When Did America Become a Nation of Frightened Wimps?
Lookout
When did America become a nation of frightened wimps?
It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question
authority - Benjamin Franklin
When did America become a nation of frightened wimps? When did we
cross the line from courage to cowardice? Was it sometime in the
1990s? After the Oklahoma City bombing? After the Columbine
shootings? After 911?
When did we decide to allow the police to smash into private homes
without knocking and identifying themselves? Recently, in the suburb
I live in, a special police force dressed in black Nazi style
uniforms busted into a suburban home without warning and dragged a
school teacher out of her house with an automatic weapon at the back
of her head. They forced her to the ground, handcuffed her, and
hauled her away while her neighbors watched. They did it without a
warrant and without consequence. Why? A misunderstanding. That is
precisely why we need checks in place, to avoid misunderstandings
and abuses. The police chief said, "When we realized it was a
mistake, we all had a good laugh." If a group of unidentified men
dragged his wife away at gunpoint, I wonder if he would still think
it was funny.
When did we decide it was okay to strip search an old lady at the
airport because the pin in her hip set off the metal detector? When
did we decide it was too risky to take a cup of coffee on an
airplane? When did we decide it was reasonable to make a nursing
mother drink her own breast milk to prove she wasn't a terrorist?
When we impose such extreme levels of security, haven't the
terrorists already won? Haven't we willingly given our freedom to
the government and the terrorists in the name of security?
When did we decide it was okay for policemen in combat boots with
German Shepherds to patrol High School hallways?
When did we decide to allow routine police roadblocks? Why weren't
we outraged?
When did we decide it was too dangerous for our children to ride
their bikes to school?
When did we decide it was okay for the government to seize property
without a trial, without due process, at the whim of a government
agency?
When did we decide that our government had a right to the fluids
inside our own bodies? Or a right to the very breath in our lungs?
When did we decide that it was the accused's responsibility to prove
they hadn't been breaking the law? When did we decide that drug
testing High School students was reasonable? Hell, why is it
reasonable to drug test anyone - ever? Why would anybody, for any
reason, have the right to invade your body without your permission?
Read the rest HERE
http://www.steve-olson.com/when-did-america-become-a-nation-of-frightened-wimps/
Masculist
"The Republic" decided probably sometime in the first or second decade
after WWII. Nixon executed most of the plan by using ex CIA agents
as "plumbers" to get counter insurgent feminists in the McGovern
campaign to take over the Left. This assured no opposition to their
control in confronting communism and creating a "New World Corporate
Feminist Order". Once the Muslim problem is over than it's "Mission
Accomplished".
Smitty
> Read the rest HERE
>
> http://www.steve-olson.com/when-did-america-become-a-nation-of-fright...
Freedom Fighter
holding office in Washington DC!
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB!
Patriotic Americans must demand that the new Democratic Congress open a new
and independent investigation.
9/11 - the IRREFUTABLE FACTS and the EVIDENCE backing them up:
WTC building 7 collapsed in a deliberate demolition by explosives just hours
after the collapse of the twin towers. There is no other credible
explanation for its collapse. The planes that struck the towers did not
structurally damage building 7, and debris did only minor damage to it. No
steel frame building has EVER collapsed from even a serious fire; the fires
in building 7 were not extensive, and were only on a few of the lower
floors. These probably were arson fires, as falling debris from the towers
would have only ignited the roof and upper floors. Deliberate, pre-planned
explosive demolition is the ONLY explanation for the sudden, complete, and
near free-fall speed collapse of building 7. This is the weakest link in the
official coverup - and the 9/11 Commission whitewash IGNORES building 7
entirely!
See documentation at http://www.wtc7.net/
and http://www.prisonplanet.com/012004watson.html
Explosive demolitions take considerable time to set up (see
http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm).
The explosives could not possibly have been properly placed around all
thestructural supports and set up for detonation in building 7 in the few
hours between the attacks and that building's collapse. Yet that collapse
was clearly a professionally executed demolition by explosives.
