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Andre Lieven  
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 More options Jan 14 2003, 7:20 pm
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From: dg...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven)
Date: 15 Jan 2003 00:11:48 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 14 2003 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: Bewitched/I Dream of Jeanie
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"wd" (server57...@hotmail.com) writes:
> "Denise noe" <denise...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030114163850.10001.00000663@mb-ml.aol.com...

>> A long time ago, I started a thread here asking posters about their
>> favorite TV and movie depictions of male dominant/female submissive
>> relationships. Society @ feminismisinvalid said his was the Richard
>> Burton/Elizabeth Taylor version of "The Taming of the Shrew." This was
>> a very well done movie of Shakespeare's play. Someone else mentioned
>> a movie about (I think) a coach and his wife. I mentioned that Helen
>> Andelin, founder of the submissive woman/male dominant program
>> "Fascinating Womanhood," encourages her followers to watch "Scarecrow
>> and Mrs. King." I've since learned that she also tells them to watch
>> "Bewitched" and "I Dream of Jeanie" for guidance on how to relate to the
>> men in their lives.
>> What do you think of these programs? Do these relationships seem male
>> dominant/female submissive?

> I don't see how either show could be considered "submissive woman/male
> dominant" because each of these women characters had magical powers and
> therefore had the clear advantage.

Indeed. As it happened, here in Canada, on Prime ( TV channel up here
on cable for older reruns ), they ran in a one hour bloc, the pilots for
both Beweitched and I Dream Of Jeannie.

In the Bewitched pilot, Darren and Sam meet, court, and marry, and *only
on the wedding night*, did Sam tell Darren about her... heritage and
family.

That strikes me as typical modern woman firsterism of, " I want what *I*
want, and screw him until I *get it*. "

In the Jeannie pilot, after Major Nelson returned to the US, with
Jeannie in her bottle, once she was at his home, and knew that Nelson
*had a fiancee*, Jeannie went out of her way to display herself in
the guise of " the other woman " in said fiancee's presence. IOW,
" I want what *I* want, and screw him until I *get it*... "

My... how male dominant... NOT !

> Relationship wise, maybe the man was the "king of his castle" and the rolls
> were depicted as traditional husband works and is the boss of the family,
> while the woman stays home and takes care of the house.

And, *rules* said house...

>> Would women be better wives by following the examples of the heroines in
>> these old TV series?

Perhaps if they followed the examples of such as.... I can't think of
one where the guy's needs, wants and interests came first... Can *you* ?

> Maybe not better wives. But surely relationships would last longer and be
> healthier.Especially for the kids.

>> Thanks to anybody who answers.

> My favorite old school married couple is Ralph and Alice in the
> *Honeymooners*
> "Baby!... You're the Greatest!"

Did Alice ever say that to *him* ?

" Everything old is new again ".

Andre

--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
                                    The Man Prayer, Red Green.


 
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