WHAT'S UP!? Guns & Ammo Flying Off Store Shelves
Mort
John Galt <kad...@gmail.com> wrote:
Heh.
Saw my son last night. He manages the firearms department at
a retail store, one of the larger national outdoor chains.
Almost all firearms and ammunition are backordered. They
sell pretty much everything they have (and the department is
huge, since the store is pretty much geared around hunting
and fishing) as soon as they get it unpacked. The longest
waits (up to five months) for backordered weapons AND ammo
are for military-issue rifles, handguns,
semiautomatics.....etc.
Somebody's getting ready for something, it seems. If not,
I'd hate to be a deer this hunting season.
JG
Klaus Schadenfreude
Sorry! Sorry everyone!
It was just me, I was going out to the range this weekend and decided
to pick up a few extra things and, well, didn't realize what a
commotion it was going to cause!
Sorry, everyone, really.
The Lone Weasel
> John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Heh.
>
> Saw my son last night. He manages the firearms department at
> a retail store, one of the larger national outdoor chains.
7-ELEVEN?
> Almost all firearms and ammunition are backordered. They
> sell pretty much everything they have (and the department is
> huge, since the store is pretty much geared around hunting
> and fishing) as soon as they get it unpacked. The longest
> waits (up to five months) for backordered weapons AND ammo
> are for military-issue rifles, handguns,
> semiautomatics.....etc.
>
> Somebody's getting ready for something, it seems. If not,
> I'd hate to be a deer this hunting season.
Sucker.
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Avery Fineman
Jim Alder
news:e9cd3b782aa6650f...@mixmaster.nymu.eu:
I'd hate tp ne a deer in any hunting season.
People are panicky and buying things they probably won't need. Ammo
companies are feeding the panic by holding back on supply. I'd say the bubble
is about to burst, if local sales at my gun shows is any indication.
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Lookout
wrote:
Could it be they are just idiots?
Lookout
I guess you're just a lousy shot. Get more practice.
Lookout
My guess is they won't be making the payment on their trailers this
month.
Too_Many_Tools
wrote:
To relieve the conservative sheeple from what little money they have
left.
I look forward to buying their guns on bankruptcy auctions for pennies
on the dollar.
TMT
TMT
edi...@netpath.net
There were plenty of good semiauto tactical rifles for sale - at good
prices, cheaper than two months ago in this state - but near nobody
was buying them. Ammo sales brisk, however - *if*, that is, the kind
you desired was actually in stock by at least one dealer; prices way
up on ammo.
My conclusion: the semiauto tactical rifle market - at least in the
South - has again finally saturated, even after Obama provoked a short
burst of resumed unusually-high purchases.
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
Klaus Schadenfreude
You're just jealous that your felonies preclude you from legally
buying ammo.
Lookout
<klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
And you had to lie again to get noticed. You really are lonely, aren't
you?
Nah..I've got a permit so no felonies. You're fucked again.
nraclaptrap
4879-a765-4...@q37g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
> NOT what I saw this weekend at the Raleigh, North Carolina show.
> There were plenty of good semiauto tactical rifles for sale - at good
> prices, cheaper than two months ago in this state - but near nobody
> was buying them. Ammo sales brisk, however - *if*, that is, the kind
> you desired was actually in stock by at least one dealer; prices way
> up on ammo.
>
> My conclusion: the semiauto tactical rifle market - at least in the
> South - has again finally saturated, even after Obama provoked a short
> burst of resumed unusually-high purchases.
So why is it that single-action revolvers are so fucking expensive? They
should be cheap since they're practically useless for home or self-
defense, which means they have very little intrinsic value, and there's
plenty of semi-auto assault weapons available according to Bedwetter.
Even muzzle-loading single-action revolvers are ridiculously expensive.
This is nothing but price gouging, and it must stop!
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Klaus Schadenfreude
Typical left-tard. OK for YOU to lie, but not me, is that it?
>Nah..I've got a permit so no felonies. You're fucked again.
You probably lied on your application.
Tim Miller
It's more likely he lied about having a permit.
Lookout
<klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Nope..no lies at all.
>>Nah..I've got a permit so no felonies. You're fucked again.
>
>You probably lied on your application.
"probably" Lying again.
Lookout
Why would I?
Too_Many_Tools
> "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in news:de8ffb62-1481-
Why should "it must stop"?
Hey this is just like Bush and oil...remember last year's gas prices?
This is the winger's wet dream in action....free wheeling capitalism..
supply and demand....let the prices go as high as the market allows.
If you can afford the prices, buy all you want.
If you cannot afford the prices, then stop buying and stop shooting.
You have the right to bear arms but no one said anything about being
able to afford them.
And if one cannot afford the hobby...and boys and girls it IS a
hobby...they make special guns for those poor wingers.
They come with orange tips so they know which end to put in their
mouths to replace the pacifiers they long for.
TMT
Peter Franks
And what is your proposal? Let government fix the price?
nraclaptrap
4c6f-affe-3...@n21g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
> On Jun 24, 7:54�am, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in news:de8ffb62-1481-
>> 4879-a765-4a6381de8...@q37g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > NOT what I saw this weekend at the Raleigh, North Carolina show.
>> > There were plenty of good semiauto tactical rifles for sale - at
good
>> > prices, cheaper than two months ago in this state - but near nobody
>> > was buying them. �Ammo sales brisk, however - *if*, that is, the
kind
>> > you desired was actually in stock by at least one dealer; prices way
>> > up on ammo.
>>
>> > My conclusion: the semiauto tactical rifle market - at least in the
>> > South - has again finally saturated, even after Obama provoked a
short
>> > burst of resumed unusually-high purchases.
>>
>> So why is it that single-action revolvers are so fucking expensive?
�Th
> ey
>> should be cheap since they're practically useless for home or self-
>> defense, which means they have very little intrinsic value, and
there's
>> plenty of semi-auto assault weapons available according to Bedwetter.
>>
>> Even muzzle-loading single-action revolvers are ridiculously
expensive.
> �
>> This is nothing but price gouging, and it must stop!
>>
>> --
>>
>> NRACLAPTRAP
>
> Why should "it must stop"?
Because I want a single-action revolver.
> Hey this is just like Bush and oil...remember last year's gas prices?
I stopped buying gasoline when it hit $1.27/gal. I ride a bicycle. I
mow my yard with a scythe.
Now I want a single-action revolver like a Colt Peacemaker and the
sonsofbitches won't lower the price so I can have one.
> This is the winger's wet dream in action....free wheeling capitalism..
> supply and demand....let the prices go as high as the market allows.
>
> If you can afford the prices, buy all you want.
>
> If you cannot afford the prices, then stop buying and stop shooting.
You must be a comminist infiltrator, because that is EXACTLY what I've
had to do, stop shooting.
> You have the right to bear arms but no one said anything about being
> able to afford them.
Well affording the guns is required if I'm gonna buy them so I can keep
them and bear them in the house.
It's in-house gun rights that DC v Heller grants, not really carrying
them in public either openly or secretly.
> And if one cannot afford the hobby...and boys and girls it IS a
> hobby...they make special guns for those poor wingers.
Called "muzzle-loaders" - but even they're too damn expensive.
It's almost like somebody just made up rumors about Obama grabbing our
guns just so they could jack up the prices, move old product, and wriggle
through this recession without going bankrupt like the gunloons buying
the guns and 1000s of rounds of ammo and the cool accessories like
official Glock underwear with built-in holsters. Holsters can also be
used to pee out of.
> They come with orange tips so they know which end to put in their
> mouths to replace the pacifiers they long for.
I have a tip for you TMT - forget about buying single action revolvers
when you can get military style assault weapons DIRT CHEAP!
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nraclaptrap
news:h1ti7b$lto$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
I think gun price regulation is a great idea. That way everybody can
afford to buy as many guns as they want and carry them wherever they go.
Don't you want everybody to carry guns secretly, Goober?
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Curly Surmudgeon
"Guns & Ammo Flying Off Store Shelves"
"Wow, man, I ate them all." --Cheech & Chong
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Klaus Schadenfreude
Sure you did. Are you able to stop?
