Woman jailed for false rape claim
ANDRAS
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> From the Mirror, 30 October 1999:
>
> A UNIVERSITY student who cried rape "to be the centre of attention"
> burst into tears yesterday when she was jailed for making the story
> up.
>
> A big part of a campus was sealed off after Rowena Jones reported
> being attacked, bound, raped and left on a muddy slope beside a pond.
>
> She gave police a 27-page statement detailing the "assault".
>
> In fact Jones had pulled down her own trousers and tied herself up
> with sticky tape from the art department.
>
> The 21-year-old pleaded guilty at Exeter magistrates' court to
> wasting police time.
>
> Nine hundred police hours were spent on investigating her "ordeal" at
> the city's university.
>
> Staff were taken off other inquiries including murder, a real rape
> and a baby-killing.
>
> David Bowen, prosecuting, said that at one stage 60 officers were
> working on the Jones case.
>
> "Scientists, intelligence support and forensic experts were
> employed," he added. "This was a major inquiry."
>
> Rachel Bentley, defending, said Jones, who is studying for an MA, now
> felt remorse.
>
> Jones's parents - both teachers from Newport in Shropshire - reached
> the court soon after she was sentenced to two months in prison.
>
>
> A couple of years ago there was a similar case and the "victim" was only
> reprimanded. A young man had spent time in custody - where he alleged *he*
> was raped - while the inquiry went on.
>
> The courts are beginning to be less sypathetic towards women.
I'm impressed that she was jailed. "Wasting police time" is wishy-
washy, though; isn't there such an offense as 'public mischief'?
"Centre of attention" or quasi-political statement?
Andras
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"Truth does not penetrate the preoccupied mind" - Ch. Darwin
tet...@my-deja.com
I think it is high time that when anyone makes a false report of
someone committing a felony that too should be considerd a felony. It
needs much more then a slap on the hand and a no no. These things have
ruined men's lives, bankrupted some and I am sure have driven some to
suicide. It happens all to often in pending divorce cases too.
http://www.vix.com/men/falsereport/adult.html
> ----With the cooperation of the police agency of a small metropolitan
community, 45 consecutive, disposed, false rape allegations covering a
9 year period were studied. These false rape allegations constitute 41%
the total forcible rape cases
> "Truth does not penetrate the preoccupied mind" - Ch. Darwin
> Regarding this study, 41% (n= 45) of the total disposed rape cases
(n= 109) were officially declared false during this 9-year period, that
is, by the complainant's admission that no rape had occurred and the
charge, therefore, was false. The incidence figure was variable from
year to year and ranged from a low of 27% (3 out of Il cases) to a high
of 70% (7 out of 10 cases). The 9-year period suggests no trends, and
no explanation has been made for the year-to-year fluctuation.
One of the most haunting and serious implications of false rape
allegations concerns the possibility of miscarried justice. We know
that false convictions occur, but this study only tells us that these
false accusers were weeded out during the very early stages of
investigation. However encouraging this result may be, we cannot claim
that false charging does not incur suffering for the accused. Merely to
be a rape suspect, even for a day or two, translates into psychological
and social trauma.
[Other studies on college campuses have come up with a figure of about
50% for false rape reports]
Quite unexpectedly then, we find that these university women, when
filing a rape complaint, were as likely to file a false as a valid
charge. Other reports from university police agencies support these
findings (Jay, 1991). In both police agencies, the taking of the
complaint and the follow-up investigation was the exclusive
responsibility of a ranking female officer. Neither agency employed the
polygraph and neither declared the complaint false without a
recantation of the charge.
NOTE: 50% of reported rapes were FALSE! Yet very little if anything
is done to these women who RUIN men by doing this. The very mimumum
should be a year in jail for this. Much more if the man actually went
to trail. Since it is very expensive to defend against this, I wonder
how many men plea bargin for a year in jail as opposed to 10 even
though they are innocent? (see Innocent MEN in Prison thread)
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Sky King
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> On 30 Oct 1999 09:19:39 -0000 Ian Newman <doo...@nym.alias.net>
> resolution is to fight any legislation which punishes women for filing
> false police reports.
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Like the Brave said when asked, "Why is your Squaw walking?"
"She got no horse" the Brave responded.
HombreVIII
That's false as in by the FBI standard. What that translates into is that 50%
of the time it was either proven impossible for it to have occured, (a very
rare occurance), or that the woman later confessed to have been lying.
Certainly, there are more false accusations then just ones when the woman
admits it later and thus truth is MORE then 50% of the allegations are false.
>> I'm impressed that she was jailed. "Wasting police time" is wishy-
>> washy, though; isn't there such an offense as 'public mischief'?
How about severe degradation of character? Why isn't she being charged with
that?
Hombre - Work did not set us free.
