Every month a man gets reminded of his sex.
Ian
in order to pay for her education, health and childcare.
Hyerdahl1
>From: dra...@hotmail.com (Ian)
>Date: 7/1/2003 1:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <d33ce629.03070...@posting.google.com>
>
>The government takes twice as much tax from him as the average woman,
>in order to pay for her education, health and childcare.
Another dweeb trying to berate women for being discriminated against when it
comes to equal pay? After all, women would pay more taxes if they made equal
money.
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grey
Then why the hell don't they get off their lazy butts and WORK??
Studies show over and over that ALL things being equal (preparation,
hours works, etc), there is NO pay gap. We've been over this point a
thousand times in this group. The fact that females earn less shows
they opt for fewer hours, less preparation, etc. See the recent
articles posted on how females are leaving the work force on top of
that, and The Observer article that found females choose less
stressful work. They're LAZY.
The end result--they live less stressful lives and so live longer, and
men end up paying huge amounts to find their social security. Men
should be able to retire years earlier to enjoy the same benefits for
the same length of time (which they paid more for) than females. So
what is it now--men get 6 years of retirement and females 15??
Get off your lazy butts for christs sake!!!
Sunny
>>Subject: Every month a man gets reminded of his sex.
>>From: dra...@hotmail.com (Ian)
>>Date: 7/1/2003 1:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: <d33ce629.03070...@posting.google.com>
>>
>>The government takes twice as much tax from him as the average woman,
>>in order to pay for her education, health and childcare.
>
>Another dweeb
bzzzzt
>trying to berate women
bzzzzzzt
>for being discriminated against
bzzzzzt
>when it
>comes to equal pay?
Is that what was said?
>After all, women would pay more taxes if they made equal
>money.
Well, when women start doing equal WORK, maybe they'll earn more.
Andy Turner
>The end result--they live less stressful lives and so live longer, and
>men end up paying huge amounts to find their social security. Men
>should be able to retire years earlier to enjoy the same benefits for
>the same length of time (which they paid more for) than females. So
>what is it now--men get 6 years of retirement and females 15??
You can retire whenever you like if you work hard enough and smart
enough to earn yourself a decent amount of money.
>Get off your lazy butts for christs sake!!!
Indeed.
andyt
Amber J
This is total bull anyway, at least in the U.S. I've never even heard
of any person being given lower taxes due to sex or race. Even Native
Americans, who often don't have to pay state taxes because they are
members of a 'sovereign nation' on state land DO have to pay Federal
Tax.
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grey
<an...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>You can retire whenever you like if you work hard enough and smart
>enough to earn yourself a decent amount of money.
I don't see a whole lot of men being able to do that these days.
theoneflasehaddock
>Message-id: <d33ce629.03070...@posting.google.com>
>
>The government takes twice as much tax from him as the average woman,
>in order to pay for her education, health and childcare.
Great. Could you post more specific information on that, please?
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theoneflasehaddock
Sue
Another rant from a guy who wants big-mamma to take care of him, so he
can stay home and watch Baretta and Barney Miller re-runs :)
Society
news:dt83gvsftkn285fmg...@4ax.com...
>
> Carol Ann Hemingway, veiled under a hyerdahl, pouted...
>>
>> Ian pointed out...
>> >
>> > The government takes twice as much tax from him
>> > as the average woman, in order to pay for her education,
>> > health and childcare.
>>
>>Another dweeb
>
> bzzzzt
Yup, Sunny, all Carol Ann has is "denigration alone".
>>trying to berate women
>
> bzzzzzzt
Uh huh, now on Planet Pargeon pointing out
women's privileges is "trying to berate women".
<laugh>
> >for being discriminated against
>
> bzzzzzt
Leftylu equates being privileged enough to have her
wants met by Other People's Money (money taken
by force of the State, btw) with "being discriminated
against". What gripes her is that the adults here
can see right through her nonsense to the fem-me-
me-me-ism that it is.
>>when it comes to equal pay?
>
> Is that what was said?
You've got her there, Sunny! Once again, Carol Ann
is reduced to squirming, lying, and deception. Tsk,
tsk. What did she call herself? Oh yeah, Carol Ann
revealed herself to be a "dweeb".
