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JTEM
Apr 29, 2012, 5:16:01 PM4/29/12
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I'm going to give away all my materials on the Holocaust.
Some students are interested in it, and I've already said
they can have it. This is your last chance to add your
voice, include your point of view.
I won't kid you, any holes in your logic, any mistake in
your argument, any faulty math of invalid points would
be seized and used against you. Not by me, mind you.
I would be the one presenting them, and I would be the
one deciding how to present them (direct quote, voice
over, text on background, etc) but they would not be my
words.
Still, they'll likely rip you a new one, like people ALWAYS
do with Holocaust deniers.
But, hey, if you're a Holocaust denier and you want
notoriety then you have no choice but to put up with
looking like a fool. I'm afraid that the one is inseparable
from the other.
So, put up or shut up: Put yourself on record. Submit to
the interview.
Yes, you may demand a non-disclosure agreement regarding
any personal information -- including your real name and/or
address. (There is no need for a S.S. number as you would
not be paid, Nobody has or will be.)
Matt Giwer
Apr 29, 2012, 9:47:23 PM4/29/12
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On 4/29/2012 5:16 PM, JTEM wrote:
>
> I'm going to give away all my materials on the Holocaust.
All the transcripts of the holocausted you have channeled no doubt.
>
> I'm going to give away all my materials on the Holocaust.
> Some students are interested in it, and I've already said
> they can have it.
are a fucking crook. Get over it.
> This is your last chance to add your
> voice, include your point of view.
When you idiots have an autopsy identifying cyanide as a cause of death
you be sure to get back to me.
Poetic Justice
Apr 30, 2012, 12:05:22 AM4/30/12
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Matt Giwer wrote;
>When you idiots have an autopsy
>identifying cyanide as a cause of death
>you be sure to get back to me.
How do you get 'cause of death' autopsy results from Hoess' quote below;
>"the foul and nauseating stench from the
>continuous burning of bodies permeated
>the entire area and all of the people living
>in the surrounding communities knew that
>exterminations were going on at
>Auschwitz."
Please post your usual BS rebuttal and show *once* again who is the real
Idiot.
"This is excerpts from Hoess' signed testimony given at the Post-War
Nuremberg War Crime trials:
RUDOLF FRANZ FERDINAND HOESS, being first duly sworn, depose and say as
follows:
"I am fortysix years old, and have been a member of the NSDAPI since
1922; a member of the SS since 1934; a member of the WaffenSS since
1939. I was a member from 1 December 1934 of the SS Guard Unit, the
socalled Deathshead Formation (Totenkopf Verband).
I have been constantly associated with the administration of
concentration camps since 1934, serving at Dachau until 1938; then as
Adjutant in Sachsenhausen from 1938 - 5/1/1940, when I was appointed
Kommandant of Auschwitz.
I commanded Auschwitz until 12/1/1943 and estimate that at least 2.5
million victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and
burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and
disease making a total dead of about 3 million.
This figure represents about 70-80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as
prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor
in the concentration camp industries; included among the executed and
burned were approximately 20,000 Russian prisoners of war (previously
screened out of prisoner-of-war cages by the Gestapo) who were delivered
at Auschwitz in Wehrmacht transports operated by regular Wehrmacht
officers and men.
The remainder of the total number of victims included about 100,000
German Jews, and great numbers of citizens, mostly Jewish, from Holland,
France, Belgium, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Greece, or other
countries.
We executed about 400,000 Hungarian Jews alone at Auschwitz in the
summer of 1944.
Mass executions by gassing commenced during the summer of 1941 and
continued until fall 1944.
I personally supervised executions at Auschwitz until 12/1/1943 and
know by reason of my continued duties in the Inspectorate of
Concentration Camps, WVHA, that these mass executions continued as
stated above.
All mass executions by gassing took place under the direct order,
supervision, and responsibility of RSHA.
I received all orders for carrying out these mass executions directly
from RSHA.
The 'Final Solution' of the Jewish question meant the complete
extermination of all Jews in Europe.
I was ordered to establish extermination facilities at Auschwitz in
6/1941.
At that time, there were already in the General Government three other
extermination camps: Belzek, Treblinka and Wolzek.
These camps were under the Einsatzkommando of the Security Police and
SD.
I visited Treblinka to find out how they carried out their
exterminations.
The camp commandant at Treblinka told me that he had liquidated 80,000
in the course of one-half year.
He was principally concerned with liquidating all the Jews from the
Warsaw Ghetto.
He used monoxide gas, and I did not think that his methods were very
efficient.
So when I set up the extermination building at Auschwitz, I used Zyklon
B, which was a crystallized prussic acid which we dropped into the death
chamber from a small opening.
It took from 3-15 minutes to kill the people in the death chamber,
depending upon climatic conditions.
We knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped.
We usually waited about one-half hour before we opened the doors and
removed the bodies.
After the bodies were removed our special Kommandos took off the rings
and extracted the gold from the teeth of the corpses.
Another improvement we made over Treblinka was that we built our gas
chamber to accommodate 2000 people at one time whereas at Treblinka
their 10 gas chambers only accommodated 200 people each.
The way we selected our victims was as follows:
We had two SS doctors on duty at Auschwitz to examine the incoming
transports of prisoners.
The prisoners would be marched by one of the doctors who would make
spot decisions as they walked by.
Those who were fit for work were sent into the camp.
Others were sent immediately to the extermination plants.
Children of tender years were invariably exterminated since by reason
of their youth they were unable to work.
Still another improvement we made over Treblinka was that at Treblinka
the victims almost always knew that they were to be exterminated and at
Auschwitz we endeavored to fool the victims into thinking that they were
to go through a delousing process.
Of course, frequently they realized our true intentions and we
sometimes had riots and difficulties due to that fact.
Very frequently women would hide their children under the clothes, but
of course when we found them we would send the children in to be
exterminated.
We were required to carry out these exterminations in secrecy but of
course the foul and nauseating stench from the continuous burning of
bodies permeated the entire area and all of the people living in the
surrounding communities knew that exterminations were going on at
Auschwitz.
We received from time to time special prisoners from the local Gestapo
office. The SS doctors killed such prisoners by injections of benzine.
Doctors had orders to write ordinary death certificates and could put
down any reason at all for the cause of death.
From time to time we conducted medical experiments on women inmates,
including sterilization and experiments relating to cancer.
Most of the people who died under these experiments had been already
condemned to death by the Gestapo.
I understand English as it is written above.
The above statements are true; this declaration is made by me
voluntarily and without compulsion; after reading over the statement I
have signed and executed the same at Nuremberg, Germany, on the
4/5/1946. - Rudolf Hoess."
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Rudolf Hoess related before his execution how he often felt weak-kneed
at having to push hundreds of screaming, pleading children into the gas
chambers:
"I did, however, always feel ashamed of this weakness of mine after I
talked to Adolf Eichmann.
He explained to me that it was especially the children who have to be
killed first, because where was the logic in killing a generation of
older people and leaving alive a generation of young people who can be
possible avengers of their parents and can constitute a new biological
cell for the reemerging of this people."
>When you idiots have an autopsy
>identifying cyanide as a cause of death
>you be sure to get back to me.
>"the foul and nauseating stench from the
>continuous burning of bodies permeated
>the entire area and all of the people living
>in the surrounding communities knew that
>exterminations were going on at
>Auschwitz."
Please post your usual BS rebuttal and show *once* again who is the real
Idiot.
"This is excerpts from Hoess' signed testimony given at the Post-War
Nuremberg War Crime trials:
RUDOLF FRANZ FERDINAND HOESS, being first duly sworn, depose and say as
follows:
"I am fortysix years old, and have been a member of the NSDAPI since
1922; a member of the SS since 1934; a member of the WaffenSS since
1939. I was a member from 1 December 1934 of the SS Guard Unit, the
socalled Deathshead Formation (Totenkopf Verband).
I have been constantly associated with the administration of
concentration camps since 1934, serving at Dachau until 1938; then as
Adjutant in Sachsenhausen from 1938 - 5/1/1940, when I was appointed
Kommandant of Auschwitz.
I commanded Auschwitz until 12/1/1943 and estimate that at least 2.5
million victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and
burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and
disease making a total dead of about 3 million.
This figure represents about 70-80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as
prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor
in the concentration camp industries; included among the executed and
burned were approximately 20,000 Russian prisoners of war (previously
screened out of prisoner-of-war cages by the Gestapo) who were delivered
at Auschwitz in Wehrmacht transports operated by regular Wehrmacht
officers and men.
The remainder of the total number of victims included about 100,000
German Jews, and great numbers of citizens, mostly Jewish, from Holland,
France, Belgium, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Greece, or other
countries.
We executed about 400,000 Hungarian Jews alone at Auschwitz in the
summer of 1944.
Mass executions by gassing commenced during the summer of 1941 and
continued until fall 1944.
I personally supervised executions at Auschwitz until 12/1/1943 and
know by reason of my continued duties in the Inspectorate of
Concentration Camps, WVHA, that these mass executions continued as
stated above.
All mass executions by gassing took place under the direct order,
supervision, and responsibility of RSHA.
I received all orders for carrying out these mass executions directly
from RSHA.
The 'Final Solution' of the Jewish question meant the complete
extermination of all Jews in Europe.
I was ordered to establish extermination facilities at Auschwitz in
6/1941.
At that time, there were already in the General Government three other
extermination camps: Belzek, Treblinka and Wolzek.
These camps were under the Einsatzkommando of the Security Police and
SD.
I visited Treblinka to find out how they carried out their
exterminations.
The camp commandant at Treblinka told me that he had liquidated 80,000
in the course of one-half year.
He was principally concerned with liquidating all the Jews from the
Warsaw Ghetto.
He used monoxide gas, and I did not think that his methods were very
efficient.
So when I set up the extermination building at Auschwitz, I used Zyklon
B, which was a crystallized prussic acid which we dropped into the death
chamber from a small opening.
It took from 3-15 minutes to kill the people in the death chamber,
depending upon climatic conditions.
We knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped.
We usually waited about one-half hour before we opened the doors and
removed the bodies.
After the bodies were removed our special Kommandos took off the rings
and extracted the gold from the teeth of the corpses.
Another improvement we made over Treblinka was that we built our gas
chamber to accommodate 2000 people at one time whereas at Treblinka
their 10 gas chambers only accommodated 200 people each.
The way we selected our victims was as follows:
We had two SS doctors on duty at Auschwitz to examine the incoming
transports of prisoners.
The prisoners would be marched by one of the doctors who would make
spot decisions as they walked by.
Those who were fit for work were sent into the camp.
Others were sent immediately to the extermination plants.
Children of tender years were invariably exterminated since by reason
of their youth they were unable to work.
Still another improvement we made over Treblinka was that at Treblinka
the victims almost always knew that they were to be exterminated and at
Auschwitz we endeavored to fool the victims into thinking that they were
to go through a delousing process.
Of course, frequently they realized our true intentions and we
sometimes had riots and difficulties due to that fact.