Therefore -
THE DEMOLITION EXPLOSIVES IN BUILDING 7 WERE PUT IN
PLACE PRIOR TO THE PLANES IMPACTING THE TWIN TOWERS!
Therefore -
The 9/11 attacks were KNOWN OF IN ADVANCE, and DELIBERATELY
ALLOWED TO OCCUR! It was intended beforehand that building 7 and the twin
towers all be completely destroyed, KILLING THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
REMAINING IN THEM! Is this anything less than mass murder, the crime of the
century aided and abetted if not perpetrated by HOMELAND terrorist traitors
to America?
The above facts, further documented below, do not alone rigorously prove
that previously placed explosives likewise brought down the twin towers, but
see the following:
A paper published by Steven E. Jones, Professor of Physics, Brigham Young
University, concludes that prepositioned demolition explosives brought down
all three collapsed WTC buildings, not the plane impacts or fires.
Consider these facts:
1. Pulverization of all three buildings:
As we all saw, all three buildings collapsed to DUST, with unusually little
solid debris remaining. It is clear that a 500,000 ton concrete and steel
building cannot be turned to a huge cloud of dust in less than 15 seconds by
a simple structural collapse, nor indeed by anything other than explosives.
2. Thermate residue in the metal:
Professor Jones of Brigham Young University has tested the metal taken from
the site, and a paper on his findings is available
(http://www.journalof911studies.com/ or video at
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2842384983834100001&q=stephen+jones
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...=stephen+jones
The debris has tested positive for products of a THERMATE REACTION. Thermate
is an incediary substance used to very quickly slice through thick steel. It
is used together with high explosives in controlled demolitions.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WrCWLpRc1yM
Professor Jones's findings have been scrutinized since June 2006 and are
scientifically undisputed. They prove on their own that this was an inside
job, as thermate could not have been present through any other
circumstances.
3. Free fall collapses:
The towers fell, according to the 9/11 Commission, at 9-10 seconds, and 7
for WTC7. This equates to almost free fall speed. The only way an object can
free fall is if it encounters no more resistance in its fall than air. This
cannot happen in a structural collapse, as the floors would pancake on top
of one another, resulting in about 90 major points of inertial resistance to
the fall. Free fall can only happen in a controlled demolition where all the
supports are blown out at once or close to it, and the structures below the
falling matter can offer little or no resistance.
Check out Dutch controlled demolition expert Danny Jowenko's statement on
this:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/3231]http://www.911blogger.com/node/3231
4. Eyewitness reports:
Shortly after 9/11, the FDNY recorded over 500 oral histories in which
firefighters and emergency medical workers recounted their experiences of
that day. Mayor Bloomberg's administration, however, has refused to release
them. But the New York Times, joined by several families of 9/11 victims,
filed suit and, after a long process, the New York Court of Appeals ordered
the city to release the bulk of these oral histories, which it did in August
2005. The Times then made them publicly available
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html
These oral histories contain many dozens of testimonies that speak of
explosions and related phenomena characteristic of controlled demolition.
Some examples:
Several individuals reported that they witnessed an explosion just before
one of the towers collapsed. Battalion Chief John Sudnik said: "we heard . .
. what sounded like a loud explosion and looked up and I saw tower two start
coming down" (NYT, Sudnick, p. 4).
Several people reported multiple explosions. Paramedic Kevin Darnowski said:
"I heard three explosions, and then . . . tower two started to come down"
(NYT, Darnowski, p. 8).
Firefighter Thomas Turilli said, "it almost sounded like bombs going off,
like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight" (NYT, Turilli, p. 4). Craig
Carlsen said that he and other firefighters "heard explosions coming from .
. . the south tower. . . . There were about ten explosions. . . . We then
realized the building started to come down" (NYT, Carlsen, pp. 5-6).
Firefighter Joseph Meola said, "it looked like the building was blowing out
on all four sides. We actually heard the pops" (NYT, Meola, p. 5).
