Women's Role in Media Shrinking
Chive Mynde
Studies Show Women's Role in Media Shrinking
Run Date: 05/21/02
By Nancy Cook Lauer WEnews correspondent
Studies show women journalists' role in America's newsrooms is
shrinking, even though women predominate in undergraduate and graduate
journalism programs, and have for decades.
MIAMI (WOMENSENEWS)--As an intern working the business beat of a major
daily newspaper in the Midwest, Gail DeGeorge got her first taste of
just how
male-dominated her chosen field was when her welcoming lunch was held
at the newspaper's usual spot: the downtown Playboy Club.
That was 20 years ago, and DeGeorge and other female journalists have
seen some change in male attitudes since then. DeGeorge, now business
editor
for the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, characterized her lunch invitation
as
"oblivious, not malicious."
"You wouldn't do that now, and I think things are better now than they
were then," DeGeorge said. "But business journalism is definitely a
male
bastion."
Study after study into sex roles in the media continue to show that
women have a long way to go before their voices are really heard,
either as
guiding forces from within the news organization or as credible
sources
from without.
The most recent newsroom census by the American Society of Newspaper
Editors found that the percentage of women in newspaper newsrooms
decreased
slightly from 37.35 percent to 37 percent. While slight, the decrease
comes at a
time when women continue to represent the 60 percent or more of
students in
college journalism programs. Minority women at newspapers comprise
only
2.99 percent of all women.
Women account for only 24 percent of television news directors and 20
percent of radio news directors, according to the 2001 Women and
Minorities Survey conducted in the United States by the
Radio-Television News
Directors Association and Foundation. The study was discussed at an
April
conference of the Women's Funding Network, where about 100 women's
foundations
from around the world met to discuss solutions to global problems.
There's a shortage of women on the other side of that microphone as
well. A study by the White House Project found that women accounted
for only 11
percent of all guest appearances on Sunday talk shows in 2000 and 2001
and only 10 percent when guests included presidential and
vice-presidential
candidates. Once accepted on the talk show, women spoke 10 percent
fewer words, and were much less likely to be called back as a repeat
guest.
In fact, women accounted for only 7 percent of repeat guests.
Sept. 11 Worsened Gender Imbalance
The situation significantly worsened after the Sept. 11 terrorist
attacks, according to the study. From Sept. 11 to Oct. 28, guest
appearances by
American women dropped 39 percent. Add foreign officials to the mix,
and the drop was 12 percent.
"The Sunday shows have the potential to allow women to be seen in
intimate settings as trustworthy authority figures, debaters, leaders,
communicators and experts. Conversely, they have the potential to
maintain
traditional gender roles and to perpetuate existing notions that women
lack the
credibility, expertise and authority to address our nation's most
significant problems," the report concludes. "It is our hope that the
release of this report will inspire the networks to work toward
remedying the inequitable representation of women guests on their
shows."
"When there are only one or two women on these shows. People think
there aren't any women authorities out there," said Marie C. Wilson,
president of the Ms. Foundation for Women and the White House Project.
"People don't know their women leaders."
Attempting to Join the Boys' Club
Anecdotal evidence abounds as well, and many stories like DeGeorge's
were shared at a recent newswomen's workshop in Miami. The workshop,
"Women
Reaching for the Top: Initiatives for Media Leadership," was organized
by the International Women's Media Foundation. The series of
leadership
workshops is geared toward women journalists in mid-level positions.
The first in the series of workshops was held in New York in February.
In addition to the Miami workshop in April, another program took place
in
Los Angeles and the next workshop is slated for June 27 in San
Francisco.
Real-life experiences the women talked about at the workshops ranged
from missing out on valuable networking opportunities because they
weren't
invited to men's poker nights, to studying basketball rankings in
order
to join in the comradery of the office sports betting pools.
"This is a profession that has to learn a lot about bringing more
voices to the table and creating more opportunities," said Eleanor
Clift, a
contributing editor for Newsweek and a founding board member of the
media foundation.
Helping Women Crack the Glass Ceiling
Talking about the lack of a female presence in the media is one thing.
Helping women crack that glass ceiling is something else entirely.
That's why the International Women's Media Foundation was formed in
1990, and why the organization has decided to tackle the white,
male-dominated profession one woman leader at a time.
The workshops focus on building practical skills to work within the
newsroom culture and change it. Risk-taking, conflict resolution,
career mapping and communication skills were emphasized in a day-long
training session.