Pook
>On 30 Oct 1999 09:19:39 -0000 Ian Newman <doo...@nym.alias.net>
>wrote:
>
>>From the Mirror, 30 October 1999:
>>
>> A UNIVERSITY student who cried rape "to be the centre of attention"
>> burst into tears yesterday when she was jailed for making the story
>> up.
>>
A sentence of 20 years would be more appropriate. False rape
accusations are probably far too frequent to be dealt with in such a
slight manner.
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"He who, who he"
Lan
<doo...@nym.alias.net> wrote:
>The courts are beginning to be less sypathetic towards women.
one or two out of thousands that totally arent.
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Phil
Ian Newman <doo...@nym.alias.net> wrote in message
news:199910301556...@nym.alias.net...
| ANDRAS wrote:
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| >> A couple of years ago there was a similar case and the "victim" was
only
| >> reprimanded. A young man had spent time in custody - where he alleged
*he*
| >> was raped - while the inquiry went on.
| >>
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| >washy, though; isn't there such an offense as 'public mischief'?
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| have got longer if she'd been charged with wasting police money.
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| >"Centre of attention" or quasi-political statement?
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| they've been raped and/or abused, preferably in this lifetime. Still,
| she'll be a living martyr when she gets out in about three weeks.
|
| The Women Against Rape viragoes have already been phoning radio talk shows
| to claim she has been persecuted. (She pleaded guilty but they're ignoring
| that.)
Yes I also saw a feminist interviewed on the TV news last night - she said
that because she hadn't actually accused SOMEONE the judgement against her
was too harsh!!! At a time when Police resources are stretched to the limit
as it is - this idiotic feminist apparently did not think there was much
wrong causing the following:-
.
Quoting the original article:
Nine hundred police hours were spent on investigating her "ordeal" at
the city's university.
Staff were taken off other inquiries including murder, a real rape
and a baby-killing.
David Bowen, prosecuting, said that at one stage 60 officers were
working on the Jones case.
"Scientists, intelligence support and forensic experts were
employed," he added. "This was a major inquiry."
Phil
Phil
Sky King <m...@home.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1284e1d0d...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
| > wrote:
| >
| > >From the Mirror, 30 October 1999:
| > >
| > > A UNIVERSITY student who cried rape "to be the centre of
attention"
| > > burst into tears yesterday when she was jailed for making the
story
| > > up.
| > >
| > > being attacked, bound, raped and left on a muddy slope beside a
pond.
| > >
| > > She gave police a 27-page statement detailing the "assault".
| > >
| > > In fact Jones had pulled down her own trousers and tied herself
up
| > > with sticky tape from the art department.
| > >
| > > The 21-year-old pleaded guilty at Exeter magistrates' court to
| > > wasting police time.
| > >
"ordeal" at
| > > the city's university.
| > >
| > > Staff were taken off other inquiries including murder, a real
rape
| > > and a baby-killing.
| > >
| > > David Bowen, prosecuting, said that at one stage 60 officers were
| > > working on the Jones case.
| > >
| > > "Scientists, intelligence support and forensic experts were
| > > employed," he added. "This was a major inquiry."
| > >
now
| > > felt remorse.
| > >
| > > Jones's parents - both teachers from Newport in Shropshire -
reached
| > > the court soon after she was sentenced to two months in prison.
| > >
| > >
only
| > >reprimanded. A young man had spent time in custody - where he alleged
*he*
| > >was raped - while the inquiry went on.
| > >
| > >The courts are beginning to be less sypathetic towards women.
| > >
| > >
| >
| > resolution is to fight any legislation which punishes women for filing
| > false police reports.
| >
| >
| > The man that was accused should have a civil remedy too. Hit her in the
| book.
In this case she merely said that she was "raped by a stranger" no man was
ever accused in THIS case, however her action WASTED a LOT of valuable time
and resources when those involved could have been working on some very REAL
cases.
Phil
ANDRAS
> Nine hundred police hours were spent on investigating her "ordeal" at
> the city's university.
They were looking for a violent sexual predator. There are such devices
out there, and it is the duty of the coppers to try to bust him before
more of the population (especially college girls) gets attacked. Sure
they put effort into it; that's why she deserves to cool her jets for a
while. Such a stunt is not cute; the fable of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"
neatly sums up the moral of the story.
Andras
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tet...@my-deja.com
that 50%
> of the time it was either proven impossible for it to have occured,
(a very
> rare occurance), or that the woman later confessed to have been lying.
> Certainly, there are more false accusations then just ones when the
woman
> admits it later and thus truth is MORE then 50% of the allegations
are false.
>
wishy-
> >> washy, though; isn't there such an offense as 'public mischief'?
>
charged with
> that?
>
> Hombre - Work did not set us free.
