly. He wasn't supposed to
stay here, and is not quite an adult.

I usually have Siamese Rash(0), but that's from
playing with them.

> I have to lock him out of the bathroom when I'm taking a shower because
> since this requires me to be naked all over I think he sees it as an
> opportunity to mark the rest of his property. Psycho shower scene, one
eye
> on the curtain, just when I'm shampooing my hair a long black furry paw
with
> claws outstretched will reach around and leave a trail of trickling red
> blood.

Eeek!

I don't know what mine would do. Some
think water is fun. I haven't had one in the
bathroom with me since the original Siamese
fell into the tub with me in it. Nuh-uh.

> My cat the Hitchcock/Kurasawa fan.

Ouch!

Our original Siamese, brought home as a kitten on 14th feb
1967, behaved like that intermittently all his life.

None of my current kitties are *that* kind of naughty,
they're temperament-bred and don't know whether I'm
their Mommy or a hapless primate keeper.

It's a very good thing they don't have hands: Teddy (RIP)
could untwist the cookie jar lid if it wasn't screwed tightly(1),
Lily tries (and succeeds) in opening many things- cupboards,
the grill tray- after watching me.

Mingle follows me around all day ATM saying 'Ma!'
in an effective imitation of a two-year old being cute, and
so on. I pick him up, he stays fifteen seconds, he
says "Ma!" and so on. I expect he'd throw his toys
out of the stroller.

I swear some of them laugh at me (not my jokes).

The dogs are a piece of cake.

> corry living in fear

Hmm. I'm glad I can't be held accountable for
the behaviour of USan pussies: none with my line
have been sent over AFAIK.

Could he be bored?

There are tiny thingies that can be glued over their
claw tips by the vet now, if that helps (of course
this is only safe for 24/7 indoor cats.)

Ruth
(0)faint nicks and light scratches about the hands
(1)using two paws. Way kewt until the lot would
cascade to the floor and into the mouths of The Swarm.


Frank R.A.J. Maloney

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We recently added a fourth cat to our menage. A church buddy of L's had been
feeding this stray/abandoned/homeless cat off her back porch, which opens
onto a green belt. She noticed the cat had a gash over his eye and asked if
we were willing to take him in. So we provided a cat carrier and she caught
him. We took him to the vet for a general exam and shots and such; the vet
told us the cat was a 2-year-old, neutered male in good condition but
underweight. So someone at some time had taken care of him. How he came to
live in a green belt will, of course, remain a mystery, but then cats will
have their secrets.

He's a handsome fellow, a true black, very slim (even after a month of
eating regularly and unlike the other three), elegantly leggy with a very
long, graceful tail. He purrs if you pet him, but he doesn't seek out
petting (another difference). He does like hanging out with the humans, but
he will bite and bite viciously when he wants to be left alone (the eight
closely space puncture wounds on my right testifying to this -- again unlike
the older cats who have never bitten or scratched us in their lives). Since
we initially set him up in the basement, we called him Basement Blackie.

The transition from the basement to the living room has been vociferous and
stressful. The other three -- Momcat, her daughter The Princess, her son
Whiskey -- have been slow to accept the newcomer. Momcat was the first to
begin ignoring him; he'd hiss and howl and she'd just waddle on by as he
didn't exist, which has to be tough on the old ego. Whiskey, who is a mostly
solid seventeen pounds, placid, mellow, and loving, seems finally to have
calmed down, although he's still a trifle oppressed in the Presence.

But The Princess, the smartest, fluffiest, smallest, and most personable of
the three, has only this morning shown any sign of eventually standing down
from her strongly expressed opposition to Blackie. Every time their paths
crossed it's been major hissy fits all around. But two nights ago we had a
kind of breakthrough. A huge fight had erupted between them -- screaming and
batting and hair standing up -- when fat old Momcat rushed up out of the
kitchen (and Momcat never rushes) and knocked the crap out of Blackie with
four strong, well-directed blows to backside. This was doubly surprising
because Momcat's undisguised hope for the last decade has been that The
Princess would suddenly decamp and leave no forwarding address, but suddenly
she went "not with my daughter you won't" all over his skinny butt.

You could immediately tell, even as Blackie's hackles were still being
lowered, that the balance of power had shifted, that he had finally found
his place in the hierarchy. Finally, he could answer authoritatively and
unhesitatingly that age-old question, "Who's in charge here?"

Since then, the stress and noise levels have been sinking like a falling
tide and I for one could not be happier. Another sign of the change is that
suddenly Blackie has been trying out the furniture; heretofore he had
limited himself to the floors and rugs; now he has His Place on the sofa,
His Place on L's big desk, and most surprisingly I found him lounging like a
pasha on our bed.

Of course, all is not the Peaceful Kingdom yet and lion has yet to lie down
with the lamb, as it were, but progress, sweet progress!

--
Frank in Seattle

___________

Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney

"I leave you now in radiant contentment"
-- "Whistling in the Dark"


DRS

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"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> wrote in message
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[...]

> The transition from the basement to the living room has been vociferous
> and stressful. The other three -- Momcat, her daughter The Princess, her
> son Whiskey -- have been slow to accept the newcomer.

One trick with cats when bringing in an outsider is to spray them all with
lots of perfume. When they all smell the same - and none of them can smell
anything else for a few days - it reduces the aggravation. As the perfume
slowly wears away and they can start smelling each other again they're more
inclined to accept each other.