>>After all, women would pay more taxes if they
>>made equal money.
>
> Well, when women start doing equal WORK,
> maybe they'll earn more.
So true, Sunny, so true. Silly Pargeon, she's
once again revealed the grumbling misogyny that
seethes inside a true believer feminist such as
she! Pargeon takes it for granted that women
are too stupid to know which jobs pay better
and how to earn such a job.
--
Around junior year of high school, boys begin to repress
their interest in foreign languages, literature, art history,
sociology, and anthropology because they know an art history
major will make less than an engineer. Partially as a result
of his different spending expectation (the possibility he
might have to support a woman but cannot expect a woman
to support him), more than 85 percent of students who take
engineering as a college major are men; more than 80 percent
of the art history majors are women.
The difference in the earnings of the female art historian
vs. the male engineer appears to be a measure of discrimination,
when in fact both sexes knew ahead of time engineering
would pay more. In fact, the woman who enters engineering
with the same lack of experience as the man averages $571
per year _more_ than her male counterpart.
Warren Farrell, _The Myth of Male Power_;
New York: Berkley Books, 1996
page 11. [emphasis Farrell's]
Andy Turner
The only thing truly stopping you, is you. If you really believe that
other people are stopping you, then it's your belief that's stopping
you, not the reality - it's your excuse for not attempting success. If
circumstances seem to be against you, then that's merely a single
problem on the road to success - figure a way to circumvent it and
move towards that success.
When you're there, you'll look back at your days in this group and
you'll laugh and feel pity at the same time. Oh, and you won't be
"grey" either. ;-)
Good luck.
andyt
Ian
Yes. It's funny that Marilyn French never included that in any
of her books, isn't it.
Sunny
>Another rant from a guy who wants big-mamma to take care of him, so he
>can stay home and watch Baretta and Barney Miller re-runs :)
Another bitchy comment from a soul-dead female who wants the man to
pay for everything.
Sunny
Thank you, Society.
I always know when Parg is up against the ropes, because she starts
snarling about my penis.
She's for equality, all right. She is equally misandrist AND
misogynist.
Mark Sobolewski
> Leftylu equates being privileged enough to have her
> wants met by Other People's Money (money taken
> by force of the State, btw) with "being discriminated
> against". What gripes her is that the adults here
> can see right through her nonsense to the fem-me-
> me-me-ism that it is.
I would ordinarily disagree with you, but you have a point
Society. The "adults" here recognize the language and
she uses is flawed, but there are many bureaucrats who
agree with her. I believe what's she's trying to do
is act as the dutch boy plugging up holes in the dam.
If she can run around insisting that discrimination
is equality and that women enjoying protection is victimhood,
then maybe other people won't catch on too!
I think what was truly orwellian was the Guardian reporting
that men believe that positive discrimination is discrimination.
Well, where did they ever get THAT idea? :-)
When enough adults truly start exposing that the empress
has no clothes then it will all come crashing down.
That's what she's scared of.
One reason for this disparity, beyond affirmative action,
may be that young women who do go into non-traditional
fields do have to work "twice as hard for half as much" type
crap.
My response to people who quote that tired claim is
that men who enter women's fields don't have it easy
either. Despite there being a huge nursing shortage (and
the pay is great) a friend of mine who became a nurse
received no special privileges and in some cases, there
is even anti-male bias that's institutionalized for
affirmative action. In other words, if 9 of the people
in a company are white women and one is a white
male, the solution would be to fire the white male
and place a Native American woman. That's "diversity".
regards,
Mark Sobolewski
Deborah Terreson
I would think a man gets reminded of his sex every morning.
spooge
news:d33ce629.03070...@posting.google.com:
> The government takes twice as much tax from him as the average woman,
> in order to pay for her education, health and childcare.
But Ian, this goes against your claim that women pay no taxes...
Are you fessing up to being a liar?
--
Proponent and very proud architect of the January 2003 Kook of the Month
Award for soc.men. The *only* Usenet group *ever* to be so honored.
Trainer of Giant Attitude, May 2003 Weird Science Award Winner.