Good poin Hombre and I think if a woman falsely accuses a certain man
(by name ect) she should be charged with rape herself since she
psychologically raped him. The charge agaisnt her should be as
serious as the charge agaist him! Maybe then and only then, the number
of them would drop.
tet...@my-deja.com
po...@india.com wrote:
>
> >On 30 Oct 1999 09:19:39 -0000 Ian Newman <doo...@nym.alias.net>=20
> >wrote:
> >
> >>From the Mirror, 30 October 1999:
> >>
> attention"=20
> >> burst into tears yesterday when she was jailed for making the
> story=20
> >> up.=20
> >>
>
> A sentence of 20 years would be more appropriate. False rape
> accusations are probably far too frequent to be dealt with in such a
> slight manner.
>
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Repost from another string with this title but it needs to be repeated:
I think it is high time that when anyone makes a false report of
someone committing a felony that too should be considerd a felony. It
needs much more then a slap on the hand and a no no. These things have
ruined men's lives, bankrupted some and I am sure have driven some to
suicide. It happens all to often in pending divorce cases too.
http://www.vix.com/men/falsereport/adult.html
> ----With the cooperation of the police agency of a small metropolitan
community, 45 consecutive, disposed, false rape allegations covering a
9 year period were studied. These false rape allegations constitute 41%
the total forcible rape cases
> "Truth does not penetrate the preoccupied mind" - Ch. Darwin
> Regarding this study, 41% (n= 45) of the total disposed rape cases
(n= 109) were officially declared false during this 9-year period, that
is, by the complainant's admission that no rape had occurred and the
charge, therefore, was false. The incidence figure was variable from
year to year and ranged from a low of 27% (3 out of Il cases) to a high
of 70% (7 out of 10 cases). The 9-year period suggests no trends, and
no explanation has been made for the year-to-year fluctuation.
One of the most haunting and serious implications of false rape
allegations concerns the possibility of miscarried justice. We know
that false convictions occur, but this study only tells us that these
false accusers were weeded out during the very early stages of
investigation. However encouraging this result may be, we cannot claim
that false charging does not incur suffering for the accused. Merely to
be a rape suspect, even for a day or two, translates into psychological
and social trauma.
[Other studies on college campuses have come up with a figure of about
50% for false rape reports]
>
> "He who, who he"
tet...@my-deja.com
"Phil" <phillew...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
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> Ian Newman <doo...@nym.alias.net> wrote in message
> news:199910301556...@nym.alias.net...
> | ANDRAS wrote:
> |
> |
was
> only
> | >> reprimanded. A young man had spent time in custody - where he
alleged
> *he*
> | >> was raped - while the inquiry went on.
> | >>
> | >> The courts are beginning to be less sypathetic towards women.
> | >
> | >washy, though; isn't there such an offense as 'public mischief'?
> |
> the city's university.
>
rape
> and a baby-killing.
>
> David Bowen, prosecuting, said that at one stage 60 officers
were
> working on the Jones case.
>
> "Scientists, intelligence support and forensic experts were
> employed," he added. "This was a major inquiry."
>
>
http://www.vix.com/men/falsereport/adult.html
>
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Mark Horner
wrote:
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>I'll bet the National Organization of Women is pissed. Their
>resolution is to fight any legislation which punishes women for filing
>false police reports.
>
Strange, you'd think anyone interested in securing justice, especially
through the often murky details of rape, would want to stamp down
hard on obviously fabricated accounts.
MSH
The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde.
S
victims. Stupid bitch.
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Sonia.
(To reply, please remove *** from my email address.)
Kane wrote in message <527d1d9ec3a26b42...@anonymous.poster>...
>On 30 Oct 1999 09:19:39 -0000 Ian Newman <doo...@nym.alias.net>
>wrote:
>
>>From the Mirror, 30 October 1999:
>>
>> A UNIVERSITY student who cried rape "to be the centre of attention"
>> burst into tears yesterday when she was jailed for making the story
>> up.
>>
>> A big part of a campus was sealed off after Rowena Jones reported
>> being attacked, bound, raped and left on a muddy slope beside a
pond.
>>
>> She gave police a 27-page statement detailing the "assault".
>>
>> In fact Jones had pulled down her own trousers and tied herself up
>> with sticky tape from the art department.
>>
>> The 21-year-old pleaded guilty at Exeter magistrates' court to
>> wasting police time.
>>
>> Nine hundred police hours were spent on investigating her "ordeal"
at
>> the city's university.
>>
>> Staff were taken off other inquiries including murder, a real rape
>> and a baby-killing.
>>
>> David Bowen, prosecuting, said that at one stage 60 officers were
>> working on the Jones case.
>>
>> "Scientists, intelligence support and forensic experts were
>> employed," he added. "This was a major inquiry."
>>
>> Rachel Bentley, defending, said Jones, who is studying for an MA,
now
>> felt remorse.