Very frequently women would hide their children under the clothes, but
of course when we found them we would send the children in to be
exterminated.
We were required to carry out these exterminations in secrecy but of
course the foul and nauseating stench from the continuous burning of
bodies permeated the entire area and all of the people living in the
surrounding communities knew that exterminations were going on at
Auschwitz.
We received from time to time special prisoners from the local Gestapo
office. The SS doctors killed such prisoners by injections of benzine.
Doctors had orders to write ordinary death certificates and could put
down any reason at all for the cause of death.
From time to time we conducted medical experiments on women inmates,
including sterilization and experiments relating to cancer.
Most of the people who died under these experiments had been already
condemned to death by the Gestapo.
I understand English as it is written above.
The above statements are true; this declaration is made by me
voluntarily and without compulsion; after reading over the statement I
have signed and executed the same at Nuremberg, Germany, on the
4/5/1946. - Rudolf Hoess."
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Rudolf Hoess related before his execution how he often felt weak-kneed
at having to push hundreds of screaming, pleading children into the gas
chambers:
"I did, however, always feel ashamed of this weakness of mine after I
talked to Adolf Eichmann.
He explained to me that it was especially the children who have to be
killed first, because where was the logic in killing a generation of
older people and leaving alive a generation of young people who can be
possible avengers of their parents and can constitute a new biological
cell for the reemerging of this people."
Matt Giwer
Apr 30, 2012, 1:35:10 PM4/30/12
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On 4/30/2012 12:05 AM, Poetic Justice wrote:
> Matt Giwer wrote;
>
>> When you idiots have an autopsy
>> identifying cyanide as a cause of death
>> you be sure to get back to me.
>
> How do you get 'cause of death' autopsy results from Hoess' quote below;
>
>> "the foul and nauseating stench from the
>> continuous burning of bodies permeated
>> the entire area and all of the people living
>> in the surrounding communities knew that
>> exterminations were going on at
>> Auschwitz."
>
> Please post your usual BS rebuttal and show *once* again who is the real
> Idiot.
As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
> Matt Giwer wrote;
>
>> When you idiots have an autopsy
>> identifying cyanide as a cause of death
>> you be sure to get back to me.
>
> How do you get 'cause of death' autopsy results from Hoess' quote below;
>
>> "the foul and nauseating stench from the
>> continuous burning of bodies permeated
>> the entire area and all of the people living
>> in the surrounding communities knew that
>> exterminations were going on at
>> Auschwitz."
>
> Please post your usual BS rebuttal and show *once* again who is the real
> Idiot.
poisoning.
As for Hoess
"I commanded Auschwitz until 12/1/1943 and estimate that at least 2.5
million victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and
burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and
disease making a total dead of about 3 million."
groups from all causes (as carved on that big stone at the entrance)
they obviously do not take him seriously. Why do you? Have you contacted
the museum and explained their error to them or do you think there is a
chance they might be correct in rejecting Hoess' nonsense?
I am not responsible for what you ignorant, gullible schoolchildren
choose to believe.
Dennis
Apr 30, 2012, 2:27:30 PM4/30/12
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as
> cyanide
> poisoning.
It's a bit difficult to do an autopsy after cremation of the corpse. :-)
> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as
> cyanide
> poisoning.
(I couldn't resist.)
Dennis
Poetic Justice
Apr 30, 2012, 5:31:30 PM4/30/12
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> your usual BS rebuttal and
>show *once* again who is the real Idiot.
Matt Giwer wrote;
>show *once* again who is the real Idiot.
>As I said not one single autopsy showing
>the cause of death as cyanide poisoning.
So by GiwersWorld logic on 9/11 none of the passengers on the 4 planes
died because not one of them had an autopsy showing cause of death?
>As for Hoess
>["I commanded Auschwitz until 12/1/1943
>and estimate that at least 2.5 million
>victims were executed and exterminated
>there by gassing and burning, and at least
>another half million succumbed to
>starvation and disease making a total
His *estimate* was likely based on what Eichmann told Hoess near the end
of the war "that 2.5 million Jews had been murdered at Auschwitz
Birkenau".
Hoess had *no records* of those that were gassed they were destroyed
after each action. (see below)
>As the Auschwitz museum says there
>were only one million total of all groups
>from all causes (as carved on that big
>stone at the entrance) they obviously do
>not take him seriously. Why do you?
www.scrapbookpages.com/auschwitzscrapbook/Photos/Gallery6/Photo8.html
And the 20 different language plaques say One and a Half Million placed
there in 1995 which adjusted the figure down from the Soviet-era figure
of 4 million.
www.scrapbookpages.com/auschwitzscrapbook/Photos/Gallery6/Photo4.html
>Have you contacted the museum and
>explained their error to them or do you
>think there is a chance they might be
>correct in rejecting Hoess' nonsense?
records told him, Adolf Eichmann for whatever reason.
The 4 million claim was just Soviet propoganda at the time that over
time became the believeable estimate.
The museum did change the plaques to reflect a more realistic estimate.
Being truthful is a concept that you would not understand, like 1
million is really 1.5 million but if no one checks it, in GiwersWorld it
becomes fact.
Unless there is another monument that states your claim of 1 million
(photo)?
If so, then I would apologize for the above statement (see that is what
you do when you demean someone and are then proven wrong, tough concept
but try it sometimes you have *many* opportunities).
>I am not responsible for what you
>ignorant, gullible schoolchildren choose to
>believe.
film etc) open pit shootings of mostly Jews by the SS outside of towns
and cities as the Nazi's advanced eastward.
And how some/many/all were dug-up and the bodies burned as the Germans
retreated to destroy the evidence of their crimes.
Did that happen? Or do you and your other Holocaust deniers have a BS
explanation for that too?
Also the trucks where the exhaust was piped into the truck's locked box
with people inside?
What possible reason would they build trucks like this?
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
In 1946, Rudolf Hoess was put on trial in Poland; he was charged with
the murder of "around 300,000 people held at the camp as prisoners and
entered into the camp's records and around 4,000,000 people, mainly
Jews, who were brought to the camp in transports from other European
countries for immediate extermination and thus not listed in the camp's
records.
" During his trial, Höss changed the figure in his confession to a
total of 1,130,000 Jews that were gassed but declared
"During my tenure at Auschwitz, millions of people died, whose exact
number I cannot determine."
Rudolf Hoess wrote in his autobiography that Obersturmbannführer Adolf
Eichmann and his deputy were the only ones who knew the total number of
Jews that were gassed at Auschwitz-Birkenau because Reichsführer-SS
Heinrich Himmler had ordered the records to be burned after every
special action.
The Nazis always used code words when talking about the genocide of the
Jews: a mass gassing was called a "special action."
In the last days of World War II, shortly before Berlin was surrounded
by Soviet troops, Eichmann told Hoess that 2.5 million Jews had been
murdered at Auschwitz Birkenau.
Eichmann was an SS Lt. Col. who was the head of Department IV, B-4,
the section of the Reich Central Security Office (RSHA) in Berlin, which
was responsible for deporting the Jews.
It was Adolf Eichmann who was in charge of deporting the Jews on the
trains to the death camps.
Matt Giwer
Apr 30, 2012, 9:47:18 PM4/30/12
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On 4/30/2012 5:31 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
>> your usual BS rebuttal and
>> show *once* again who is the real Idiot.
> Matt Giwer wrote;
>> As I said not one single autopsy showing
>> the cause of death as cyanide poisoning.
> Wow a record! You proved my point in one sentence.
>
> So by GiwersWorld logic on 9/11 none of the passengers on the 4 planes
> died because not one of them had an autopsy showing cause of death?
If you believe that you have been reading a lot of whacko websites.
>> your usual BS rebuttal and
>> show *once* again who is the real Idiot.
> Matt Giwer wrote;
>> As I said not one single autopsy showing
>> the cause of death as cyanide poisoning.
> Wow a record! You proved my point in one sentence.
>
> So by GiwersWorld logic on 9/11 none of the passengers on the 4 planes
> died because not one of them had an autopsy showing cause of death?
>> As for Hoess
>
>> ["I commanded Auschwitz until 12/1/1943
>> and estimate that at least 2.5 million
>> victims were executed and exterminated
>> there by gassing and burning, and at least
>> another half million succumbed to
>> starvation and disease making a total
>> dead of about 3 million."]
>
> His *estimate* was likely based on what Eichmann told Hoess near the end
> of the war "that 2.5 million Jews had been murdered at Auschwitz
> Birkenau".
> Hoess had *no records* of those that were gassed they were destroyed
> after each action. (see below)
in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
number of Hoess which he magically provided before knowing it was used
to come up with 6M. Yet the 6M was not reduced.
Stranger still the 6M was invented without a single census or survey or
any other actuarial basis for the number. It was pulled out of someone's
ass and lo and behold! the lord intervened to make it correct. Self
reported world population numbers for Jews were not reduced until 1949
absent census data from the US and Russia which did not collect data on
religion.
Patton said there were a million Jews in the quarter of Germany he
governed. Unless Jews happened to like Americans there should have been
a million in each quarter of occupied Germany. There are at least one
million and likely four million of your missing Jews.
Do you wish to continue with baseless inventions from websites which
present no actuarial data? Of course you do. You will continue to cite
material of unknown authorship from unknown sources which do not rise
above urban legend. You will continue to use pictures without provenance
which contain nothing intrinsic to the pictures which in no way confirm
the captions.
You will continue to be as attached to your silly holocaustic beliefs
as you are to your belief the Septuagint is a translation instead of the
original.
Try to grow up.
Martin Edwards
May 1, 2012, 3:34:34 AM5/1/12
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On 01/05/2012 02:47, Matt Giwer wrote:
>
> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was introduced
> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
> number of Hoess which he magically provided before knowing it was used
> to come up with 6M. Yet the 6M was not reduced.
This is bullshit. The 6m figure is for the total killed, not those
>
> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was introduced
> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
> number of Hoess which he magically provided before knowing it was used
> to come up with 6M. Yet the 6M was not reduced.
killed at Auschwitz. Whether this is accurate within a few hundred thou
is irrelevant. The overwhelming probability (sorry about that but I am
a historian) based on all the available evidence is that Hitler and
most of the leading Nazis intended to wipe out (vernichten: I have heard
the Boss say it on tv) European Jewry and had a fair stab at doing so.
I don't see why the natives of Palestine should have to pay for that
either, but it is the case.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
Neil H.
May 1, 2012, 3:48:15 AM5/1/12
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In article <4f9ecd5b$0$17705$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of
> death as cyanide poisoning.
(scratching head)
> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of
> death as cyanide poisoning.
Since the gassings (obviously) took place while the SS was
in command of the camps, why would they want to conduct
autopsies? You think they did not know the cause of death?
And just out of curiosity -- do there exist any autopsies
proving that someone in Dresden or Hamburg died as a result
of fire?
Neil.
Neil H.
May 1, 2012, 3:59:45 AM5/1/12
to
In article <4f9f40b3$0$9766$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Later analysis also considered the number of victims in the camps
(Auschwitz and Treblinka being the "leaders"), victims of mass executions
(mostly in the occupied USSR), and losses in the ghettos.