One of the primary challenges women face in the news business is the
demanding and often unpredictable schedule. A survey conducted with
women in 44 countries in 2000 found that 64 percent said balancing
work and
family is their top obstacle.
"One of the things that we'd like to do during our tenure is to reach
out to more up-and-coming journalists to help them find the paths they
most
desperately wanted to find in leadership," said foundation co-chair
Bailey Morris-Eck, and a senior associate at the Reuters Foundation,
who spoke
at the New York workshop.
Nancy Cook Lauer is a journalist covering state government in
Tallahassee, Fla.
For more information:
International Women's Media Foundation:
<http://www.iwmf.org>
The White House Project: "Who's Talking? An Analysis of Sunday Morning
Talk Shows":
<http://www.thewhitehouseproject.org/forum_frame.html>
Also see Women's Enews, December 6, 2001: "Women Denied Talk Show Rite
of Political Passage":
<http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/745/>
Michael Snyder
the next he says they're being unfairly squeezed out...
if feminism is so strong, how come it can't prevent
women's role in the media from shrinking?
Chronos
Chive Mynde
This is a wonderful demosnstration of the bitter boy fallacies.
Thanks for making a fool of yourself yet again.
The fact that women's role in the media is shrinking demonstrates
my point that feminism is more relevant today than ever.
Please, get an education and learn to read before posting again.
-=Chive
Science is not belief, but the will to find out.
Michael Snyder
>
> Michael Snyder <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message news:<3CF6B46B...@redhat.com>...
>
> > Jeez, one minute he says they're growing stronger,
> > the next he says they're being unfairly squeezed out...
> > if feminism is so strong, how come it can't prevent
> > women's role in the media from shrinking?
>
> This is a wonderful demosnstration of
your logical fallacies? Oh, you get WAY weirder than this...
Rich
Chive Mynde wrote:
>
> Michael Snyder <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message news:<3CF6B46B...@redhat.com>...
>
> > Jeez, one minute he says they're growing stronger,
> > the next he says they're being unfairly squeezed out...
> > if feminism is so strong, how come it can't prevent
> > women's role in the media from shrinking?
>
> This is a wonderful demosnstration of the bitter boy fallacies.
Michael, women are all powerful, but like Superman, they have their
kryptonite. Some of these poor women were exposed to Barbie's in
their youth, it saps their strength and turns them into moms.
We need to spend 120 dollars out of every 100 we earn to find a
cure for this malady. Those poor women....
> The fact that women's role in the media is shrinking demonstrates
> my point that feminism is more relevant today than ever.
In fact, until women are 100% of everything, as long as men exist
anywhere, feminism will have an enemy to attack and denigrate.
Rich
Frost
This disparity is prolly attributed to women missing out on work when
having children. If they want to succeed they shouldn't have kids.
If they want children they should realize what will happen to their
career.
Frost
Greg
> May 26, 2002
>
> Studies Show Women's Role in Media Shrinking
> Run Date: 05/21/02
Why do you think that is? Given the EEOC and affirmative action, why
would women's role in the media still be shrinking?
Are men just better journalists?
> By Nancy Cook Lauer WEnews correspondent
>
> Studies show women journalists' role in America's newsrooms is
> shrinking, even though women predominate in undergraduate and graduate
> journalism programs, and have for decades.
It would be interesting to know how many female journalism students
actually finish their degrees, and how many actually look for a job
after doing so. It's my experience that cushy degrees like journalism
are what women use to increase their marketability, with no intention
whatsoever of working once they've found men to support them.
> MIAMI (WOMENSENEWS)--As an intern working the business beat of a major
> daily newspaper in the Midwest, Gail DeGeorge got her first taste of
> just how
> male-dominated her chosen field was when her welcoming lunch was held
> at the newspaper's usual spot: the downtown Playboy Club.
>
> That was 20 years ago,
Note how she mentions the age of this observation only after she's
used it to bash modern-day men.
> and DeGeorge and other female journalists have
> seen some change in male attitudes since then.
That would be "men's attitudes," for those who think of men as human.
> DeGeorge, now business
> editor
> for the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, characterized her lunch invitation
> as
> "oblivious, not malicious."
>
> "You wouldn't do that now, and I think things are better now than they
> were then," DeGeorge said. "But business journalism is definitely a
> male
> bastion."
Horror of all horrors! A profession dominated by men! Oh grief! Oh
wretched sorrow! Their should _only_ be professions dominated by
women, like nursing and teaching! <sob>
> Study after study into sex roles in the media continue to show that
> women have a long way to go before their voices are really heard,
> either as
> guiding forces from within the news organization or as credible
> sources
> from without.
