And NOT a FEMINIST or WOMAN among them!!
MCP
Date Invention Or Discovery Inventor Or Discoverer
1250 Magnifying glass Roger Bacon
1668 Reflecting telescope Isaac Newton
1698 Steam pump Thomas Savery
1701 Seed drill Jethro Tull
1712 Steam engine Thomas Newcomen
1717 Diving bell Edmund Halley
1725 Stereotyping William Ged
1758 Achromatic lens John Dollond
1759 Marine chronometer John Harrison
1764 Spinning jenny James Hargreaves
1769 Spinning frame R. Arkwright
1769 Steam engine (with separate condenser) James Watt
1780 Steel pen Samuel Harrison
1784 Threshing machine Andrew Meikle
1785 Power loom Edmund Cartwright
1788 Flyball governor James Watt
1791 Gas turbine John Barber
1792 Illuminating gas William Murdock
1795 Hydraulic press Joseph Bramah
1796 Smallpox vaccination Edward Jenner
1804 Solid-fuel rocket William Congreve
1804 Steam locomotive Richard Trevithick
1814 Railroad locomotive George Stephenson
1815 Safety lamp Sir Humphry Davy
1820's Difference Engine (Computer) Charles Babbage
1820 Hygrometer J.F. Daniell
1821 Electric motor Michael Faraday
1823 Electromagnet William Sturgeon
1824 Portland cement Joseph Aspdin
1827 Friction match John Walker
1831 Dynamo Michael Faraday
1837 Telegraph Sir Charles Wheatstone
1839 Photography William Henry Fox Talbot
1839 Steam hammer James Nasmyth
1839 Bicycle (with pedals) Kirkpatrick MacMillan
1850 Mercerized cotton John Mercer
1855 Hypodermic syringe Alexander Wood
1856 Bessemer converter (steel) Sir Henry Bessemer
1861 Electric furnace Wilhelm Siemens
1865 Antiseptic surgery Joseph Lister
1876 Telephone Alexander Graham Bell
1878 Cathode ray tube Sir William Crookes
1879 Incandescent filament lamp Sir Joseph Wilson Swan
1884 Steam turbine Sir Charles Algernon Parsons
1884 Multiple-wheel steam turbine Sir Charles Algernon Parsons
1887 Air-inflated rubber tire J.B. Dunlop
1891 Motion picture camera (kinetograph) William K. L. Dickson
1891 Motion picture viewer (kinetoscope) William K. L. Dickson
1891 Synthetic rubber Sir William Augustus Tilden
1892 Rayon (viscose) Charles Frederick Cross
1892 Vacuum bottle (Dewar flask) Sir James Dewar
1895 Rayon (acetate) Charles Frederick Cross
1905 Diode rectifier tube (radio) Sir John Ambrose Fleming
1908 Two-color motion picture camera C. Albert Smith
1919 Mass spectrograph Sir Francis William Aston
1926 Television John Logie Baird
1928 Penicillin Sir Alexander Fleming
1930 Modern gas-turbine engine Sir Frank Whittle
1935 Radiolocator (radar) Sir Robert Watson-Watt
1941 Turbojet aircraft engine Sir Frank Whittle
1947 Holography Dennis Gabon
1956 Hovercraft Christopher Cockerell
1975 CAT (computerized axial tomography) scanner Godfrey N. Hounsfield
1996 Clockwork Radio Trevor Baylis
Ejector Seat Sir James Martin
Anaesthetics
James Simpson, an Edinburgh physician, was the first doctor to use anaesthetics to relieve the pain of surgery in the mid 19th
Century. His main objective at the beginning was to alleviate the pain that women felt in childbirth. There was strong opposition
to this idea from the Church, because the Old Testament claims that God's punishment to women for the sins of Eve was that they
should bring forth children in pain. Fortunately for women everywhere, Simpson won this argument. I despise the recent trend in
the USA for impressionable pregnant women to refuse any painkillers during delivery. Their fear of harming the baby with the
drugs often means a longer birth and more trauma to the baby than a quick painless birth.
Antisepsis
Joseph Lister, Professor of surgery at Glasgow University, was the first to realize that the high post-operative mortality of his
patients was due to the onset of bloodpoisoning (sepsis) caused by micro-organisms. Operating theatres were not the pristine
places they are today. In the early 19th century, they were awash with blood and amputated body parts. In 1865 Lister found that
carbolic acid was an effective antiseptic.
Artificial Diamonds
In the mid 19th Century, a Scottish scientist managed to produce some tiny artificial diamonds by a secret process that has never
been duplicated.
Agricultural Reaping Machine
Patrick Bell won the prize from the Highland and Agricultural Society in 1790 for a reaping machine - long before the better known
machine of Cyrus McCormick patented in 1834.
Bakelite/Damard
The inventor and electrical engineer, Sir James Swinburne, patented many ideas and inventions including improvements to electric
lamps and dynamos. He was beaten to the patent office by only one day by Baekeland for Bakelite the thermosetting resin that
founded the modern plastics industry. Swinburne had discovered this material independently but did not profit from his discovery.
He did patent another synthetic lacquer, Damard.
Latent Heat
Joseph Black (1728 - 1799) Chemist. Professor of Anatomy and Chemistry in Glasgow University (1756) and then Professor of Medicine
and Chemistry in Edinburgh (1766). Developed the concept of "Latent Heat" and discovered Carbon Dioxide ("Fixed Air"). Regarded as
the Father of Quantitative Chemistry.