Ann Burlingham

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Cornelia Wyngaarden <cor...@telus.net> writes:

> From the very beginning when I got him as a kitten I've always filled his
> bowl to overflowing and kept it that way. I keep his water bowl in the sink
> because PC likes his water *fresh* preferably running out of the tap.

our cat would love some running water. i keep wishing for a mini
version of what the cows had - individual water bowls which they could
get fresh water running into by pressing with their noses. not that i
think she's quite as smart as the cows, to be able to work such a
thing.

the other idea is one of those table-top fountains. if we were the
sort to indulge catty whims.

Ann Burlingham

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Jul 11, 2003, 1:35:32 PM7/11/03
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"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> writes:

> he will bite and bite viciously when he wants to be left alone (the eight
> closely space puncture wounds on my right testifying

eep!

*phew*

i suspect you wouldn't sound so calm if you'd bitten where i *thought*
you'd been bitten.

Frank R.A.J. Maloney

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Jul 11, 2003, 1:54:55 PM7/11/03
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"Ann Burlingham" <an...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:wkhe5t9...@panix.com...

I have often wished I could afford to put a studly young editor on the
staff.

Frank R.A.J. Maloney

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Jul 11, 2003, 2:55:23 PM7/11/03
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"Jess Anderson" <ande...@wisc.edu> wrote in message
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> Frank Maloney:

>
> >I have often wished I could afford to put a studly young
> >editor on the staff.
>
> I'd love to have a studly young editor on my staff.
>

I set 'em up and you knock 'em over.

Robert S. Coren

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Jul 11, 2003, 3:06:01 PM7/11/03
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In article <vgtuf45...@corp.supernews.com>,

Frank R.A.J. Maloney <fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
>"Ann Burlingham" <an...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:wkhe5t9...@panix.com...
>> "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> writes:
>>
>> > he will bite and bite viciously when he wants to be left alone (the
>eight
>> > closely space puncture wounds on my right testifying
>>
>> eep!
>>
>> *phew*
>>
>> i suspect you wouldn't sound so calm if you'd bitten where i *thought*

Um... ^

>> you'd been bitten.
>
>I have often wished I could afford to put a studly young editor on the
>staff.

Don't hire David Fenton's (or mine).
--
---Robert Coren (co...@panix.com)------------------------------------
"These flexible verbs do dozens of idiomatic, logic-defying tricks;
you can't stop them, so you might as well admire them."
--Jan Freeman, _Boston Globe_ 4/5/03

Robert S. Coren

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Jul 11, 2003, 3:08:50 PM7/11/03
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In article <bemoei$oc0$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz>,
Ruth Lawrence <grr...@ihug.com.au> wrote:
>
>"Cornelia Wyngaarden" wrote

>
>> corry living in fear
>
>Hmm. I'm glad I can't be held accountable for
>the behaviour of USan pussies: none with my line
>have been sent over AFAIK.

Corry lives in the Commonwealth, just BTW. Of course her cat could
have come from anywhere on the continent.
--
---Robert Coren (co...@panix.com)------------------------------------
Aw, well... I guess some of us talks too much, anyway.
--Rackety Coon Chile (Walt Kelly)

Ellen Evans

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Jul 11, 2003, 3:18:23 PM7/11/03
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In article <wkllv59...@panix.com>, Ann Burlingham <an...@panix.com> wrote:

[]

>the other idea is one of those table-top fountains. if we were the
>sort to indulge catty whims.

They have versions of those designed for cats. My mother bought one for
my cats. Unfortunately the noise it makes when the pump is on scares the
crap out of all them except Es, for whom I must turn it on in the morning,
and then, when she has indulged, quickly turn it off.

--
Ellen Evans 17 Across: The "her" of "Leave Her to Heaven"
je...@panix.com New York Times, 7/14/96

Mike McKinley

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Jul 11, 2003, 3:34:43 PM7/11/03
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Jess Anderson wrote:

>Frank Maloney:


>I have often wished I could afford to put a studly young
>editor on the staff.
>
>

>I'd love to have a studly young editor on my staff.
>

Darling, if wishes were horses, you'd win the Triple Crown.

Brad Macdonald

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Jul 11, 2003, 3:55:20 PM7/11/03
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Mike McKinley wrote:
> Jess Anderson wrote:
> >I'd love to have a studly young editor on my staff.
>
> Darling, if wishes were horses, you'd win the Triple Crown.

There hasn't been a Triple Crown winner since 1978 either.

Brad

Tim Wilson

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Jul 11, 2003, 3:57:46 PM7/11/03
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Ann Burlingham wrote:
> Cornelia Wyngaarden <cor...@telus.net> writes:

[Running water for cats... [Running water for cats...]]

Our cat Tom is a hoot to watch drink. He sidles up to the bowl, one of
those five-US-gallons at a time thing, paws at the water with a front
foot, sometimes leaving a front foot on the rim of the bowl, then
spreads his back feed out *really* *wide*, as if he's trying to avoid
falling in some brook.

Then he drinks. *Really* *loud*.
--
Tim Wilson, Daytona Beach, Florida, USA
home: http://home.cfl.rr.com/mackandtim/
blog: http://timatollah.blogspot.com/
mail: meano...@netscape.net

Michael Sarris

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Jul 11, 2003, 9:04:25 PM7/11/03
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DRS wrote:
> "Michael Sarris" <mund...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> C6nPa.10515$fa3....@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com
>
> [...]
>
>
>>As is the way with cats, we cannot win. If the cat
>>bowl is 1/3 full or less, he'll wake us up at dawn
>>with incessant meowing. If the cat bowl is reasonably
>>filled, he'll choose dawn to stuff himself and purge
>>on the carpet. If we're especially fortunate, he'll
>>wake us up meowing until we feed him, let us get back
>>to sleep, and *then* spew all over the carpet.
>
>
> Try one of those automated feeders that periodically dispense preset amounts
> of food. That way you could spread the amount over sufficient time. That
> might solve both problems.