What does this really mean?
"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a
gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were
instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish
squirting out ink."
-George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language"
> The most recent newsroom census by the American Society of Newspaper
> Editors found that the percentage of women in newspaper newsrooms
> decreased
> slightly from 37.35 percent to 37 percent. While slight, the decrease
> comes at a
> time when women continue to represent the 60 percent or more of
> students in
> college journalism programs.
Well the 40 percent of journalism students who are men can't rely on
someone to support them and will most likely have to support others.
<snip>
> There's a shortage of women on the other side of that microphone as
> well. A study by the White House Project found that women accounted
> for only 11
> percent of all guest appearances on Sunday talk shows in 2000 and 2001
How many women have anything meaningful to say on these shows? And
would they be as meaningful as the men who do get selected for the
shows?
<snip>
> candidates. Once accepted on the talk show, women spoke 10 percent
> fewer words,
Wow! Women talking less than men!! This truly is suprising. How are
men to blame, though? Are the women being gagged?
> and were much less likely to be called back as a repeat
> guest.
First we see that they talk less, and then we find that they don't get
invited back. Is there a correlation? If it were my talk show, I
certainly wouldn't invite someone back who just sat there like a sack
of flour.
> In fact, women accounted for only 7 percent of repeat guests.
>
> Sept. 11 Worsened Gender Imbalance
Herein lies the true horror of September 11th, ladies and gentlemen.
Not the lives lost, but fewer guest appearances by women.
> The situation significantly worsened after the Sept. 11 terrorist
> attacks, according to the study. From Sept. 11 to Oct. 28, guest
> appearances by
> American women dropped 39 percent. Add foreign officials to the mix,
> and the drop was 12 percent.
Now why would women somehow appear less relevant after Sept 11th,
hrmm? Could it be that it was men who rushed in to save us when the
nation was attacked?
> "The Sunday shows have the potential to allow women to be seen in
> intimate settings as trustworthy authority figures, debaters, leaders,
> communicators and experts.
Or rather to be seen as people who really really want to be trusted
authority figures, but just don't make the cut.
> Conversely, they have the potential to
> maintain
> traditional gender roles and to perpetuate existing notions that women
> lack the
> credibility, expertise and authority to address our nation's most
> significant problems,"
These "existing notions" are there for a reason.
> the report concludes. "It is our hope that the
> release of this report will inspire the networks to work toward
> remedying the inequitable representation of women guests on their
> shows."
Translation: "We hope our inane chirping will put political pressure
on the networks to base their selections more on gender than they
currently do. Why would people supposedly interested in equality do
this? Because we aren't really interested in equality. We want
advantage, because we need it to compete. Level playing fields are
sexist."
> "When there are only one or two women on these shows. People think
> there aren't any women authorities out there," said Marie C. Wilson,
Why would they think that?
> president of the Ms. Foundation for Women and the White House Project.
> "People don't know their women leaders."
>
> Attempting to Join the Boys' Club
"Boys Club" is classic femspeak that women use when they want to claim
discrimination but can't really point to any.
> Anecdotal evidence abounds as well, and many stories like DeGeorge's
As well as what? Hard evidence? There is none.
<snip>
> Real-life experiences the women talked about at the workshops ranged
> from missing out on valuable networking opportunities because they
> weren't
> invited to men's poker nights,
What do they propose? Quotas for poker night?
> to studying basketball rankings in
> order
> to join in the comradery of the office sports betting pools.
What do they want, a ban on basketball chatter? Will they soon
consider this harassment too?
> "This is a profession that has to learn a lot about bringing more
> voices to the table and creating more opportunities," said Eleanor
> Clift
Replace "learn" with "be coercively taught by an overbearing,
feminazi-dominated government"
> contributing editor for Newsweek and a founding board member of the
> media foundation.
>
> Helping Women Crack the Glass Ceiling
"Glass ceiling" is up there with "boys club" as a word women use to
claim discrimination that they can't point to.
> Talking about the lack of a female presence in the media is one thing.
> Helping women crack that glass ceiling is something else entirely.
> That's why the International Women's Media Foundation was formed in
> 1990, and why the organization has decided to tackle the white,
> male-dominated profession one woman leader at a time.
As if race is really what they care about.
> The workshops focus on building practical skills to work within the
> newsroom culture and change it.
Change it how? Why can't women adapt? Why must they go stomping like
a T-Rex into every professional environment and demand that it cater
to them?
