Geesh! How disgusting. The cast consisted of nothing but beautiful (?) people. I know that _we_ are not *that* omnipresent.
But in spite of that, I was amused. The bit about the girl who has her honors degree from some east coast school, and is now working as a receptionist; sad, but true to life.
And there's the token homosexual amongst the beautiful people.....
It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."
Later, when another beautiful person moves into the building, the token homosexual tells the token black female that he thinks the new guy is cute, TBF says she saw him first, and they proceed to get into some kind of friendly slap fight. Then at the end of the show, after TBF had a date with a jerk, TBF tells TH that she hates men, dating, etc., and why can't they date: "we get along great, we have fun together, I like talking to you, etc., blah blah blah." TH says there's a slight problem: sexual attraction. "But there's a special person for you and a special person for me." (why didn't he say there's a special MAN for you and a special MAN for me---now that would have been worth noting....)
And that was about it for the TH. One and half hours and he got about 5 minutes total air time.
So will the writers give him more later, after the straight audience has been "hooked" and hence more likely to accept gay themes?
Or will he always be stuck with five minutes of obscure platitudinal (is that a word?) comments that could-maybe-if-you-think-real-hard actually be interpreted as being an expression of his sexuality.
So is the TH cute? I guess so. Very pretty. Washboard stomach, great pecs, nice arms, cute smile, yummy butt, twinkly eyes, but *no* body hair (?!?!). Some well distributed chest hair might be nice.
But I'm not complaining. :-}
He does seem to dress like Marky Mark, though.
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remck...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes: >I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox.
<guiltily raising another hand>
>And there's the token homosexual amongst the beautiful people..... >It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment >to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted >her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."
That's what I thought I heard, too. Then upon further reflection, I realized that he must have said "street kids." After all, he *does* work for a shelter.
>So will the writers give him more later, after the straight audience >has been "hooked" and hence more likely to accept gay themes?
Supposedly, yes. Or so goes the story in The Advocate. And he's supposed to tend to fall for "non-stereotypical" men, like a guy with a kid. Perhaps around episode 6.
Uh oh. I admitted to watching Melrose Place and reading The Advocate all in the same article. I'm toast...
In article <1992Jul9.14275...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, remck...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes...
>It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment >to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted >her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."
Since I was 'looking' for the comments, I thought the same thing at first. But I think it was in reference to 'fifteen clean kids', as in not using drugs - that is what he said he was trying to do - find things for kids to do other than take drugs.
My hope is that they don't make him the one that has to deal with all issues about AIDS - just because he's the "TH" (the homosexual).
In article <1992Jul9.14275...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> remck...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes:
>I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox.
I saw it too ... without knowing about its homosexual content (in this case the very little there was of it), so I think THAT would be a little more embarrassing to reveal :-). I was waiting for the retelecast of "Longtime Companion."
>And there's the token homosexual amongst the beautiful people..... >It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment >to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted >her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."
You picked up all the references to his sexuality, 'cause he had VERY LITTLE AIR TIME, and the show'd hint in each of his little scenes.
I hope he doesn't turn into the "voice of happy reasoning" for the rest of the cast. After all, everyone else was showcased with a problem or a storyline except him. We know the producers probably didn't want to scare the potential straight audience off in the debut. I hope they will indeed use him as a MAIN CAST member and not as a recurring one.
>So is the TH cute?
YES!!
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remck...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes: >I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox. >Geesh! How disgusting. The cast consisted of nothing >but beautiful (?) people. I know that _we_ are not *that* >omnipresent.
Who you callin' "we"? My GBLO* community is diverse enough to include "the beautiful people", "The people who THINK they are the beautiful people", "the people who know they are not but wish they were the beautiful people", "the people who don't care one way or another about being one of the beautiful people", "the people who want nothing whatsoever to do with being part of the beautiful people", "the people who woulnd't know one of the beautiful people if they bit them ont he ass", and all the other permutations in a Zen-squared sort of way there are.
Sorry to hear about yours....
Why don't you have some fun and hjoin us on the clue bus?
I watched it, and I guess I kinda liked it. It was nice how the queer guy (no chest hair; damn. But the 'ladies' man' guy, though... ooh baby! I guess it's another example of 'only bad guys are hairy' bias... watch Disney's Beauty and the Beast. You'll see.) was working for a shelter. Gives him a nice 'selfless caring for others' feel, while taking the 'all homoseckshuls are child molesters' screech and dealing with it directly. But still...
h...@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (henry.o.tirado) writes: >>And there's the token homosexual amongst the beautiful people..... >>It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment >>to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted >>her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."
(I hoped this comment meant that TBF (who had groovy hair, anyway) was queer, too. No such luck, though she still could be bi...)