See the lits: http://www.petitmorte.net/phoenix/whiners.html
spammy
> dra...@hotmail.com (Ian) wrote in
> news:d33ce629.03070...@posting.google.com:
>
>>The government takes twice as much tax from him as the average woman,
>>in order to pay for her education, health and childcare.
>
> But Ian, this goes against your claim that women pay no taxes...
That would be more accurately stated "women pay no net taxes".
Women as a group are net consumers of government largesse.
Ian
Don't set him off, you'll get your car clamped.
spooge
news:HIPMa.948$YN2...@news.randori.com:
That isn't what Ian posted. He's being held accountable for his claims that
in the UK women don't pay any taxes.
--
The power alone stored in my little hand
Could melt the Eiffel Tower
Turn the Sphinx into sand
spooge
> spammy <spa...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:<HIPMa.948$YN2...@news.randori.com>...
>> spooge wrote:
>> > dra...@hotmail.com (Ian) wrote in
>> > news:d33ce629.03070...@posting.google.com:
>> >
>> >>The government takes twice as much tax from him as the average
>> >>woman, in order to pay for her education, health and childcare.
>> >
>> > But Ian, this goes against your claim that women pay no taxes...
>>
>> That would be more accurately stated "women pay no net taxes".
>> Women as a group are net consumers of government largesse.
>
> Don't set him off, you'll get your car clamped.
I'm still waiting for you to borrow some nads from a neighborhood cur and
admit that you lied, Ian.
Hanuman
I agree with you on this one, Andy T.... Happy now?
Hanuman
--
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persist in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. - George Bernard Shaw
theoneflasehaddock
> I would think a man gets reminded of his sex every morning.
Only if he can find his penis.
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thoneflasehaddock
theoneflasehaddock
> dra...@hotmail.com (Ian) wrote in
> news:d33ce629.03070...@posting.google.com:
>
> > The government takes twice as much tax from him as the average woman,
> > in order to pay for her education, health and childcare.
>
> But Ian, this goes against your claim that women pay no taxes...
>
> Are you fessing up to being a liar?
Nope. To lie, he would have to be able to actually understand that. I
think your post is still a bit too complicated for him.
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theoneflasehaddock
theoneflasehaddock
Yeah. We'd clamp your head, but it's so hard to get a clamp onto a
vacuum that we've given up.
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theoneflasehaddock
theoneflasehaddock
> spammy <spa...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> news:HIPMa.948$YN2...@news.randori.com:
>
> > spooge wrote:
> >> dra...@hotmail.com (Ian) wrote in
> >> news:d33ce629.03070...@posting.google.com:
> >>
> >>>The government takes twice as much tax from him as the average woman,
> >>>in order to pay for her education, health and childcare.
> >>
> >> But Ian, this goes against your claim that women pay no taxes...
> >
> > That would be more accurately stated "women pay no net taxes".
> > Women as a group are net consumers of government largesse.
>
> That isn't what Ian posted. He's being held accountable for his claims that
> in the UK women don't pay any taxes.
He's not being held accountable for anything, actually. Cause he's
been found mentally incompetent to stand trial on the grounds of
massive stupidity.
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theoneflasehaddock
spammy
> spammy <spa...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> news:HIPMa.948$YN2...@news.randori.com:
>
>
>>spooge wrote:
>>
>>>dra...@hotmail.com (Ian) wrote in
>>>news:d33ce629.03070...@posting.google.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The government takes twice as much tax from him as the average woman,
>>>>in order to pay for her education, health and childcare.
>>>
>>>But Ian, this goes against your claim that women pay no taxes...
>>
>>That would be more accurately stated "women pay no net taxes".
>>Women as a group are net consumers of government largesse.
>
> That isn't what Ian posted. He's being held accountable for his claims that
> in the UK women don't pay any taxes.
If you get more in government benefits than you pay in tax, saying
"you didn't pay any tax" is not an unreasonable summation of the
situation.
Deborah Terreson
----------
In article <aa0c605c.03070...@posting.google.com>,
electric...@yahoo.com (theoneflasehaddock) wrote:
You attract the needle dicks, eh?
Deb.
Ian
Wooooooo! Who rattled your cage?