Are you a Holocaust denier, Giwer? It does fit your profile.
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was introduced
> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
> number of Hoess
No, the number (5.7 million actually) was based on population stats.
> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was introduced
> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
> number of Hoess
Later analysis also considered the number of victims in the camps
(Auschwitz and Treblinka being the "leaders"), victims of mass executions
(mostly in the occupied USSR), and losses in the ghettos.
Are you a Holocaust denier, Giwer? It does fit your profile.
Neil.
Poetic Justice
Apr 30, 2012, 11:30:08 PM4/30/12
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Matt Giwer wrote;
>Do you wish to continue with baseless
>inventions from websites which present
>no actuarial data? Of course you do.
And yourself??? No one here (s.a, s.h.a) believes you on this Denial
(find 1) and you never back-up your bullshit just avoid, dodge, lie,
etc.
How about a reliable cite for your Patton/Jewish statement for starters?
I *mainly* used *exact quotes* from Rudolf Hoess, cut & paste & google
and you will find them easily.
I don't waste my time on posting URL's for you not to answer.
>You will continue to cite material of
>unknown authorship from unknown
>sources which do not rise above urban
>legend.
Rudolf Hoess' Nurenberg Trial and his memoirs are "material of unknown
You are beyond belief!
>You will continue to use pictures without
>provenance which contain nothing intrinsic
>to the pictures which in no way confirm
>the captions.
*You* mentioned the fuckin' stone monument/plaque and you couldn't read
the 2nd photo's inscription that said "one and a half million"???
Oh, that's right it proved you wrong so of course you couldn't read it.
>You will continue to be as attached to
>your silly holocaustic beliefs as you are to
>your belief the Septuagint is a translation
>instead of the original.
So now you're making shit up as you go along to steer away from
questions you don't want to answer...typical MO of yours.
I have never posted about *the* Septaugint and only have a faint clue
to what it is and no opinion on it.
Here wrap your Holocaust Denial mentality around this *very detailed*
website and check the ~324 footnotes and references.
Actually don't waste your time as facts allude you when it comes to
your religion.
As I said before you think and argue facts like a hard core
Creationist.
www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/notes.shtml
I'm finished wasting my time...AGAIN!
>Do you wish to continue with baseless
>inventions from websites which present
>no actuarial data? Of course you do.
(find 1) and you never back-up your bullshit just avoid, dodge, lie,
etc.
How about a reliable cite for your Patton/Jewish statement for starters?
I *mainly* used *exact quotes* from Rudolf Hoess, cut & paste & google
and you will find them easily.
I don't waste my time on posting URL's for you not to answer.
>You will continue to cite material of
>unknown authorship from unknown
>sources which do not rise above urban
>legend.
authorship from unknown
sources which do not rise above urban
legend." ?
sources which do not rise above urban
You are beyond belief!
>You will continue to use pictures without
>provenance which contain nothing intrinsic
>to the pictures which in no way confirm
>the captions.
the 2nd photo's inscription that said "one and a half million"???
Oh, that's right it proved you wrong so of course you couldn't read it.
>You will continue to be as attached to
>your silly holocaustic beliefs as you are to
>your belief the Septuagint is a translation
>instead of the original.
questions you don't want to answer...typical MO of yours.
I have never posted about *the* Septaugint and only have a faint clue
to what it is and no opinion on it.
Here wrap your Holocaust Denial mentality around this *very detailed*
website and check the ~324 footnotes and references.
Actually don't waste your time as facts allude you when it comes to
your religion.
As I said before you think and argue facts like a hard core
Creationist.
www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/notes.shtml
I'm finished wasting my time...AGAIN!
Matt Giwer
May 1, 2012, 10:15:44 PM5/1/12
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On 5/1/2012 3:34 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
> On 01/05/2012 02:47, Matt Giwer wrote:
>> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was introduced
>> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
>> number of Hoess which he magically provided before knowing it was used
>> to come up with 6M. Yet the 6M was not reduced.
> This is bullshit. The 6m figure is for the total killed, not those
> killed at Auschwitz. Whether this is accurate within a few hundred thou
> is irrelevant. The overwhelming probability (sorry about that but I am a
> historian) based on all the available evidence is that Hitler and most
> of the leading Nazis intended to wipe out (vernichten: I have heard the
> Boss say it on tv) European Jewry and had a fair stab at doing so. I
> don't see why the natives of Palestine should have to pay for that
> either, but it is the case.
Be certain to rely upon ad hominem in your response.
> On 01/05/2012 02:47, Matt Giwer wrote:
>> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was introduced
>> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
>> number of Hoess which he magically provided before knowing it was used
>> to come up with 6M. Yet the 6M was not reduced.
> This is bullshit. The 6m figure is for the total killed, not those
> killed at Auschwitz. Whether this is accurate within a few hundred thou
> is irrelevant. The overwhelming probability (sorry about that but I am a
> historian) based on all the available evidence is that Hitler and most
> of the leading Nazis intended to wipe out (vernichten: I have heard the
> Boss say it on tv) European Jewry and had a fair stab at doing so. I
> don't see why the natives of Palestine should have to pay for that
> either, but it is the case.
http://www.zundelsite.org/english/antiprop/plaques/
The numbers either did or did not balance in 1948 with four million.
The totals did not decline by 2.5 million in 1990 as a consequence of
the new number. Why not?
If "most of" the 1.5M were Jews will you settle for 1M Jews? That
leaves 5M bodies to find. If you like mass graves at 1000 per then there
are 5000 to find. If one a week were being found that would be nearly a
century of finding. A mere handful have been found. Where did the bodies
go? Of those few which have been found how was religion determined?
If you really like cremation at Auschwitz the weight and volume of
cremation remains aka ashes are well known. Multiply by 1.5 million and
tell me where these remains have been found. Never found? Then never
happened. Things do not vanish.
You've been indoctrinated just as you were with religion. You were
shitloads of things which are simply not true. You have been told about
testimony but not told the usage of testimony is the same as that in a
prayer meeting not in court.
Matt Giwer
May 1, 2012, 10:43:09 PM5/1/12
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the rules.
Hell they might as easily claim murder by electrified swimming pool --
oops they did. They might as well claim when given a "medical exam" when
they stood on the device to measure their height a hammer slammed into
their heads and killed them -- another oops there, they claimed that too.
Would they lie? Would they claim Pure Jewish Soap? Would Elie Wiesel
claim Kosher sexually segregated burning pits for live Jews if he had
not seen it with his own eyes?
Would people claim to have been abducted and probed by aliens if it
were not true? Would people claim to have seen Bigfoot if it were not
true? Would people write books like Fragments and The Painted Bird if it
were not true? Would people be gullible enough to believe a little
Jewish girl was protected by wolves during the war?
Matt Giwer
May 1, 2012, 10:55:15 PM5/1/12
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source of numbers WITH citation of source that were used in October
1945, that is one nine four five, you will have produced evidence you
are not simply lying. Again, would people lie? Without the actuarial
statistics prior to the invention of the number it will be obvious you
lie. It will be obvious you are willing to make up anything to salvage
your pathetic holocaustic religion.
No hand waving, no excuses, just a proper citation of the source along
with quotes of the relevant content just as with any other subject.
Given all the nonsense things you believe in because of your holy
holocaust it just shows you are stupid and gullible.
Matt Giwer
May 1, 2012, 10:59:17 PM5/1/12
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On 4/30/2012 11:30 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
> Matt Giwer wrote;
>> Do you wish to continue with baseless
>> inventions from websites which present
>> no actuarial data? Of course you do.
> And yourself??? No one here (s.a, s.h.a) believes you on this Denial
> (find 1) and you never back-up your bullshit just avoid, dodge, lie,
> etc.
Those people also know the only physical evidence shows the Septuagint
> Matt Giwer wrote;
>> Do you wish to continue with baseless
>> inventions from websites which present
>> no actuarial data? Of course you do.
> And yourself??? No one here (s.a, s.h.a) believes you on this Denial
> (find 1) and you never back-up your bullshit just avoid, dodge, lie,
> etc.
is the original created by Greeks in Egypt.
There is no point in going further than none of five people who claimed
to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
Matt Giwer
May 1, 2012, 10:59:40 PM5/1/12
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On 5/1/2012 3:34 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
> On 01/05/2012 02:47, Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was introduced
>> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
>> number of Hoess which he magically provided before knowing it was used
>> to come up with 6M. Yet the 6M was not reduced.
>
>
> This is bullshit.
>>
>> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was introduced
>> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
>> number of Hoess which he magically provided before knowing it was used
>> to come up with 6M. Yet the 6M was not reduced.
>
>
> This is bullshit.
Matt Giwer
May 1, 2012, 11:00:43 PM5/1/12
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On 5/1/2012 3:59 AM, Neil H. wrote:
Matt Giwer
May 1, 2012, 11:43:51 PM5/1/12
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On 5/1/2012 3:48 AM, Neil H. wrote:
...
> And just out of curiosity -- do there exist any autopsies
> proving that someone in Dresden or Hamburg died as a result
> of fire?
As with your nonsense about 9/11, do you really believe there were tens
> proving that someone in Dresden or Hamburg died as a result
> of fire?
of thousands of death certificates issued without giving a cause of death?
The first forensic pathology report proving murder was by means of
autopsy to show the cyanide in the body in quantities to cause death. It
was also the inspiration for Arthur Conan Doyle to create Sherlock
Holmes. There are several causes of death which are outwardly similar to
cyanide poisoning so an autopsy is necessary to separate those from murder.
You really could have googled it.
Poetic Justice
May 2, 2012, 1:02:10 AM5/2/12
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I posted the wrong URL
www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/ vs
www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/notes.shtml
Which is the 'notes' section.
They don't know where the ashes were transported to and dumped, so for
an idiotic Holocaust Denier that's *solid evidence* it never happened.
www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/ vs
www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/notes.shtml
Which is the 'notes' section.
They don't know where the ashes were transported to and dumped, so for
an idiotic Holocaust Denier that's *solid evidence* it never happened.
Neil H.
May 2, 2012, 1:10:53 AM5/2/12
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In article <4fa0a220$0$15164$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry. There are, of course,
numerous other sources.
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> On 5/1/2012 3:59 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> Are you a Holocaust denier, Giwer? It does fit your profile.
> When you produce the population census numbers or actuarially sound
> source of numbers WITH citation of source that were used in October
> 1945, that is one nine four five,
These are easy to find. Start with the conclusions of the
> On 5/1/2012 3:59 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> Are you a Holocaust denier, Giwer? It does fit your profile.
> When you produce the population census numbers or actuarially sound
> source of numbers WITH citation of source that were used in October
> 1945, that is one nine four five,
Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry. There are, of course,
numerous other sources.
Neil.
Neil H.
May 2, 2012, 1:12:41 AM5/2/12
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In article <4fa0a368$0$10285$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
I am truly sorry, but repeating this woefully idiotic reply
does not make it any less woefully idiotic.