> Risk-taking, conflict resolution,
> career mapping and communication skills were emphasized in a day-long
> training session.
>
> One of the primary challenges women face in the news business is the
> demanding and often unpredictable schedule.
Guess what. Men have this challenge too, and they often get berated
by their wives for working late, despite supporting her and paying the
bills. But do they demand that the profession become more touchy
feeley? No. They adapt. And women can't imagine why men are more
successful.
> A survey conducted with
> women in 44 countries in 2000 found that 64 percent said balancing
> work and
> family is their top obstacle.
The government must change this, of course.
<snip>
Society
news:ac57efe0.02060...@posting.google.com...
>
> Devin McAndrews as "Chive Mynde" cut-and-pasted...
> > May 26, 2002
> > Studies Show Women's Role in Media Shrinking
> > Run Date: 05/21/02
>
> Why do you think that is? Given the EEOC and affirmative action,
> why would women's role in the media still be shrinking?
>
> Are men just better journalists?
Or, the more likely possibility given Devin's source is that
the feminist who's making these alarmist claims has
coerced the data to commit 'data rape'.
> > By Nancy Cook Lauer WEnews correspondent
> >
> > Studies show women journalists' role in America's newsrooms
> > is shrinking, even though women predominate in undergraduate
> > and graduate journalism programs, and have for decades.
>
> It would be interesting to know how many female journalism
> students actually finish their degrees, and how many actually
> look for a job after doing so.
Yeah!
And how many who do look for a job prefer working, uh, modeling
in radio and television studios rather than in newspaper newsrooms.
And who is more likely to turn down jobs and assignments
because one might break a nail? <laugh>
More seriously, who said that a so-called 'journalism' degree
is the best preparation for a journalism job? Ever noticed
how many typos and grammar flubs there are in campus
newpapers produced in for-credit journalism classes?
Hand-waving at unnamed "studies" as this shill for NOW
whose article Devin appropriated, is not evidence. (Devin,
of all people, knows that. <chuckle> ) Feminists have been
caught lying so often that any prudent person ought to ask
for solid documentation of the facts behind any feminist
claim.
> It's my experience that cushy degrees like journalism
> are what women use to increase their marketability,
> with no intention whatsoever of working once they've
> found men to support them.
Yeah, those "cushy degrees" are today's equivalent of
the 'girl's finishing schools' of yesteryear.
--
Around junior year of high school, boys begin to repress
their interest in foreign languages, literature, art history,
sociology, and anthropology because they know an art history
major will make less than an engineer. Partially as a result
of his different spending expectation (the possibility he
might have to support a woman but cannot expect a woman
to support him), more than 85 percent of students who take
engineering as a college major are men; more than 80 percent
of the art history majors are women.
The difference in the earnings of the female art historian
vs. the male engineer appears to be a measure of discrimination,
when in fact both sexes knew ahead of time engineering
would pay more. In fact, the woman who enters engineering
with the same lack of experience as the man averages $571
per year _more_ than her male counterpart.
Warren Farrell, _The Myth of Male Power_;
New York: Berkley Books, 1996
page 11. [emphasis Farrell's]
Greg
> >
> > It would be interesting to know how many female journalism
> > students actually finish their degrees, and how many actually
> > look for a job after doing so.
>
> Yeah!
>
> And how many who do look for a job prefer working, uh, modeling
> in radio and television studios rather than in newspaper newsrooms.
I suspect their primary role model is Paula Zahn, the empty suit that
Turner puts on the telescreen because she's just so "sexy," to use
CNN's words.
> And who is more likely to turn down jobs and assignments
> because one might break a nail? <laugh>
Ha! Yes, I'm sure they're begging to be assigned to the world's
trouble spots.
> More seriously, who said that a so-called 'journalism' degree
> is the best preparation for a journalism job? Ever noticed
Well now there's an interesting question. I wonder how many op-ed
columnists started with journalism degrees.
> how many typos and grammar flubs there are in campus
> newpapers produced in for-credit journalism classes?
A friend of mine showed me one of her assignments from a required
journalism class. The professor vehemently stated on the assignment
that she expects and requires correct grammar and spelling. I was
bewildered that college journalism students would actually have to be
told that. When I was in college, it was understood. Have colleges
really gone that far downhill?
<snip>
Chive Mynde
> Jeez
Religion has nothing to do with it.
Get help.
There's nothing you cand do.
Feminism is more relevant today than ever before.
Lush
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Lush
We live in a world where equality is no longer valued. I can't really see what the relevance is. In
fact I think it is quite on the periphery. Everyone is obsessed with how they can get ahead and in
doing so make things less equal.