Brownian Movement
Botanist Robert Brown observed small specks of pollen suspended in a liquid were continually dancing around in a haphazard way. He
correctly surmised that they were being pushed around by the molecules of the liquid which were themselves too tiny to see. In
time his discovery contributed to the development of the Quantum Theory.
Buicks
Buick is the brand name stamped on over 25 million cars in the USA. This car is the named after David Dunbar Buick, a Scot who
immigrated to the U.S. in 1856. Buick started out as a plumber at age 15, and is credited with developing a method for bonding
enamel to cast iron; a process responsible for our blue bathtubs and pink sinks. But David's passion was the internal combustion
engine. In 1899, in the city of Detroit, he formed the Buick Auto-Vim and Power Company, manufacturer of gasoline engines. David
also patented a carburetor and designed an automobile, but business debts and failed investments prevented him from realizing
profits from his inventions. He died, impoverished, in 1929. But General Motors saluted his inventiveness in 1937 when it adopted
the Buick name and family crest for its new line of cars.
Pneumatic Tyres
John Boyd Dunlop patented his pneumatic tyre in 1888. He was a vetinary surgeon, but his interest in inventions led him to develop
the tyres for his son's bicycle. He lived long enough to see his invention become the foundation for a huge industry around the
world.
Chemical Bonds
Alexander Crum Brown (1838 - 1922) was born in Edinburgh. After studying in London and Leipzig, he returned to the University of
Edinburgh in 1863. He held the chair of Chemistry, which now bears his name, until his death. He devised the system of
representing chemical compounds in diagrammatic form, with connecting lines representing bonds.
Decimal Point
The notation we use today first appeared in a book called "Descriptio" by the Edinburgh mathematician, John Napier, Laird of
Merchiston, in the 1616. He used a decimal point to separate the whole number part from the decimal number part. Known as
'Marvellous Merchiston", he published many other treatises including "Mirifici logarithmorum" (1614) and Rabdologia (1615) on
systems of arithmetic using calculation aids known as Napiers Bones. Other achievements include his revolutionary methods for
tilling and fertilising soil. To defend the country against Philip of Spain he came up with a number of "Secret Inventions"
including the round chariot with firepower but offering protection (the tank); an underwater ship (the submarine); an artillery
piece which would mow down a field of soldiers (the machine gun). Biographical details of John Napier
Fax Machines
Invented by a blacksmith in Dumfries in the early 19th Century. This was not the same electronic process used today, but was a
functional technique. Some years later, Napoleon used a similar process to send messages to his commanders all over France.
Flailing machines
The first successful machine to replace the primitive hand flail for husking grain was invented by millwright Andrew Meikle in
1784. His machine consisted of a drum into which the grain was fed, which rotated inside a curved metal sheet with very small
clearance. The husks were rubbed off the grain. the
Iron Bridges
Engineer Thomas Telford is famous for building more than 1200 bridges, many of them using cast iron. Other major achievements of
his include the Caledonian Canal, the Menai suspension bridge, and the London to Holyhead road. As a road builder he ranked second
only to McAdam. Telford founded the Institute of Civil Engineers.
The Kelvin scale of temperature
Named after the scientist, Lord Kelvin (William Thomson), professor at Glasgow University, who was a pioneer in the field of
thermodynamics.
Percussion Powder
Presbyterian minister Alexander Forsyth invented this in 1809. Within a few years the flintlock, always susceptible to damp, was
obsolete. It was replaced by a weather-proof hammer action, the cap resting on the crown of a nipple which contained the
flash-hole.
Logarithms
Natural logarithms were invented by the Edinburgh mathematician, John Napier, Laird of Merchiston, in the late 1500s. He published
many treatises including "Mirifici logarithmorum" (1614) and Rabdologia (1615) on systems of arithmetic using calculation aids
known as Napiers Bones.
Maxwell's Equations in Electromagnetism
Nobel prize winning physicist Richard Feynnman said that a thousand years from now the 1860s will be remembered not for the
American Civil War which will be a mere footnote in history, but for Maxwell's mathematical description of electromagnetism. James
Clerk Maxwell(1831 - 79), who was known as "daftie" Maxwell as a schoolboy at the Edinburgh Academy, became a professor of physics
by the age of 21. He created the electromagnetic theory of light, and interpreted Faraday's electromagnetic field mathematically.
He correctly predicted the existence of radio waves later confirmed experimentally by Hertz. Maxwell made important contributions
to the study of heat and the kinetic theory of gases.
"As a creative and imaginative genius, he ranks with Newton and Einstein" ...Trevor Williams wrote in his book The History of
Invention.
Mackintosh Raincoats
Since the rainiest spot in Europe is found in the Scottish highlands, it is not surprising that this technique for waterproofing
clothing was developed there.
Macadamised roads
John Loudon McAdam devised the macadamized road in which the underlying soil is protected by a light protective layer that is
waterproof and cambered to divert rainwater to the sides. the
Microwave Ovens
Microwave ovens were a direct offshoot of the development of the magnetron in 1940. The magnetron is a device that produces
electromagnetic radiation with a wavelength of about 5 inches. Its first application was in radar. The American science fiction
writer, Robert Heinlein, author of the novel "Starship Troopers" amongst many others, was the first civilian to use a microwave
oven.
Penicillin
Discovered in 1928 by the bacteriologist . Sir Alexander Fleming. This drug has saved more lives than the number lost in all the
wars of history.