Neil.
does not make it any less woefully idiotic.
Neil.
Neil H.
May 2, 2012, 1:17:37 AM5/2/12
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In article <4fa09f4a$0$10550$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>> And just out of curiosity -- do there exist any autopsies
>> proving that someone in Dresden or Hamburg died as a result
>> of fire?
> If you do not have a cause of death you don't have jack.
Then you must also deny the deaths in German cities which
occurred as a result of Allied bombing raids? Or did you
find these autopsies from Dresden and Hamburg which indeed
prove that these people died as a result of Allied bombing?
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> On 5/1/2012 3:48 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> Since the gassings (obviously) took place while the SS was
>> in command of the camps, why would they want to conduct
>> autopsies? You think they did not know the cause of death?
Why didn't you answer this, Giwer?
> On 5/1/2012 3:48 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> Since the gassings (obviously) took place while the SS was
>> in command of the camps, why would they want to conduct
>> autopsies? You think they did not know the cause of death?
>> And just out of curiosity -- do there exist any autopsies
>> proving that someone in Dresden or Hamburg died as a result
>> of fire?
> If you do not have a cause of death you don't have jack.
occurred as a result of Allied bombing raids? Or did you
find these autopsies from Dresden and Hamburg which indeed
prove that these people died as a result of Allied bombing?
Neil.
Neil H.
May 2, 2012, 1:22:47 AM5/2/12
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In article <4fa0ad84$0$22003$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Where are these Dresden autopsies, Giwer? Please provide them
or conclude -- according to your logic(?) -- that the bombing of
Dresden is a hoax. It's that simple.
Also, please explain just why the SS would have wished to conduct
autopsies on the corpses removed from the gas chambers. That *is*
intriguing, to say the least.
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> On 5/1/2012 3:48 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> And just out of curiosity -- do there exist any autopsies
>> proving that someone in Dresden or Hamburg died as a result
>> of fire?
> As with your nonsense about 9/11,
I did not post anything about 9/11.
> On 5/1/2012 3:48 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> And just out of curiosity -- do there exist any autopsies
>> proving that someone in Dresden or Hamburg died as a result
>> of fire?
> As with your nonsense about 9/11,
Where are these Dresden autopsies, Giwer? Please provide them
or conclude -- according to your logic(?) -- that the bombing of
Dresden is a hoax. It's that simple.
Also, please explain just why the SS would have wished to conduct
autopsies on the corpses removed from the gas chambers. That *is*
intriguing, to say the least.
Neil.
Neil H.
May 2, 2012, 1:29:16 AM5/2/12
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In article <5715-4FA...@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>,
in some of the camps and other mass murder sites, most recently
in the Treblinka excavations.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/01/16/mass-graves-at-nazi-death-camp-treblinka-holocaust_n_1208814.html
Poetic Justice <paradi...@webtv.net> wrote:
> They don't know where the ashes were transported to and dumped,
Actually, huge amounts of burned human remains were found
> They don't know where the ashes were transported to and dumped,
in some of the camps and other mass murder sites, most recently
in the Treblinka excavations.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/01/16/mass-graves-at-nazi-death-camp-treblinka-holocaust_n_1208814.html
Martin Edwards
May 2, 2012, 3:32:07 AM5/2/12
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On 02/05/2012 03:15, Matt Giwer wrote:
> On 5/1/2012 3:34 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
>> On 01/05/2012 02:47, Matt Giwer wrote:
>>> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was introduced
>>> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
>>> number of Hoess which he magically provided before knowing it was used
>>> to come up with 6M. Yet the 6M was not reduced.
>
>> This is bullshit. The 6m figure is for the total killed, not those
>> killed at Auschwitz. Whether this is accurate within a few hundred thou
>> is irrelevant. The overwhelming probability (sorry about that but I am a
>> historian) based on all the available evidence is that Hitler and most
>> of the leading Nazis intended to wipe out (vernichten: I have heard the
>> Boss say it on tv) European Jewry and had a fair stab at doing so. I
>> don't see why the natives of Palestine should have to pay for that
>> either, but it is the case.
>
> Be certain to rely upon ad hominem in your response.
> http://www.zundelsite.org/english/antiprop/plaques/
>
I am probably the only poster here not to have insulted you and to have
> On 5/1/2012 3:34 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
>> On 01/05/2012 02:47, Matt Giwer wrote:
>>> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was introduced
>>> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
>>> number of Hoess which he magically provided before knowing it was used
>>> to come up with 6M. Yet the 6M was not reduced.
>
>> This is bullshit. The 6m figure is for the total killed, not those
>> killed at Auschwitz. Whether this is accurate within a few hundred thou
>> is irrelevant. The overwhelming probability (sorry about that but I am a
>> historian) based on all the available evidence is that Hitler and most
>> of the leading Nazis intended to wipe out (vernichten: I have heard the
>> Boss say it on tv) European Jewry and had a fair stab at doing so. I
>> don't see why the natives of Palestine should have to pay for that
>> either, but it is the case.
>
> Be certain to rely upon ad hominem in your response.
> http://www.zundelsite.org/english/antiprop/plaques/
>
given guarded support to some of your caveats about scripture. Sorry, I
repeat, /this/ is bullshit. I do not think you are a Nazi either: Nazis
simply want to resume the operation. Holocaust denial is a slightly
different pathology.
Martin Edwards
May 2, 2012, 3:33:32 AM5/2/12
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Martin Edwards
May 2, 2012, 3:37:10 AM5/2/12
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for sure that anyone was killed. When he went back after the war, the
family he had lodged with before said there were deaths, but of course
they may have been making it up.
Martin Edwards
May 2, 2012, 3:39:36 AM5/2/12
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suffocation. In this case they would still have been deliberately
killed by Nazis, or anyway by people who had aced a safer job than
fighting in the front line.
Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 6:21:32 PM5/2/12
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On 5/2/2012 3:33 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
> On 02/05/2012 04:00, Matt Giwer wrote:
>> On 5/1/2012 3:59 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>>> In article<4f9f40b3$0$9766$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was introduced
>>>> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
>>>> number of Hoess
>>> No, the number (5.7 million actually) was based on population stats.
>>> Later analysis also considered the number of victims in the camps
>>> (Auschwitz and Treblinka being the "leaders"), victims of mass
>>> executions
>>> (mostly in the occupied USSR), and losses in the ghettos.
>>> Are you a Holocaust denier, Giwer? It does fit your profile.
>> There is no point in going further than none of five people who claimed
>> to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
>> cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
> So what were the cans doing there?
What do you think of the fallacy of assuming the conclusion?
> On 02/05/2012 04:00, Matt Giwer wrote:
>> On 5/1/2012 3:59 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>>> In article<4f9f40b3$0$9766$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was introduced
>>>> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
>>>> number of Hoess
>>> No, the number (5.7 million actually) was based on population stats.
>>> Later analysis also considered the number of victims in the camps
>>> (Auschwitz and Treblinka being the "leaders"), victims of mass
>>> executions
>>> (mostly in the occupied USSR), and losses in the ghettos.
>>> Are you a Holocaust denier, Giwer? It does fit your profile.
>> There is no point in going further than none of five people who claimed
>> to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
>> cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
> So what were the cans doing there?
What do you think cans of pesticide were doing there?
Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 6:25:04 PM5/2/12
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On 5/2/2012 3:39 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
> On 02/05/2012 04:43, Matt Giwer wrote:
>> On 5/1/2012 3:48 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> ...
>>> And just out of curiosity -- do there exist any autopsies
>>> proving that someone in Dresden or Hamburg died as a result
>>> of fire?
>> As with your nonsense about 9/11, do you really believe there were tens
>> of thousands of death certificates issued without giving a cause of
>> death?
>> The first forensic pathology report proving murder was by means of
>> autopsy to show the cyanide in the body in quantities to cause death. It
>> was also the inspiration for Arthur Conan Doyle to create Sherlock
>> Holmes. There are several causes of death which are outwardly similar to
>> cyanide poisoning so an autopsy is necessary to separate those from
>> murder.
>> You really could have googled it.
> Like they may have been penned in the "showers" and simply died of
> suffocation. In this case they would still have been deliberately killed
> by Nazis, or anyway by people who had aced a safer job than fighting in
> the front line.
> On 02/05/2012 04:43, Matt Giwer wrote:
>> On 5/1/2012 3:48 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> ...
>>> And just out of curiosity -- do there exist any autopsies
>>> proving that someone in Dresden or Hamburg died as a result
>>> of fire?
>> As with your nonsense about 9/11, do you really believe there were tens
>> of thousands of death certificates issued without giving a cause of
>> death?
>> The first forensic pathology report proving murder was by means of
>> autopsy to show the cyanide in the body in quantities to cause death. It
>> was also the inspiration for Arthur Conan Doyle to create Sherlock
>> Holmes. There are several causes of death which are outwardly similar to
>> cyanide poisoning so an autopsy is necessary to separate those from
>> murder.
>> You really could have googled it.
> Like they may have been penned in the "showers" and simply died of
> suffocation. In this case they would still have been deliberately killed
> by Nazis, or anyway by people who had aced a safer job than fighting in
> the front line.
There is no point in going further than none of five people who claimed
to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
Although you can find a very old and ignored shower story from
to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
Birkenau, the currently popular shower story is from Dachau not
Auschwitz. You know the sinister shower with the stolen copper pipes.
Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 6:26:19 PM5/2/12
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Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 6:34:05 PM5/2/12
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transport from Auschwitz you don't have jack.
Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 6:38:57 PM5/2/12
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On 5/2/2012 1:02 AM, Poetic Justice wrote:
Poetic Justice
May 2, 2012, 6:46:14 PM5/2/12
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>They don't know where the ashes were
>transported to and dumped,
Neil H. wrote;
>transported to and dumped,
>Actually, huge amounts of burned human
>remains were found in some of the camps
>and other mass murder sites, most
>recently in the Treblinka excavations.
no foul:-).
Your 2012 article is also supported by the 1999 website article I've
been posting (excerpt below).
So combine the 2 and they have physical evidence now, along with an
original paper trail and a 1st hand account from Camp Commandant who
also admits to "gassed prisoners".
>http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/01/
>6/mass-graves-at-nazi-death-camp-trebli
>ka-holocaust_n_1208814.html
www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/
"Just as with Auschwitz, the most incriminating evidence was destroyed.
However, recent excavations on the site of the Belzec extermination camp
by an archaeological team revealed mass graves of thousands of bodies
that the Germans did not incinerate, as well as ashes of incinerated
bodies. [195]
Another document that has come to light recently is a daily report from
the military commander in the General Government, an administrative unit
in German occupied Poland, from October 1942 about Treblinka.
The report states:
Supreme Command ... informs that the Jews in Treblinka are not
adequately buried and that, as a result, an unbearable body stench
befouls the air. [196]***
Treblinka camp commandant Franz Stangl testified at his trial that dead
bodies were excavated at the beginning of 1943 to be burned along with
those of recently gassed prisoners".
[***196. Photocopy of the report dated October 24, 1942 at
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/
camps/aktion.reinhard/treblinka/images/ostrow2.jpg.