Paramedic Daniel Rivera also mentioned "pops." Asked how he knew that the
south tower was coming down, he said: "It was a frigging noise. At first I
thought it was---do you ever see professional demolition where they set the
charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'? . . .
I thought it was that." (NYT, Rivera, p. 9)
Timothy Burke said that "the building popped, lower than the fire. . . . I
was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device because the way the
building popped. I thought it was an explosion" (NYT, Burke, pp. 8-9).
Firefighter Edward Cachia said: "It actually gave at a lower floor, not the
floor where the plane hit. . . . [W]e originally had thought there was like
an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom,
boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down" (NYT, Cachia, p. 5).
Some of the witnesses spoke of flashes and of phenomena suggestive of
demolition rings:
Assistant Commissioner Stephen Gregory said: "I thought . . . before . . .
No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . I . . . saw a flash
flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when
they demolish a building?" (NYT, Gregory, pp. 14-16).
Further evidence can be found at:
http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm This
author has a master's degree in Engineering from Stanford University, and a
Ph.D. in Psychology from the University of Oregon.
MORE EVIDENCE OF THERMATE-EXPLOSIVE DEMOLITION:
There were severalthousand pounds of still red-hot molten iron found under
the three collapsed WTC buildings six weeks after the cleanup began. When
metal is heated to over 3500 degrees F in a matter of seconds, and a piece
falls away, it is effectively cut just as with an oxy-acetylene torch. This
is how thermate is used to cut through steel from a safe distance.
Demolition crews use it in conjunction with C-4 explosive "kicker" charges.
Initiate the thermite by remote control, wait 12 seconds or so, then
detonate the C-4 to "kick" the column or post away from its severed support.
History can be rewritten, but the laws of physics cannot. Jet fuel can only
reach about 1100 degrees F, nowhere near the temperature required to create
a pool of molten iron slag. That only happens at thermate reaction
temperatures. Thermate is a simple substance, made mostly of aluminum and
iron oxide. When the reaction takes place, the iron oxide and aluminum
become aluminum oxide and white-hot molten iron at a temperature of about
4500 F. Thermate requires at least 1400 degrees F to start its exothermic
reaction, so you cannot ignite thermate by crashing an airplane into a
building. And even if that were possible, how did the thermate get there in
the first place, positioned to sever steel structural members?
EVEN MORE EVIDENCE of the inside job:
Many very small HUMAN BODY FRAGMENTS have been found on the roofs of nearby
buildings. These were too far away to be from jumpers from the towers. If
the towers simply collapsed from damage and fire, what blew these bodies to
smithereens and sent the fragments flying for considerable distances? The
plane impacts did not have the explosive brisance (shattering force)
necessary to do this - only HIGH EXPLOSIVES, like C-4, can blow bodies to
tiny bits.
In addition, consider THE TOTAL FAILURE of our sophisticated NORAD AEROSPACE
DEFENSE SYSTEM. Not even ONE of the FOUR hijacked jets flying at SUBSONIC
speeds towards known terrorist targets was intercepted! Such a failure could
not have happened without it being intentional. Military exercises were
underway at the time that would make reports of hijacked planes appear to be
merely part of the exercise. The attempts at official explanation for this
inexplicable failure have been uniformly ludicrous.
Possible motives? Do a Google search on the "Project For a New American
Century," and the "New Pearl Harbor."
Many deniers of these unprecedented crimes of mass murder are simply
psychologically incapable of considering them possible. Misled by the
corporate/government-controlled media, deceived by an elaborate cover-up,
and indoctrinated with a perverted sense of "patriotism," they are under the
delusion that only barbaric foreign terrorists could commit such inhuman
atrocities. But foreign terrorists could not have planted demolition
explosives in advance. HOMELAND TERRORISTS had to do that! The implications
of this are literally unthinkable to many, which is just what the evil
perpetrators of this crime against humanity are counting on.