Paraffin
James Young was a chemist who made his fortune as the first to market paraffin as a lighting and heating oil.
Hollow-pipe drainage
Sir Hugh Dalrymple (Lord Drummore) (1700 - 1753) Invented hollow-pipe drainage. This innovation allowed the drying of water-logged
land, bringing large areas into agricultural production.
Radar Defense System
Physicist, Sir Robert Watson-Watt, was the mind behind the radar network on the coast of England that detected incoming German
aircraft in World War II. He had worked on the radio detection of thunderstorms (hazardous to aviators) during World War I. In
1935 he proposed a method for locating aircraft by a radio-pulse technique. The radar system was invaluable to the defense of
Britain during the Battle of Britain in 1940. It operated day and night over a range of 40 miles, giving the Royal Air Force
information about the height and bearing of German planes.
Refrigerators
James Harrison, who emigrated to Australia from Scotland, invented a cooling system for a brewery in Bendigo, in 1851. He had
noticed that ether had a cooling effect on metals, and so he pumped it through pipes. As the ether evaporated it took heat from
its surroundings to provide the latent heat of evaporation. His idea was used in the first refrigerated ship, the SS Strathleven,
which carried a cargo of meat from Australia to England, a voyage of several months, in 1876. Refrigeration was a major force in
the economic development of both Australia and New Zealand.
Quinine
George Cleghorn (1716 - 1794) was the army surgeon who discovered that quinine bark acted as a cure for Malaria.
The Steam Engine
Invented by James Watt, instrumental in powering the Industrial Revolution in the Eighteenth Century. His engine was not mobile,
but was fixed in position. Soon it was being built and used in mining, to pull coal carts up to the pithead. Mine manager, John
Blenkinsop, put one of these steam boilers on wheels so that it could carry the coal further. This came to the attention of George
Stephenson who was also a mining engineer. Stephenson took the idea a stage further with his invention of the steam locomotive.
The Steam-hammer
Invented by the engineer and manufacturer of steam engines and machine tools, James Nasmyth, in 1839. The steam-hammer made it
possible to forge much larger items than before.
The Stereotype
Until the invention of the stereotype in 1727 printing type had to be reset if a second printing was to be made. It was not
economic to keep the type standing for prolonged periods of time. William Ged, a goldsmith in Edinburgh, took a plaster mould of
the type and then cast the whole page in metal.
Sulphuric Acid
John Roebuck of Prestonpans, near Edinburgh, invented the lead chamber process for the distillation of sulphuric acid. Sulphuric
acid is of central importance in the manufacture of many other chemicals and in metal refining.
The telephone
Alexander Graham Bell was born in Edinburgh and lived there until his family emigrated to Canada when he was 18. He patented the
telephone in 1876 and now there are more than 500 million of them spanning the globe. He revolutionized world communications.
Thermos bottles (Dewars)
Sir James Dewar (1842 - 1923) invented the dewar flask to keep liquids cool in the laboratory. The idea became the domestic
thermos flask, which keeps hot liquids hot as well as cold things cold by isolating them from their surroundings, thus reducing
the flow of heat. His scientific career was noted for his pioneer work on low temperature physics and vacuum techniques. He was
the first to liquify hydrogen.
The telegraph
The Scots Magazine first published the concept for the telegraph in 1753. An anonymous contributor suggested that words could be
spelled out along a 26 wire system activated by static electricity. The receiver had twenty six pith balls, each with a different
letter of the alphabet. The pith balls would be attracted to their corresponding charged wires when the wires were activated with
static electricity. The state of technology was not up to the task until Volta invented the electric battery in 1800, however.
Television
A photo-mechanical device invented by John Logie Baird in 1922. He set up the first practical television system in the world in
1929, in Britain. In 1935 Baird worked with the German company, Fernseh, to start the world's first 3-day per week television
service.
In 1908, another Scot, Alan Campbell-Swinton, outlined the use of the cathode-ray tube for transmission and reception that is used
in modern television. This method replaced Baird's in the 1930's.
Tubular steel
Sir William Fairbairn (1789 - 1874) was born in Kelso, in southern Scotland. An engineer, he developed the idea of using tubular
steel, which was much stronger than solid steel, as a construction material.
Breech-loading rifle
Patrick Ferguson (1744 - 1780) Born in Pitfour, Aberdeenshire, Ferguson invented the breech-loading rifle, which was capable of
firing seven shots per minute. With the help of this weapon, the Americans were defeated at the Battle of Brandywine (1777). He
was killed at the Battle of King's Mountain in South Carolina, USA.
Paleobiology
Around 1815 William Nicol (lecturer of natural philosophy at the University of Edinburgh) had used Canada balsam to cement pieces
of fossil wood or minerals onto a glass plate and then ground the sample down to slices so fine you could see through them with a
microscope and discover all kinds of good stuff--like bubbles in crystals, which told you something of the way the minerals had
been formed, or the cell patterns that showed what kind of plant the sample had come from. Prior to this, paleobotany (... the
morphology of fossil plants) was a subject virtually untouched, except for some earlier research by another Scotsman."
Polarization of Light
In 1828, William Nicol discovered polarization of light (the effect that makes polarized sunglasses useful). He stuck two bits of
an Iceland spar crystal together and invented the Nicol prism. Iceland spar splits a beam of light into two polarized rays, with
the transverse electromagnetic waves vibrating in orthogonal directions in the two beams. If two Nicol prisms were used, when the
second one was rotated, one of the polarized light rays coming through would dim and then cut off once it had rotated through 90
degrees.