I am grateful to Dan Keren for calling this document to my attention.
Dr. Keren thanks the Militararchiv in Frieburg for providing him with a
copy, Dr. Ulrich Roessler for calling this document to his attention and
Gord McFee for translating the document.] Regards, Walter
Poetic Justice
May 2, 2012, 8:10:34 PM5/2/12
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Matt Giwer wrote;
>There is no point in going further than
>none of five people who claimed to have
>observed death by cyanide described the
>pathology of death by cyanide so there is
>reason at all to take the story seriously.
You're *absolutely right* as with this SS Doctor, he doesn't even
mention cyanide in the *human* gas chambers just "gassing".
They enter alive and are then "gassed" and die.
I guess it just never occured to him and countless others to don a
gasmask and enter with them so they could then have "observed death by
cyanide described the pathology of death by cyanide".
www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19420901-kremer/
Diary of Johann Paul Kremer
September 1-5, 1942
This document is one page from the most famous "insider" views of the
Nazi extermination process: the diary of SS Dr. Johann Paul Kremer.
Dr. Kremer arrived at Auschwitz on August 30, 1942, where he replaced a
doctor who had fallen sick.
His diary is remarkable not only for its explicit mentions of the
gassing process, but for the way which Kremer continues to relate the
everyday things one might find in any diary: where he lunched, what he
ate, what films he saw, etc.
This diary page covers only five days, and includes his first
witnessing of a "special action" (gassing).
[excerpt]
"For the first time, at 3:00 A.M. outside, attended a special action.
Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't
call Auschwitz the camp of annihilation for nothing!"
"After the war, Dr. Kremer testified about his diary. An extract
is found in "The Good Old Days", p. 258:
Particularly unpleasant was the gassing of the emaciated women from the
women's camp, who were generally known as 'Muslims'.
I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups of
women. I cannot say how big the group was. When I got close to the
bunker [I saw] them sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As
they were wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the
undressing hut but made to undress in the open air.
I concluded from the behaviour of these women that they had no doubt
what fate awaited them, as they begged and pleaded to the SS men to
spare them their lives.
However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had a lot
of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that day was like
nothing I had ever seen before.
Still completely shocked by what I had seen I wrote in my diary on 5
September 1942: 'The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharführer Thilo
was right when he said to me today that this is the anus mundi', the
anal orifice of the world. I used this image because I could not imagine
anything more disgusting and horrific".
SS-Doctor Kremer at a hearing on 18 July 1947 in Cracow
>There is no point in going further than
>none of five people who claimed to have
>observed death by cyanide described the
>pathology of death by cyanide so there is
>reason at all to take the story seriously.
mention cyanide in the *human* gas chambers just "gassing".
They enter alive and are then "gassed" and die.
I guess it just never occured to him and countless others to don a
gasmask and enter with them so they could then have "observed death by
cyanide described the pathology of death by cyanide".
www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19420901-kremer/
Diary of Johann Paul Kremer
September 1-5, 1942
This document is one page from the most famous "insider" views of the
Nazi extermination process: the diary of SS Dr. Johann Paul Kremer.
Dr. Kremer arrived at Auschwitz on August 30, 1942, where he replaced a
doctor who had fallen sick.
His diary is remarkable not only for its explicit mentions of the
gassing process, but for the way which Kremer continues to relate the
everyday things one might find in any diary: where he lunched, what he
ate, what films he saw, etc.
This diary page covers only five days, and includes his first
witnessing of a "special action" (gassing).
[excerpt]
"For the first time, at 3:00 A.M. outside, attended a special action.
Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't
call Auschwitz the camp of annihilation for nothing!"
"After the war, Dr. Kremer testified about his diary. An extract
is found in "The Good Old Days", p. 258:
Particularly unpleasant was the gassing of the emaciated women from the
women's camp, who were generally known as 'Muslims'.
I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups of
women. I cannot say how big the group was. When I got close to the
bunker [I saw] them sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As
they were wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the
undressing hut but made to undress in the open air.
I concluded from the behaviour of these women that they had no doubt
what fate awaited them, as they begged and pleaded to the SS men to
spare them their lives.
However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had a lot
of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that day was like
nothing I had ever seen before.
Still completely shocked by what I had seen I wrote in my diary on 5
September 1942: 'The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharführer Thilo
was right when he said to me today that this is the anus mundi', the
anal orifice of the world. I used this image because I could not imagine
anything more disgusting and horrific".
SS-Doctor Kremer at a hearing on 18 July 1947 in Cracow
Poetic Justice
May 2, 2012, 9:07:42 PM5/2/12
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Martin Edwards wrote;
>...or anyway by people who had aced a
5 cigarettes, 100 g salami and bread, the men all clamor to take part in
such actions" (i.e. gas chamber duty).
www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19420901-kremer/
So much for "I was just following orders" in this military duty.
Regards, Walter
..And Paradise Was Lost...like teardrops in the rain...
>Like they may have been penned in the
>"showers" and simply died of suffocation.
>In this case they would still have been
>deliberately killed by Nazis,...
>"showers" and simply died of suffocation.
>In this case they would still have been
>...or anyway by people who had aced a
>safer job than fighting in the front line.
"Because of the special rations they get a fifth of a liter of schnapps,
5 cigarettes, 100 g salami and bread, the men all clamor to take part in
such actions" (i.e. gas chamber duty).
www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19420901-kremer/
So much for "I was just following orders" in this military duty.
Regards, Walter
..And Paradise Was Lost...like teardrops in the rain...
Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 9:23:11 PM5/2/12
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On 5/2/2012 1:02 AM, Poetic Justice wrote:
Disposal of bodies is meaningless of you don't have the bodies in the
first place. The perfect crime, the mystery fan's holy grail. And here
you have millions of perfect crimes.
Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 9:30:40 PM5/2/12
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When they establish 2000 tons which is 3500 cubic yards solely of HUMAN
bone fragments you be sure to get back to skeptics with evidence of the
cause of death.
Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 9:31:44 PM5/2/12
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Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 9:44:29 PM5/2/12
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discovered not one single holohugger website carries what you know is
easy to find.
I suggest you get back to the person who lied to you about it being
easy to find and have him show it to you.
In the mean time stop trying to bullshit me.
The only reason Jews love their holy holocaust is so they can murder
Palestinians and force the survivors to live under a tyrannical, jewish,
military dictatorship. It is a profitable and sadistic thing to pretend
to belief. The holodile tears never cease flowing.
Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 9:47:07 PM5/2/12
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imagined cause of death. Why should I stop remind you holohuggers you
have bupkis?
Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 9:53:22 PM5/2/12
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was any mass murder by cyanide. You have not a single witness to death
by cyanide. You have no autopsy showing death by cyanide. You have
absolutely nothing to support your silly belief.
Why would I bother addressing your baseless fantasies about cyanide
when it exists only in your fevered fantasies?
As a favor I did address some general reasons why you might harbor this
fantasy. It appears you did not appreciate it. Believe what you want.
Just don't expect to go along with your delusions.
Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 9:59:48 PM5/2/12
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On 5/2/2012 3:37 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
> On 02/05/2012 06:17, Neil H. wrote:
>> In article<4fa09f4a$0$10550$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/1/2012 3:48 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>>
>>>> Since the gassings (obviously) took place while the SS was
>>>> in command of the camps, why would they want to conduct
>>>> autopsies? You think they did not know the cause of death?
>>
>> Why didn't you answer this, Giwer?
>>
>>>> And just out of curiosity -- do there exist any autopsies
>>>> proving that someone in Dresden or Hamburg died as a result
>>>> of fire?
>>
>>> If you do not have a cause of death you don't have jack.
>>
>> Then you must also deny the deaths in German cities which
>> occurred as a result of Allied bombing raids? Or did you
>> find these autopsies from Dresden and Hamburg which indeed
>> prove that these people died as a result of Allied bombing?
>>
>> Neil.
>
> One of my teachers actually aimed the bombs. Of course he did not know
> for sure that anyone was killed. When he went back after the war, the
> family he had lodged with before said there were deaths, but of course
> they may have been making it up.
Are you telling me you yourself actually believe the tens of thousands
> On 02/05/2012 06:17, Neil H. wrote:
>> In article<4fa09f4a$0$10550$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/1/2012 3:48 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>>
>>>> Since the gassings (obviously) took place while the SS was
>>>> in command of the camps, why would they want to conduct
>>>> autopsies? You think they did not know the cause of death?
>>
>> Why didn't you answer this, Giwer?
>>
>>>> And just out of curiosity -- do there exist any autopsies
>>>> proving that someone in Dresden or Hamburg died as a result
>>>> of fire?
>>
>>> If you do not have a cause of death you don't have jack.
>>
>> Then you must also deny the deaths in German cities which
>> occurred as a result of Allied bombing raids? Or did you
>> find these autopsies from Dresden and Hamburg which indeed
>> prove that these people died as a result of Allied bombing?
>>
>> Neil.
>
> One of my teachers actually aimed the bombs. Of course he did not know
> for sure that anyone was killed. When he went back after the war, the
> family he had lodged with before said there were deaths, but of course
> they may have been making it up.
even hundreds of thousands of death certificated issued for those two
cities did not list a cause of death? Are you suggesting no death
certificates were issued or that the COD line was left blank? How do you
know this?
Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 10:14:56 PM5/2/12
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There is no point in going further than none of five people who claimed
to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
You make a claim you establish the claim with physical evidence. This
to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
is not majority rule any more than the Septuagint is other than intended
as fiction because a majority think otherwise.
Make your case one step at a time just as is required in a court of law
for a single case of murder.
Matt Giwer
May 2, 2012, 10:43:54 PM5/2/12
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On 5/2/2012 8:10 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
> Matt Giwer wrote;
>> There is no point in going further than
>> none of five people who claimed to have
>> observed death by cyanide described the
>> pathology of death by cyanide so there is
>> reason at all to take the story seriously.
> You're *absolutely right* as with this SS Doctor, he doesn't even
> mention cyanide in the *human* gas chambers just "gassing".
> They enter alive and are then "gassed" and die.
> I guess it just never occured to him and countless others to don a
> gasmask and enter with them so they could then have "observed death by
> cyanide described the pathology of death by cyanide".
> www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19420901-kremer/
The link has this.
> Matt Giwer wrote;
>> There is no point in going further than
>> none of five people who claimed to have
>> observed death by cyanide described the
>> pathology of death by cyanide so there is
>> reason at all to take the story seriously.
> You're *absolutely right* as with this SS Doctor, he doesn't even
> mention cyanide in the *human* gas chambers just "gassing".
> They enter alive and are then "gassed" and die.
> I guess it just never occured to him and countless others to don a
> gasmask and enter with them so they could then have "observed death by
> cyanide described the pathology of death by cyanide".
> www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19420901-kremer/
Von Berlin schriftlich Führermütze, Koppel und Hosenträger angefordert.
Nachmittags bei der Vergasung eines Blocks mit Zyclon B gegen die Läuse.