>>
>> Jones's parents - both teachers from Newport in Shropshire - reached
>> the court soon after she was sentenced to two months in prison.
>>
>>
>>A couple of years ago there was a similar case and the "victim" was only
>>reprimanded. A young man had spent time in custody - where he alleged *he*
>>was raped - while the inquiry went on.
>>
>>The courts are beginning to be less sypathetic towards women.
>>
>>
>
S
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Ian Newman wrote in message <199910310619...@nym.alias.net>...
>S wrote:
>
>>Jesus, women like that make it even more of a nightmare for real rape
>>victims. Stupid bitch.
>>
>>--
>>Sonia.
>
>No concern for men who might be falsely accused, just concern for females.
>
>Typical feminist blinkered thinking.
Rich
S wrote:
>
> If you believe that's how I meant it... well.. good for you.
That is the only problem you saw. That is the only problem
feminism sees.
Can you name any other problems with false rape accusations?
Rich
Rich
Ian Newman wrote:
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> S wrote:
>
> >Jesus, women like that make it even more of a nightmare for real rape
> >victims. Stupid bitch.
> >
> >--
> >Sonia.
>
> No concern for men who might be falsely accused, just concern for females.
Over the years several feminists (like Avedon) have claimed that this is
not the only thing that feminists see wrong with false rape accusations,
but I have never seen a single feminist come up with anything different.
A rare few after much debate have admitted that there may be another problem,
but it is absolutely never something that either occurs to them or is even
obvious to them when it is pointed out.
That an innocent man may spend ten years in prison is not a feminist problem
and never will be.
> Typical feminist blinkered thinking.
No, it's typical sexist thinking, sexist to the core.
Rich
Geoffrey J. Transom [COPS]
Recall what Bart Simpson said about that story? He was asked if he had heard
about it, and his response was:
"Yeah, I've heard about it. Boy cries 'Wolf!', has a few laughs .... I
forget how it ends."
heh heh.
Of course, this case is serious, but you started it, with your talk of
crying wolf.
Cheers,
Geoff.
_______________________
Geoffrey J. Transom
Monash University
AUSTRALIA
_______________________
ANDRAS <a@b.c> wrote in message
news:MPG.128527929...@news1.qc.sympatico.ca...
(snip) Such a stunt is not cute; the fable of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"
> neatly sums up the moral of the story.
>
> Andras
> ----
ANDRAS
Geoffrey...@BusEco.Monash.edu.au broadcasted a bitstream which
decodes to...
> Hiya Andras.
>
> Recall what Bart Simpson said about that story? He was asked if he had heard
> about it, and his response was:
>
> "Yeah, I've heard about it. Boy cries 'Wolf!', has a few laughs .... I
> forget how it ends."
>
> heh heh.
>
> Of course, this case is serious, but you started it, with your talk of
> crying wolf.
Pardon me? I'm not sure that I get your drift here.
Jeff Lindstrom
> >wrote:
> >
> >>From the Mirror, 30 October 1999:
> >>
> >> A UNIVERSITY student who cried rape "to be the centre of
> >> attention" burst into tears yesterday when she was jailed for making the
> >> story up.
> A sentence of 20 years would be more appropriate. False rape
> accusations are probably far too frequent to be dealt with in such a
> slight manner.
This was almost 20 years ago, but a woman recanted a rape claim she made
(to cover up a consensual sex act from her parents while she was a
teenager). As a result of her original claim, a man was arrested,
convicted and spent several years in jail (she claims she felt trapped
into testifying against him as he so closely matched her description of
her assailant).
A conversion to a more religious lifestyle prompted her to come clean and
the man was freed.
She never spent any time in jail and I doubt she compensated the man in
any meaningful way.
Jeff
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Sky King
<3XTU3.6584$zd.1...@news1.alsv1.occa.home.com>,
j_...@home.com says...
think of a way to punish her.
sic transit gloria mundi
"S" <nikhil@***ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> Jesus, women like that make it even more of a nightmare for real rape
> victims. Stupid bitch.
>
> --
> Sonia.
Absolutely, hardly helpful is it? Vey rare event though, out of
hundreds and hundreds of studies it has never been a particularly
prominent feature.
Men do of course get accused of crimes that are not always entirely
their fault. It is neither simple or clear cut.
Consenuality can be legitimately mistaken or confused. However most sex
crime against females are not reported because the females can't see
any point. It is an uphill jouney for them.
--
sic transit gloria mundi
Pook
wrote:
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>> A sentence of 20 years would be more appropriate. False rape
>> accusations are probably far too frequent to be dealt with in such a
>> slight manner.