Given the shock and horror, the massive death and destruction of these
events, irrational denial is understandable. History reveals despicable acts
of terror by unscrupulous powers in the USSR, Germany, China, and elsewhere.
Why would this evil side of human nature not surface here in America?
Overcoming denial and exposing the truth is the only hope for saving us from
a fascist regime of vicious killers as bad as the Nazis ever were. Should we
wait to find out if they can be even worse?
CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE.
DEMAND A NEW AND INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THIS MASS-MURDEROUS CRIME OF
THE CENTURY!
More 9/11 documentation:
http://www.st911.org/
http://www.septembereleventh.org/kc/multimedia/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJmcvTzYfo&NR
http://911busters.com/911-Commission.html
http://www.septembereleventh.org/audio.php
http://911busters.com/SanFran04/index.html
http://www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=gallery
http://www.reopen911.org/
http://www.911truth.org/
http://www.911truthseekers.org/
http://www.911truthseekers.org/modules/news/
http://www.gnn.tv/
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf
http://www.911studies.com/index.html
http://www.septembereleventh.org/index.php
http://infowars.com/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
http://www.mujca.com/index.htm
http://proliberty.com/observer/20051213.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
http://911review.com/
http://guardian.250free.com/wtc/dust-cloud.htm
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html
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"You can fool some of the people all the time,
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you want to concentrate on".
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Masculist
> Wake up - the biggest terrorists in the world are mass-murdering fascists
> holding office in Washington DC!
>
> 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB!
>
> Patriotic Americans must demand that the new Democratic Congress open a new
> and independent investigation.
Fuck the feminist democratic party. They practically flew the planes
into the towers for Bush. As long as you Leftists have your heads up
your feminist asses nothing will happen. The MAN rules over all of us
using his feminist bitches and corporate money.
Put your energy behind a new non feminist Left and then you will make
progress. Join the political party of the future...The American Union
of Men (AUM). Start by starting a Men's Union in your town. Get
together at the bar and drive home drunk in protest.
Smitty
> 9/11 - the IRREFUTABLE FACTS and the EVIDENCE backing them up:
>
> WTC building 7 collapsed in a deliberate demolition by explosives just hours
> after the collapse of the twin towers. There is no other credible
> explanation for its collapse. The planes that struck the towers did not
> structurally damage building 7, and debris did only minor damage to it. No
> steel frame building has EVER collapsed from even a serious fire; the fires
> in building 7 were not extensive, and were only on a few of the lower
> floors. These probably were arson fires, as falling debris from the towers
> would have only ignited the roof and upper floors. Deliberate, pre-planned
> explosive demolition is the ONLY explanation for the sudden, complete, and
> near free-fall speed collapse of building 7. This is the weakest link in the
> official coverup - and the 9/11 Commission whitewash IGNORES building 7
> entirely!
>
> See documentation athttp://www.wtc7.net/
> andhttp://www.prisonplanet.com/012004watson.html
>
> Explosive demolitions take considerable time to set up (seehttp://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm).
> (http://www.journalof911studies.com/ or video athttp://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2842384983834100001&q=step...http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...=stephen+jones
>
> The debris has tested positive for products of a THERMATE REACTION. Thermate
> is an incediary substance used to very quickly slice through thick steel. It
> is used together with high explosives in controlled demolitions.http://youtube.com/watch?v=WrCWLpRc1yM
> Professor Jones's findings have been scrutinized since June 2006 and are
> scientifically undisputed. They prove on their own that this was an inside
> job, as thermate could not have been present through any other
> circumstances.
>
> 3. Free fall collapses:
> The towers fell, according to the 9/11 Commission, at 9-10 seconds, and 7
> for WTC7. This equates to almost free fall speed. The only way an object can
> free fall is if it encounters no more resistance in its fall than air. This
> cannot happen in a structural collapse, as the floors would pancake on top
> of one another, resulting in about 90 major points of inertial resistance to
> the fall. Free fall can only happen in a controlled demolition where all the
> supports are blown out at once or close to it, and the structures below the
> falling matter can offer little or no resistance.