That documents the use of Zyclon B gegen die Läuse, against the lice,
the proper use of the pesticide Zyclon B as I said.
this then you endorse every trial ever held in communist Poland. Think
carefully before you selectively endorse only those things which you
want to believe. For the I categorically reject any trial conducted
under any communist government without good cause to think otherwise.
This it not to blame it all on communism. Poland leaped directly from
despotic rule by petty nobility to rule by military dictatorship. They
knew how to hold trials long before they had communists methods to draw
upon.
So we have a communist trial on one hand and a confirmation of the use
of cyanide against lice.
The bottom line is still the same. You have evidenciary basis to claim
there was mass murder by cyanide.
You have however produced evidence of cyanide as a pesticide and of
communists always getting the testimony they want at trial.
Neil H.
May 3, 2012, 12:17:26 AM5/3/12
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In article <4fa1b66b$0$4646$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
[spam]
A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was
conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists, headed by
Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland, who is the
author of more than 130 papers on archaeology. The team studied the site
of the death camp, drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
samples. The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA:
"BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES.
Excavations 1997-1999". ISBN 83-905590-6-4). The study has recovered
human remains over a very large area, to a depth of up to six meters.
The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
[spam]
A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was
conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists, headed by
Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland, who is the
author of more than 130 papers on archaeology. The team studied the site
of the death camp, drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
samples. The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA:
"BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES.
Excavations 1997-1999". ISBN 83-905590-6-4). The study has recovered
human remains over a very large area, to a depth of up to six meters.
The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
Neil.
Neil H.
May 3, 2012, 12:18:46 AM5/3/12
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In article <4fa1de0c$0$4382$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas
chambers can be found in
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
Mass graves found at Nazi camp
Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
death camp in north-eastern Poland.
The research team, which began its government-sponsored investigation
in the summer, said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
</quote>
Neil.
A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas
chambers can be found in
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
Mass graves found at Nazi camp
Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
death camp in north-eastern Poland.
The research team, which began its government-sponsored investigation
in the summer, said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
</quote>
Neil.
Neil H.
May 3, 2012, 12:27:02 AM5/3/12
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In article <4fa1e30b$0$19032$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> On 5/2/2012 1:10 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> These are easy to find. Start with the conclusions of the
>> Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry. There are, of course,
>> numerous other sources.
> You know they are easy to find yet you cannot find them.
Try Google. If you don't succeed in a week, ask for help.
> On 5/2/2012 1:10 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> These are easy to find. Start with the conclusions of the
>> Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry. There are, of course,
>> numerous other sources.
> You know they are easy to find yet you cannot find them.
Neil.
Neil H.
May 3, 2012, 12:31:36 AM5/3/12
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In article <4fa1f0f8$0$22113$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> Yes, Cracow, 1947, a show trial in communist Poland.
Er, Prof. Kremer's diary was written in 1942.
> Yes, Cracow, 1947, a show trial in communist Poland.
And the following was written in 1943. The most pertinent
part marked, to make it easier for you to concentrate:
"The accused shall not be punished because of the actions
against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although
the accused should have recognized that the extermination of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the Jews was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
for this purpose, he should be excused for considering himself
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
to have the authority to take part in the extermination of Jewry
himself." -- from the verdict of the Supreme SS and Police Court,
in the case of SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner, 24 of May 1943.
Quoted from "The Good Old Days", E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess,
The Free Press, NY, 1988, pages 196-207.
Neil.
Neil H.
May 3, 2012, 12:35:44 AM5/3/12
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In article <4fa1e6a2$0$18267$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
where are the autopsies?? Don't tell me you cannot produce
the autopsies proving the cause of death in Dresden and
Hamburg was Allied bombing raids? And the ashes?? Where
are the ashes, Giwer?
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> Are you telling me you yourself actually believe the tens
> of thousands even hundreds of thousands of death certificated
> issued for those two cities did not list a cause of death?
Jesus Christ. What "death certificated"? And where oh
> Are you telling me you yourself actually believe the tens
> of thousands even hundreds of thousands of death certificated
> issued for those two cities did not list a cause of death?
where are the autopsies?? Don't tell me you cannot produce
the autopsies proving the cause of death in Dresden and
Hamburg was Allied bombing raids? And the ashes?? Where
are the ashes, Giwer?
Neil.
Neil H.
May 3, 2012, 12:44:44 AM5/3/12
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In article <4fa1e520$0$4728$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> On 5/2/2012 1:17 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> Then you must also deny the deaths in German cities which
>> occurred as a result of Allied bombing raids? Or did you
>> find these autopsies from Dresden and Hamburg which indeed
>> prove that these people died as a result of Allied bombing?
You keep avoiding this question. Where are these autopsies?
> On 5/2/2012 1:17 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> Then you must also deny the deaths in German cities which
>> occurred as a result of Allied bombing raids? Or did you
>> find these autopsies from Dresden and Hamburg which indeed
>> prove that these people died as a result of Allied bombing?
Please produce them, or admit that according to your logic(?)
the bombing of German cities is a hoax. It's that simple.
> There is absolutely no reason for any rational person
> to believe there was any mass murder by cyanide.
crematorium:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Vergasungkeller.shtml
A document which mentions a "gas chamber" in an Auschwitz-Birkenau
crematorium:
http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0499.htm
A document requesting cyanide gas detectors for an Auschwitz-Birkenau
crematorium:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Gas-Detector.shtml
SS labor deployment report, listing 870 workers in the Auschwitz-
Birkenau crematoriums:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/aug2-3.shtml
A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas chambers:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
In a memo written on September 8 1942, Kurt Prufer of the
firm "Topf and Sons" stated that Auschwitz officials are not
satisfied with a cremation capacity of 2,650 corpses per day,
and "we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible".
Source: http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
This small sample of the evidence is taken from a post to
alt.revisionism by Ronald Jacobson.
Neil.
Martin Edwards
May 3, 2012, 3:38:32 AM5/3/12
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Martin Edwards
May 3, 2012, 3:40:38 AM5/3/12
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On 02/05/2012 23:21, Matt Giwer wrote:
> On 5/2/2012 3:33 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
>> On 02/05/2012 04:00, Matt Giwer wrote:
>>> On 5/1/2012 3:59 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>>>> In article<4f9f40b3$0$9766$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was
>>>>> introduced
>>>>> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
>>>>> number of Hoess
>>>> No, the number (5.7 million actually) was based on population stats.
>>>> Later analysis also considered the number of victims in the camps
>>>> (Auschwitz and Treblinka being the "leaders"), victims of mass
>>>> executions
>>>> (mostly in the occupied USSR), and losses in the ghettos.
>>>> Are you a Holocaust denier, Giwer? It does fit your profile.
>>> There is no point in going further than none of five people who claimed
>>> to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
>>> cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
>
>> So what were the cans doing there?
>
> What do you think of the fallacy of assuming the conclusion?
>
Not much. Next question.
> On 5/2/2012 3:33 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
>> On 02/05/2012 04:00, Matt Giwer wrote:
>>> On 5/1/2012 3:59 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>>>> In article<4f9f40b3$0$9766$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was
>>>>> introduced
>>>>> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
>>>>> number of Hoess
>>>> No, the number (5.7 million actually) was based on population stats.
>>>> Later analysis also considered the number of victims in the camps
>>>> (Auschwitz and Treblinka being the "leaders"), victims of mass
>>>> executions
>>>> (mostly in the occupied USSR), and losses in the ghettos.
>>>> Are you a Holocaust denier, Giwer? It does fit your profile.
>>> There is no point in going further than none of five people who claimed
>>> to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
>>> cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
>
>> So what were the cans doing there?
>
> What do you think of the fallacy of assuming the conclusion?
>
Martin Edwards
May 3, 2012, 3:42:06 AM5/3/12
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was not on trial.
Martin Edwards
May 3, 2012, 3:46:25 AM5/3/12
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On 03/05/2012 02:59, Matt Giwer wrote:
>
> Are you telling me you yourself actually believe the tens of thousands
> even hundreds of thousands of death certificated issued for those two
> cities did not list a cause of death? Are you suggesting no death
> certificates were issued or that the COD line was left blank? How do you
> know this?
I don't and come to think of it, I regret being flippant about such a
>
> Are you telling me you yourself actually believe the tens of thousands
> even hundreds of thousands of death certificated issued for those two
> cities did not list a cause of death? Are you suggesting no death
> certificates were issued or that the COD line was left blank? How do you
> know this?
serious subject. You are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
Americans, you are dealing with Americans,
....................................
Martin Edwards
May 3, 2012, 3:50:01 AM5/3/12
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On 02/05/2012 23:25, Matt Giwer wrote:
>
> There is no point in going further than none of five people who claimed
> to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
> cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
>
> Although you can find a very old and ignored shower story from Birkenau,
>
> There is no point in going further than none of five people who claimed
> to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
> cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
>
> the currently popular shower story is from Dachau not Auschwitz. You
> know the sinister shower with the stolen copper pipes.
Dachau was not an extermination camp and, in fact, many of the first
prisoners were let off and even fought in the war. It was in the state
it was when it was liberated because the system had broken down. My
first point was a joke, there I go again.
JTEM
May 3, 2012, 4:52:09 AM5/3/12
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Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
> poisoning.
So what are you afraid of? Make the argument! Go on record!
Coward.
> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
> poisoning.
So what are you afraid of? Make the argument! Go on record!
Coward.
JTEM
May 3, 2012, 4:51:04 AM5/3/12
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Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> When you idiots have an autopsy identifying cyanide as a cause of death
> you be sure to get back to me.
If that's your argument, go with it!
What are you afraid of, besides the truth?
> When you idiots have an autopsy identifying cyanide as a cause of death
> you be sure to get back to me.
If that's your argument, go with it!
What are you afraid of, besides the truth?
JTEM
May 3, 2012, 4:55:03 AM5/3/12
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Dennis <tsalagi18NOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It's a bit difficult to do an autopsy after cremation of the corpse. :-)
It's more obvious than that.
HINT: Going by Giwer's "Autopsy" criteria, the Battle of Kursk
was never fought. After all, you can't produce a single
autopsy performed on anyone who supposedly died at this
imaginary battle....
The funny thing is, there were actual autopsies performed by
the the U.S. military. None of the death camps were inside of
Germany, and virtually everybody they autopsied died late in
the war... hadn't been cremated....
> It's a bit difficult to do an autopsy after cremation of the corpse. :-)
It's more obvious than that.
HINT: Going by Giwer's "Autopsy" criteria, the Battle of Kursk
was never fought. After all, you can't produce a single
autopsy performed on anyone who supposedly died at this
imaginary battle....
The funny thing is, there were actual autopsies performed by
the the U.S. military. None of the death camps were inside of
Germany, and virtually everybody they autopsied died late in
the war... hadn't been cremated....
JTEM
May 3, 2012, 4:56:19 AM5/3/12
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Speaking of which, if you're so sure of yourself, submit to
the interview!
What's the matter? Afraid?
Of course you are....
the interview!
What's the matter? Afraid?
Of course you are....