John Fartlington Poopnagle
giving me a blow job in the storage room in return for my buying a
Glock. As you know, he's on commission.
edi...@netpath.net
> I have a tip for you TMT - forget about buying single action revolvers
> when you can get military style assault weapons DIRT CHEAP!
More useful tip: if you want a HANDGUN - which is what any single-
action revolver is - dirt cheap, look in the classifieds or go to all
the shows and eventually you'll find someone wanting to sell his
barely-used one and usually at a substantial discount off new price
unless it's an older model.
This won't get you a price break on an out-of-production Colt Python -
but it sure could get you a Kel-Tec P32 cheap.
Chuckleberry Finn
Their guns won't go to auction, dummy.
Chuckleberry Finn
Lots of McMansions are behind on their payments, too. What's your
point?
BamaBrian
> "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in news:de8ffb62-1481-
> 4879-a765-4...@q37g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
>
>> NOT what I saw this weekend at the Raleigh, North Carolina show.
>> There were plenty of good semiauto tactical rifles for sale - at good
>> prices, cheaper than two months ago in this state - but near nobody
>> was buying them. Ammo sales brisk, however - *if*, that is, the kind
>> you desired was actually in stock by at least one dealer; prices way
>> up on ammo.
>>
>> My conclusion: the semiauto tactical rifle market - at least in the
>> South - has again finally saturated, even after Obama provoked a short
>> burst of resumed unusually-high purchases.
>
> So why is it that single-action revolvers are so fucking expensive? They
> should be cheap since they're practically useless for home or self-
> defense, which means they have very little intrinsic value, and there's
> plenty of semi-auto assault weapons available according to Bedwetter.
Because such firearms are being purchased almost exclusively by a niche
market, typically called the Cowboy Action Society, or the Single Action
Shooters Society.
Low sales number equal high prices.
>
> Even muzzle-loading single-action revolvers are ridiculously expensive.
> This is nothing but price gouging, and it must stop!
At least they are only half the price of a Ruger New Vaquero SA.
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
fathersrights
"Mort" <nob...@nymu.eu> wrote in message
news:e9cd3b782aa6650f...@mixmaster.nymu.eu...
>
>
> John Galt <kad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Heh.
>
> Saw my son last night. He manages the firearms department at
> a retail store, one of the larger national outdoor chains.
>
> Almost all firearms and ammunition are backordered. They
> sell pretty much everything they have (and the department is
> huge, since the store is pretty much geared around hunting
> and fishing) as soon as they get it unpacked. The longest
> waits (up to five months) for backordered weapons AND ammo
> are for military-issue rifles, handguns,
> semiautomatics.....etc.
>
> Somebody's getting ready for something, it seems. If not,
> I'd hate to be a deer this hunting season.
>
> JG
It started the day OBAMA 666 was elected. Everyone feared his stance on Gun
control and now they fear there may the need for a drastic rebellion to stop
Obamas socialism and spreading government control.
pyotr filipivich
<claypo...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:34:46
-0400 in misc.survivalism:
>nraclaptrap wrote:
>> "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in news:de8ffb62-1481-
>> 4879-a765-4...@q37g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> NOT what I saw this weekend at the Raleigh, North Carolina show.
>>> There were plenty of good semiauto tactical rifles for sale - at good
>>> prices, cheaper than two months ago in this state - but near nobody
>>> was buying them. Ammo sales brisk, however - *if*, that is, the kind
>>> you desired was actually in stock by at least one dealer; prices way
>>> up on ammo.
>>>
>>> My conclusion: the semiauto tactical rifle market - at least in the
>>> South - has again finally saturated, even after Obama provoked a short
>>> burst of resumed unusually-high purchases.
>>
>> So why is it that single-action revolvers are so fucking expensive? They
>> should be cheap since they're practically useless for home or self-
>> defense, which means they have very little intrinsic value, and there's
>> plenty of semi-auto assault weapons available according to Bedwetter.
>
>Because such firearms are being purchased almost exclusively by a niche
>market, typically called the Cowboy Action Society, or the Single Action
>Shooters Society.
>
>Low sales number equal high prices.
You must remember that "nraclaptrap" is at best a useful idiot,
and one of his idiot areas is an understanding of personal choice,
free will, and the market place. "nraclaptrap" is just mad that he
isn't given all the cool stuff like the other kids.
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
nraclaptrap
news:h205ip$76p$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> nraclaptrap wrote:
>> "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in
>> news:de8ffb62-1481-
>> 4879-a765-4...@q37g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> NOT what I saw this weekend at the Raleigh, North Carolina show.
>>> There were plenty of good semiauto tactical rifles for sale - at
>>> good prices, cheaper than two months ago in this state - but near
>>> nobody was buying them. Ammo sales brisk, however - *if*, that is,
>>> the kind you desired was actually in stock by at least one dealer;
>>> prices way up on ammo.
>>>
>>> My conclusion: the semiauto tactical rifle market - at least in the
>>> South - has again finally saturated, even after Obama provoked a
>>> short burst of resumed unusually-high purchases.
>>
>> So why is it that single-action revolvers are so fucking expensive?
>> They should be cheap since they're practically useless for home or
>> self- defense, which means they have very little intrinsic value, and
>> there's plenty of semi-auto assault weapons available according to
>> Bedwetter.
>
> Because such firearms are being purchased almost exclusively by a
> niche market, typically called the Cowboy Action Society, or the
> Single Action Shooters Society.
>
> Low sales number equal high prices.
That doesn't make sense. If you can't sell something you mark it down
just to get rid of it.
And if something sells like crazy you mark it up knowing consumers will
buy it anyway.
Seems like the gun business has it both ways for some reason.
>> Even muzzle-loading single-action revolvers are ridiculously
>> expensive. This is nothing but price gouging, and it must stop!
>
> At least they are only half the price of a Ruger New Vaquero SA.
A blued Vaquero .45 goes for $659. If I could ever afford it I'd want
the 7 1/2" barrel. I guess the closest I'll ever get is the Walker
replica revolver, which if it could remain loaded for years at a time
would be my first choice.
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nraclaptrap
485a-947e-5...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
> On Jun 24, 12:27�pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I have a tip for you TMT - forget about buying single action revolvers
>> when you can get military style assault weapons DIRT CHEAP!
>
> More useful tip: if you want a HANDGUN - which is what any single-
> action revolver is - dirt cheap, look in the classifieds or go to all
> the shows and eventually you'll find someone wanting to sell his
> barely-used one and usually at a substantial discount off new price
> unless it's an older model.
Well ideally I'd want a Walker .44 that could remain loaded for years at
a time without the problems of leaving blackpowder or new synthetic
gunpowder in the chamber that long. You could leave the caps off, but
the powder reacts with the metal and might combust or eat up the metal.
What about a hermetically sealed membrane that could hold a stabilized
powder and be compacted by the ball and then even years later could be
reliably fired. Maybe then you could leave the caps on. What would be
the difference between that and any other loaded gun, if the powder was
permanently stabilized?
Then it would be perfect.
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nraclaptrap
news:554c71b1-1591-47ca...@l28g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
Maybe police auctions?
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RD (The Sandman)
> nraclaptrap wrote:
>> "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in
>> news:de8ffb62-1481-
>> 4879-a765-4...@q37g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> NOT what I saw this weekend at the Raleigh, North Carolina show.
>>> There were plenty of good semiauto tactical rifles for sale - at
>>> good prices, cheaper than two months ago in this state - but near
>>> nobody was buying them. Ammo sales brisk, however - *if*, that is,
>>> the kind you desired was actually in stock by at least one dealer;
>>> prices way up on ammo.
>>>
>>> My conclusion: the semiauto tactical rifle market - at least in the
>>> South - has again finally saturated, even after Obama provoked a
>>> short burst of resumed unusually-high purchases.
>>
>> So why is it that single-action revolvers are so fucking expensive?
>> They should be cheap since they're practically useless for home or
>> self- defense, which means they have very little intrinsic value, and
>> there's plenty of semi-auto assault weapons available according to
>> Bedwetter.