He used to help himself when I kept the cat food
in its bag in the pantry. He'd open the door and
either dig in through the top or chew a new opening.
This led to mysterious noises at all hours of the
night (opening the door, closing the door, getting
stuck behind the door...).

Frankly, the thought of the cat with anything automated
is simply horrifying.

Michael, imagining the Sorceror's Apprentice with cat food


--
Michael Sarris -- mund...@hotmail.com

"Stop worrying about it, the cat's already been fed
Come on darlin', let's go back to bed"
-- Jewel, "Morning Song"


Michael Sarris

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Jul 11, 2003, 9:04:36 PM7/11/03
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Tim Wilson wrote:
> Ann Burlingham wrote:
>
>> Cornelia Wyngaarden <cor...@telus.net> writes:
>
>
> [Running water for cats... [Running water for cats...]]
>
> Our cat Tom is a hoot to watch drink. He sidles up to the bowl, one of
> those five-US-gallons at a time thing, paws at the water with a front
> foot, sometimes leaving a front foot on the rim of the bowl, then
> spreads his back feed out *really* *wide*, as if he's trying to avoid
> falling in some brook.
>
> Then he drinks. *Really* *loud*.

Stimpy is a connoisseur of water. The sinks. The toilets.
The fish pond, before we drained it and planted flowers.
He doesn't seem to care if it's running water -- it's
the *variety* that seems to matter to him.

Michael, glad he's an expert at *something*


--
Michael Sarris -- mund...@hotmail.com

"It smells like sands of the southern island
When a black cat crosses my path"
-- Cibo Matto, "Sugar Water"


JulieH

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Jul 11, 2003, 9:26:51 PM7/11/03
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DRS wrote:
>
> "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> wrote in message
> vgtqunr...@corp.supernews.com
>
> [...]
>
> > The transition from the basement to the living room has been vociferous
> > and stressful. The other three -- Momcat, her daughter The Princess, her
> > son Whiskey -- have been slow to accept the newcomer.
>
> One trick with cats when bringing in an outsider is to spray them all with
> lots of perfume. When they all smell the same - and none of them can smell
> anything else for a few days - it reduces the aggravation. As the perfume
> slowly wears away and they can start smelling each other again they're more
> inclined to accept each other.
>

Um, given cats' propensity to groom each other, licking off topically
applied substances, it is generally recommended that vanilla extract
(or something similar) be used in this manner. Perfumes can be
comprised of quite a range of ingredients that may be toxic to cats.
And one needn't douse the poor critters in the stuff.

Julie

--
"...there really is a 'gay agenda,' and that agenda is the very
agenda upon which our nation was founded: liberty and equality"
--lesbian activist Lorri Jean to President Clinton

Ann Burlingham

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Jul 11, 2003, 5:14:49 PM7/11/03
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co...@panix.com (Robert S. Coren) writes:
>>"Ann Burlingham" <an...@panix.com> wrote in message

>>> i suspect you wouldn't sound so calm if you'd bitten where i *thought*
>
> Um... ^

all right, a little bit bitten.

Robert S. Coren

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Jul 11, 2003, 10:58:11 PM7/11/03
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You know, it occurs to me that it's a great blessing that that story
didn't come with sound (or sheet music!) -- the earworm potential
would be devastating.
--
---Robert Coren (co...@panix.com)------------------------------------
"I am FAGGOT, Lord of the flames! Feel my wrath!" -- Kaz Underworld

Frank R.A.J. Maloney

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Jul 12, 2003, 1:39:31 AM7/12/03
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"JulieH" <Bagh...@indy.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3F0F635A...@indy.rr.com...

> DRS wrote:
> >
> > "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> wrote in message
> > vgtqunr...@corp.supernews.com
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > The transition from the basement to the living room has been
vociferous
> > > and stressful. The other three -- Momcat, her daughter The Princess,
her
> > > son Whiskey -- have been slow to accept the newcomer.
> >
> > One trick with cats when bringing in an outsider is to spray them all
with
> > lots of perfume. When they all smell the same - and none of them can
smell
> > anything else for a few days - it reduces the aggravation. As the
perfume
> > slowly wears away and they can start smelling each other again they're
more
> > inclined to accept each other.
> >
>
> Um, given cats' propensity to groom each other, licking off topically
> applied substances, it is generally recommended that vanilla extract
> (or something similar) be used in this manner. Perfumes can be
> comprised of quite a range of ingredients that may be toxic to cats.
> And one needn't douse the poor critters in the stuff.

A sensible, practical point. Less sensible, less practical perhaps would be
L's objection. He cannot stand perfume on humans or cats. Sometimes a cat
comes in and we have to assume he or she has been promiscuously hanging out
with the neighbors, who apparently bathe in the stuff, the traitor.

*And* L loves the natural smell of a clean, well-lighted cat. He's given to
snatching up one or the other and burying his mazard in kitty's neck or
tummy. The veterans around here long ago learned to like it or at least
tolerate it. The new guy hasn't actually drawn blood over this so L loves
him.

Chris Hansen

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Jul 12, 2003, 4:38:04 AM7/12/03
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"Ruth Lawrence" <grr...@ihug.com.au> wrote in
news:bemoei$oc0$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz:

> There are tiny thingies that can be glued over their
> claw tips by the vet now, if that helps (of course
> this is only safe for 24/7 indoor cats.)

Kitty nail extensions. A new product.