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Chive Mynde <archive_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Rich
Lush wrote:
>
> What exactly is the relevance of feminism?
>
> We live in a world where equality is no longer valued.
Men and women are not equal dear. How can you value something
which does not and has never existed?
The question is how you can call pro-female sexism "equality"
with a straight face.
Rich
Lush
My point is that equality was valued in the past but is not any longer.
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Rich <rpa...@attbi.someplace.comcom> wrote in message
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Rich
Lush wrote:
>
> Your lack of political understanding is mildly amusing.
Your lack of understanding is amusing.
> My point is that equality was valued in the past but is not any longer.
Can you tell me what this means?
Lush
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Rich <rpa...@attbi.someplace.comcom> wrote in message
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Rich
Lush wrote:
>
> I could, but you're too ugly to bother talking too.
Well so are you. But I don't care as I don't want
to fuck you.
There is no equality, there never has been any equality.
You are just too drunk to understand.
Sadly my one poor beer is gone. So I'll have to remain
sober tonight. Drink for me Lush, please.
Chive Mynde
> logical fallacies?
Yes, you and the bitter boys are only able to compose, construct,
and post logical fallacies, one after the other.
How sad...
Chive Mynde
> A friend of mine
Nonsense.
Bitter boys don't have any friends.
Lush
I'm a Tatcherite who can't afford a drink"
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Rich <rpa...@attbi.someplace.comcom> wrote in message
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Chive Mynde
> Chive Mynde wrote:
> >
> > Michael Snyder <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message news:<3CF6B46B...@redhat.com>...
> >
> > > Jeez, one minute he says they're growing stronger,
> > > the next he says they're being unfairly squeezed out...
> > > if feminism is so strong, how come it can't prevent
> > > women's role in the media from shrinking?
> >
> > This is a wonderful demosnstration of the bitter boy fallacies.
>
> Michael, women are all powerful, but like Superman, they have their
> kryptonite.
The name is "Chive", not Michael. Watch your attributions.
> Some of these poor women were exposed to Barbie's in
> their youth, it saps their strength and turns them into moms.
> We need to spend 120 dollars out of every 100 we earn to find a
> cure for this malady. Those poor women....
Absurd.
> > The fact that women's role in the media is shrinking demonstrates
> > my point that feminism is more relevant today than ever.
>
> In fact, until women are 100% of everything, as long as men exist
> anywhere, feminism will have an enemy to attack and denigrate.
Nonsense. Feminism is about the struggle for equality, not the
extermination of men.
Please, get professional help for your delusions.
edwal
> greg...@yahoo.com (Greg) wrote in message news:<ac57efe0.0206...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > A friend of mine
>
> Nonsense.
>
> Bitter boys don't have any friends.
So that's the reason why you have so much free time to spend in the groups...
Rich
Lush wrote:
>
> "WAH WAH WAH
>
> I'm a Tatcherite who can't afford a drink"
Naaa, I was just out. So I got some more on the
way home today. You can relax.
Rich
Chive Mynde wrote:
>
> Rich <rpa...@attbi.someplace.comcom> wrote in message news:<3CFC37EE...@attbi.someplace.comcom>...
> > Chive Mynde wrote:
> > >
> > > Michael Snyder <msn...@redhat.com> wrote in message news:<3CF6B46B...@redhat.com>...
> > >
> > > > Jeez, one minute he says they're growing stronger,
> > > > the next he says they're being unfairly squeezed out...
> > > > if feminism is so strong, how come it can't prevent
> > > > women's role in the media from shrinking?
> > >
> > > This is a wonderful demosnstration of the bitter boy fallacies.
> >
> > Michael, women are all powerful, but like Superman, they have their
> > kryptonite.
>
> The name is "Chive", not Michael. Watch your attributions.
I was talking to Michael. Thanks for being concerned.
> > > The fact that women's role in the media is shrinking demonstrates
> > > my point that feminism is more relevant today than ever.
> >
> > In fact, until women are 100% of everything, as long as men exist
> > anywhere, feminism will have an enemy to attack and denigrate.
>
> Nonsense. Feminism is about the struggle for equality, not the
> extermination of men.
From: Chive Mynde (archiv...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Sex and Society Aboard the First Starship
Newsgroups: soc.men, alt.feminism, soc.women, alt.religion.wicca, sci.environment
Date: 2002-04-01 10:46:18 PST
[...]
You seem to have missed the most important part of the post.