> Check out Dutch controlled demolition expert Danny Jowenko's statement on
> this:http://www.911blogger.com/node/3231]http://www.911blogger.com/node/3231
>
> 4. Eyewitness reports:
> Shortly after 9/11, the FDNY recorded over 500 oral histories in which
> firefighters and emergency medical workers recounted their experiences of
> that day. Mayor Bloomberg's administration, however, has refused to release
> them. But the New York Times, joined by several families of 9/11 victims,
> filed suit and, after a long process, the New York Court of Appeals ordered
> the city to release the bulk of these oral histories, which it did in August
> 2005. The Times then made them publicly availablehttp://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAP...
> underway at the time that would make reports of hijacked planes appear to ...
>
> read more ยป
Ben
seon ferguson
police. They knew the government worked for the people and the police never
would have tried the tyrrinical things it does. But something happened...
"Lookout" <zx034b...@bazooka.e4ward.com> wrote in message
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Avenger
"Lookout" <zx034b...@bazooka.e4ward.com> wrote in message
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>
The US has always been a nation of pusillanimous pipsqueaks.
the wharf rat
Avenger <ave...@avengers.co.uk> wrote:
>
>The US has always been a nation of pusillanimous pipsqueaks.
>
Which is why we're still part of the British unEmpire,
eh, you limey bastard?
Avenger
"the wharf rat" <wr...@panix.com> wrote in message
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The insurrection by a handful of colonials and the proper jurisdiction of
the crown lasted 7years in which time Washington trird to avoid the enemy
lol Total casualties were 3000 mostly from disease or accidents.
The American revolution was motivated by greed. The colonists were in fact
freer than the English in England and the tiny taxes were to pay for debts
incurred in the French and Indian War where British troops (Washington
included-he was a colonel in the British army) Defended the colonies against
invasion. Many of the colonist's complaints were just a pretext to seek
independence and keep all the booty themselves,in violation of the charters
that brought them here in the first place.Most people were against breaking
away from England with only the wealthy who had something to gain for it.
Read Jefferson's Declaration which was sent to King George III and the other
leaders around the world where he states the reasons for independence.Most
of it is complete nonsense and I can go through it point by point but it
would be lost on you.
VAN DIESEL
"Lookout" <zx034b...@bazooka.e4ward.com> wrote in message
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>
1777 the last time they won a war.
Avenger
"VAN DIESEL" <freere...@liberty.com> wrote in message
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Well they did come into WWI when everyone was too tired to fight anymore and
get an Armastice with the Germans. And of course the Russians really beat
Hilter and lost 20m doing it. But they did fight the N.Koreans to a
stalemate and of course they did a great job in Viet Nam which is what Iraq
is turning into. But the US Civil War was their crowning glory where 1/2
million killed each other so that 4m slaves coud end up unemployed lol
>
>
Morton Davis
gatt
"Morton Davis" <anti...@go.com> wrote in message
news:0J9Wh.5856$n_.1128@attbi_s21...
>> > When did America become a nation of frightened wimps?
>>
>> 1777 the last time they won a war.
?!
> You shat yourself on that one, dipshit.
That's pretty impressive; it came out of his HEAD!
-c
stuar...@comcast.net
> When did America become a nation of frightened wimps?
>
> It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question
> authority - Benjamin Franklin
>
> When did America become a nation of frightened wimps? When did we
> cross the line from courage to cowardice? Was it sometime in the
> 1990s? After the Oklahoma City bombing? After the Columbine
> shootings? After 911?
>
> When did we decide to allow the police to smash into private homes
> without knocking and identifying themselves?
Ah, the no knock warrant!
That started with the drug laws, and the police having to properly serve
warrants as the people who possessed drugs flushed the drugs down the
toilet as the warrant was read, thus destroying the evidence.