Chris "Who knew?" Hansen

--
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chrishansenhome at btinternet dot com
http://www.hansenhome.demon.co.uk

Ruth Lawrence

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Jul 12, 2003, 8:52:48 AM7/12/03
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"Robert S. Coren" <co...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ben202$1tv$1...@panix5.panix.com...

> In article <bemoei$oc0$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz>,
> Ruth Lawrence <grr...@ihug.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >"Cornelia Wyngaarden" wrote
> >
> >> corry living in fear
> >
> >Hmm. I'm glad I can't be held accountable for
> >the behaviour of USan pussies: none with my line
> >have been sent over AFAIK.
>
> Corry lives in the Commonwealth, just BTW. Of course her cat could
> have come from anywhere on the continent.

Oh sure, I know that.

Very few pedigree cats have left Oz except for NZ
until recently.


Ruth

JulieH

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Jul 12, 2003, 12:04:53 PM7/12/03
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"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" wrote:
>
> "JulieH" <Bagh...@indy.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3F0F635A...@indy.rr.com...

> >


> > Um, given cats' propensity to groom each other, licking off topically
> > applied substances, it is generally recommended that vanilla extract
> > (or something similar) be used in this manner. Perfumes can be
> > comprised of quite a range of ingredients that may be toxic to cats.
> > And one needn't douse the poor critters in the stuff.
>
> A sensible, practical point. Less sensible, less practical perhaps would be
> L's objection. He cannot stand perfume on humans or cats. Sometimes a cat
> comes in and we have to assume he or she has been promiscuously hanging out
> with the neighbors, who apparently bathe in the stuff, the traitor.
>
> *And* L loves the natural smell of a clean, well-lighted cat. He's given to
> snatching up one or the other and burying his mazard in kitty's neck or
> tummy. The veterans around here long ago learned to like it or at least
> tolerate it. The new guy hasn't actually drawn blood over this so L loves
> him.
>

Well, considering that one of the best things in the world is a cat's
tummy, this all makes perfect sense to me.

Julie (who also thinks that puppy breath is pretty fabu)

xym...@bean.rochester.rr.com

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Jul 12, 2003, 2:05:46 PM7/12/03
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:38:04 +0000 (UTC), Chris Hansen
<chrisha...@notrash.btinternet.com> wrote:

>"Ruth Lawrence" <grr...@ihug.com.au> wrote in
>news:bemoei$oc0$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz:
>
>> There are tiny thingies that can be glued over their
>> claw tips by the vet now, if that helps (of course
>> this is only safe for 24/7 indoor cats.)
>
>Kitty nail extensions. A new product.

http://www.softpaws.com/

Katie, who finds simply clipping her cats' nails to be quicker and
cheaper

Timothy McDaniel

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Jul 12, 2003, 4:45:38 PM7/12/03
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In article <h%IPa.2441$_K5....@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>,

Michael Sarris <mund...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Stimpy is a connoisseur of water. The sinks. The toilets.
>The fish pond

Homeopathic fish stew.

--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com; tm...@us.ibm.com is my work address

David W. Fenton

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Jul 12, 2003, 5:44:41 PM7/12/03
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fr...@blarg.net (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) wrote in
<vgv7o6l...@corp.supernews.com>:

>*And* L loves the natural smell of a clean, well-lighted cat. He's
>given to snatching up one or the other and burying his mazard in
>kitty's neck or tummy. The veterans around here long ago learned
>to like it or at least tolerate it. The new guy hasn't actually
>drawn blood over this so L loves him.

Are they all male cats? My experience is that male cats smell
wonderful, but that females aren't necessarily as clean, because
they don't groom as thoroughly. I've read that this is pretty
typical, as the males are the hunters and need to be odorless.

Of course, female cats in the wild hunt, too, so I'm not sure why
this would make any sense.

--
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dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

David W. Fenton

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Jul 12, 2003, 5:49:29 PM7/12/03
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xym...@rochester.rr.com wrote in
<mej0hv4co7t1ks9bk...@4ax.com>:

Oh, my.

It used to take both of us, my roommate and me, to cut the nails of
Simon, the large male cat:

http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/simon4.jpg

He was so incredibly strong and so averse to nail clipping that I
would have to hold him on the kitchen table with both hands while
Kris clipped his nails. I'd have one hand in front of his chest and
the other on his neck. Usually the first front paw was no problem,
but about the time we got to the second front paw, he'd start that
low whining sound, the kind that comes just before an outburst of
screeching and paws/claws in all directions. It was all we could do
to keep him from getting away, he was so incredibly strong.

Strangely, when his nails were clipped at the vet, he was as calm
and passive as could be. I never understood that.

Ellen Evans

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Jul 12, 2003, 6:15:18 PM7/12/03
to
In article <93B6B7E46df...@24.168.128.74>,
David W. Fenton <dXXXf...@bway.net> wrote:

[]

>Are they all male cats? My experience is that male cats smell
>wonderful, but that females aren't necessarily as clean, because
>they don't groom as thoroughly.

This is completely not my experience. Esmeralda is a fanatic groomer,
whereas her brother, Fred, is now and has always been a slob. And Dorothy
is quite meticulous as well.

Arnold Zwicky

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Jul 12, 2003, 6:29:25 PM7/12/03
to
just in case i haven't already recommended it, let me send y'all
to marge piercy's luminous memoir, Sleeping With Cats. yes, there's
a lot of stuff about particular cats and their behavior. and
much, much more.

alex adams, who seems to read a lot of autobiographies of women


Frank R.A.J. Maloney

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Jul 12, 2003, 7:10:58 PM7/12/03
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"David W. Fenton" <dXXXf...@bway.net> wrote in message
news:93B6B7E46df...@24.168.128.74...