>
> This was almost 20 years ago, but a woman recanted a rape claim she made
>(to cover up a consensual sex act from her parents while she was a
>teenager). As a result of her original claim, a man was arrested,
>convicted and spent several years in jail (she claims she felt trapped
>into testifying against him as he so closely matched her description of
>her assailant).
>
> A conversion to a more religious lifestyle prompted her to come clean and
>the man was freed.
>
> She never spent any time in jail and I doubt she compensated the man in
>any meaningful way.
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>Jeff
If God were fair...she would pay in HELL. More realistically, she
really should have spent time in the big house. It is even more
frightening to think howe many people are sent to jail for rape
without any actual "evidence". Kind of makes you wonder how many of
these innocent guys are sitting in jail
Pook
<cada...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <7vganv$hpn$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>,
> "S" <nikhil@***ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>> Jesus, women like that make it even more of a nightmare for real rape
>> victims. Stupid bitch.
>Absolutely, hardly helpful is it? Vey rare event though, out of
>hundreds and hundreds of studies it has never been a particularly
>prominent feature.
Actually, it is unknown how "rare" it is. Studies can't really help
much here since the problem derives from problems inherent in our
legal system.
>
>Men do of course get accused of crimes that are not always entirely
>their fault. It is neither simple or clear cut.
>
>Consenuality can be legitimately mistaken or confused. However most sex
>crime against females are not reported because the females can't see
>any point. It is an uphill jouney for them.
Again....we can only speculate that "most" or even "any" sex crimes go
unreported. IMHO I would say "some" go unreported..but I can't even
prove that ANY go unreported (by definition).
Sky King
po...@india.com says...
> On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 16:41:52 GMT, sic transit gloria mundi
> <cada...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <7vganv$hpn$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>,
> > "S" <nikhil@***ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> >> Jesus, women like that make it even more of a nightmare for real rape
> >> victims. Stupid bitch.
>
> >Absolutely, hardly helpful is it? Vey rare event though, out of
> >hundreds and hundreds of studies it has never been a particularly
> >prominent feature.
>
That is 25%. Time to hang some lying bitches.
>
> Actually, it is unknown how "rare" it is. Studies can't really help
> much here since the problem derives from problems inherent in our
> legal system.
>
> >
> >Men do of course get accused of crimes that are not always entirely
> >their fault. It is neither simple or clear cut.
> >
> >Consenuality can be legitimately mistaken or confused. However most sex
> >crime against females are not reported because the females can't see
> >any point. It is an uphill jouney for them.
>
> Again....we can only speculate that "most" or even "any" sex crimes go
> unreported. IMHO I would say "some" go unreported..but I can't even
> prove that ANY go unreported (by definition).
>
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> "He who, who he"
>
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Angilion
<cada...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <7vganv$hpn$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>,
> "S" <nikhil@***ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>> Jesus, women like that make it even more of a nightmare for real rape
>> victims. Stupid bitch.
Some people might possibly consider men to be the main victims
of false accusations against men.
>Absolutely, hardly helpful is it? Vey rare event though, out of
>hundreds and hundreds of studies it has never been a particularly
>prominent feature.
Please name those hundreds and hundreds of studies. Hell, name
ten of them. Please make sure that the studies you name did actually
look at the issue of false rape accusations.
>Men do of course get accused of crimes that are not always entirely
>their fault. It is neither simple or clear cut.
I notice that you don't even acknowledge the possibility of a man
being accused of a crime that he didn't commit. At best, it's not
entirely his fault.
>Consenuality can be legitimately mistaken or confused. However most sex
>crime against females are not reported because the females can't see
>any point. It is an uphill jouney for them.
Almost certainly true, but it's not relevant. It's also more true for sex
crimes against male people.
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HombreVIII
>>crime against females are not reported because the females can't see
>>any point. It is an uphill jouney for them.
>
>Almost certainly true, but it's not relevant. It's also more true for
>sex
>crimes against male people.
I don't know why you would think that Angilion. Women often are able to convict
men of rape with little or even no evidence. How can that possibly be an uphill
battle?
I assume you're not referring to the stigma of being a "slut" or something
because a girl was raped, that hasn't existed for 30 years, and I doubt it
existed back then either.
John O
HombreVIII wrote in message
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Hmmm. I have no idea of how the US system works, but by all accounts the UK
system is pretty nasty if u r trying to prove a rape allegation in it.
Perhaps that is the nature of the offence: since proof is required to a
certain standard, defence lawyers are bound to use all sorts of nasty
tactics to undermine the alleged victim.
Unfortunately, that applies equally in all cases: a real victim is treated
just as badly as a false claimant. In many ways, it might be more
off-putting for a real victim: as she will already have suffered the
humilation of being raped, the court experience can effectively add to the
existing trauma.
A false claimant, not having had the experience in the first place, is
probably going to be less vulnerable.
I would therefore not under-estimate the extent to which bringing a
complaint can be an uphill struggle.