The Cloud Chamber
was invented by Charles Thomson Rees Wilson (1869 - 1959) an eminent Edinburgh scientist. After observing optical atmospheric
phenomena in the Highlands, he realized that condensation trails could be used to track and detect atomic and subatomic particles.
The cloud chamber became an indispensible detection device in nuclear physics, and therefore he was awarded the Nobel Prize in
1927. In addition to his research on atomic physics, Wilson studied atmospheric phenomena all his life and his work on the
electrical behaviour of the atmosphere is the basis of our understanding of what is involved in thunderstorms.
----and on and on and on!
--
Men are everywhere that matters!
conn...@hotmail.com
MCP wrote:
> http://www.fatbadgers.co.uk/Britain/inventors.htm
>
Convicted feminist felons would say "women couldnt get degrees back in
those days so they couldnt invent".
HOGWASH. A dirty garage and an active mind, thats all it takes to
invent.
Just ask the guys!
Aggy
"MCP" <gf010...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bp4Ce.157140$Vj3....@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> http://www.fatbadgers.co.uk/Britain/inventors.htm
>
Those are the people credited for it. It doesn't mean they actully invented
it, dear.
Aggy
conn...@hotmail.com
Sure they did alongside a few women, one of whom almost cracked the DNA
sequence back in the 1950's.
Patriarchy never denied women a shot in IT as these women proved!
MCP
"Aggy" <fake@slashdevslashnul> wrote in message news:dbarho$f9s$0...@pita.alt.net...
conn...@hotmail.com
> >
> NOW! AGGY BAGGY,read my lips = YOU CAN NOT change HIStory !!!
HAHAH! Cunts want to re-write history according to their feminist
church teachings.
What next? It was women who stormed the Normandy beaches, it was women
who we owe all the credit for every man made object ever created!!!!
Aggy
<conn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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what it costs in the us or rest of the world but in Britain it can cost
between 3 and 5 grand. That's enough to put a lot of would be inventors off
the idea.
Aggy
Aggy
way of documentation, dear.
Aggy
jerkyboy
<jenni...@txpines.net> wrote:
>I noticed that he accidentally forgot to mention Madam Marie Curie who
>won the 1911 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for the discovery of radium.
>
>Or:
>Emily Noether
>Rachel Carson
>Sybilla Masters
>Williamina Paton Stevens Fleming
>Gertrude B. Elion
>Among others
>
>Finally here are two women, who illustrate what happen to many women
>who didn't know their place.
>
>Aglaonike
>5th century B.C.
>Greece-astronomer
>Aglaonike was a Greek astronomer during the 5th century B.C. She had
>the ability to accurately predict the times and locations of lunar
>eclipses. From this knowledge, Aglaonike is considered to be one of the
>first woman astronomers. Because of her gender, her skills were
>attributed to sorcery, rather than scientific ability. People of her
>time thought that she was a witch and could control others with fear
>and "magic".
>
>Rosalind Elsie Franklin
>1920-1957
>England-molecular biologist
>She shared her research with James Watson and Francis Crick who later
>discovered the structure of DNA and won the Nobel Prize for it.
>Although this discovery was due in part to her work she never received
>any of the credit.
>
>Guys, I won't argue that men discovered and invented most of the
>things we have. However, let's be fair and give credit where credit
>is due. In spite of the limitations society imposed upon them, women
>did do thighs other than rear children and feed their men.
Jenny, I dont think that is the issue, at least not really. Its that
men are tired of being told we are responsible for all the ills of the
world, and KEPT women from doing anything, or inventing, or any of
that nonsense when it was not true...not really. Men were just as
downtroden as women through the ages. Few men in comparison went to
college. Many of the inventions over the years were made by men, not
in some big company research lab, but in carraige houses, garages,
backyard sheds, etc by men without degrees or in many cases, without
much education at all. Yes, there were women who did invent some, but
these were small in number compared to men. Yes, give credit to them,
I nor other men have no objection to that but to give equal weight as
if women invented half or more than half of what we have is nonsense.
That is what men are starting to object to, more and more. Not that
we are against giving women credit for what they have done, but giving
them equal credit in what MEN have done as well as credit for what
they have done as women. That is what is happening today and for
years due to political correctness and feminism. Men cannot be given
credit for anything anymore without including women....whether or not
women actually contributed or not in any major way, or even in a minor
way. Just as on 911, it was MEN firemen who died in those buildings,
yet at any ceremony honoring those men, you see equal numbers of women
being honored as if they also died in equal numbers. Women and men
died in those buildings but it was only men rescuers who died inside.
You say lets me fair and give credit where credit is due. Men dont
have a problem with that. But how about men being given credit or
having their OWN space even or club or organization without being
FORCED to include women or women being given credit where credit ISNT
due. THAT is what has many men upset today.
I cannot even go to a MEN"S only gym anymore. I cannot even
associate by choice with only men in any kind of organization or club
today. But women can. That is equality according to women.
JB
>
>Jenny
Aggy
"Jennifer Ann" <jenni...@txpines.net> wrote in message
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It's not his fault, dear. I didn't see those names on the web page, less he
wrote it. :)
Aggy
>
mathewsantifeminism
news:05aid1hh2c0greuo3...@4ax.com...
well said to both Jenny & JerkyBoy, you both hit the nail on the head in my
eyes.