[deletion]

>
> Are they all male cats? My experience is that male cats smell
> wonderful, but that females aren't necessarily as clean, because
> they don't groom as thoroughly. I've read that this is pretty
> typical, as the males are the hunters and need to be odorless.
>
> Of course, female cats in the wild hunt, too, so I'm not sure why
> this would make any sense.

Currently the feline population stands two males, two females. They are all
scrupulous groomers and not just of themselves.

The two females -- Momcat and her daughter The Princess -- when they run out
of fur to groom on themselves they to try to clean me up, a daunting task,
just ask around. The Princess likes nothing better than to start my day with
a job of deep-down, to-the-roots beard grooming, although apparently my
whiskers get up her nose and she has to sneeze in my barely conscious face a
few times -- a bath and a shower.

Momcat likes to get down between my fingers and scrub, scrub, scrub those
blues away. She also like to lick her favorite bedding, an old crocheted
afghan folded up on my ottoman -- very international our living room; she
starts with herself and pretty soon she's moved on to her immediate
environs.

Duncan Mitchel

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Jul 12, 2003, 11:17:06 AM7/12/03
to
You did mention it before, but thanks for the reminder. It's a lovely
book, by a major and unappreciated American writer.

Have you read any of Barbara Deming's autobiographical writings? If
not, I recommend "A Humming Under My Feet."

--

KiloDelate

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Jul 13, 2003, 2:58:57 AM7/13/03
to
In article <93B6B7E46df...@24.168.128.74>, dXXXf...@bway.net
says...

> fr...@blarg.net (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) wrote in
> <vgv7o6l...@corp.supernews.com>:
>
> >*And* L loves the natural smell of a clean, well-lighted cat. He's
> >given to snatching up one or the other and burying his mazard in
> >kitty's neck or tummy. The veterans around here long ago learned
> >to like it or at least tolerate it. The new guy hasn't actually
> >drawn blood over this so L loves him.
>
> Are they all male cats? My experience is that male cats smell
> wonderful, but that females aren't necessarily as clean, because
> they don't groom as thoroughly. I've read that this is pretty
> typical, as the males are the hunters and need to be odorless.
>
> Of course, female cats in the wild hunt, too, so I'm not sure why
> this would make any sense.

The female cat is the best groomed in the house and doesn't smell any
different than the two male cats.

But of the males, the younger needs to be bathed about once a month as
he's so damned fat he can't clean himself properly.

Frank R.A.J. Maloney

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Jul 13, 2003, 1:01:38 PM7/13/03
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"KiloDelate" <chat-admin@cox dot .net> wrote in message
news:MPG.197acd397...@news.east.cox.net...

> In article <93B6B7E46df...@24.168.128.74>, dXXXf...@bway.net
> says...
> > fr...@blarg.net (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) wrote in
> > <vgv7o6l...@corp.supernews.com>:
> >
> > >*And* L loves the natural smell of a clean, well-lighted cat. He's
> > >given to snatching up one or the other and burying his mazard in
> > >kitty's neck or tummy. The veterans around here long ago learned
> > >to like it or at least tolerate it. The new guy hasn't actually
> > >drawn blood over this so L loves him.
> >
> > Are they all male cats? My experience is that male cats smell
> > wonderful, but that females aren't necessarily as clean, because
> > they don't groom as thoroughly. I've read that this is pretty
> > typical, as the males are the hunters and need to be odorless.
> >
> > Of course, female cats in the wild hunt, too, so I'm not sure why
> > this would make any sense.
>
> The female cat is the best groomed in the house and doesn't smell any
> different than the two male cats.
>

I was thinking about this and seems to me that in the wild mother cats need
to keep their kittens scent-free to keep predators (toms and other enemies)
from raiding their dens; certainly domestic cats lick, lick, lick their
babies as well as moving the den every two or three days. Probably the same
motivation would drive the moms to keep themselves clean and scentless, or
is this false reasoning?

> But of the males, the younger needs to be bathed about once a month as
> he's so damned fat he can't clean himself properly.
>

Momcat had this problem (dingleberries-r-us) until we switched everyone over
to a low-fat Iams. She's still far from sylphish but at least she can now
groom her own backside.

Ann Burlingham

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Jul 13, 2003, 4:51:13 PM7/13/03
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Joon <sp...@spacemoose.com.invalid> writes:

> now I'm told that IAMS and other "premium" dry foods are too high in
> carbs for the feline physiology and will lead to kitty diabetes and
> obesity. grr. damned if I'm going to start feeding him ground-up
> chicken necks and backs like one site suggests. ugh.

mice! toads! chipmunks!

Michael Thomas

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Jul 13, 2003, 6:51:17 PM7/13/03
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allow me:

http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/manddalemed1.jpg
--
Michael Thomas (mi...@mtcc.com http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/)

It's ironic: these old people are being kept alive by the
organs of the people they run over.

*Chief Wiggums*

Cornelia Wyngaarden

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Jul 13, 2003, 10:56:38 PM7/13/03
to
in article v7isq69...@fasolt.mtcc.com, Michael Thomas at mi...@mtcc.com
wrote on 7/13/03 3:51 PM:

> Ann Burlingham <an...@panix.com> writes:
>> Joon <sp...@spacemoose.com.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> now I'm told that IAMS and other "premium" dry foods are too high in
>>> carbs for the feline physiology and will lead to kitty diabetes and
>>> obesity. grr. damned if I'm going to start feeding him ground-up
>>> chicken necks and backs like one site suggests. ugh.
>>
>> mice! toads! chipmunks!
>
> allow me:
>
> http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/manddalemed1.jpg

Hhhmmmm is that the famous prized American landscape with a view of Mt.
Hood, before the blast, in the background?

corry

Alex Elliott

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Jul 14, 2003, 12:09:52 PM7/14/03
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In article <C6nPa.10515$fa3....@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>,

Michael Sarris <mund...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>As is the way with cats, we cannot win. If the cat
>bowl is 1/3 full or less, he'll wake us up at dawn
>with incessant meowing.