> -
> theoneflasehaddock
Ian
Have you any opinions of your own. Perhaps just to prove you know
what you're talking about, you can explain spooge's blunt point?
>
> -
> theoneflasehaddock
Andy Turner
wrote:
>Andy Turner wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:16:08 -0400, grey <n...@available.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:00:53 +0100, Andy Turner
>>> <an...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can retire whenever you like if you work hard enough and smart
>>>> enough to earn yourself a decent amount of money.
>>>
>>> I don't see a whole lot of men being able to do that these days.
>>
>> The only thing truly stopping you, is you. If you really believe that
>> other people are stopping you, then it's your belief that's stopping
>> you, not the reality - it's your excuse for not attempting success. If
>> circumstances seem to be against you, then that's merely a single
>> problem on the road to success - figure a way to circumvent it and
>> move towards that success.
>>
>> When you're there, you'll look back at your days in this group and
>> you'll laugh and feel pity at the same time. Oh, and you won't be
>> "grey" either. ;-)
>>
>> Good luck.
>
>I agree with you on this one, Andy T.... Happy now?
Hey, yeah! That's cool. Glad we can agree on some things! ;-)
andyt
theoneflasehaddock
I don't think the point that you're a lying stupid imbecile needs me
to explain it. Everybody knows already except you.
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theoneflasehaddock
theoneflasehaddock
> electric...@yahoo.com (theoneflasehaddock) wrote in message news:<aa0c605c.03070...@posting.google.com>...
> > dra...@hotmail.com (Ian) wrote in message news:<d33ce629.03070...@posting.google.com>...
> > > spammy <spa...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:<HIPMa.948$YN2...@news.randori.com>...
> > > > spooge wrote:
> > > > > dra...@hotmail.com (Ian) wrote in
> > > > > news:d33ce629.03070...@posting.google.com:
> > > > >
> > > > >>The government takes twice as much tax from him as the average woman,
> > > > >>in order to pay for her education, health and childcare.
> > > > >
> > > > > But Ian, this goes against your claim that women pay no taxes...
> > > >
> > > > That would be more accurately stated "women pay no net taxes".
> > > > Women as a group are net consumers of government largesse.
> > >
> > > Don't set him off, you'll get your car clamped.
> >
> > Yeah. We'd clamp your head, but it's so hard to get a clamp onto a
> > vacuum that we've given up.
> >
>
> Wooooooo! Who rattled your cage?
>
I hate to have to tell you this, but, the trolls here aren't in cages.
That would just be you that's in one...
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theoneflasehaddock
theoneflasehaddock
No, but if you pay more in taxes that you get in benefits, then it
simply isn't true.
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theoneflasehaddock
theoneflasehaddock
Yeah. I've attracted too many of them. I wonder how many of them post
to these newsgroups?
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theoneflasehaddock
Ian
You missed the full stop, and "the" of "the point" needs a capital "T".
Don't they teach you thickos anything at school these days?
>
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> theoneflasehaddock
Ian
Ooooooh! Are you Sharon B? Your arguments betray a similar lack of
coherence.
>
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> theoneflasehaddock
TNQSO
"theoneflasehaddock" <electric...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > Yeah.
I've attracted too many of them. I wonder how many of them post
> to these newsgroups?
Well, judging by the ones who just can't stand women but aren't actually
gay.....
> theoneflasehaddock
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> theoneflasehaddock
spooge
news:aa0c605c.03070...@posting.google.com:
Hmm... I can't really argue against that.
spooge
news:pPgOa.6270$PI5....@news.randori.com:
I'd suggest you go back and look at what Ian claimed. he claimed that women
in the UK were rewfunded all of the taxes they pay, plus. Nothing about
government benefits, it was cash money he was talking about.
Ian
>
> I'd suggest you go back and look at what Ian claimed. he claimed that women
> in the UK were rewfunded all of the taxes they pay, plus. Nothing about
> government benefits, it was cash money he was talking about.
Wah wah wah! Didn't you clamp many cars today?
Here's something to cheer you up.
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/detail.asp?ID=39260&GRP=B
theoneflasehaddock
OOOOh! Are you getting spanked? Your arguments betray stupidity in a
jar, with the top screwed on wrong and it leaking out all over the
place.