>
> Because such firearms are being purchased almost exclusively by a
> niche market, typically called the Cowboy Action Society, or the
> Single Action Shooters Society.
>
> Low sales number equal high prices.
And there is a lot of competition out there. Although most of the guns
come from either Uberti or Pietta, they are made for several different
companies and have different levels of finish. A few are even made in
the US like Ruger, Navy Arms, STI and USFA.
>> Even muzzle-loading single-action revolvers are ridiculously
>> expensive. This is nothing but price gouging, and it must stop!
>
> At least they are only half the price of a Ruger New Vaquero SA.
Yep. Although one can get a Berreta(?) made Millenium with brass trim
for about $200 from Cabela.
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Sleep well, tonight........
RD (The Sandman)
" All experience is great provided you live through it.
If it kills you, you have gone too far."
Painter Alice Neel, in the New Yorker.
RD (The Sandman)
news:Xns9C35731E1546Fp...@216.196.97.131:
Not if the demand outclasses the production. You can keep sales low and
prices high simply by controlling that production under those conditions.
> And if something sells like crazy you mark it up knowing consumers will
> buy it anyway.
Then the price drops because demand and production become equalized.
> Seems like the gun business has it both ways for some reason.
Yep.
>>> Even muzzle-loading single-action revolvers are ridiculously
>>> expensive. This is nothing but price gouging, and it must stop!
>>
>> At least they are only half the price of a Ruger New Vaquero SA.
>
> A blued Vaquero .45 goes for $659.
You can find them for less than that, but not a lot.
> If I could ever afford it I'd want
> the 7 1/2" barrel. I guess the closest I'll ever get is the Walker
> replica revolver, which if it could remain loaded for years at a time
> would be my first choice.
Of course, your Walker replica is also a black powder piece.
RD (The Sandman)
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Sometimes, Lone, you make sense. It almost invariably comes as somewhat
of a surprize. ;)
The Lone Weasel
@comcast.net> wrote:
> nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote innews:Xns9C357783453Bp...@216.196.97.131:> > 485a-947e-598ace79c...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> On Jun 24, 12:27 pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>> I have a tip for you TMT - forget about buying single action
> revolvers
> >>> when you can get military style assault weapons DIRT CHEAP!
>
> >> More useful tip: if you want a HANDGUN - which is what any single-
> >> action revolver is - dirt cheap, look in the classifieds or go to all
> >> the shows and eventually you'll find someone wanting to sell his
> >> barely-used one and usually at a substantial discount off new price
> >> unless it's an older model.
>
> > Well ideally I'd want a Walker .44 that could remain loaded for years
> at
> > a time without the problems of leaving blackpowder or new synthetic
> > gunpowder in the chamber that long. You could leave the caps off, but
> > the powder reacts with the metal and might combust or eat up the metal.
> > What about a hermetically sealed membrane that could hold a stabilized
> > powder and be compacted by the ball and then even years later could be
> > reliably fired. Maybe then you could leave the caps on. What would be
> > the difference between that and any other loaded gun, if the powder was
> > permanently stabilized?
>
> > Then it would be perfect.
>
> Sometimes, Lone, you make sense. It almost invariably comes as somewhat
> of a surprize. ;)
"surprise"
I always make sense, Sandshitter. Better cut back on the "plum
flavored" Geritol until the black letters stop wiggling and the blank
spaces stop telling you what to think.
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The Seventh Sign
> John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Heh.
>
> Saw my son last night. He manages the firearms department at
> a retail store, one of the larger national outdoor chains.
>
> Almost all firearms and ammunition are backordered. They
> sell pretty much everything they have (and the department is
> huge, since the store is pretty much geared around hunting
> and fishing) as soon as they get it unpacked. The longest
> waits (up to five months) for backordered weapons AND ammo
> are for military-issue rifles, handguns,
> semiautomatics.....etc.
>
> Somebody's getting ready for something, it seems. If not,
> I'd hate to be a deer this hunting season.
>
> JG
Ok in my area here is what i noticed.
1 ATK seems to be the owner (parent company) of most of the brand
names of ammunition makers.
2 Obama signed a treaty with Mexico banning manufacturing ammo for
civilians
3 There are no gun stores that i can find in this city anymore.
4 The next judge for the supreme court voted states have the right to
ban guns
and is very much antigun herself.
5 Holder is pushing for another assault weapons ban
6 lautenberg is trying to make it so anyone on the terror watch list
which no one can see is added to the prohibited list from purchasing
guns without due process of law.
7 Two wal marts stopped selling guns years ago in my area. One never
did the other stopped after the Hurricains in LA.
8 When i emailed speer about the shortage they basically stated my
buddies were beating me to it. I am like yeah how is that when it
never made it to the shelf.
9 National parks are banning lead ammo.
10 California is banning lead ammo.
11 Tightened controls on mercury has been going on since obama took
office.
12 drive by shootings in my area have increased but one shooting stood
out above all others.
The fellow defending himself from a convicted felon with a gun on the
felons own property shot 20 times and only hit the guy 4 times killing
him.
Lousy shot or crap ammo and crap gun you decide. the felons gun jammed
after his first or second shot or so.
The 20 shot shooter is up on murder charges and reckless endangerment.
The defendant does not understand the reckless charge.
I do.
Bank robberies and grocery stores are getting robbed lots too.
13 Knife ownership is also being attacked as we speak. The federal
trade commission is trying to classify spring assist opening knifes as
switchblades there by banning them from import.
14 More white supremacist turning up in the news calling for murders
and murdering lately too. Hate crimes laws coming as well.
15 Obama signed a treaty with china on bloggers and limiting freedom
of speech as well.
Tell your Son if he just noticed this then he just signed or has not
been looking for a while now.
TSS
Curly Surmudgeon
> "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in news:ce552e6e-0893-
> 485a-947e-5...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Jun 24, 12:27 pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> I have a tip for you TMT - forget about buying single action revolvers
>>> when you can get military style assault weapons DIRT CHEAP!
>>
>> More useful tip: if you want a HANDGUN - which is what any single-
>> action revolver is - dirt cheap, look in the classifieds or go to all
>> the shows and eventually you'll find someone wanting to sell his
>> barely-used one and usually at a substantial discount off new price
>> unless it's an older model.
>
> Well ideally I'd want a Walker .44 that could remain loaded for years at
> a time without the problems of leaving blackpowder or new synthetic
> gunpowder in the chamber that long. You could leave the caps off, but
> the powder reacts with the metal and might combust or eat up the metal.
> What about a hermetically sealed membrane that could hold a stabilized
> powder and be compacted by the ball and then even years later could be
> reliably fired.
If that's a question then the invention is upon you already. It's called
a "cartridge" and comes in a wide variety of calibers.
> Maybe then you could leave the caps on. What would be
> the difference between that and any other loaded gun, if the powder was
> permanently stabilized?
>
> Then it would be perfect.
It's already available.
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Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:44:59 -0500, nraclaptrap wrote:
>
>> "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in news:ce552e6e-0893-
>> 485a-947e-5...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Jun 24, 12:27 pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> I have a tip for you TMT - forget about buying single action revolvers
>>>> when you can get military style assault weapons DIRT CHEAP!
>>> More useful tip: if you want a HANDGUN - which is what any single-
>>> action revolver is - dirt cheap, look in the classifieds or go to all
>>> the shows and eventually you'll find someone wanting to sell his
>>> barely-used one and usually at a substantial discount off new price
>>> unless it's an older model.
>> Well ideally I'd want a Walker .44 that could remain loaded for years at
>> a time without the problems of leaving blackpowder or new synthetic
>> gunpowder in the chamber that long. You could leave the caps off, but
>> the powder reacts with the metal and might combust or eat up the metal.
>> What about a hermetically sealed membrane that could hold a stabilized
>> powder and be compacted by the ball and then even years later could be
>> reliably fired.
>
> If that's a question then the invention is upon you already. It's called
> a "cartridge" and comes in a wide variety of calibers.