I used to feed the cats as soon as I got up in the morning. The cats were
clever enough to figure out that "waking human" means "food soon", and
would try to rush things by waking me up. Now I feed them only after
taking my morning shower. They're not clever enough to figure out this
more complicated causal chain of events and they never try to wake me up
any more (except on the weekends when I've slept late), even though their
quantity of food is strictly rationed.

Alex.

Cornelia Wyngaarden

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Jul 14, 2003, 12:13:37 PM7/14/03
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in article bet78j$ui$1...@news.doit.wisc.edu, Jess Anderson at
ande...@wisc.edu wrote on 7/13/03 8:15 PM:

> Corry Wyngaarden:
>> Mike Thomas:


>
>>> http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/manddalemed1.jpg
>
>> Hhhmmmm is that the famous prized American landscape with a
>> view of Mt. Hood, before the blast, in the background?
>

> I could be wrong, but the picture looks like an idealized trout
> stream with generic mountains in the background. Knowing Mike,
> I first suspected it might be Mt. Shasta, but if it is, it must
> a view of the mountain from the east, which as I remember looks
> rather different from the south, west or north sides. It was
> Mt, St. Helens that blew up, btw.

I knew when I quickly posted that I was making a name mistake. I was going
to ask if it was Shasta but I wanted to work in some natural violence to
frame the basic concept of the whole work.

I was very tired and I would like Mike to come here and do the head severing
thing to one of my close neighbours who just does not get that computer war
games are irritating for people *not* playing. Especially at 1:00AM at full
volume. ...two friggen nights in a row. My knee blew up as well and it is
making me desperately grouchy on top of feeling slow and helpless. It is no
wonder to me that I made a stupid mistake. Bah!!!

corry

Frank R.A.J. Maloney

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Jul 14, 2003, 12:25:05 PM7/14/03
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"Alex Elliott" <ell...@panix.com> wrote in message
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Our really big male Whiskey comes in from making life a burden for the
varmints in our field and *has* to be escorted to his food. He apparently
likes some civilized conversation as he crunches his kibbles. Until someone
walks him to the food, he wanders around the house meowing at the top of his
voice, sounding miserable and in pain. If we're slow to react, he'll walk to
his bowl, yowl a few times and then resume his peregrinations. It would be
annoying if it weren't so funny; plus, I notice he has no problem getting
his daily ration if we're gone for a couple of days.

Michael Thomas

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Jul 14, 2003, 12:36:34 PM7/14/03
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Joon <sp...@spacemoose.com.invalid> writes:
> In article <v7isq69...@fasolt.mtcc.com>, Michael Thomas
> <mi...@mtcc.com> wrote:
> > allow me:
> >
> > http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/manddalemed1.jpg
>
> dayam. I know you said you lost some weight, but... dayam!
>
> what's your secret?

Sex and Starvation(tm). Seriously, about an hour on the
lard-o-matic pretty close to 7 days a week. I'm still in
something of shock at how all of these cutelings are
throwing themselves at me these days. I can't wait for
Dore Alley Fair where I think I'll do a bit more hunting.

Michael Thomas

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Jul 14, 2003, 12:39:26 PM7/14/03
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Cornelia Wyngaarden <cor...@telus.net> writes:
> > http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/manddalemed1.jpg
>
> Hhhmmmm is that the famous prized American landscape with a view of Mt.
> Hood, before the blast, in the background?

Nope, but close. That's Mt Bachelor and South Sister in
the background on the upper Deschutes at Cow
Meadow... Nice bigses fatses brook troutses in there.

And aren't you thinking of St Helen's? Hood has blasted,
but hasn't lost its top anytime recent.

Michael Thomas

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Jul 14, 2003, 12:50:08 PM7/14/03
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ande...@wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> Corry Wyngaarden:
> >Mike Thomas:

>
> >> http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/manddalemed1.jpg
>
> >Hhhmmmm is that the famous prized American landscape with a
> >view of Mt. Hood, before the blast, in the background?
>
> I could be wrong, but the picture looks like an idealized trout
> stream with generic mountains in the background.

In fact it is an idealized trout stream, but as it happens
a real one. When my folks first built their house 15 (!)
years ago, I made it a project to hike the length of the
Deschutes from its headwaters to below Wikiup dam. I found
Cow Meadow which is above Crane Praire reservoir and
promptly decided that this is the real shit. My stepfather
Ed fishes it all the time now regularly taking 18-20 inch
brook trout from there. And they aren't easy to get as its
a fly only stream, and brookies tend to hold very low and
not surface feed much (we use wet nymph patterns to drag
them out). And they fight! You get a 20 inch brookie on
the line and boy do you know it.

> Knowing Mike,
> I first suspected it might be Mt. Shasta, but if it is, it must
> a view of the mountain from the east, which as I remember looks
> rather different from the south, west or north sides. It was
> Mt, St. Helens that blew up, btw.

The east and north of Shasta are rather dry and barren,
and there aren't any streams that sort of meander around
like this. The Sacramento and McCloud are rather fast
moving in comparison. I've not hiked them extensively
though so there may be meadowed parts like this that I'm
just not aware of. The Pitt river in the southeast may
well have better meadowed potential. All three of them
turn into full sized rivers pretty quickly well before
they drain into Shasta Lake. Shasta is, of course, one of
the most beautiful peaks in the world right up there with
Fuji, I'd venture.