>I hope he doesn't turn into the "voice of happy reasoning" for the rest >of the cast. After all, everyone else was showcased with a problem or >a storyline except him. We know the producers probably didn't want to scare >the potential straight audience off in the debut. I hope they will indeed >use him as a MAIN CAST member and not as a recurring one.
I doubt he'll be a very interesting character. Far too aw-shucks, beam- ing-n-aggreable to ever suffer strife. I think maybe he'll be pretty asexual, too... I mean, he just ventured a lukewarm 'he's cute' when he saw the new guy (who had groovy hair, too). Why not an offhand 'I'd do 'im'? I think they're only going to allude to his sexuality enough to be able to say 'Hey, look! We've got a Positive Homosexual Character!', while having him be mildly attractive scenery and confidant-to-the-black- girl. I'd love to be provven wrong, though, and will keep watching.
Gaydar aside: I knew right away which one was the faggot...
>>So is the TH cute? >YES!!
Meh... far too Ken-doll for me...
One last bitch about the show: exactly how frequently can we expect to see people being tossed into the pool for warm-comedic effect? I'm gagging...
-- John Dorrance ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico ** thaa...@odin.unomaha.edu
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In article <thaaang.710751770@odin> thaa...@odin.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes: >it's another example of 'only bad guys are hairy' bias...
You ignorant child! Body hair is the sign that *SATAN* is in your flesh! working his *WICKED* *PERVERTED* *LUSTFUL* ways upon you, you must *THRUST* him out! Repent of your *SINFUL* thoughts, and *BEASTLY* passions. Now take off your clothes, Grandmama has Nair with baby oil just for you.
In article <1992Jul9.214225.18...@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, h...@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (henry.o.tirado) writes:
> After all, everyone else was showcased with a problem or
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Golly, what does that say about the twenty-something generation?
I admit, I'm a member of that group, Generation X, and my friends and I seem to have more problems to showcase than other groups.
Or is it just a sort of ego-centrism on our part.
Anyone out there read _Generation_X_ by Douglas Coupland (sp?)? An excellent first novel for this guy, and Melrose Place seems to be banking on and tapping into this segment of the population (if not directly emulating the novel).
For those of you who have read the novel, I love the margin notes (flahbacks to dry college textbooks). Veal fattening pens and recreational slumming are two I'm all too familiar with. I borrowed the book from a friend, and now wish I had my own copy just for the margin notes. And what was the one about developing a philosophy based on old sitcoms: it's just like the time that Jan lost her glasses.....
>>So is the TH cute?
> YES!!
I said before, and I'll say it again: I'm not complaining....
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>> After all, everyone else was showcased with a problem or
> Anyone out there read _Generation_X_ by Douglas Coupland (sp?)? > An excellent first novel for this guy, and Melrose Place seems > to be banking on and tapping into this segment of the population > (if not directly emulating the novel).
i have read about 1/2 of it so far, being distracted from it by work and a novel written by a close friend. however, i have read enough to think that there isn't a parallel between Melrose Place and _Generation X_.
i watched Melrose Place, and my first thought was "you assholes call THIS shit problematic?" these pukes are white, upper-Middle to lower-Upper class background whiners who seem more isolated from the 20-something crowd than 3rd world babies. Desmond Tutu could tell you more about what it's like being 20-something in our culture than the writers of MP, which, btw, seems to be the grand prize for a middle-school writing contest.
in contrast, the characters in _GX_ are handling much deeper issues, but i still have a hard time equating them with 20-something. they just try a bit too hard to be Generation Andy Warhol if he just had a bit more Ecstasy -- it would be awfully stressful to be in their relationship, trying to be so witty and creative all the time, and yet, at the same time, trying to fail so energetically.
so what's it like being 20-something? well, i can only answer for myself. i'm not the best candidate since everyone i identify with is actually 30 or older, but ... maybe that's part of it.
my parents tell me they were hell-raisers when they were my age, going to woodstock, playing around with free love, being political by following the crowd, etc. they went in search of their lives instead of planning it. it was possible to skip school and drive across the country, making money with odd jobs, then settle down later.
now, at 23, i'm already part of that system of credit cards, a full-time career, bills, taxes. i'm facing political backlash of the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and there aren't any leaders, only placcards. i haven't really found my situation so much as i find myself IN a situation. there seem to be more variables today and not much guidance or latitude on what they mean.
while MP seems to hit some of these areas, it does so only superficially in my mind. it's more of a product of our culture than a reflection of it. -- Jason Coughlin ( ja...@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com ) Queer Without A Cause! "I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Endure pain, find joy, and make your own meaning, because the universe certainly isn't going to supply it. Always be a moving target. Live. Live. Live. -- Lois McMaster Bujold, _Barrayar_
>> it's more of a product of our culture >> than a reflection of it.