Here it is again:
Freeze sperm, leave the men behind
> Please, get professional help for your delusions.
You need something for yer memory Chive.
Rich
marika
> May 26, 2002
>
> Studies Show Women's Role in Media Shrinking
> Run Date: 05/21/02
>
> By Nancy Cook Lauer WEnews correspondent
>
> Studies show women journalists' role in America's newsrooms is
> shrinking, even though women predominate in undergraduate and graduate
> journalism programs, and have for decades.
HDTV is the cause of many social ills
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Rich <rpa...@attbi.someplace.comcom> wrote in message
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Rich
Lush wrote:
>
> If I was any more relaxed I'd be dead - Ab Fab, paraphrased
Well, then nevermind.
What's a Tatcherite?
GodEvolved
news:eb4ee788.02061...@posting.google.com:
You're absolutely right. The first time they turned on the HDTV
transmitters in Dallas, TX, it shut down several hospitals due to
interference. Or so I've heard. Imaging all the ills that couldn't be
dealt with.
>
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"...What you have to understand, young lady, is that the Greeks, not
content with dominating the culture of the Classical world, are also
responsible for the greatest, some would say the only, work of true
creative imagination produced this century as well. I refer of course to
the Greek ferry timetables. A work of the sublimest fiction. Anyone who
has travelled the Aegean will confirm this..." Professor Watkin - Dirk
Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
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> marik...@my-deja.com (marika) wrote in
> news:eb4ee788.02061...@posting.google.com:
>
> > archive_...@yahoo.com (Chive Mynde) wrote in message
> > news:<d6ff33e3.02053...@posting.google.com>...
> >> May 26, 2002
> >>
> >> Studies Show Women's Role in Media Shrinking
> >> Run Date: 05/21/02
> >>
> >> By Nancy Cook Lauer WEnews correspondent
> >>
> >> Studies show women journalists' role in America's newsrooms is
> >> shrinking, even though women predominate in undergraduate and
> >> graduate journalism programs, and have for decades.
> >
> > HDTV is the cause of many social ills
>
> You're absolutely right.
When when entered into the anti-feminist filter, translates as,
"you're absolutely wrong."
Typical bitter boy nonsense.
Lush
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Rich <rpa...@attbi.someplace.comcom> wrote in message
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Rich
Lush wrote:
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> A new right fascist. A follower of Ragean-Thatcher economics/politics.
Say, you get quite a bit from your tea leaves. What's my
hat size?
Lush
Dunno, but your cock's about 3 inches.
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Rich <rpa...@attbi.someplace.comcom> wrote in message
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Rich
Lush wrote:
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> Hehhee
>
> Dunno, but your cock's about 3 inches.
You need some new tea leaves, and bigger tits.
Lush
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Rich <rpa...@attbi.someplace.comcom> wrote in message
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Rich
Lush wrote:
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> My pecs are big enough for me, thank you very much.
Then yer tea leaves are too small.
Lush
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Rich <rpa...@attbi.someplace.comcom> wrote in message
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Guy Briggs
"Frost" <awle...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > Jeez, one minute he says they're growing stronger,
> > > the next he says they're being unfairly squeezed out...
> > > if feminism is so strong, how come it can't prevent
> > > women's role in the media from shrinking?
> >
> > This is a wonderful demosnstration of the bitter boy fallacies.
> >
> >
> > The fact that women's role in the media is shrinking demonstrates
>
> > Please, get an education and learn to read before posting again.
> >
> > -=Chive
> >
> > Science is not belief, but the will to find out.
>
> having children. If they want to succeed they shouldn't have kids.
> If they want children they should realize what will happen to their
> career.
>
> Frost
I thought having children involved TWO people. Why has the woman always got
to miss out?
I understand that it is the woman that gets pregnant and gives birth but she
will only need 1 month max off work.
Andre Lieven
Because, after becomming a mommy, she tends to *choose* to.
Nobody " got(s) to miss out ". The easiest way to not miss out is
not to become a parent. Kids tend to take up a *lot* of a parent's
time, time that said parent isn't going to be able to use to make
up that PowerPoint presentation.
> I understand that it is the woman that gets pregnant and gives birth but
> she will only need 1 month max off work.
ASSuming that going right back to full time work is what she *wants*
then to do...
However, if she *chooses* to take much more time off, then one
*consequence* of that *choice* is falling behind on the career
track.
Nothing unfair about it.
Andre
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" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
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Chive Mynde
Nonsense. You're just another ignorant bitter boy who blames women
for his problems.