Michael Thomas

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Jul 14, 2003, 1:49:19 PM7/14/03
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Robert Cumming <robe...@bredband.net> writes:
> In article <v7el0t9...@fasolt.mtcc.com>,
> Michael Thomas <mi...@mtcc.com> wrote:

> > Joon <sp...@spacemoose.com.invalid> writes:
> > > dayam. I know you said you lost some weight, but... dayam!
> > > what's your secret?
> > Sex and Starvation(tm). Seriously, about an hour on the
> > lard-o-matic pretty close to 7 days a week. I'm still in
> > something of shock at how all of these cutelings are
> > throwing themselves at me these days.
>
> Well, they were clearly all too shallow-minded to give you a second
> look when you had the extra lbs. Are you sure you want such people?

Yes! I'm shallow too! I'm like a pool with a reputation
for diving injuries!

Clay Colwell

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Jul 14, 2003, 5:27:58 PM7/14/03
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"Duncan Mitchel" <dmitche...@indiana.edu> wrote in message news:<9323121727329158.NC...@news.indiana.edu>...

> You did mention it before, but thanks for the reminder. It's a lovely
> book, by a major and unappreciated American writer.
>
> Have you read any of Barbara Deming's autobiographical writings? If
> not, I recommend "A Humming Under My Feet."

I'd prefer A Hummer Under My Desk.


> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:29:25 +0000, zwi...@Turing.Stanford.EDU (Arnold
> Zwicky) wrote:
>
> > just in case i haven't already recommended it, let me send y'all
> > to marge piercy's luminous memoir, Sleeping With Cats. yes, there's
> > a lot of stuff about particular cats and their behavior. and
> > much, much more.

Lilith decided to have her kittens in a cardboard box, in which we'd
gotten some luggage, that had been knocked over by some overstrenuous
ambulations of Oprah and Lucy. Strangely, it works quite well for her,
and we can close the flaps if need be to keep the other cats from getting
too curious about the new rats^W kittenlings.

-- Clay, with 4 orange and 1 black, although we haven't sexed them yet

Robert S. Coren

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Jul 14, 2003, 6:12:19 PM7/14/03
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In article <v7adbh9...@fasolt.mtcc.com>,

Michael Thomas <mi...@mtcc.com> wrote:
>
> And aren't you thinking of St Helen's? Hood has blasted,
> but hasn't lost its top anytime recent.

And woe to Portland if and when it does.
--
---Robert Coren (co...@panix.com)------------------------------------
"Don't take life so serious, son -- it ain't nohow permanent."
--Porkypine (Walt Kelly)

Brian Kane

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Jul 14, 2003, 8:09:28 PM7/14/03
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Michael Thomas:
>Robert Cumming:
>>Michael Thomas:
>>>Joon:

>>>>dayam. I know you said you lost some weight, but... dayam!
>>>>what's your secret?
>>>Sex and Starvation(tm). Seriously, about an hour on the
>>>lard-o-matic pretty close to 7 days a week. I'm still in
>>>something of shock at how all of these cutelings are
>>>throwing themselves at me these days.
>>Well, they were clearly all too shallow-minded to give you a second
>>look when you had the extra lbs. Are you sure you want such people?
>
>Yes! I'm shallow too! I'm like a pool with a reputation
>for diving injuries!

Speaking of shallow, sex-obsessed pool boys, it looks like
you've also recruited that nefarious Elder Hausmeister into your
fold.

Tell him he can clean out my skimmer basket anytime.
--
Brian Kane (Washington, DC) | Sad-eyed baby I'm not that kind of girl
astroplace.com/brian.asp | When the dice stop rolling, there's no
>bri...@SPAMastroplace.com<| more to the game :::: Stephin Merritt


Michael Sarris

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Jul 14, 2003, 8:45:59 PM7/14/03
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Arnold Zwicky wrote:
> just in case i haven't already recommended it, let me send y'all
> to marge piercy's luminous memoir, Sleeping With Cats. yes, there's
> a lot of stuff about particular cats and their behavior. and
> much, much more.

And then, when you feel all warm and fuzzy and loving
toward your cat, when the feelings of guilt creep over
you for ever doubting or feeling anger or frustration
toward your cat, and when you discover your cat has
mated with the stuffed animals *again* and you can't
help thinking a new kitty throw rug would solve all of
your problems, I recommend:

"Is Your Cat Crazy? : Solutions from the Casebook of a
Cat Therapist"

Michael, sorry, my copy's still needed
--
Michael Sarris -- mund...@hotmail.com
"Hey kids, shake a leg.
Maybe you're crazy in the head, baby."
-- R.E.M., "Drive"


Will

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Jul 14, 2003, 9:22:50 PM7/14/03
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Robert Cumming wrote:
> In article <v7el0t9...@fasolt.mtcc.com>,
> Michael Thomas <mi...@mtcc.com> wrote:


>
>>Joon <sp...@spacemoose.com.invalid> writes:
>>
>>>dayam. I know you said you lost some weight, but... dayam!
>>>what's your secret?
>>
>> Sex and Starvation(tm). Seriously, about an hour on the
>> lard-o-matic pretty close to 7 days a week. I'm still in
>> something of shock at how all of these cutelings are
>> throwing themselves at me these days.
>
>

> Well, they were clearly all too shallow-minded to give you a second
> look when you had the extra lbs. Are you sure you want such people?

I would imagine that one's criterion for casual sex vs long-term
relationship would be different.

Well at least mine are.