This should have been a non issue - the constitution does not allow for
a DEA office, nor can the federal government dictate what a person
ingests. The answer to the drug problem is to let the druggies die from
their drugs.
Once they got the no-knock, just for THIS case (of getting the drug
evidence before it was flushed) pretty soon they were doing no knock for
all the things they PROMISED they wouldn't. Hell, they even use
no-knock, complete with "dynamic entry", which is nothing short of Storm
trooper tactics (even the Gestapo wasn't as bad as modern police
sometimes) to serve an arrest warrant. Excuse me, when was the last time
a human being escaped the police by flushing himself down the shitter?
Give the government a little bit of power, and they'll ABUSE it.
Look at those criminals in the FBI that abused the Patriot act. They've
PROVEN they cannot be trusted to handle the power responsibly as
congress intended.
> Recently, in the suburb
> I live in, a special police force dressed in black Nazi style
> uniforms busted into a suburban home without warning and dragged a
> school teacher out of her house with an automatic weapon at the back
> of her head. They forced her to the ground, handcuffed her, and
> hauled her away while her neighbors watched. They did it without a
> warrant and without consequence. Why? A misunderstanding. That is
> precisely why we need checks in place, to avoid misunderstandings
> and abuses. The police chief said, "When we realized it was a
> mistake, we all had a good laugh." If a group of unidentified men
> dragged his wife away at gunpoint, I wonder if he would still think
> it was funny.
We had a woman have her head blown off by a swat team that made a
mistake. Our shit head attorney general called it a "good shoot".
She hadn't done a damned thing, and the cops lied to get the search
warrant.
No police were prosecuted. You're right, they are NOT held responsible.
> When did we decide it was okay to strip search an old lady at the
> airport because the pin in her hip set off the metal detector? When
> did we decide it was too risky to take a cup of coffee on an
> airplane? When did we decide it was reasonable to make a nursing
> mother drink her own breast milk to prove she wasn't a terrorist?
> When we impose such extreme levels of security, haven't the
> terrorists already won? Haven't we willingly given our freedom to
> the government and the terrorists in the name of security?
Like the drug problem, we are missing the legal and constitutional way
to deal with the problem, and we are sticking it to ourselves.
Simply boot out all resident aliens, shut the borders, and give no more
visas, and viola! Problem solved.
But our government would rather do the strip searches of little old
ladies. They go out of their way NOT to do racial profiling. The whole
point, of course, is MORE POWER; they don't want to solve the problem
any more than the NRA wants to see the gun grabbers go away. As long as
the problem exists, they can get away with taking on more power.
Robert Sturgeon
<zx034b...@bazooka.e4ward.com> wrote:
>When did America become a nation of frightened wimps?
Sometime during the 70s. When that nut started shooting
from the tower in Texas, one of the professors took out his
deer rifle and returned fire. Can you imagine anything like
that happening now? The Kumbayah-singing passive cowards
have taken over, and they have managed to suppress the
rights of the remaining normal human beings.
--
Robert Sturgeon
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/
Too_Many_Tools
> On 19 Apr 2007 10:06:17 -0700, Lookout
>
You might have noticed that the cops at VT all went home safe and
sound after the shootings.
And they all stood outside in their body armor and waited for the
shooting to stop before going in.
I wonder if they whistled Kumbayah as they did the body count?
TMT
Avenger
"Robert Sturgeon" <rst...@inreach.com> wrote in message
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> On 19 Apr 2007 10:06:17 -0700, Lookout
> <zx034b...@bazooka.e4ward.com> wrote:
>
>>When did America become a nation of frightened wimps?
>
> Sometime during the 70s. When that nut started shooting
> from the tower in Texas, one of the professors took out his
> deer rifle and returned fire. Can you imagine anything like
> that happening now? The Kumbayah-singing passive cowards
> have taken over, and they have managed to suppress the
> rights of the remaining normal human beings.