> Hunh? Wanna run that by me again?
> How can something be a product of our culture *without* being a reflection > of it?
yeah, that wasn't worded too intuitively -- i even got stuck on that when i wrote it, but i was too lazy to rewrite it. [i was also late for ST:TNG.]
would you consider Beverly Hills 90210 to be a reflection of high school kids? or, would you consider BH90210 to be a product *sold* to high school kids? i accept the latter and laugh my ass off at the former... -- Jason Coughlin ( ja...@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com ) Queer Without A Cause! "I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
remck...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes: > I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox.
(nice description deleted that allows me to fake having watched the show, tho I didn't- thanks for the synopsis!)
> So is the TH cute? I guess so. Very pretty. Washboard stomach, > great pecs, nice arms, cute smile, yummy butt, twinkly eyes, > but *no* body hair (?!?!). Some well distributed chest hair > might be nice.
but we ALL know that hair (and fat) are NOT hip (bullchit!) maybe he and the TBF can have a 'waxing VS nair' discussion?
> He does seem to dress like Marky Mark, though.
gosh, according to media, I thought they ALL did in California (I am from the South, therefore I wear bib overalls and have sex with my relatives (when not working on the transmission in the front yard....)
Sorry about that, but I saw my taped Melrose Place last night and I just had to get that off my chest.
They spent most of the hour letting us get to know all those other characters (the only one that I could feel with was the black aerobics instructor... a vitamin slaesman tried to use his sexuality to get her to sell his pills), but we only got to see a very small peek at the gay character (AND WHERE THE HELL ARE THE LESBIANS!)... basically we know that he helps run a shelter, has a nice body, isn't a queen (no offense), is asexual having not been able to find anyone (ie. safe for TV), eats healthy, and his apartment is apparently a mess (we didn't go in). Jeez... after all the hoopla about not just another token gay character! I just hope to gosh they devote an episode (soon) to this guy, his life, his loves, and his shelter.
AGGGGGGGGH!!!
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In article <1992Jul9.14275...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, remck...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes:
>I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox.
>Geesh! How disgusting. The cast consisted of nothing >but beautiful (?) people. I know that _we_ are not *that* >omnipresent. >And there's the token homosexual amongst the beautiful people.....
"token"? Would you have prefered *no* queer character? Or maybe a pshycho queen? A man killing lesbian? There was also a token doctor, a token doctor's wife, a token single woman, etc... please. *Why* was he (the gay character) "token"?
>It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment >to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted >her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."
Geez... the straight kids line might have been easy to miss, but when he drooled over the new resident, no one could have missed that. And then he says he has no physical attraction for a women. Get a clue. It didn't take a big neon pink arrow to spot him for queer. Did you notice he was wearing political Tshirts?
>Later, when another beautiful person moves into the building, the >token homosexual tells the token black female that he thinks the
A gee, a token black too... *I* thought she was well played.
>And that was about it for the TH. One and half hours and he got >about 5 minutes total air time.
Maybe if they had him screw the new cute roomie you'd have been more impressed? I thought the idea was to put a bunch of people in an apartment complex and tell us about their lives, two of which happen to be Black and Homosexual. I was happy that they didn't toss his queerness all over the place, but instead showed his *humanity*, part of which was gay.
>So will the writers give him more later, after the straight audience >has been "hooked" and hence more likely to accept gay themes?
Maybe they just wanted to represent queers, and give *us* something to relate to. Why does a queer character have to be for the straights??? Why can't she/he be for *us*.
>Or will he always be stuck with five minutes of obscure platitudinal >(is that a word?) comments that could-maybe-if-you-think-real-hard >actually be interpreted as being an expression of his sexuality.
Oh gawd, it wasn't that hard to figure out. Maybe you are just too used the flaming queen/bull dyke stereotypes and can't see a queer character unless they are spewing that one small part of their personhood all over the tube.
>So is the TH cute? I guess so. Very pretty. Washboard stomach, >great pecs, nice arms, cute smile, yummy butt, twinkly eyes, >but *no* body hair (?!?!). Some well distributed chest hair >might be nice.
You didn't mention his redish hair. Shame on you.
>But I'm not complaining. :-}
could have fooled me.
Shawn, who liked the show in spite of its fluffiness. Isn't it nice to see a doctor and his wife not having a *perfect* life on tv??
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remck...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes... >It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment >to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted >her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."
No, no, no, it was "just us and fifteen STREET kids..."
Sorry to disapoint you....
-Karl
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>Now take off your clothes, Grandmama has Nair with baby oil just for you.