I remember hearing often that the knitting needle was invented by a woman,
which I figured was no shock at all being as it's generally women who knit.
What did take me by surprise was finding out that knitting was indeed
invented by men; sailors at sea would knit to pass boredom on long treks and
make jumpers out of them to keep them warm. I learned a woman invented the
needle at roughly the age of 4 or 5. I learned that men invented knitting at
the age of 27. And the only reason I got to hear about it was because I was
explaining to a friend that feminism tries to take credit for science and
men's innovations of which feminism had zero input to. the person I talked
with was -although by no means a feminist nor anti-feminist - agreed with
the facts I presented and then, only then did I learn this persons
knowledge. It occurred to me how odd it was that when a woman does something
everyone hoohaas and makes a big fuss about it. when a man invents something
as mundane as a knitting needle, no one bats an eyelid.
Of course, we're not ever told this by anyone who happens to mention that
knitting needles were the invention of a woman, it's like it's some sort of
evil or wrong doing to even consider mentioning it.
That is the kind of point JerkyBoy is making (I think): If a woman is
involved, we simply must give praise and ignore the men involved.
I guess my kind of analogy for it is the landing on the moon. We all know
there were many men and women involved at NASA that made it possible, right?
But we know the name of the first man who landed. Neil Armstrong.
We know Yuri Gagarin's name too because he is the first man in space AND
to orbit the whole planet. We know he didn't do it alone, but he made the
leap that others were not willing to.
Surely we're not going to begin naming the entire flight-crew, technicians,
researchers, maintenance crew, cleaners, etc for the sake of equality?
Imagine the soviet union, all those statues of Yuri will have to be replaced
with multiple statues of all those involved, a plaque for all those hundreds
of names.
--
http://antifeminism.mathews.me.uk
it takes a man to tolerate feminism.
Hyerdahl
jerkyboy wrote:
(edit)
> Jenny, I dont think that is the issue, at least not really. Its that
> men are tired of being told we are responsible for all the ills of the
> world, and KEPT women from doing anything, or inventing, or any of
> that nonsense when it was not true...not really.
Actually, it is men still who want all the credit for everything, and
still wish to control women thru law and intimidation. Women have just
said 'no'.
Men were just as downtroden as women through the ages. Few men in
comparison went to> college.
Men were NEVER excluded from college based on their sex.
Many of the inventions over the years were made by men, not
> in some big company research lab, but in carraige houses, garages,
> backyard sheds, etc by men without degrees or in many cases, without
> much education at all.
And, many inventions cocreated by women were credited to men whether in
kitchens, backyard sheds, garages, etc.
Yes, there were women who did invent some, but> these were small in
number compared to men.
Yesteryear, before women had access to birth control, many women had
many children, and all their efforts were, of necessity, geared to the
family.
Today, that has changed. But lets face facts here, those women
sacrificed every bit as much as those men who had more time to invent.
And no one was interested in keeping men out because they were men.
Yes, give credit to them,> I nor other men have no objection to that
but to give equal weight as> if women invented half or more than half
of what we have is nonsense.
Women are inventing today, on a more equal basis; women are not
interested in celebrating men for their contributions that served to
keep women down in the process. So, we celebrate both sexes today and
ALL their accomplishments, which seems much more fair to me.
> That is what men are starting to object to, more and more. Not that
> we are against giving women credit for what they have done, but giving
> them equal credit in what MEN have done as well as credit for what
> they have done as women.
???? We, as a society are not interested in taking anything away from
men in what they have accomplished. However, what we are doing, as
feminists, is making sure we add what women have accomplished.
Obviously, we can't go back and force those male inventors who had the
partnerships of wives to add them to the mix. They're all dead now.
But what we can do is to make sure history records the FACT that men
denied women entry into organizations so that women could NOT
contribute.
That is what is happening today and for> years due to political
correctness and feminism.
Well, bitter boys can no longer get away with pretending that they are
better than women. Women can confront every point they try to make
with valid points of their own, and bitter boys don't like to share.
Men cannot be given> credit for anything anymore without including
women....whether or not women actually contributed or not in any major
way, or even in a minor way.
That's because for every pioneer man who built a log cabin, there was
at least one wife (and usually two or three) to bear him sons. :-)
It's very hard to lift log poles when you're laying in bed dying of
complications of pregnancy.
And, guess what? Women are not buying the snake oil of male supremacy
these days. They counter it.
Just as on 911, it was MEN firemen who died in those buildings,
> yet at any ceremony honoring those men, you see equal numbers of women
> being honored as if they also died in equal numbers.
It's hard to be involved when you are discriminated against in the
hiring; from what I recall, there were only 2 female firefighters on
duty that day.
We don't blame women for the kind of discrimination that prevents them
from being firefighters by further denying them a voice.
Women and men died in those buildings but it was only men rescuers
who died inside.
If only men work for the fire dept. what would you expect? Spontaneous
generation of women heroes? :-)
>
> You say lets me fair and give credit where credit is due. Men dont
> have a problem with that. But how about men being given credit or
> having their OWN space even or club or organization without being
> FORCED to include women or women being given credit where credit ISNT
> due. THAT is what has many men upset today.