Will

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Jul 14, 2003, 9:24:02 PM7/14/03
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Michael Thomas wrote:

> I'm like a pool with a reputation for diving injuries!

Well, nobody can claim that you lie like a dog.


Tim Wilson

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Jul 14, 2003, 9:43:42 PM7/14/03
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Will wrote:
> I would imagine that one's criterion for casual sex vs long-term
> relationship would be different.
>
> Well at least mine are.
>
And your criterion for casual sex is?
--
Tim Wilson, Daytona Beach, Florida, USA
home: http://home.cfl.rr.com/mackandtim/
blog: http://timatollah.blogspot.com/
mail: meano...@netscape.net

Michael Thomas

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Jul 14, 2003, 9:36:24 PM7/14/03
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I like fucking doggie style! I'm fount of TMI!

DRS

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Jul 15, 2003, 9:20:41 AM7/15/03
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"Clay Colwell" <er...@io.com> wrote in message
f415da82.03071...@posting.google.com

[...]

> Lilith decided to have her kittens in a cardboard box, in which we'd
> gotten some luggage, that had been knocked over by some overstrenuous
> ambulations of Oprah and Lucy. Strangely, it works quite well for her,
> and we can close the flaps if need be to keep the other cats from getting
> too curious about the new rats^W kittenlings.

When I was living at home our cat had her first litter in my brother's bed.
Dad had noticed her checking it out as a possible nesting place and was
determined not to let her give birth there but one night she just
disappeared for a while and by the time we noticed her gone it was too late.
My brother needed a new mattress anyway.

--

"I am gentle and wise, even inside my scrotum."
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030705.rvmaga/BNStory/Entertainment/


Mike McKinley

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Jul 15, 2003, 9:23:46 AM7/15/03
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Will wrote:

Don't you mean, "Lie like a rug?"

--
Vera incessu patuit dea
(By her walk, the goddess was revealed)
Vergil, The Aeneid

Kevin Michael Vail

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Jul 15, 2003, 7:37:09 PM7/15/03
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In article <bf0v3b$g7c$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz>,
"DRS" <d...@removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote:

> "Clay Colwell" <er...@io.com> wrote in message
> f415da82.03071...@posting.google.com
>
> [...]
>
> > Lilith decided to have her kittens in a cardboard box, in which we'd
> > gotten some luggage, that had been knocked over by some overstrenuous
> > ambulations of Oprah and Lucy. Strangely, it works quite well for her,
> > and we can close the flaps if need be to keep the other cats from getting
> > too curious about the new rats^W kittenlings.
>
> When I was living at home our cat had her first litter in my brother's bed.
> Dad had noticed her checking it out as a possible nesting place and was
> determined not to let her give birth there but one night she just
> disappeared for a while and by the time we noticed her gone it was too late.
> My brother needed a new mattress anyway.

A cat we had when I was still living at home had kittens on the couch
next to me once. Luckily we had an old comforter covering the couch,
which wasn't in great shape anyway. It was fascinating!
--
Kevin Michael Vail | Dogbert: That's circular reasoning.
ke...@vaildc.net | Dilbert: I prefer to think of it as no loose ends.
http://www.vaildc.net/kevin/

Will

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Jul 15, 2003, 9:53:09 PM7/15/03
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Tim Wilson wrote:
> Will wrote:
>
>> I would imagine that one's criterion for casual sex vs long-term
>> relationship would be different.
>>
>> Well at least mine are.
>>
> And your criterion for casual sex is?

Broad.


Will

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Jul 15, 2003, 9:55:10 PM7/15/03
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Mike McKinley wrote:
> Will wrote:
>
>> Michael Thomas wrote:
>> I'm like a pool with a reputation for diving injuries!
>>
>> Well, nobody can claim that you lie like a dog.
>
>
> Don't you mean, "Lie like a rug?"

You've never met Toby?

Ann Burlingham

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Jul 16, 2003, 12:04:50 AM7/16/03
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Will <DROPTHIS...@bellsouth.net> writes:
> Tim Wilson wrote:

>> And your criterion for casual sex is?
>
> Broad.

which broad?

Mike McKinley

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Jul 16, 2003, 9:02:48 AM7/16/03
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Will wrote:


Darling, I don't get out much.

Clay Colwell

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Jul 16, 2003, 11:02:19 AM7/16/03
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Kevin Michael Vail <ke...@vaildc.net> wrote in message news:<kevin-44FBD1....@vienna7.his.com>...

> In article <bf0v3b$g7c$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz>,
> "DRS" <d...@removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>
> > "Clay Colwell" <er...@io.com> wrote in message
> > f415da82.03071...@posting.google.com
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > Lilith decided to have her kittens in a cardboard box, in which we'd
> > > gotten some luggage, that had been knocked over by some overstrenuous
> > > ambulations of Oprah and Lucy. Strangely, it works quite well for her,
> > > and we can close the flaps if need be to keep the other cats from getting
> > > too curious about the new rats^W kittenlings.
> >
> > When I was living at home our cat had her first litter in my brother's bed.
> > Dad had noticed her checking it out as a possible nesting place and was
> > determined not to let her give birth there but one night she just
> > disappeared for a while and by the time we noticed her gone it was too late.
> > My brother needed a new mattress anyway.
>
> A cat we had when I was still living at home had kittens on the couch
> next to me once. Luckily we had an old comforter covering the couch,
> which wasn't in great shape anyway. It was fascinating!

Wait until a bitch whelps in the back seat of your Dodge Dart.

Will

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Jul 17, 2003, 10:26:11 PM7/17/03
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So many ways to get myself in trouble here.
I think I'll pass!

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