Problem, as a self admitted convicted felon, federal law prohibited Lee
from having, owning, possessing or even holding a modern firearm.
>> Maybe then you could leave the caps on. What would be
>> the difference between that and any other loaded gun, if the powder was
>> permanently stabilized?
>>
>> Then it would be perfect.
>
> It's already available.
But Lee can't legally have one by his own admission.
Curly Surmudgeon
Ha!
nraclaptrap
news:pan.2009.06...@live.com:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:44:59 -0500, nraclaptrap wrote:
>
>> "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in
>> news:ce552e6e-0893-
>> 485a-947e-5...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Jun 24, 12:27 pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I have a tip for you TMT - forget about buying single action
>>>> revolvers when you can get military style assault weapons DIRT
>>>> CHEAP!
>>>
>>> More useful tip: if you want a HANDGUN - which is what any single-
>>> action revolver is - dirt cheap, look in the classifieds or go to
>>> all the shows and eventually you'll find someone wanting to sell his
>>> barely-used one and usually at a substantial discount off new price
>>> unless it's an older model.
>>
>> Well ideally I'd want a Walker .44 that could remain loaded for years
>> at a time without the problems of leaving blackpowder or new
>> synthetic gunpowder in the chamber that long. You could leave the
>> caps off, but the powder reacts with the metal and might combust or
>> eat up the metal. What about a hermetically sealed membrane that
>> could hold a stabilized powder and be compacted by the ball and then
>> even years later could be reliably fired.
>
> If that's a question then the invention is upon you already. It's
> called a "cartridge" and comes in a wide variety of calibers.
How would you fire a muzzle-loaded chamber with a percussion cap after
the load has laid compressed against a lead ball for 5 years?
Do you know anything about black powder and new synthetic gun powder?
>> Maybe then you could leave the caps on. What would be
>> the difference between that and any other loaded gun, if the powder
>> was permanently stabilized?
>>
>> Then it would be perfect.
>
> It's already available.
You lack romance and passion for the old ways, which are twice as lethal
and beautiful as today's cartridges.
Next.
--
NRACLAPTRAP
nraclaptrap
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:27:39 -0400, Scout wrote:
I could have a machine gun if I wanted one and had the cash. No
different from most gunloons.
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BamaBrian
Lee, it's not that the manufacturers can't sell the guns; they can and
do sell all that they make.
A niche market is typically a captive market because the buyers have no
other source - and the CS and the SASS demand single-action, cowboy
lookalikes ONLY for their competitions. Note there is a real price
disparity between a .357/.38 in SA cowboy style and the same caliber in
DA, but styled for the self-protection mass market.
If you want to get a nosebleed, look at Colt's prices for the SA's that
they have not improved functionally since 1883.
Interestingly, some manufacturers also sell .38 ammo in a lower powered,
800 fps max CS/SASS load at a higher price than .38 special or even .357.
>
> Seems like the gun business has it both ways for some reason.
>
>>> Even muzzle-loading single-action revolvers are ridiculously
>>> expensive. This is nothing but price gouging, and it must stop!
>> At least they are only half the price of a Ruger New Vaquero SA.
>
> A blued Vaquero .45 goes for $659. If I could ever afford it I'd want
> the 7 1/2" barrel. I guess the closest I'll ever get is the Walker
> replica revolver, which if it could remain loaded for years at a time
> would be my first choice.
The Ruger New Vaquero is smaller and better balanced than the old
Vaquero model, and is reputed to be, er, mechanically bullet-proof. ;D
It would be a good choice.
Try Guns America at www.gunsamerica.com
Search on Vaquero
With any luck, you can get an excellent price. You will likely have to
set up the shipment through your local FFL dealer for a fee, though.
And watch out for some of those "shipping" fees - they can be nothing
but extra profit.
BamaBrian
I honestly don't know the answer to that. There was a move at one point
to create a 'caseless' ammo, where there was no brass case at all, and
some plastic cases were tried in other experiments. Neither approach
succeeded.
Certainly, if you had some sort of stable powder in a mechanically
robust cylindrical form that you could just insert into a revolver's
cylinder, then it would be wonderful thing for the CS/SASS shooters.
nraclaptrap
news:h22bh3$k9u$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
With a muzzle-loader of course "caseless" is the norm. What if you
manufactured a pre-compressed load of stabilized powder, encased in a
very thin but very strong and very combustible sheath that would consume
any residue, and as long as you sized your bullets slightly large like
everybody does anyway, you could seat the ball directly on the powder
without needing to compress it any, then leave the cylinder as is without
any gunk that could spoil the charge. And if the powder's really stable
you could cap the cylinders and just in case keep the pistol in a
specially made safe that would prevent bullets exiting the safe in case
of accidental discharge, so you could safely keep in nearby, and you
could lock it if you have kids or whatever. Which I don't.
That way, in my opinion, you could have a really fine single-action
revolver that could serve as a self-defense weapon.
> Certainly, if you had some sort of stable powder in a mechanically
> robust cylindrical form that you could just insert into a revolver's
> cylinder, then it would be wonderful thing for the CS/SASS shooters.
Not familiar with CS/SASS but I think you're right. Instead of a solid,
hard charge make one that's like silly putty so it fits the cylinder
perfectly with no spaces, and burns very fast and leaves no residue.
That would be better than loose powder. And the bullets could be lightly
coated with a sealant, so when capped the chamber should remain fairly
stable for years, and when fired all the accelerant and sealant would be
burned up.
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RD (The Sandman)
news:bcc5a92c-b4f4-4a73...@f30g2000vbf.googlegroups.com:
> On Jun 25, 1:11�pm, "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)
> @comcast.net> wrote:
>> nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>> innews:Xns9C357783453Bpio
> tu0345g...@216.196.97.131:
Ahhh, back to normal and speaking for yourself, I see.
RD (The Sandman)
news:Xns9C35E2717CF4Cp...@216.196.97.131:
Not legally if what you have told the group is true.
RD (The Sandman)
@news.eternal-september.org:
I know.....I have one.
> Interestingly, some manufacturers also sell .38 ammo in a lower
powered,
> 800 fps max CS/SASS load at a higher price than .38 special or even
.357.
>
>>
>> Seems like the gun business has it both ways for some reason.
>>
>>>> Even muzzle-loading single-action revolvers are ridiculously
>>>> expensive. This is nothing but price gouging, and it must stop!
>>> At least they are only half the price of a Ruger New Vaquero SA.
>>
>> A blued Vaquero .45 goes for $659. If I could ever afford it I'd want
>> the 7 1/2" barrel. I guess the closest I'll ever get is the Walker
>> replica revolver, which if it could remain loaded for years at a time
>> would be my first choice.
>
> The Ruger New Vaquero is smaller and better balanced than the old
> Vaquero model, and is reputed to be, er, mechanically bullet-proof. ;D
> It would be a good choice.
However, it is not as pressure proof as the old Blackhawks. You can't
load up a New Vaquero like you would the old three screw guns.
RD (The Sandman)
news:Xns9C3677C52830Ap...@216.196.97.131:
Two magazines that will get you some familiarity with the old guns and
CS/SASS are Guns of the Old West and Shoot!. I am not sure that Shoot!
is still printed under that name but an internet search will get you the
answer.
pyotr filipivich
-0400 in misc.survivalism:
>> Then it would be perfect.
>
>I honestly don't know the answer to that. There was a move at one point
>to create a 'caseless' ammo, where there was no brass case at all, and
>some plastic cases were tried in other experiments. Neither approach
>succeeded.
>
>Certainly, if you had some sort of stable powder in a mechanically
>robust cylindrical form that you could just insert into a revolver's
>cylinder, then it would be wonderful thing for the CS/SASS shooters.
Wax or onion skin paper cartridges. Of course, there is the problem
of getting the brief fire from the percussion cap to penetrate the
paper and ignite the contents.
Or you could just make up "cartridges" of pre measured powder with
a ball. The Paper serves as the wadding when loading. Did that a lot
of times with muzzle loading muskets.
pyotr filipivich
Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> reported Elvis on Thu, 25
Jun 2009 12:17:45 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>> Because such firearms are being purchased almost exclusively by a
>>> niche market, typically called the Cowboy Action Society, or the
>>> Single Action Shooters Society.