Men who are "upset" today are insecure men, insecure about their place
in the scheme of things. They have come to the conclusion that women
are doing everything men are doing PLUS gestating and they seem to feel
that having their own "space" will save them. But it won't. What
saves men is figuring out that they don't need to identify with some
archaic male ideology in order to have self importance. Secure men
already know this. They don't NEED their own space because they ARE
their own space. They fill it.
>
> I cannot even go to a MEN"S only gym anymore. I cannot even
> associate by choice with only men in any kind of organization or club
> today. But women can. That is equality according to women.
There are men only gyms...even right here in my small community. IN
fact, we have a men's gym, a women's gym and a family gym (secure
couples often like to work out together.)
>
> JB
>
> >
> >Jenny
Jennifer Ann
jerkyboy wrote:
> On 16 Jul 2005 07:44:04 -0700, "Jennifer Ann"
<sniped>
> >
> >Guys, I won't argue that men discovered and invented most of the
> >things we have. However, let's be fair and give credit where credit
> >is due. In spite of the limitations society imposed upon them, women
> >did do thighs other than rear children and feed their men.
>
> Jenny, I dont think that is the issue, at least not really. Its that
> men are tired of being told we are responsible for all the ills of the
> world, and KEPT women from doing anything, or inventing, or any of
> that nonsense when it was not true...not really. Men were just as
> downtroden as women through the ages. <snip>
Hi JB! :) You bring up some good points. If men want all the credit
for inventing every thing and discovering every thing, should they not
also accept responsibility as to how the world has turned out? You are
not the first person in this user group to mention how most men were
downtrodden and used by others.
By whom were they used and kept downtrodden? Women? No, the women
were too busy giving birth and rearing the children. Other men, more
powerful men used them? That is the answer I have seen more than once
in here.
However, these were still men. So, even though you and your buddy
didn't control women, men as a gender did. To claim as the OP
inferred with his title that men did all these wonderful things and
built all these wonderful building and devices to ease labor, as others
have told me and not be willing to accept responsibility for the
failures is disingenuous and a bit hypocritical.
I keep hearing it is the feminists fault. However, if my understanding
of history is correct, the world has had problems a lot longer than the
introduction of feminism.
So, if feminism has only been around for say 50 years and men didn't
screw up the world, who or what did? Entropy? God? Where lies the
responsibility?
>
> That is what men are starting to object to, more and more. Not that
> we are against giving women credit for what they have done, but giving
> them equal credit in what MEN have done as well as credit for what
> they have done as women. That is what is happening today and for
> years due to political correctness and feminism. Men cannot be given
> credit for anything anymore without including women....whether or not
> women actually contributed or not in any major way, or even in a minor
> way. Just as on 911, it was MEN firemen who died in those buildings,
> yet at any ceremony honoring those men, you see equal numbers of women
> being honored as if they also died in equal numbers. Women and men
> died in those buildings but it was only men rescuers who died inside.
Didn't some coach once say? "They who sat on the bench also served."
There are stories of many a woman who worked along side her husband
helping him. Because women weren't considered capable of
understanding science or inventing things (still considered Gospel by
some in here) it was the man who received the credit for the discovery
or invention. This is like your story of the knitting needles.
If a woman did help and contributed to the end result, even if that
contribution was only keeping THEIR crying babies away so he could
think, should her contribution not be acknowledged? The credits of a
movie mentioned everyone who contributed to the movie not, just the
actors. Why should men have so much trouble acknowledging everyone's
contribution?
>
> You say lets me fair and give credit where credit is due. Men dont
> have a problem with that. But how about men being given credit or
> having their OWN space even or club or organization without being
> FORCED to include women or women being given credit where credit ISNT
> due. THAT is what has many men upset today.
>
> I cannot even go to a MEN"S only gym anymore. I cannot even
> associate by choice with only men in any kind of organization or club
> today. But women can. That is equality according to women.
>
I can't answer that question. I don't know the facts. Hyerdahl seems
to think otherwise. I don't know. If what you say is true then I
think it seems wrong. However, I don't know what the law really says.
Jenny
GL Fowler
<jenni...@txpines.net> wrote:
Women, the hand that rocks the cradle....
Hey it works as well as anything else I've seen here. No doubt will
rankle egos here but...
"The best proof of intelligent life in space is that it hasn't come here."
- Sir Arthur C. Clarke
Jennifer Ann
GL Fowler wrote:
> On 16 Jul 2005 17:16:23 -0700, "Jennifer Ann"
> <jenni...@txpines.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> Women, the hand that rocks the cradle....
> Hey it works as well as anything else I've seen here. No doubt will
> rankle egos here but...
>
>
>
>
> "The best proof of intelligent life in space is that it hasn't come here."
> - Sir Arthur C. Clarke
So GL, you are saying, if I understand you correctly, that women have
caused the world's problems from the moment of birth, or shortly
thereafter? If so, how?
Jenny
conn...@hotmail.com
Jennifer Ann wrote:
>
> So GL, you are saying, if I understand you correctly, that women have
> caused the world's problems from the moment of birth, or shortly
> thereafter? If so, how?
>
How because mooma's dress their girls in protect me pink, boys in
non-protect me pink and that results in boys lives being expendable for
girls lives.
In an equal society that should not be so... sexist.
jerkyboy
<jenni...@txpines.net> wrote:
>
>
>jerkyboy wrote:
>> On 16 Jul 2005 07:44:04 -0700, "Jennifer Ann"
><sniped>
>> >
>> >Guys, I won't argue that men discovered and invented most of the
>> >things we have. However, let's be fair and give credit where credit
>> >is due. In spite of the limitations society imposed upon them, women
>> >did do thighs other than rear children and feed their men.