JTEM
May 3, 2012, 5:02:50 AM5/3/12
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Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> When you produce the population census numbers or actuarially sound
> source of numbers WITH citation of source that were used in October
> 1945,
NOTE: The Nazis themselves produced such numbers, BEFORE
> When you produce the population census numbers or actuarially sound
> source of numbers WITH citation of source that were used in October
> 1945,
1945. Here is that Nazi estimate:
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz7zzqKyq61qz9tkeo1_r1_500.jpg
NOTE II: Giwer rejects that Nazi estimates in favor of a completely
uncited claim of some 9 million Jews in Europe. He cherry picks the
absolute bottom. Typical.
JTEM
May 3, 2012, 5:03:56 AM5/3/12
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Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> You know they are easy to find yet you cannot find them.
You found them many times yourself, yet are unable to see them.
> You know they are easy to find yet you cannot find them.
Here are the Nazi's own working numbers:
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz7zzqKyq61qz9tkeo1_r1_500.jpg
JTEM
May 3, 2012, 5:07:17 AM5/3/12
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Then you should be confident of victory, and consent to
the interview. But we all know for a fact that you will be
made a fool. That, the best arguments you can muster
will be torn to shreds, and you will be exposed as a
fraud.
There is no other reason for you to flee like this.
the interview. But we all know for a fact that you will be
made a fool. That, the best arguments you can muster
will be torn to shreds, and you will be exposed as a
fraud.
There is no other reason for you to flee like this.
Bill
May 3, 2012, 5:26:05 AM5/3/12
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In article <cd2f8dac-61cf-4c6c-a4dc-00e63e9834d6
@m10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, jte...@gmail.com says...
Now 'why is he afraid of Jews' is another question.
--
William Black
When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
time to leave.
@m10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, jte...@gmail.com says...
>
> Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> > As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
> > poisoning.
>
> So what are you afraid of?
Reasonably obviously, Jews.
> Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> > As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
> > poisoning.
>
> So what are you afraid of?
Now 'why is he afraid of Jews' is another question.
--
William Black
When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
time to leave.
Poetic Justice
May 3, 2012, 7:08:19 PM5/3/12
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>Yes, Cracow, 1947, a show trial in
>communist Poland. If you endorse this
>then you endorse every trial ever held in
>communist Poland. Think carefully before
>you selectively endorse only those things
>which you want to believe. For the I
>categorically reject any trial conducted
>under any communist government without
>good cause to think otherwise.
Martin Edwards wrote;
>communist Poland. If you endorse this
>then you endorse every trial ever held in
>communist Poland. Think carefully before
>you selectively endorse only those things
>which you want to believe. For the I
>categorically reject any trial conducted
>under any communist government without
>good cause to think otherwise.
>A fair point, but the testimony from Hoess
>was at Nuremburg, where he was not on
>trial.
I'm sure you don't think they made him make-up his entire war diary
during his imprisonment for evidence?
And that it is an authetic?
Esp if they didn't need any evidence to convict him to begin with so why
bother.
Anyway 41 Auschwitz SS men and woman were tried at Cracow in 1947, it
doesn't sound to me like they got a bad deal from the Communists in
Poland for Nazi SS soldiers running a death camp.
Of course they would have scored far better at Nuremburg but life isn't
fair:-).
"The Supreme National Tribunal issued 23 death sentences, and 17
imprisonments ranging from life sentences to 3 years. One person was
acquitted".
Regards, Walter
Martin Edwards
May 4, 2012, 2:33:26 AM5/4/12
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On 03/05/2012 10:26, Bill wrote:
> In article<cd2f8dac-61cf-4c6c-a4dc-00e63e9834d6
> @m10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, jte...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
>>> poisoning.
>>
>> So what are you afraid of?
>
> Reasonably obviously, Jews.
>
> Now 'why is he afraid of Jews' is another question.
>
>
There is an interesting prallel with Hitler. When he first saw an
> In article<cd2f8dac-61cf-4c6c-a4dc-00e63e9834d6
> @m10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, jte...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
>>> poisoning.
>>
>> So what are you afraid of?
>
> Reasonably obviously, Jews.
>
> Now 'why is he afraid of Jews' is another question.
>
>
Orthodox Jew in the full rig, he was shocked, apparently they did not
look like that in Linz. Perhaps there was some associated trauma that
he does not mention.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 2:39:41 AM5/4/12
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On 5/4/2012 2:33 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
> On 03/05/2012 10:26, Bill wrote:
>> In article<cd2f8dac-61cf-4c6c-a4dc-00e63e9834d6
>> @m10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, jte...@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
>>>> poisoning.
>>>
>>> So what are you afraid of?
>>
>> Reasonably obviously, Jews.
>>
>> Now 'why is he afraid of Jews' is another question.
>>
>>
> There is an interesting prallel with Hitler. When he first saw an
> Orthodox Jew in the full rig, he was shocked, apparently they did not
> look like that in Linz. Perhaps there was some associated trauma that he
> does not mention.
The more interesting fact is the Nazi view of the Ashkenazi Jew was a
> On 03/05/2012 10:26, Bill wrote:
>> In article<cd2f8dac-61cf-4c6c-a4dc-00e63e9834d6
>> @m10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, jte...@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
>>>> poisoning.
>>>
>>> So what are you afraid of?
>>
>> Reasonably obviously, Jews.
>>
>> Now 'why is he afraid of Jews' is another question.
>>
>>
> There is an interesting prallel with Hitler. When he first saw an
> Orthodox Jew in the full rig, he was shocked, apparently they did not
> look like that in Linz. Perhaps there was some associated trauma that he
> does not mention.
toned down version of the view of the Sephardic Jews. The Sepherdim
viewed the Ashkenazi as a direct threat to their successful assimilation
starting with Napoleon.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 2:47:10 AM5/4/12
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channeler.
Produce the fucking autopsies.
Feel free to make it up because I have read the summaries of all the
forensic pathologists attached the US Army in Europe during the war.
Quick question, fantasist. How many forensic pathologists were there
attached to the US Army? It is a simple answer. The answer is a obvious
as the nose on your face.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 2:48:19 AM5/4/12
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Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 2:48:44 AM5/4/12
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Neil H.
May 4, 2012, 2:51:18 AM5/4/12
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In article <4fa37b83$0$4646$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> Produce the fucking autopsies.
Of the alleged victims of "Allied bombing" in Dresden
and Hamburg? When *will* you produce them, or admit
that, according to your "logic", the bombing raids
are a hoax?
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> Produce the fucking autopsies.
Of the alleged victims of "Allied bombing" in Dresden
and Hamburg? When *will* you produce them, or admit
that, according to your "logic", the bombing raids
are a hoax?
Neil.
Neil H.
May 4, 2012, 2:52:25 AM5/4/12
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In article <4fa37bc7$0$4646$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> On 5/3/2012 12:17 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was
>> conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists, headed by
>> Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland, who is the
>> author of more than 130 papers on archaeology. The team studied the site
>> of the death camp, drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
>> samples. The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA:
>> "BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES.
>> Excavations 1997-1999". ISBN 83-905590-6-4). The study has recovered
>> human remains over a very large area, to a depth of up to six meters.
>> The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
> On 5/3/2012 12:17 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was
>> conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists, headed by
>> Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland, who is the
>> author of more than 130 papers on archaeology. The team studied the site
>> of the death camp, drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
>> samples. The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA:
>> "BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES.
>> Excavations 1997-1999". ISBN 83-905590-6-4). The study has recovered
>> human remains over a very large area, to a depth of up to six meters.
>> The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
> There is no point in going further
Just address the evidence, please.
Neil.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 2:53:32 AM5/4/12
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your real opinion. After all these years, do you really think I care
about what people think of me or my positions? Do you really think I
care about being insulted?
I do care about reading honest and informed replies. Instead, you have
been polite. What a fucking waste.
Neil H.
May 4, 2012, 2:54:09 AM5/4/12
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In article <4fa37be1$0$4646$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
(spam snipped)
You have failed to address the evidence. Here it is again:
A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas
chambers can be found in
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
death camps are provided below:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
Mass graves found at Nazi camp
Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
death camp in north-eastern Poland.
The research team, which began its government-sponsored investigation
in the summer, said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
</quote>
A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was
conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists, headed by
Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland, who is the
author of more than 130 papers on archaeology. The team studied the site
of the death camp, drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
samples. The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA:
"BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES.
Excavations 1997-1999". ISBN 83-905590-6-4). The study has recovered
human remains over a very large area, to a depth of up to six meters.
The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
Neil.
conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists, headed by
Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland, who is the
author of more than 130 papers on archaeology. The team studied the site
of the death camp, drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
samples. The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA:
"BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES.
Excavations 1997-1999". ISBN 83-905590-6-4). The study has recovered
human remains over a very large area, to a depth of up to six meters.
The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
Neil H.
May 4, 2012, 2:58:39 AM5/4/12
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In article <4fa379c2$0$19032$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
remarks about Jews? It is some kind of neurosis. Would
you still suffer from it, had your life not been a complete
and total failure?
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> The more interesting fact is the Nazi view of the Ashkenazi Jew
> was a toned down version of the view of the Sephardic Jews.
Why do you have to keep posting these horribly silly
> The more interesting fact is the Nazi view of the Ashkenazi Jew
> was a toned down version of the view of the Sephardic Jews.
remarks about Jews? It is some kind of neurosis. Would
you still suffer from it, had your life not been a complete
and total failure?
Neil.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 2:58:25 AM5/4/12
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On 5/3/2012 12:27 AM, Neil H. wrote:
> In article<4fa1e30b$0$19032$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/2/2012 1:10 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>
>>> These are easy to find. Start with the conclusions of the
>>> Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry. There are, of course,
>>> numerous other sources.
You can demonstrate you are not a liar by posting the search terms and
the results.
More interestingly given that there are no search terms to give any
result you claim I can assume you are not lying. That leaves you as
delusional.
Your delusions aside your holy holocaustic is really nothing more than
a license to murder Palestinians as you Jews love to do.
In fact you Jews love to compare what you are doing to the genocide of
the Indians.
Obviously the stereotype of the smart Jew is absurd.
> In article<4fa1e30b$0$19032$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/2/2012 1:10 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>
>>> These are easy to find. Start with the conclusions of the
>>> Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry. There are, of course,
>>> numerous other sources.
>
>> You know they are easy to find yet you cannot find them.
>
> Try Google. If you don't succeed in a week, ask for help.
>> You know they are easy to find yet you cannot find them.
>
You can demonstrate you are not a liar by posting the search terms and
the results.
More interestingly given that there are no search terms to give any
result you claim I can assume you are not lying. That leaves you as
delusional.
Your delusions aside your holy holocaustic is really nothing more than
a license to murder Palestinians as you Jews love to do.
In fact you Jews love to compare what you are doing to the genocide of
the Indians.
Obviously the stereotype of the smart Jew is absurd.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 2:59:25 AM5/4/12
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Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:02:58 AM5/4/12
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by any cause.
Anyone who looks at population data as evidence of extermination is
clearly not living in the same reality as the rest of us.