That was Whitman a former marine and crack shot and it was in the 60's. It
appears that he was suffering from a brain tumor and was probably the cause
of his violence. And it wasn't just a professor who tried to stop him,
others tried to get up there and stop him too. Finally a cop managed to get
up to Whitman and killed him.
LCC
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stop the abuse of power. Visit my new Google group
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Gunner
wrote:
>
>"Robert Sturgeon" <rst...@inreach.com> wrote in message
>news:79ck235ued3s23hb1...@4ax.com...
>> On 19 Apr 2007 10:06:17 -0700, Lookout
>> <zx034b...@bazooka.e4ward.com> wrote:
>>
>>>When did America become a nation of frightened wimps?
>>
>> Sometime during the 70s. When that nut started shooting
>> from the tower in Texas, one of the professors took out his
>> deer rifle and returned fire. Can you imagine anything like
>> that happening now? The Kumbayah-singing passive cowards
>> have taken over, and they have managed to suppress the
>> rights of the remaining normal human beings.
>
>That was Whitman a former marine and crack shot and it was in the 60's. It
>appears that he was suffering from a brain tumor and was probably the cause
>of his violence. And it wasn't just a professor who tried to stop him,
>others tried to get up there and stop him too. Finally a cop managed to get
>up to Whitman and killed him.
Actually...it was multiple civilians and it was a civilian that went
with the cop...and they both killed Whitman.
Gunner
"I don't want to abolish government.
I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can
drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.
-- Grover Norquist
gatt
>> The Kumbayah-singing passive cowards
>> have taken over, and they have managed to suppress the rights of the
>> remaining normal human beings.
If that's the case, you gave up without any of the fight you promised.
What's the point of collecting guns, organizing militias, sending money to
the NRA and practing with your weapons if all you do is whine about hippies
them when your rights are suppressed? What are you, France?
C'mon, man. I can't believe you allowed your rights to be suppressed by
"Kumbayah-singing passive cowards." How in the unholy hell did you allow
THAT to happen?
>> Sometime during the 70s. When that nut started shooting from the tower
>> in Texas, one of the professors took out his
> deer rifle and returned fire.
That was in 1966, not the '70s. If some professor allegedly took out his
deer rifle, he was a piss poor shot because it took two cops going to the
top of the tower to kill him. All the allegedly armed professor apparently
did was miss.
"Which of the officers actually killed Whitman has been disputed; both
claimed responsibility. McCoy fired his shotgun twice, and Martinez fired
six rounds from his revolver before taking the shotgun and approaching the
limp Whitman and firing again point-blank." (That'd do it, I bet.)
-c
gatt
"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:v9ul235841tee9djb...@4ax.com...
> Actually...it was multiple civilians and it was a civilian that went
> with the cop...and they both killed Whitman.
The two officers that went up were Houston McCoy and Ramiro Martinez. Odd
that they allowed a civilian to go up with them. Is that normal for school
massacre situations? Taking civilians into a firefight with you?
"Martinez and McCoy continued their slow crawl, friendly fire from the
ground zinging around them. When Martinez reached the northeast corner, he
rounded it and began firing his .38. Charlie tried to return fire but could
not bring his weapon around in time. McCoy fired his shotgun twice at
Charlie's head, knocking him to the floor. Martinez then grabbed McCoy's
gun and ran toward Charlie's twitching body, firing into it point blank. At
1:24 p.m. Charlie was dead."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/whitman/tower_6.html
-c
Robert Sturgeon
<LiveFromTh...@gfy.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> The Kumbayah-singing passive cowards
>>> have taken over, and they have managed to suppress the rights of the
>>> remaining normal human beings.
>
>If that's the case, you gave up without any of the fight you promised.
>What's the point of collecting guns, organizing militias, sending money to
>the NRA and practing with your weapons if all you do is whine about hippies
>them when your rights are suppressed? What are you, France?
>
>C'mon, man. I can't believe you allowed your rights to be suppressed by
>"Kumbayah-singing passive cowards." How in the unholy hell did you allow
>THAT to happen?