>>>
>>> Low sales number equal high prices.
>>
>> That doesn't make sense. If you can't sell something you mark it down
>> just to get rid of it.
Ask the question "Why is it not selling?" Because the price is
too high, or because the markets are not there?
>
>Not if the demand outclasses the production. You can keep sales low and
>prices high simply by controlling that production under those conditions.
Don't forget the converse. Demand for the "cowboy" shooting irons
is low. Supplying that demand is "easy", but the market is so "small"
that economies of scale cannot be brought into play.
In other words, for Colt to bring out a low priced replica
revolver, it will have production runs in the thousands. But sales
are not in the thousands but in the hundreds. Colt doesn't want to
sit on hundreds of guns it can't sell, so it doesn't make all that
many. For purposes of illustration Colt is going to spend a million
dollars to make the pistols; divide that cost by the numbers it can
expect to sell to get MSRP. Ten thousand pistols 'cost' a hundred
dollars a pop. Five thousand pistols "cost" $200. A thousand pistols
cost $1000, and 500 will cost $2,000 each.
If your market is for 500 pistols, are you going to make those
other 9500 in order to bring the price down? ("Eh, so you lose a
little on each sale, you can make it up in volume.") I'm not even
getting into the whole issue of brand premiums - the amount extra
people will pay for the company name. Colt, Starret, Glock, Tiffany,
and Rolex all have a premium because they are a [fill in the label.]
>
>> And if something sells like crazy you mark it up knowing consumers will
>> buy it anyway.
>
>Then the price drops because demand and production become equalized.
>
>> Seems like the gun business has it both ways for some reason.
Specialized items - niche markets - tend to cost more, because the
market is "small". With the dominance of the Automobile, the market
for harnesses, whips and farriers dried up., There are still supplies
of those goods, but those who are still in those trades charge a lot
more, due in part to the lack of a market.
RD (The Sandman)
news:sc5a45hs0od8b72sn...@4ax.com:
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that "RD (The
> Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> reported Elvis on Thu, 25
> Jun 2009 12:17:45 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>>> Because such firearms are being purchased almost exclusively by a
>>>> niche market, typically called the Cowboy Action Society, or the
>>>> Single Action Shooters Society.
>>>>
>>>> Low sales number equal high prices.
>>>
>>> That doesn't make sense. If you can't sell something you mark it
>>> down just to get rid of it.
>
> Ask the question "Why is it not selling?" Because the price is
> too high, or because the markets are not there?
>>
>>Not if the demand outclasses the production. You can keep sales low
>>and prices high simply by controlling that production under those
>>conditions.
>
> Don't forget the converse. Demand for the "cowboy" shooting
> irons
> is low. Supplying that demand is "easy", but the market is so "small"
> that economies of scale cannot be brought into play.
It is a small market but not a specialized one. For example, I have
several sixguns but have no interest in "cowboy" shooting. I use them
for hunting or for generally screwing around. I like their looks, their
style, their mechanical simplicity. I also like the idea that some of
them can launch a 300gr bullet at over 2000 fps.
> In other words, for Colt to bring out a low priced replica
> revolver, it will have production runs in the thousands. But sales
> are not in the thousands but in the hundreds. Colt doesn't want to
> sit on hundreds of guns it can't sell, so it doesn't make all that
> many.
Correct. That is simply controlling the supply so that it doesn't
outreach the demand. If Colt did end up sitting on hundreds of guns, the
price would also have fallen into the basement.
> For purposes of illustration Colt is going to spend a million
> dollars to make the pistols; divide that cost by the numbers it can
> expect to sell to get MSRP. Ten thousand pistols 'cost' a hundred
> dollars a pop. Five thousand pistols "cost" $200. A thousand pistols
> cost $1000, and 500 will cost $2,000 each.
> If your market is for 500 pistols, are you going to make those
> other 9500 in order to bring the price down? ("Eh, so you lose a
> little on each sale, you can make it up in volume.") I'm not even
> getting into the whole issue of brand premiums - the amount extra
> people will pay for the company name. Colt, Starret, Glock, Tiffany,
> and Rolex all have a premium because they are a [fill in the label.]
You are saying essentially the same thing I did. One produces enough
guns to not quite satisfy the market. If it is a small market, one can
do it with a small number of guns being produced. Obviously, the market
for sixguns would be saturated if you produced them in numbers like
Glocks.
pyotr filipivich
Jun 2009 14:47:26 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>
>> In other words, for Colt to bring out a low priced replica
>> revolver, it will have production runs in the thousands. But sales
>> are not in the thousands but in the hundreds. Colt doesn't want to
>> sit on hundreds of guns it can't sell, so it doesn't make all that
>> many.
>
>Correct. That is simply controlling the supply so that it doesn't
>outreach the demand. If Colt did end up sitting on hundreds of guns, the
>price would also have fallen into the basement.
And in the meantime Colt would have taken a bath, financially.
tschus
pyotr
Klaus Schadenfreude
>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that BamaBrian
><claypo...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:28:24
>-0400 in misc.survivalism:
>>> Then it would be perfect.
>>
>>I honestly don't know the answer to that. There was a move at one point
>>to create a 'caseless' ammo, where there was no brass case at all, and
>>some plastic cases were tried in other experiments. Neither approach
>>succeeded.
>>
>>Certainly, if you had some sort of stable powder in a mechanically
>>robust cylindrical form that you could just insert into a revolver's
>>cylinder, then it would be wonderful thing for the CS/SASS shooters.
>
>Wax or onion skin paper cartridges. Of course, there is the problem
>of getting the brief fire from the percussion cap to penetrate the
>paper and ignite the contents.
> Or you could just make up "cartridges" of pre measured powder with
>a ball. The Paper serves as the wadding when loading. Did that a lot
>of times with muzzle loading muskets.
nraclaptrap
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that BamaBrian
> <claypo...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:28:24
> -0400 in misc.survivalism:
>>> Then it would be perfect.
>>
>>I honestly don't know the answer to that. There was a move at one
point
>>to create a 'caseless' ammo, where there was no brass case at all, and
>>some plastic cases were tried in other experiments. Neither approach
>>succeeded.
>>
>>Certainly, if you had some sort of stable powder in a mechanically
>>robust cylindrical form that you could just insert into a revolver's
>>cylinder, then it would be wonderful thing for the CS/SASS shooters.
>
> Wax or onion skin paper cartridges. Of course, there is the problem
> of getting the brief fire from the percussion cap to penetrate the
> paper and ignite the contents.
> Or you could just make up "cartridges" of pre measured powder with
> a ball. The Paper serves as the wadding when loading. Did that a lot
> of times with muzzle loading muskets.
Of course recently I think Pyrodex made these gunpowder sticks for long
guns and pistols but I read they were unreliable, sometimes fired,
sometimes half-way fired, sometimes didn't even try to fire.
I kind of hate to depart from tradition, but what about plastic
explosives with electronic detonators? Why couldn't you make cylinders
with electronic detonators where the nipples are? If the accelerant is
like plastic explosive but designed for chambers and lead balls, when a
chamber's in position to be fired the hammer could strike an electronic
detonator which would ignite the charge and send the ball down the
barrel.
But if the cartridge is malleable with a casing/membrane that would seal
the putty-like accelerant from eroding the innards of the chambers, and
the ball sized so it would pretty well seal off the front end of the
chamber with a cap seated so it pretty well seals off the nipple, I just
wonder how long that would last as a viable cartridge.
I kept my BP revolver loaded for a couple of months with seVen powder
which was probably dangerous, but I couldn't tell it corroded the
chambers at all. And I haven't had a chance to actually fire the gun,
although Independence Day is nearly here. Anybody know a good material
to make plugs for blanks? With all my neighbors shooting off fireworks
maybe I can pull off a few blank shots.
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NRACLAPTRAP
BamaBrian
Yeah, it certainly could be.