YIPES! Only for charity :)
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I don't think the character was that type of guy... he is more of a romantic type, don't you think? Hopefully, the writers will wake up and realize that the lonely token homosexual needs a mate... I think it would be so cool to see them relaxing by the pool imbracing and kissing, or just walking as one down the street like any other normal couples. But, I'm afraid that in this case, non-stereotypical homosexual means celibate lonely homosexual.
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t...@tandon.com (Tom Barrett) writes: >But, I'm afraid >that in this case, non-stereotypical homosexual means celibate >lonely homosexual.
What's non-stereotypical about that? The hate-folks mustn't be given any fuel along the lines of the idea that maybe we actually fuck or fall in love or anything gross like that. Especially not in prime time. God forbid if we should be seen as having *actual* "family values."
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bfb...@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins) writes: >remck...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes: >> He does seem to dress like Marky Mark, though. > gosh, according to media, I thought they ALL did in California > (I am from the South, therefore I wear bib overalls and have sex > with my relatives (when not working on the transmission in the front > yard....)
Relatives? you mean you're related to livestock?
Towheaded, stupid, and looking for a corncob to load,
-- John Dorrance ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico ** thaa...@odin.unomaha.edu
I always thought of you as my brick wall Built like an angel, six feet tall.
>>But, I'm afraid >>that in this case, non-stereotypical homosexual means celibate >>lonely homosexual.
>What's non-stereotypical about that? The hate-folks mustn't >be given any fuel along the lines of the idea that maybe we >actually fuck or fall in love or anything gross like that. >Especially not in prime time. God forbid if we should be >seen as having *actual* "family values."
>-- >Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin >Internet: ander...@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson >NeXTmail w/attachments: ander...@yak.macc.wisc.edu Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc >Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Suffice it to say that no matter how this character is portrayed some of us would complain. (I can't blame them; I complain as much as anyone.)
For some people, it is natural to be celibate between relationships. Why is it so wrong to have one character that represents these people? Aren't they apart of the community?
balis...@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) wrote: >In article <1992Jul9.14275...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, remck...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes: >>And that was about it for the TH. One and half hours and he got >>about 5 minutes total air time.
>Maybe if they had him screw the new cute roomie you'd have been more >impressed? I thought the idea was to put a bunch of people in an >apartment complex and tell us about their lives, two of which happen >to be Black and Homosexual.
With maybe one possible exception (the bitchy southern women), each of the other 7 in the group had a whole subplot dedicated to them. The gay character only had two incidental scenes. -- Rob Bernardo r...@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US
rdona...@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes: > remck...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes: > >I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox. > >Geesh! How disgusting. The cast consisted of nothing > >but beautiful (?) people. I know that _we_ are not *that* > >omnipresent. > Who you callin' "we"? My GBLO* community is diverse enough to > include "the beautiful people", "The people who THINK they are the beautiful > people", "the people who know they are not but wish they were the beautiful > people", "the people who don't care one way or another about being one of > the beautiful people", "the people who want nothing whatsoever to do with > being part of the beautiful people", "the people who woulnd't know > one of the beautiful people if they bit them ont he ass", and all > the other permutations in a Zen-squared sort of way there are.
ummm.....BBC, and what "people" are you a part of? "the people who got grumpy at Richard's beautiful people post"? (typed with a smile)
In article <1992Jul11.192647.2...@tandon.com> t...@tandon.com (Tom Barrett) writes: >>Now take off your clothes, Grandmama has Nair with baby oil just for you.
>YIPES! Only for charity :)
Very well. We'll auction you off to support Grandmama KKruella's home ministry (Haalleluyaaah! cast OUT the seed of SATAN from your quivering *SINFUL* flesh!)
In article <1992Jul12.202313.13...@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US>, r...@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US (Rob Bernardo) writes:
>balis...@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) wrote: >>In article <1992Jul9.14275...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, remck...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes: >>>And that was about it for the TH. One and half hours and he got >>>about 5 minutes total air time.
>>Maybe if they had him screw the new cute roomie you'd have been more >>impressed? I thought the idea was to put a bunch of people in an >>apartment complex and tell us about their lives, two of which happen >>to be Black and Homosexual.
>With maybe one possible exception (the bitchy southern women), each >of the other 7 in the group had a whole subplot dedicated to them. The >gay character only had two incidental scenes.
Well, I was hoping last nights episode would rectify that, but it didn't. :( In fact, the 90210 brats got more air time than most of the regulars... I'm still pleased that they even included a gay character, and I'm sure they'll do something with him in the future. The fact that they haven't given him a swish, dress, butcher knife, or illness, suggests they might deal fairly when the time comes.