Sky King
aud...@hotmail.com says...
experiences but you can bring up the accused past.
Its a joke.
Sky King
angi...@yinyang.enterprise-plc.com says...
> On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 16:41:52 GMT, sic transit gloria mundi
> <cada...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <7vganv$hpn$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>,
> > "S" <nikhil@***ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> >> Jesus, women like that make it even more of a nightmare for real rape
> >> victims. Stupid bitch.
>
> Some people might possibly consider men to be the main victims
> of false accusations against men.
>
> >Absolutely, hardly helpful is it? Vey rare event though, out of
> >hundreds and hundreds of studies it has never been a particularly
> >prominent feature.
>
RARE? Not according to FBI stats. They show that 1/4
or 15% of rape claims are false. No other crime is
falsely reported as much as rape.
> Please name those hundreds and hundreds of studies. Hell, name
> ten of them. Please make sure that the studies you name did actually
> look at the issue of false rape accusations.
>
> >Men do of course get accused of crimes that are not always entirely
> >their fault. It is neither simple or clear cut.
>
> I notice that you don't even acknowledge the possibility of a man
> being accused of a crime that he didn't commit. At best, it's not
> entirely his fault.
>
> >Consenuality can be legitimately mistaken or confused. However most sex
> >crime against females are not reported because the females can't see
> >any point. It is an uphill jouney for them.
>
> Almost certainly true, but it's not relevant. It's also more true for sex
> crimes against male people.
> --
>
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>
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Sky King
angi...@yinyang.enterprise-plc.com says...
> On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 16:41:52 GMT, sic transit gloria mundi
> <cada...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <7vganv$hpn$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>,
> > "S" <nikhil@***ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> >> Jesus, women like that make it even more of a nightmare for real rape
> >> victims. Stupid bitch.
>
> Some people might possibly consider men to be the main victims
> of false accusations against men.
>
> >Absolutely, hardly helpful is it? Vey rare event though, out of
> >hundreds and hundreds of studies it has never been a particularly
> >prominent feature.
>
RARE? Not according to FBI stats. They show that 1/4
or 25% of rape claims are false. No other crime is
fred klein
>
> In article
> <3XTU3.6584$zd.1...@news1.alsv1.occa.home.com>,
> j_...@home.com says...
> > In article <SugaOAiuDIWtMI...@4ax.com>, po...@india.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 30 Oct 1999 09:19:39 -0000 Ian Newman <doo...@nym.alias.net>=20
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>From the Mirror, 30 October 1999:
> > > >>
> > > >> A UNIVERSITY student who cried rape "to be the centre of
> > > >> attention" burst into tears yesterday when she was jailed for making the
> > > >> story up.
> >
> > > accusations are probably far too frequent to be dealt with in such a
> > > slight manner.
> >
> > This was almost 20 years ago, but a woman recanted a rape claim she made
> > (to cover up a consensual sex act from her parents while she was a
> > teenager). As a result of her original claim, a man was arrested,
> > convicted and spent several years in jail (she claims she felt trapped
> > into testifying against him as he so closely matched her description of
> > her assailant).
> >
> > A conversion to a more religious lifestyle prompted her to come clean and
> > the man was freed.
> >
> > She never spent any time in jail and I doubt she compensated the man in
> > any meaningful way.
> >
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > NOTE: Remove underscores from my e-mail address to reply personally.
> >
> I am sure if I were the man who did the time I could
> think of a way to punish her.
Isn't this what the movie "Double Jeopardy" is about?
Fred "I'll take 'Crimes I've already been convicted for' for $200,
Alex" Klein
Mitchell Holman
}In article <SugaOAiuDIWtMI...@4ax.com>, po...@india.com wrote:
}>
}> >On 30 Oct 1999 09:19:39 -0000 Ian Newman <doo...@nym.alias.net>=20
}> >wrote:
}> >
}> >>From the Mirror, 30 October 1999:
}> >>
}> >> A UNIVERSITY student who cried rape "to be the centre of
}> >> attention" burst into tears yesterday when she was jailed for making the
}> >> story up.
}
}> A sentence of 20 years would be more appropriate. False rape
}> accusations are probably far too frequent to be dealt with in such a
}> slight manner.
}
} This was almost 20 years ago, but a woman recanted a rape claim she made
}(to cover up a consensual sex act from her parents while she was a
}teenager). As a result of her original claim, a man was arrested,
}convicted and spent several years in jail (she claims she felt trapped
}into testifying against him as he so closely matched her description of
}her assailant).
}
} A conversion to a more religious lifestyle prompted her to come clean and
}the man was freed.
}
} She never spent any time in jail and I doubt she compensated the man in
}any meaningful way.