>
>> Certainly, if you had some sort of stable powder in a mechanically
>> robust cylindrical form that you could just insert into a revolver's
>> cylinder, then it would be wonderful thing for the CS/SASS shooters.
>
> Not familiar with CS/SASS but I think you're right. Instead of a solid,
> hard charge make one that's like silly putty so it fits the cylinder
> perfectly with no spaces, and burns very fast and leaves no residue.
> That would be better than loose powder. And the bullets could be lightly
> coated with a sealant, so when capped the chamber should remain fairly
> stable for years, and when fired all the accelerant and sealant would be
> burned up.
It's a good idea. I've got only a bit of chemistry, so I really can't
guess whether such a thing is feasible. I'd like to think so; the more
options for us all, the better.
Following your idea, a variant of C4 - plastique explosive - might be
possible. I know that plastique is more stable than dynamite. Only
problem here is that it is literally too explosive; i.e., gunpowder is
formulated to provide a slower shock wave than true explosives. This
allows the gunpowder time to push the bullet out of the chamber, rather
than creating an effect where the gun itself explodes in your hand.
This is the reason why a bullet fired from a long barreled gun will have
more velocity than a similar one fired from a short barrel - the
expanding gases do not develop all their 'push' immediately.
I like a black powder gun, always have. There is something to be said
for the ability to completely reload your own gun without having to rely
on someone else for parts of the reloading components, such as primers.
Black powder itself is relatively easy to make from charcoal,
saltpeter, and sulfur. Lead - or even silver - is easy to cast into
bullets. But those percussion caps full of fulminate are best left to
the experts to build. Perhaps a piezoelectric element to create a spark
could serve instead?
It's an interesting idea, though. A non-fouling modern,
non-encapsulated explosive putty for the black powder guns. There are
still a sizable number of hunters who use the old muzzle-loaders and who
may well be interested. I believe that the CS/SASS people would be very
interested. You should see the black powder folks frantically reloading
six-shooter cylinders at the reloading tables!
BamaBrian
True. But then, for Cowboy Action and SASS, you won't need those loads.
HH&C
> Chuckleberry Finn <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:554c71b1-1591-47ca...@l28g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 24, 12:18 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Jun 23, 8:02 pm, Avery Fineman <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > On Jun 23, 8:06 pm, Mort <nob...@nymu.eu> wrote:
>
> >> > > John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > Heh.
>
> >> > > Saw my son last night. He manages the firearms department at
> >> > > a retail store, one of the larger national outdoor chains.
>
> >> > > Almost all firearms and ammunition are backordered. They
> >> > > sell pretty much everything they have (and the department is
> >> > > huge, since the store is pretty much geared around hunting
> >> > > and fishing) as soon as they get it unpacked. The longest
> >> > > waits (up to five months) for backordered weapons AND ammo
> >> > > are for military-issue rifles, handguns,
> >> > > semiautomatics.....etc.
>
> >> > > Somebody's getting ready for something, it seems. If not,
> >> > > I'd hate to be a deer this hunting season.
>
> >> > > JG
>
>
> >> To relieve the conservative sheeple from what little money they have
> >> left.
>
> >> I look forward to buying their guns on bankruptcy auctions for pennies
> >> on the dollar.
>
> >> TMT
>
> > Their guns won't go to auction, dummy.
>
> Maybe police auctions?
I'm unaware of firearms being distributed via police auctions.
Some firearms in the evidence room have ended up being used in later
crimes, however.
nraclaptrap
news:ce3f74a4-9678-4e88...@d38g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
>> >> > > Heh.
>>
>> >> > > Saw my son last night. He manages the firearms department at
>> >> > > a retail store, one of the larger national outdoor chains.
>>
>> >> > > Almost all firearms and ammunition are backordered. They
>> >> > > sell pretty much everything they have (and the department is
>> >> > > huge, since the store is pretty much geared around hunting
>> >> > > and fishing) as soon as they get it unpacked. The longest
>> >> > > waits (up to five months) for backordered weapons AND ammo
>> >> > > are for military-issue rifles, handguns,
>> >> > > semiautomatics.....etc.
>>
>> >> > > Somebody's getting ready for something, it seems. If not,
>> >> > > I'd hate to be a deer this hunting season.
>>
>> >> > > JG
>>
>> >> > My best guess is its a vast right wing consipracy.
>>
>> >> To relieve the conservative sheeple from what little money they
>> >> have left.
>>
>> >> I look forward to buying their guns on bankruptcy auctions for
>> >> pennies on the dollar.
>>
>> >> TMT
>>
>> > Their guns won't go to auction, dummy.
>>
>> Maybe police auctions?
>
> I'm unaware of firearms being distributed via police auctions.
All Things Considered, July 9, 2000 � Police in Kentucky are reluctantly
preparing to auction off all firearms they've confiscated, in accordance
with a new law that goes into effect this week. Proceeds from the sales
will be used to buy bullet-proof vests for police officers. Many police
believe guns used in crimes should be destroyed, not recirculated. NPR's
Adam Hochberg reports.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1076419
State and local police in many areas conduct periodic auctions to dispose
of firearms that they have confiscated, seized, or otherwise acquired.
Similarly, state fish and wildlife departments sometimes have auctions
consisting of guns that they have confiscated from poachers and game law
violators.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3197/is_n2_v34/ai_7423583/
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Klaus Schadenfreude
Think you could find something newer than almost a decade ago?
http://www.kentuckystatepolice.org/
"The Confiscated Weapon Sale Will Be May 19th, 2009"
http://mnoutside.com/104/dnr-confiscated-firearm-auction/
DNR Confiscated Firearm Auction
The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) will auction its
inventory of confiscated firearms on Saturday, May 2,
RD (The Sandman)
news:h2562b$oi2$2...@news.eternal-september.org:
I was speaking to the majority of those guns which never see Cowboy
Action or SASS unless there is a magazine laying on the table.
RD (The Sandman)
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that "RD (The
> Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> reported Elvis on Fri, 26
> Jun 2009 14:47:26 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>
>>> In other words, for Colt to bring out a low priced replica
>>> revolver, it will have production runs in the thousands. But sales
>>> are not in the thousands but in the hundreds. Colt doesn't want to
>>> sit on hundreds of guns it can't sell, so it doesn't make all that
>>> many.
>>
>>Correct. That is simply controlling the supply so that it doesn't
>>outreach the demand. If Colt did end up sitting on hundreds of guns,
>>the price would also have fallen into the basement.
>
> And in the meantime Colt would have taken a bath, financially.
At that time. They probably had quite a few sitting around when the
double actions came out and left the old SAs sitting in the dark. It
wasn't really until Ruger got into the game that the old single action
sixgun had a comeback. Damn, maybe that is why the old Colt SAA went
back into production......ya' think? ;)
RD (The Sandman)
news:h255sn$oi2$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
While slower to reload, there is really no gun that can get off that
first self defense shot with some modicum of accuracy as fast as a single
action revolver. It is in the follow-ups where the disparity emerges.
RD (The Sandman)
> On Jun 25, 12:45�pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Chuckleberry Finn <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> innews:554c71b1-
> 1591-47ca-987...@l28g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
I have seen police auctions on firearms before but not for a few decades.
Times change, I guess.
RD (The Sandman)
news:Xns9C36C7AC8C351p...@216.196.97.131:
I had used both soap and hard candle wax with just primers in lieu of a
load. Enabled me to get a neighbors dog to stop trying to shit on my
lawn.
With all my neighbors shooting off fireworks
> maybe I can pull off a few blank shots.
>
>
--
robert bowman
> I had used both soap and hard candle wax with just primers in lieu of a
> load. Enabled me to get a neighbors dog to stop trying to shit on my
> lawn.
A little beeswax from a watercloset ring mixed in with canning wax works
well. Melt them together, and let it cool in a layer about 1/4 to 3/8
thick, and use the case like a cookie cutter. It helps to drill the flash
hole out a little or the primer will back out and not get reseated like it
does with a loaded cartridge which can stop the revolver from revolving. I
never had a problem with dogs, but it makes a nice practice round for point
shooting. At point shooting distances, a wad of wax and a full blown 158 gr
load are going to have the same point of impact for all practical purposes.