You must be completely ignorant about how laws are enacted
and enforced.
>>> Sometime during the 70s. When that nut started shooting from the tower
>>> in Texas, one of the professors took out his
>> deer rifle and returned fire.
>
>That was in 1966, not the '70s.
The incident was in 1966. The takeover of America by the
wimps started, AFAIK, during the 70s.
gatt
>>C'mon, man. I can't believe you allowed your rights to be suppressed by
>>"Kumbayah-singing passive cowards." How in the unholy hell did you allow
>>THAT to happen?
>
> You must be completely ignorant about how laws are enacted and enforced.
Well then it looks to me like somebody got flanked. We don't want excuses,
brother, we want to know how so many iron-balled camo-clad ex-military
gun-toting good ol' American right-wing might got its belly cut out by
pacifists.
In the words of H. Simpson: "DOH!"
> The incident was in 1966. The takeover of America by the
> wimps started, AFAIK, during the 70s.
Wow, man. Thirty years to make a change--eight years of Reagan, almost
twelve years of Bush--no joy. How does THAT happen? I thought the right
wing was all about -protecting- American freedom.
'Course, I'm not sure what rights anybody thought they lost. Sounds a
little 1860 South Carolina if you ask me.
Maybe this weekend I'll go out to the woods, drive my jeep over some flowers
and small furry creatures, crack a few beers and fire my guns straight up in
the air. 'Cause I can can can. Suppressed rights my ass. (Which is my
point.)
-c
r wiley
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney dodged the draft in the late 60's
so it goes back at least that far.
rw
"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in
order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada".
George W. Bush
"I had other priorities."
Dick Cheney
r wiley
"gatt" <LiveFromTh...@gfy.com> wrote in message news:132skht...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message news:v9ul235841tee9djb...@4ax.com...
>
>> Actually...it was multiple civilians and it was a civilian that went
>> with the cop...and they both killed Whitman.
>
>
> The two officers that went up were Houston McCoy and Ramiro Martinez. Odd that they allowed a civilian to go up with them. Is
> that normal for school massacre situations? Taking civilians into a firefight with you?
>
apparently multiple civilians
Austin Police Officers Jerry Day, Houston McCoy, and Ramiro Martinez, Department
of Public Safety Officer W.A. Cowan, civilian Allen Crum and others converged on the
27th floor.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/whitman/tower_6.html
rw
Avenger
>
>
>>> The Kumbayah-singing passive cowards
>>> have taken over, and they have managed to suppress the rights of the
>>> remaining normal human beings.
>
> If that's the case, you gave up without any of the fight you promised.
> What's the point of collecting guns, organizing militias, sending money to
> the NRA and practing with your weapons if all you do is whine about
> hippies them when your rights are suppressed? What are you, France?
>
> C'mon, man. I can't believe you allowed your rights to be suppressed by
> "Kumbayah-singing passive cowards." How in the unholy hell did you allow
> THAT to happen?
>
>
>>> Sometime during the 70s. When that nut started shooting from the tower
>>> in Texas, one of the professors took out his
>> deer rifle and returned fire.
>
> That was in 1966, not the '70s. If some professor allegedly took out his
> deer rifle, he was a piss poor shot because it took two cops going to the
> top of the tower to kill him. All the allegedly armed professor
> apparently did was miss.
They all missed from down below cos Whitman was using the drainage openings
as turrets and was well protected
Avenger
>
> "Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
> news:v9ul235841tee9djb...@4ax.com...
>
>> Actually...it was multiple civilians and it was a civilian that went
>> with the cop...and they both killed Whitman.
>
>
> The two officers that went up were Houston McCoy and Ramiro Martinez. Odd
> that they allowed a civilian to go up with them. Is that normal for
> school massacre situations? Taking civilians into a firefight with you?
It was odd and the reason isn't clear why they did this. Perhaps that
civilian knew the tower better than the cops? Or knew Whitman?