The man's name was Gary Dodson, and it happened in 1982
or 83. The funny part is, after the woman recanted the governor
refused to release him, saying the recantation was "not credible"
(but her original story was?). Anyway, he was eventually released,
but was back in jail pretty quickly on an assault charge. Not exactly
a rocket scientist.
Angilion
IIRC the woman wrote a book. Was it called "Forgive Me"?
National Organization for Women
wrote:
Funny how you sometimes only get one side of the story. NOW was
involved in the lobbying of the Illinois governor, and we were actually
successful in making sure this felon remained behind bars for longer
than he would have.
The truth of the matter is that the woman was coerced into recanting
her statement. Death threats from a felon and his relatives will
sometimes do that to a person....
Patricia Ireland
President
National Organization for Women
Lan
> Funny how you sometimes only get one side of the story. NOW was
> involved in the lobbying of the Illinois governor, and we were
> actually successful in making sure this felon remained behind bars
> for longer than he would have.
> The truth of the matter is that the woman was coerced into recanting
> her statement. Death threats from a felon and his relatives will
> sometimes do that to a person....
Tazzles, shut the fuck up you asshole evil sexist female.
Or are you really Patricia, pretending to be herself from an anonymous
remailer? That wouldnt surpise me at all. Either way you are a subhuman
scum and troll.
--
My website: http://members.tripod.com/LanTheBoy
Email: Anti-chaos. ICQ://26027485
Let the blight fall in.....
Pook
Women) wrote:
>> The man's name was Gary Dodson, and it happened in 1982
>> or 83. The funny part is, after the woman recanted the governor
>> refused to release him, saying the recantation was "not credible"
>> (but her original story was?). Anyway, he was eventually released,
>> but was back in jail pretty quickly on an assault charge. Not exactly
>> a rocket scientist.
>
>Funny how you sometimes only get one side of the story. NOW was
>involved in the lobbying of the Illinois governor, and we were actually
>successful in making sure this felon remained behind bars for longer
>than he would have.
>
>The truth of the matter is that the woman was coerced into recanting
>her statement. Death threats from a felon and his relatives will
>sometimes do that to a person....
DO you know this for sure?
How do you know she is not/was not lying? This is not uncommon.
Remember, even *you* could be wrong.
Sera Mills
Looks like FAKE headers to me, Pook. BUt whoever wrote it your
argument is valid.
Pook
>On 12 Nov 1999 22:33:30 -0000, n...@now.org (National Organization for
>Women) wrote:
>
>
Er...sorry....faked headers.
Mitchell Holman
}> or 83. The funny part is, after the woman recanted the governor
}> refused to release him, saying the recantation was "not credible"
}> (but her original story was?). Anyway, he was eventually released,
}> but was back in jail pretty quickly on an assault charge. Not exactly
}> a rocket scientist.
}
}Funny how you sometimes only get one side of the story. NOW was
}involved in the lobbying of the Illinois governor, and we were actually
}successful in making sure this felon remained behind bars for longer
}than he would have.
}
}The truth of the matter is that the woman was coerced into recanting
}her statement. Death threats from a felon and his relatives will
}sometimes do that to a person....
}
Here is a question for the "Patricia Ireland" troll:
1) Since NOW lobbied the governor, tell us who the
governor was at the time.
2) Tell us the name of the woman, and why she recanted
her story. (Hint: it wasn't death threats).
Lan
>> Tazzles, shut the fuck up you asshole evil sexist female.
>> Or are you really Patricia, pretending to be herself from an
>> anonymous remailer? That wouldnt surpise me at all. Either way you
>> are a subhuman scum and troll.
>> -- My website: http://members.tripod.com/LanTheBoy
>> Email: Anti-chaos. ICQ://26027485
>> Let the blight fall in.....
> Thanks, but all the same, I'll continue to post when I want, where I
> want, and what I want. If you don't like it, boo *fucking* hoo.
Arent you the one crying, evil little brat?
John Reinhagen
Hash: SHA1
From the hand of an anonymous forger posing as Tazzles:
>Thanks, but all the same, I'll continue to post when I want, where I
>want, and what I want. If you don't like it, boo *fucking* hoo.
Lan, read the headers of that post before you reply to it. It was posted
from an anonymous remailer that allows its users to forge return addresses.
The probable forger is David Moore, who has a pathetic grudge against
Tazzles (and about a dozen other people) and whose post-forging ways are
documented at http://www.fc.net/~wrain/dmtc.html.
JCR
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Phil
news:1999111306204...@nym.alias.net...
| On Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:41:04 GMT ta2...@airmail.net (Mitchell Holman)
| questions".
...Meaning you got caught lying through your teeth again!!
|Now go away, chauvinist pig.
*LOL* Thats rich - coming from an ill-mannered lying Bitch troll. :-o)
|
| Patricia Ireland
| President
| National Organization for Women
|
Yeah right - and my names "Kevin Kosner"!!!