Gray Ghost
news:Xns9C37686D0...@216.196.97.130:
I know that one of the more famous lawmen, Hickock I think, preferred his BP
Navy Colts. He carried 2. Every morning he discharged each in turn,
practicing his markmansship whilst clearing the cylinder, then reloading
each. I think the idea was he got in a little practice and he kept his
weapons cleaned and freshly charged.
I suspect leaving a BP revolver loaded for a couple months could be a career
ending mistake. Misfires would seem all to likely.
--
Always remember:
Bull Connor was a Democrat!
Scout
I will simply note that IMO the accuracy of that first shot rests 99.9%
with the shooter and only 0.1% with the inherent accuracy of the
firearm. Assuming standard self defense ranges and firearm accuracy.
As such unless you have a firearm that is wildly inaccurate, shot
placement is going to depend almost exclusively on the actions of the
shooter.
Gunner Asch
<hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 23, 8:06�pm, Mort <nob...@nymu.eu> wrote:
>> John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Heh.
>>
>> Saw my son last night. He manages the firearms department at
>> a retail store, one of the larger national outdoor chains.
>>
>> Almost all firearms and ammunition are backordered. They
>> sell pretty much everything they have (and the department is
>> huge, since the store is pretty much geared around hunting
>> and fishing) as soon as they get it unpacked. The longest
>> waits (up to five months) for backordered weapons AND ammo
>> are for military-issue rifles, handguns,
>> semiautomatics.....etc.
>>
>> Somebody's getting ready for something, it seems. If not,
>> I'd hate to be a deer this hunting season.
>>
>> JG
>
>My best guess is its a vast right wing consipracy.
<VBG> Yes..it is. <VBG>
And the Left will simply be blown away.......<HBG>
Gunner
"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"
Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno
Gunner Asch
Oh..quite a few agencies sell recovered arms at auctions. Fact.
Most agencies destroy those used in murders etc however.
Which is why predomonantly black areas have few auctions.
Gunner Asch
<nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Many police
>believe guns used in crimes should be destroyed, not recirculated.
Indeed "many" do. On the other hand..MOST cops dont. In fact..one will
find many cops at the auctions buying personal arms.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
<nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> More useful tip: if you want a HANDGUN - which is what any single-
>> action revolver is - dirt cheap, look in the classifieds or go to all
>> the shows and eventually you'll find someone wanting to sell his
>> barely-used one and usually at a substantial discount off new price
>> unless it's an older model.
>
>Well ideally I'd want a Walker .44 that could remain loaded for years at
>a time without the problems of leaving blackpowder or new synthetic
>gunpowder in the chamber that long. You could leave the caps off, but
>the powder reacts with the metal and might combust or eat up the metal.
>What about a hermetically sealed membrane that could hold a stabilized
>powder and be compacted by the ball and then even years later could be
>reliably fired. Maybe then you could leave the caps on. What would be
>the difference between that and any other loaded gun, if the powder was
>permanently stabilized?
>
>Then it would be perfect.
Humm...lets see...there are a minimum of 5 "erronious claims" in the
above paragraph.
Gunner Asch
<nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in
>news:pan.2009.06...@live.com:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:27:39 -0400, Scout wrote:
>>
>>> Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:44:59 -0500, nraclaptrap wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in news:ce552e6e-
>0893-
>>>>> 485a-947e-5...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 24, 12:27 pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a tip for you TMT - forget about buying single action
>>>>>>> revolvers when you can get military style assault weapons DIRT
>>>>>>> CHEAP!
>>>>>> More useful tip: if you want a HANDGUN - which is what any single-
>>>>>> action revolver is - dirt cheap, look in the classifieds or go to
>all
>>>>>> the shows and eventually you'll find someone wanting to sell his
>>>>>> barely-used one and usually at a substantial discount off new price
>>>>>> unless it's an older model.
>>>>> Well ideally I'd want a Walker .44 that could remain loaded for
>years
>>>>> at a time without the problems of leaving blackpowder or new
>synthetic
>>>>> gunpowder in the chamber that long. You could leave the caps off,
>but
>>>>> the powder reacts with the metal and might combust or eat up the
>>>>> metal. What about a hermetically sealed membrane that could hold a
>>>>> stabilized powder and be compacted by the ball and then even years
>>>>> later could be reliably fired.
>>>>
>>>> If that's a question then the invention is upon you already. It's
>>>> called a "cartridge" and comes in a wide variety of calibers.
>>>
>>> Problem, as a self admitted convicted felon, federal law prohibited
>Lee
>>> from having, owning, possessing or even holding a modern firearm.
>>>
>>>>> Maybe then you could leave the caps on. What would be the
>difference
>>>>> between that and any other loaded gun, if the powder was permanently
>>>>> stabilized?
>>>>>
>>>>> Then it would be perfect.
>>>>
>>>> It's already available.
>>>
>>> But Lee can't legally have one by his own admission.
>
>I could have a machine gun if I wanted one and had the cash. No
>different from most gunloons.
But not a legal one.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
<nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> If that's a question then the invention is upon you already. It's
>> called a "cartridge" and comes in a wide variety of calibers.
>
>How would you fire a muzzle-loaded chamber with a percussion cap after
>the load has laid compressed against a lead ball for 5 years?
By cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger?
Gunner Asch
<nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Because such firearms are being purchased almost exclusively by a
>> niche market, typically called the Cowboy Action Society, or the
>> Single Action Shooters Society.
>>
>> Low sales number equal high prices.
>
>That doesn't make sense. If you can't sell something you mark it down
>just to get rid of it.
Again your stupidity is open and impressive.
Gunner Asch
<nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>A blued Vaquero .45 goes for $659.
Thats the Suggested Manufactures price.
Which no one pays.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>>
>> However, it is not as pressure proof as the old Blackhawks. You can't
>> load up a New Vaquero like you would the old three screw guns.
>
>True. But then, for Cowboy Action and SASS, you won't need those loads.
Indeed. Those loads are way above the standard loads.
Gunner
BamaBrian
For that one, I think I'd use a paintball gun. Scare hell out of the
dog - and the owner would think twice about letting it run again.
Of course, if you're in a rural area, as my cousin is, you could use
some birdshot or rock salt in a scatter gun.
BamaBrian
BamaBrian
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:02:57 -0700 (PDT), Avery Fineman
> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 23, 8:06 pm, Mort <nob...@nymu.eu> wrote:
>>> John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Heh.
>>>
>>> Saw my son last night. He manages the firearms department at
>>> a retail store, one of the larger national outdoor chains.
>>>
>>> Almost all firearms and ammunition are backordered. They
>>> sell pretty much everything they have (and the department is
>>> huge, since the store is pretty much geared around hunting
>>> and fishing) as soon as they get it unpacked. The longest
>>> waits (up to five months) for backordered weapons AND ammo
>>> are for military-issue rifles, handguns,
>>> semiautomatics.....etc.
>>>
>>> Somebody's getting ready for something, it seems. If not,
>>> I'd hate to be a deer this hunting season.
>>>
>>> JG
>> My best guess is its a vast right wing consipracy.
>
> <VBG> Yes..it is. <VBG>
>
> And the Left will simply be blown away.......<HBG>
It does seem that the non-availability is easing. I just found a
roadside gun store/filling station/restaurant that has all the ammo I
could ever hope to shoot, in virtually every caliber.
They had pallet loads of .223, 7.62x39, .30.30, .45, and 9mm. They also
had copious supplies of most everything else, up to and including .380.
The prices are still high, though for most ammo. I absolutely hate
paying $0.50 per round for .380... But in case lots, .223 for 30 cents
per round, AK ammo similar.
And they had an enormous stock of guns at today's price levels.
What shocked me was seeing a Ruger .380 LCP on sale for $347 - and they
had eight in stock. Still a gouging price since msrp is $330, but not
nearly so bad as the $400 another store charges and then puts you on a
waiting list that is several months long.