>>
>> Jenny, I dont think that is the issue, at least not really. Its that
>> men are tired of being told we are responsible for all the ills of the
>> world, and KEPT women from doing anything, or inventing, or any of
>> that nonsense when it was not true...not really. Men were just as
>> downtroden as women through the ages. <snip>
>
>
>
>Hi JB! :) You bring up some good points. If men want all the credit
>for inventing every thing and discovering every thing, should they not
>also accept responsibility as to how the world has turned out? You are
>not the first person in this user group to mention how most men were
>downtrodden and used by others.
Yes, they were.
>
>By whom were they used and kept downtrodden? Women? No, the women
>were too busy giving birth and rearing the children. Other men, more
Excuse me, but those in power over those men were BOTH men and women.
The aristocracy of past years was hardly made up of men only. I seem
to remember both Kings and "Queens" from British history. There are
many examples of powerful aristocracy of both sexes worldwide. The
rich and powerful of the last hundred years did consist of both men
and women as well. And women DID have alot of powerand influence
through the ages though it is denied by feminism.
>powerful men used them? That is the answer I have seen more than once
>in here.
>
>However, these were still men. So, even though you and your buddy
No, they were not all men, as I have explained above.
>didn't control women, men as a gender did. To claim as the OP
Men as the sole gender did not.
>inferred with his title that men did all these wonderful things and
>built all these wonderful building and devices to ease labor, as others
>have told me and not be willing to accept responsibility for the
>failures is disingenuous and a bit hypocritical.
Because women are NOT being blamed for their share of abuse of power
as well. We are supposed to believe that women had NO POWER. That is
an out and out falsehood and just as hypocritical.
>
>I keep hearing it is the feminists fault. However, if my understanding
>of history is correct, the world has had problems a lot longer than the
>introduction of feminism.
That is a red herring and will not detract from the fact that no one,
least of all me, has claimed that feminism is responsible for all the
problems throughout the ages. A nice attempt to introduce that but
adults are not fooled.
>So, if feminism has only been around for say 50 years and men didn't
>screw up the world, who or what did? Entropy? God? Where lies the
>responsibility?
The world became well and trully screwed up the last 50 years. But
especially the last 30. And THAT has been since the advent of
feminism. So yes, I lay it at the feet of feminism.
JB
GL Fowler
<jenni...@txpines.net> wrote:
The original restored 'cause I think lil Jennifer wishes to distort in
her favor!!
>>So, if feminism has only been around for say 50 years and men didn't
>>screw up the world, who or what did? Entropy? God? Where lies the
>>responsibility?
>>
>Women, the hand that rocks the cradle....
>Hey it works as well as anything else I've seen here. No doubt will
>rankle egos here but...
Women as the culprit works as well as men, God, anomalies in the great
space-time continuum, but I prefer large eyed grays. More mystery and
intrigue and has infinitely more possibilities for a good SF story.
You just conveniently left out the only other gender available, so I
put it in to round out the possibilities since you asked the question
after attempting to skew the question.
MCP
"Aggy" <fake@slashdevslashnul> wrote in message news:dbbdg8$tos$0...@pita.alt.net...
>
Aggy
You've never heard of Madam Curie?
Aggy
> >
conn...@hotmail.com
Aggy wrote:
> You've never heard of Madam Curie?
>
Feminists like you insist "the patriarchy" denied women entry into
sci/tech.
She is clear evidence that is "patently" false.
Like all feminists, you loose yet again because you're a LIAR.
Aggy
<conn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121646087.5...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Aggy wrote:
>
> > You've never heard of Madam Curie?
> >
>
> Feminists like you insist "the patriarchy" denied women entry into
> sci/tech.
No dear. You insist in denying us entry in IT.
Aggy
Andre Lieven
Note that, unlike the OP, these claimed " others " are NOT listed.
> Finally here are two women, who illustrate what happen to many women
> who didn't know their place.
>
> Aglaonike
> 5th century B.C.
> Greece-astronomer
> Aglaonike was a Greek astronomer during the 5th century B.C. She had
> the ability to accurately predict the times and locations of lunar
> eclipses. From this knowledge, Aglaonike is considered to be one of the
> first woman astronomers. Because of her gender, her skills were
> attributed to sorcery, rather than scientific ability. People of her
> time thought that she was a witch and could control others with fear
> and "magic".
Gee, that couldn't be because that was the prevailing view of such
endeavours, be they made by men or women... ?
Naw, everything bad that happens to women MUST be due to anti women
sexism.
Never mind that men have suffered far, FAR more than women over HIStory...
> Rosalind Elsie Franklin
> 1920-1957
> England-molecular biologist
> She shared her research with James Watson and Francis Crick who later
> discovered the structure of DNA and won the Nobel Prize for it.
> Although this discovery was due in part to her work she never received
> any of the credit.
Could be because her " work " wasn't relevent to theirs.
> Guys, I won't argue that men discovered and invented most of the
> things we have. However, let's be fair and give credit where credit
> is due. In spite of the limitations society imposed upon them, women
> did do thighs other than rear children and feed their men.
FEW women do any such things. MANY men do such things.
( 243 dead rescuing fireMEN at WTC. NO rescuing women... )
" If civilisation had been left in female hands, we would still be
living in grass huts. " Camile Paglia, " Sex, Art And American
Culture ", introduction.