"Kevin Kosner" (aka Phil)
John Reinhagen
Hash: SHA1
From the hand of an anonymous forger pretending to be Tazzles:
>Sorry, I have no need to engage in your childish game of "20
>questions". Now go away, chauvinist pig.
>
>Patricia Ireland
>President
>National Organization for Women
Hm. Tazzles was not heretofore known to be Patricia Ireland, nor to forge
posts as if she were a member of NOW, nor to use anonymous remailers. She
is therefore unlikely to be the author of the post above.
David Moore, on the other hand, does use anonymous remailers to forge posts
and does like to issue false statements on behalf of NOW.
http://www.fc.net/~wrain/dmtc.html contains a summary of his past forgeries;
note especially http://www.fc.net/~wrain/dmarch-ara.html#ara1, in which he
issued a forged ultimatum from NOW.
NOW is a sexist, bullying organization, but it's not responsible for these
recent forgeries. David Moore probably is.
JCR
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PAUL
> On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:05:49 +0000 Lan <as...@zxcv.net> wrote:
>
> >n...@now.org (National Organization for Women) wrote:
> >
> >> Funny how you sometimes only get one side of the story. NOW was
> >> involved in the lobbying of the Illinois governor, and we were
> >> actually successful in making sure this felon remained behind bars
> >> for longer than he would have.
> >
> >> The truth of the matter is that the woman was coerced into recanting
> >> her statement. Death threats from a felon and his relatives will
> >> sometimes do that to a person....
> >
> >
> >Or are you really Patricia, pretending to be herself from an anonymous
> >remailer? That wouldnt surpise me at all. Either way you are a subhuman
> >scum and troll.
> >
> >--
> >My website: http://members.tripod.com/LanTheBoy
> >Email: Anti-chaos. ICQ://26027485
> >
> >Let the blight fall in.....
> >
> >
>
PAUL
Patrcia Ireland. I thought I recognized the header on her messages. How ya
doin' liar? Paul Laird
PAUL
came up. The Governor of Illinois at that time, James Thompson, convened a
special hearing because Illinois law did not allow for a rape victim to
recant 12 years after the fact. The only way Mr. Dodson could get out of
jail was if he was pardoned or found not guilty. Dodson was released after
the special hearing. N.O.W. played ABSOLUTELY NO PART in any of this.
The woman in question was never forced to recant. She voluntarily told her
PASTOR in Connecticutt what happened. The pastor called the State's Attorney
in Cook County, IL where the rape trial occurred. Then that Prosecutor
refused to reopen the case the woman and her husband contacted newspapers
and the Governor of Illinois.
The person who posted this is a fake and a liar. Paul Laird
National Organization for Women <n...@now.org> wrote in message
news:199911122234...@nym.alias.net...
>
> Funny how you sometimes only get one side of the story. NOW was
> involved in the lobbying of the Illinois governor, and we were actually
> successful in making sure this felon remained behind bars for longer
> than he would have.
>
> The truth of the matter is that the woman was coerced into recanting
> her statement. Death threats from a felon and his relatives will
> sometimes do that to a person....
>
Mark Evans
> Hmmm. I have no idea of how the US system works, but by all accounts the UK
> system is pretty nasty if u r trying to prove a rape allegation in it.
> Perhaps that is the nature of the offence: since proof is required to a
> certain standard, defence lawyers are bound to use all sorts of nasty
> tactics to undermine the alleged victim.
> Unfortunately, that applies equally in all cases: a real victim is treated
> just as badly as a false claimant. In many ways, it might be more
> off-putting for a real victim: as she will already have suffered the
> humilation of being raped, the court experience can effectively add to the
> existing trauma.
It's been claimed that this would put off false accusations.
> A false claimant, not having had the experience in the first place, is
> probably going to be less vulnerable.
Also a false accuser is acting, they are a con artist, they are in
control. There may actually be very little they have in common with
an actual victim.
Society
PAUL <thel...@att.net> wrote in message
news:80l3t0$qap$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
> This is a blatant falsehood. I lived in Illinois when
> the Gary Dodson case came up. The Governor
> of Illinois at that time, James Thompson, convened a
> special hearing because Illinois law did not allow
> for a rape victim to recant 12 years after the fact.
> The only way Mr. Dodson could get out of
> jail was if he was pardoned or found not guilty.
The case of Cathleen Crowell Webb falsely accusing
Gary Dotson is documented in her book, _Forgive Me_.
You are correct, Paul, the feminists are desperate
to bunk (as opposed to debunk) the Big Lie that
women never lie about something as serious as
a rape accusation -- even to the point of spreading
falsehoods about "forced confessions" in the Webb
case.
It's just more evidence that feminism is well on its
way to cracking up.
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