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theoneflasehaddock
theoneflasehaddock
Unfortunately, they didn't teach people how to act dumb enough to lose
an argument to a complete fuckup like you.
Jon Hedge
"theoneflasehaddock" <oneflas...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:bfb35e68.03071...@posting.google.com...
Tea, coffee anyone?
~jon
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Maka
> >>You can retire whenever you like if you work hard enough and smart
> >>enough to earn yourself a decent amount of money.
> >
> >I don't see a whole lot of men being able to do that these days.
>
> The only thing truly stopping you, is you. If you really believe that
> other people are stopping you, then it's your belief that's stopping
> you, not the reality - it's your excuse for not attempting success.
No matter how hard I work, I cannot get Social Security any sooner.
> andyt
-Maka
Angilion
It's surprising how many women are obsessed with penis size. Quite
pathetic, really. It's almost enough to make me wonder if Freud was
right with his penis envy blathering.
Angilion
> hyer...@aol.com (Hyerdahl1) wrote in message news:<20030701102631...@mb-m02.aol.com>...
> > >Subject: Every month a man gets reminded of his sex.
> > >From: dra...@hotmail.com (Ian)
> > >Date: 7/1/2003 1:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
> > >Message-id: <d33ce629.03070...@posting.google.com>
> > >
> > >The government takes twice as much tax from him as the average woman,
> > >in order to pay for her education, health and childcare.
> >
> > comes to equal pay? After all, women would pay more taxes if they made equal
> > money.
>
> This is total bull anyway, at least in the U.S. I've never even heard
> of any person being given lower taxes due to sex or race.
He's averaging. Take the total tax paid by men, divide by the number
of men, ditto for women, compare the results. I would say it's the
same method used by the "women earn <insert whatever number you want here>
percent of what men earn" people, but they just make figures up. Yes, I
do mean that. Here in the UK, they got a figure of 90% from the actual
data (it didn't take into account what work was being done), which they
didn't like, so they made up a figure of 74%. Completely fictional, as
anyone who reads the full report can tell. They knew it didn't matter - as
long as they had a figure which supported the prevailing sexism (men are Bad
and men are Privileged, so any discrimination against them is Good), the figure
would be believed without any checking at all. Which is what happened and
continues to happen.
Parg's reply is the usual drivel, of course, because it ignores things
like choices, non-taxable income, etc.
Here in the UK, the bulk of "free" (i.e. taken from other people) money is
given to women. It is, of course, unearned and non-taxable, so people ignore
it when talking about "pay". "pay" is irrelevant to anything. "take-home
income" is what matters. If you were given an extra US$100 a week, for example,
untaxable, would it be worthless because you didn't earn it from your job? Or,
to look at it another way, if you had a pay rise of $1000 a week at the same
time as the introduction of a new tax of $1000 a week that you had to pay, would
you be $1000 a week better off?
Option One: Hardly ever see your children awake, work 40 hours a week plus
travel time, have very little free time, have a take-home income of X.
Option Two: Spend a lot of time with your children, work 12 hours a week plus
travel time, have significant free time, have a take-home income of X.
It's hardly surprising that many people who have the choice take option two.
[..]
spooge
Okay, let's try this again: The point that you're a lying stupid imbecile
doesn't need explaining.
You apparently agree.
Now that's some very refreshing honesty.
> Don't they teach you thickos anything at school these days?
Do you always make it this easy to laugh at you?
spooge
news:d33ce629.03071...@posting.google.com:
> spooge <spo...@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
> news:<Xns93B4B51F3F...@petitmorte.net>...
>
>>
>> I'd suggest you go back and look at what Ian claimed. he claimed that
>> women in the UK were rewfunded all of the taxes they pay, plus.
>> Nothing about government benefits, it was cash money he was talking
>> about.
>
> Wah wah wah! Didn't you clamp many cars today?
Why are you crying, and what are you talking about, Iandiot?
> Here's something to cheer you up.
You're the one going "wah wah wah", Ian.
> http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/detail.asp?ID=39260&GRP=B
What does this have to do with me, Ian?