Andre
--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.
The Curmudgeon
This has got to be one of the best responses I've read concerning
feminism, political correctness, and the anti-man trends of todays
society. Thanks for posting it
Men's Advocate
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:46:08 -0600, jerkyboy <j...@jerkyboysforever.com>
wrote:
Mark Borgerson
nob...@nowhere.com says...
To be fair and give credit where credit is due, a small number of women
paramedics and police officers did die attempting rescues inside the
WTC.
I don't know how they could honor equal numbers of women from the WTC---
unless they started naming names and left out the names of 95% of the
men who died.
> >
> >You say lets me fair and give credit where credit is due. Men dont
> >have a problem with that. But how about men being given credit or
> >having their OWN space even or club or organization without being
> >FORCED to include women or women being given credit where credit ISNT
> >due. THAT is what has many men upset today.
> >
> >I cannot even go to a MEN"S only gym anymore. I cannot even
> >associate by choice with only men in any kind of organization or club
> >today. But women can. That is equality according to women.
> >
Hmmm, I wonder if that trend is partly responsible for the popularity
of local sports teams---which still provide a number of leagues
separated by gender. That way, the team can have a post-game
'meeting' at the local pub and have it be a de-facto men's club.
We could always hope that women would spend all their meeting time
in women-only groups----leaving the rest as de-facto men's groups! ;-)
> > JB
>
>
>
Mark Borgerson
jerkyboy
No, they did not. The "paramedic" killed was found "under" her
ambulance which was hundreds of yards away from the WTC. The police
officer was manning a barracade some distance away. The other woman
officer killed was hit by a jumper....OUTSIDE the WTC. That is your
"small" number.
>
>I don't know how they could honor equal numbers of women from the WTC---
>unless they started naming names and left out the names of 95% of the
>men who died.
By having women, in equal numbers at the ceremonies. In the lines of
officers and firemen, they were composed of equal numbers of men and
women. Also, every mention of those firemen killed mentioned the
"women and men" of the NYFD who gave their lives with "women" coming
before "men". None of those several women killed were in the NYFD.
And none were killed INSIDE the WTC when it collapsed.
>> >
>> >You say lets me fair and give credit where credit is due. Men dont
>> >have a problem with that. But how about men being given credit or
>> >having their OWN space even or club or organization without being
>> >FORCED to include women or women being given credit where credit ISNT
>> >due. THAT is what has many men upset today.
>> >
>> >I cannot even go to a MEN"S only gym anymore. I cannot even
>> >associate by choice with only men in any kind of organization or club
>> >today. But women can. That is equality according to women.
>> >
>
>
>Hmmm, I wonder if that trend is partly responsible for the popularity
>of local sports teams---which still provide a number of leagues
>separated by gender. That way, the team can have a post-game
>'meeting' at the local pub and have it be a de-facto men's club.
That may be possible in Britain, but in the US, there are NO teams
that can keep a woman from joining. The sports leagues for juniors
and even the Peewee leagues are all mixed sex. Even high school and
college teams have to permit women to play on the boys teams. This is
even when there are seperate girls teams available for the girls to
join.
The only teams that are seperated by sex are the professional sports
teams and even then they cannot keep women from trying to play or
trying out. Witness the ladies trying to play in the mens leagues in
both golf and tennis. Yet no men are allowed to try to play in any of
the womens leagues. That is equality according to women.
Also, that is hardly a defacto mens club. And you know it.
>
>
>We could always hope that women would spend all their meeting time
>in women-only groups----leaving the rest as de-facto men's groups! ;-)
Hope all you want, but women seem to think that its not fair that men
can get together in their own club, in their own building, with no
women present. To them, that is discrimination. Yet womens clubs
abound.
JB
>> > JB
>>
>>
>>
>
>Mark Borgerson
>
jerkyboy
<nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>This has got to be one of the best responses I've read concerning
>feminism, political correctness, and the anti-man trends of todays
>society. Thanks for posting it
Thanks for the compliment. I am a long time mens activist and a long
time anti-feminist. Currently am designing a new blog that will
include alot of my postings and other views.
Thanks again for your kind remarks.
JB
Jennifer Ann
I noticed that he accidentally forgot to mention Madam Marie Curie who
won the 1911 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for the discovery of radium.
Or:
Emily Noether
Rachel Carson
Sybilla Masters
Williamina Paton Stevens Fleming
Gertrude B. Elion
Among others
Finally here are two women, who illustrate what happen to many women
who didn't know their place.
Aglaonike
5th century B.C.
Greece-astronomer
Aglaonike was a Greek astronomer during the 5th century B.C. She had
the ability to accurately predict the times and locations of lunar
eclipses. From this knowledge, Aglaonike is considered to be one of the
first woman astronomers. Because of her gender, her skills were
attributed to sorcery, rather than scientific ability. People of her
time thought that she was a witch and could control others with fear
and "magic".
Rosalind Elsie Franklin
1920-1957
England-molecular biologist
She shared her research with James Watson and Francis Crick who later
discovered the structure of DNA and won the Nobel Prize for it.
Although this discovery was due in part to her work she never received
any of the credit.
Guys, I won't argue that men discovered and invented most of the
things we have. However, let's be fair and give credit where credit
is due. In spite of the limitations society imposed upon them, women
did do thighs other than rear children and feed their men.
Jenny