BamaBrian
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:19:04 -0500, nraclaptrap
> <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> A blued Vaquero .45 goes for $659.
>
> Thats the Suggested Manufactures price.
>
> Which no one pays.
I can get one for $474 in stainless, but there will be a ten percent tax
added to that, plus a $10 NICS fee.
RD (The Sandman)
news:1Ou1m.18735$w01...@newsfe05.iad:
Didn't say any different. However, a single action revolver fits more
people with a natural aiming tendency than any other firearm. Try this
yourself with various firearms including single actions. Close your
eyes, draw the firearm from your pocket, speed is not really a concern,
aim it at a target....open your eyes. You will find that single action
revolver points more naturally for most people than any other form of
firearm. That was the point. On the first shot in a self defense
situation that shot is the most likely to be instinctive and rely on the
ergonomics of the weapon than any other.
RD (The Sandman)
@news.eternal-september.org:
The price of the Ruger LCP is interesting. We have a gun shop where that
has Ruger LCRs for $479 when retail price is $525 and they are in real
demand.
RD (The Sandman)
news:g55d451s64b3ikpsn...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:13:30 -0400, BamaBrian
> <claypo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> However, it is not as pressure proof as the old Blackhawks. You
>>> can't load up a New Vaquero like you would the old three screw guns.
>>
>>True. But then, for Cowboy Action and SASS, you won't need those
>>loads.
>
> Indeed. Those loads are way above the standard loads.
I hope you aren't speaking of the "cowboy" loads.
Scout
Odd, I own a single action and a double action revolver of the same
model, and I get the same result with either of them. I still fail to
see how a single action aims better than a double action. Now if you say
a revolver tends to point shoot more naturally, then you might have an
point. However single action v double action. I think not.
RD (The Sandman)
news:h284at$l8h$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
Paintball guns weren't around when this occurred.
> Of course, if you're in a rural area, as my cousin is, you could use
> some birdshot or rock salt in a scatter gun.
That is usually saved for those who tip over outhouses on Halloween.
RD (The Sandman)
news:xvN1m.854$KM3...@newsfe02.iad:
I said "most people". You may be one of those who don't favor a single
action but not in the majority.
Scout
Ok, I'm willing to let any person (who can legally possess) a firearm to
try the same experiment with these two handguns. One single action and
the other double action and show me that one or the other has a better
or different natural point of aim.
The only difference is the action and that is strictly due to internal
differences which should have no impact on it's "aim" natural or otherwise.
RD (The Sandman)
news:HcO1m.839$Ei4...@newsfe13.iad:
Show you? Nothing personal, but you ain't worth it. If you try it
yourself and find no difference, fine. If others try it and do find a
difference, also fine. What I presented was an opinion, no more, no
less. If it fits you, good. If not......
> The only difference is the action
No, that is not the only difference unless your single action is not a
typical plow handle. The Bisley type grip is formed much like double
action grip so they would be close to the same. The 1873 which is the
most common sixgun grip is not.
> and that is strictly due to internal
> differences which should have no impact on it's "aim" natural or
> otherwise.
>
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nraclaptrap
news:xvN1m.854$KM3...@newsfe02.iad:
Double the action means double the likelihood of excess movement, thus
missing the target. That's why single-action pistols are always more
accurate.
Point proven!
--
NRACLAPTRAP
nraclaptrap
news:HcO1m.839$Ei4...@newsfe13.iad:
Okay, I'll bet I can shoot straighter than you SNOUT using my Walker .44
muzzleloader and you using whatever double-action piece of shit you try
to shoot. And I haven't shot the Walker yet, and in fact I haven't shot
a pistol since I was a teenager and that was a double-action S&W .38
special and I couldn't hit a damn thing with it.
Bet I can still shoot straighter than you can.
--
NRACLAPTRAP
nraclaptrap
>>> Certainly, if you had some sort of stable powder in a mechanically
>>> robust cylindrical form that you could just insert into a revolver's
>>> cylinder, then it would be wonderful thing for the CS/SASS shooters.
>>
>> Not familiar with CS/SASS but I think you're right. Instead of a
>> solid, hard charge make one that's like silly putty so it fits the
>> cylinder perfectly with no spaces, and burns very fast and leaves no
>> residue. That would be better than loose powder. And the bullets
>> could be lightly coated with a sealant, so when capped the chamber
>> should remain fairly stable for years, and when fired all the
>> accelerant and sealant would be burned up.
>
> It's a good idea. I've got only a bit of chemistry, so I really can't
> guess whether such a thing is feasible. I'd like to think so; the
> more options for us all, the better.
>
> Following your idea, a variant of C4 - plastique explosive - might be
> possible. I know that plastique is more stable than dynamite. Only
> problem here is that it is literally too explosive; i.e., gunpowder is
> formulated to provide a slower shock wave than true explosives. This
> allows the gunpowder time to push the bullet out of the chamber,
> rather than creating an effect where the gun itself explodes in your
> hand.
>
> This is the reason why a bullet fired from a long barreled gun will
> have more velocity than a similar one fired from a short barrel - the
> expanding gases do not develop all their 'push' immediately.
>
> I like a black powder gun, always have. There is something to be said
> for the ability to completely reload your own gun without having to
> rely on someone else for parts of the reloading components, such as
> primers.
> Black powder itself is relatively easy to make from charcoal,
> saltpeter, and sulfur. Lead - or even silver - is easy to cast into
> bullets. But those percussion caps full of fulminate are best left to
> the experts to build. Perhaps a piezoelectric element to create a
> spark could serve instead?
>
> It's an interesting idea, though. A non-fouling modern,
> non-encapsulated explosive putty for the black powder guns. There are
> still a sizable number of hunters who use the old muzzle-loaders and
> who may well be interested. I believe that the CS/SASS people would
> be very interested. You should see the black powder folks frantically
> reloading six-shooter cylinders at the reloading tables!
What's needed is nanotech engineered materials that dissipate heat and
withstand higher pressures. Won't be long now.
--
NRACLAPTRAP
Gunner Asch
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> As such unless you have a firearm that is wildly inaccurate, shot
>> placement is going to depend almost exclusively on the actions of the
>> shooter.
>
>Didn't say any different. However, a single action revolver fits more
>people with a natural aiming tendency than any other firearm. Try this
>yourself with various firearms including single actions. Close your
>eyes, draw the firearm from your pocket, speed is not really a concern,
>aim it at a target....open your eyes. You will find that single action
>revolver points more naturally for most people than any other form of
>firearm. That was the point. On the first shot in a self defense
>situation that shot is the most likely to be instinctive and rely on the
>ergonomics of the weapon than any other.
Actually...it tends to be an idividual trait.
Personally..when I pick up a 1911 with the normal arched mainspring
housing...its pointing where I look.
SSAs tend to be high for me.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in
>news:g55d451s64b3ikpsn...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:13:30 -0400, BamaBrian
>> <claypo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> However, it is not as pressure proof as the old Blackhawks. You
>>>> can't load up a New Vaquero like you would the old three screw guns.
>>>
>>>True. But then, for Cowboy Action and SASS, you won't need those
>>>loads.
>>
>> Indeed. Those loads are way above the standard loads.
>
>I hope you aren't speaking of the "cowboy" loads.
Sorry about the confusion. I was refering to the Normal Loads....the
Standard Loads are low powered for Cowboy Action etc.
Gunner Asch
The basic Wrist Rocket slingshot works just fine on dogs, and with
considerably less noise.
Curly Surmudgeon
Don't get caught in California. When living in a rural area I shot a
neighbors dog with rock salt who had previously killed chickens but this
time was mauling our cats. Then I was prosecuted by the DA for animal
cruelty (which I beat at the cost more than a few $$$). If I were being
cruel I would have just hung the dog like Gunner. But I like dogs more
than people.
In California the law reads that you can only shoot a dog in defense of
self or livestock, not pets. Go figure. If challenged in California be
sure to make the right claim...
For your survival, never talk to the police. Parts one and two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE
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Regards, Curly
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Gunner Asch
Ok....thats just about enough bullshit from you that Im going to read.
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