"Here is their baseline therefore they exterminated."
Please explain how that makes sense in any reality.
Neil H.
May 4, 2012, 3:03:48 AM5/4/12
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In article <4fa37e26$0$30816$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> On 5/3/2012 12:27 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> Try Google. If you don't succeed in a week, ask for help.
> You can demonstrate you are not a liar by posting the
> search terms and the results.
Feh. Don't tell us you could not find it on Google? No one
> On 5/3/2012 12:27 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> Try Google. If you don't succeed in a week, ask for help.
> You can demonstrate you are not a liar by posting the
> search terms and the results.
can be *that* stupid!
(some insane rants about moi, Jews, and Palestinians
mercifully given the snip)
Neil.
Neil H.
May 4, 2012, 3:06:36 AM5/4/12
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In article <4fa37e62$0$30816$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> No deaths there.
Read it again.
Neil.
Neil H.
May 4, 2012, 3:12:40 AM5/4/12
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In article <4fa37f36$0$30816$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
of the numbers involved:
In a memo written on September 8 1942, Kurt Prufer of the
firm "Topf and Sons" stated that Auschwitz officials are not
satisfied with a cremation capacity of 2,650 corpses per day,
and "we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible".
Source: http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
> Anyone who looks at population data as evidence of
> extermination is clearly not living in the same reality
> as the rest of us.
That is a rather strange (well, stupid actually) statement.
Population stats are a very reliable indication of extermination;
actually, your "revisionist" cohorts routinely try and use
them to prove that many Germans died during and after WW2.
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> And in reply with data you give nothing that remotely
> relates to deaths by any cause.
The following should provide you with an understanding
> And in reply with data you give nothing that remotely
> relates to deaths by any cause.
of the numbers involved:
In a memo written on September 8 1942, Kurt Prufer of the
firm "Topf and Sons" stated that Auschwitz officials are not
satisfied with a cremation capacity of 2,650 corpses per day,
and "we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible".
Source: http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
> Anyone who looks at population data as evidence of
> extermination is clearly not living in the same reality
> as the rest of us.
Population stats are a very reliable indication of extermination;
actually, your "revisionist" cohorts routinely try and use
them to prove that many Germans died during and after WW2.
Neil.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:16:16 AM5/4/12
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On 5/3/2012 3:42 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
> On 03/05/2012 03:43, Matt Giwer wrote:
>> On 5/2/2012 8:10 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
>>> Matt Giwer wrote;
>>> mention cyanide in the *human* gas chambers just "gassing".
>>
>>> They enter alive and are then "gassed" and die.
>>
>>> I guess it just never occured to him and countless others to don a
>>> gasmask and enter with them so they could then have "observed death by
>>> cyanide described the pathology of death by cyanide".
>>
>>> www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19420901-kremer/
>>
>> The link has this.
>>
>> Von Berlin schriftlich Führermütze, Koppel und Hosenträger angefordert.
>> Nachmittags bei der Vergasung eines Blocks mit Zyclon B gegen die Läuse.
>>
>> That documents the use of Zyclon B gegen die Läuse, against the lice,
>> the proper use of the pesticide Zyclon B as I said.
>>
>>> Diary of Johann Paul Kremer
>>> September 1-5, 1942
>>>
>>> This document is one page from the most famous "insider" views of the
>>> Nazi extermination process: the diary of SS Dr. Johann Paul Kremer.
>>>
>>> Dr. Kremer arrived at Auschwitz on August 30, 1942, where he replaced a
>>> doctor who had fallen sick.
>>>
>>> His diary is remarkable not only for its explicit mentions of the
>>> gassing process, but for the way which Kremer continues to relate the
>>> everyday things one might find in any diary: where he lunched, what he
>>> ate, what films he saw, etc.
>>>
>>> This diary page covers only five days, and includes his first
>>> witnessing of a "special action" (gassing).
>>>
>>> [excerpt]
>>>
>>> "For the first time, at 3:00 A.M. outside, attended a special action.
>>> Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't
>>> call Auschwitz the camp of annihilation for nothing!"
>>>
>>>
>>> "After the war, Dr. Kremer testified about his diary. An extract
>>> is found in "The Good Old Days", p. 258:
>>>
>>> Particularly unpleasant was the gassing of the emaciated women from the
>>> women's camp, who were generally known as 'Muslims'.
>>>
>>> I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups of
>>> women. I cannot say how big the group was. When I got close to the
>>> bunker [I saw] them sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As
>>> they were wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the
>>> undressing hut but made to undress in the open air.
>>>
>>> I concluded from the behaviour of these women that they had no doubt
>>> what fate awaited them, as they begged and pleaded to the SS men to
>>> spare them their lives.
>>>
>>> However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
>>>
>>> As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had a lot
>>> of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that day was like
>>> nothing I had ever seen before.
>>>
>>> Still completely shocked by what I had seen I wrote in my diary on 5
>>> September 1942: 'The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharführer Thilo
>>> was right when he said to me today that this is the anus mundi', the
>>> anal orifice of the world. I used this image because I could not imagine
>>> anything more disgusting and horrific".
>>>
>>> SS-Doctor Kremer at a hearing on 18 July 1947 in Cracow
German) I fail to see what bringing up Nuremberg offers. That was also a
show trial, definitely a political, and one that would not be admitted
in England after Runnymede nor when Roman law was in effect.
Keep in mind Nuremberg explicitly allowed ex post facto laws. Those
have been condemned as far back as they existed as the law of tyrants.
Yet when ex post facto laws were challenged in the opening motion the
show trial tribunal declared its decisions could not be questioned.
Like it or not, Nuremberg was not a trial in any western sense despite
its politically popular results.
> On 03/05/2012 03:43, Matt Giwer wrote:
>> On 5/2/2012 8:10 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
>>> Matt Giwer wrote;
>>>> There is no point in going further than
>>>> none of five people who claimed to have
>>>> observed death by cyanide described the
>>>> pathology of death by cyanide so there is
>>>> reason at all to take the story seriously.
>>
>>> You're *absolutely right* as with this SS Doctor, he doesn't even
>>>> none of five people who claimed to have
>>>> observed death by cyanide described the
>>>> pathology of death by cyanide so there is
>>>> reason at all to take the story seriously.
>>
>>> mention cyanide in the *human* gas chambers just "gassing".
>>
>>> They enter alive and are then "gassed" and die.
>>
>>> I guess it just never occured to him and countless others to don a
>>> gasmask and enter with them so they could then have "observed death by
>>> cyanide described the pathology of death by cyanide".
>>
>>> www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19420901-kremer/
>>
>> The link has this.
>>
>> Von Berlin schriftlich Führermütze, Koppel und Hosenträger angefordert.
>> Nachmittags bei der Vergasung eines Blocks mit Zyclon B gegen die Läuse.
>>
>> That documents the use of Zyclon B gegen die Läuse, against the lice,
>> the proper use of the pesticide Zyclon B as I said.
>>
>>> Diary of Johann Paul Kremer
>>> September 1-5, 1942
>>>
>>> This document is one page from the most famous "insider" views of the
>>> Nazi extermination process: the diary of SS Dr. Johann Paul Kremer.
>>>
>>> Dr. Kremer arrived at Auschwitz on August 30, 1942, where he replaced a
>>> doctor who had fallen sick.
>>>
>>> His diary is remarkable not only for its explicit mentions of the
>>> gassing process, but for the way which Kremer continues to relate the
>>> everyday things one might find in any diary: where he lunched, what he
>>> ate, what films he saw, etc.
>>>
>>> This diary page covers only five days, and includes his first
>>> witnessing of a "special action" (gassing).
>>>
>>> [excerpt]
>>>
>>> "For the first time, at 3:00 A.M. outside, attended a special action.
>>> Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't
>>> call Auschwitz the camp of annihilation for nothing!"
>>>
>>>
>>> "After the war, Dr. Kremer testified about his diary. An extract
>>> is found in "The Good Old Days", p. 258:
>>>
>>> Particularly unpleasant was the gassing of the emaciated women from the
>>> women's camp, who were generally known as 'Muslims'.
>>>
>>> I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups of
>>> women. I cannot say how big the group was. When I got close to the
>>> bunker [I saw] them sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As
>>> they were wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the
>>> undressing hut but made to undress in the open air.
>>>
>>> I concluded from the behaviour of these women that they had no doubt
>>> what fate awaited them, as they begged and pleaded to the SS men to
>>> spare them their lives.
>>>
>>> However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
>>>
>>> As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had a lot
>>> of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that day was like
>>> nothing I had ever seen before.
>>>
>>> Still completely shocked by what I had seen I wrote in my diary on 5
>>> September 1942: 'The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharführer Thilo
>>> was right when he said to me today that this is the anus mundi', the
>>> anal orifice of the world. I used this image because I could not imagine
>>> anything more disgusting and horrific".
>>>
>>> SS-Doctor Kremer at a hearing on 18 July 1947 in Cracow
>>
>> Yes, Cracow, 1947, a show trial in communist Poland. If you endorse this
>> then you endorse every trial ever held in communist Poland. Think
>> carefully before you selectively endorse only those things which you
>> want to believe. For the I categorically reject any trial conducted
>> under any communist government without good cause to think otherwise.
>> Yes, Cracow, 1947, a show trial in communist Poland. If you endorse this
>> then you endorse every trial ever held in communist Poland. Think
>> carefully before you selectively endorse only those things which you
>> want to believe. For the I categorically reject any trial conducted
>> under any communist government without good cause to think otherwise.
> A fair point, but the testimony from Hoess was at Nuremburg, where he
> was not on trial.
As he had no rights whatsoever (other than to hear translations into
> was not on trial.
German) I fail to see what bringing up Nuremberg offers. That was also a
show trial, definitely a political, and one that would not be admitted
in England after Runnymede nor when Roman law was in effect.
Keep in mind Nuremberg explicitly allowed ex post facto laws. Those
have been condemned as far back as they existed as the law of tyrants.
Yet when ex post facto laws were challenged in the opening motion the
show trial tribunal declared its decisions could not be questioned.
Like it or not, Nuremberg was not a trial in any western sense despite
its politically popular results.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:18:58 AM5/4/12
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On 5/3/2012 7:08 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
> Anyway 41 Auschwitz SS men and woman were tried at Cracow in 1947, it
> doesn't sound to me like they got a bad deal from the Communists in
> Poland for Nazi SS soldiers running a death camp.
Justice from communists. Are you daft?
> Anyway 41 Auschwitz SS men and woman were tried at Cracow in 1947, it
> doesn't sound to me like they got a bad deal from the Communists in
> Poland for Nazi SS soldiers running a death camp.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:22:27 AM5/4/12
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On 5/3/2012 3:40 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
> On 02/05/2012 23:21, Matt Giwer wrote:
>> On 5/2/2012 3:33 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
>>> On 02/05/2012 04:00, Matt Giwer wrote:
>>>> On 5/1/2012 3:59 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>>>>> In article<4f9f40b3$0$9766$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>>>> Later analysis also considered the number of victims in the camps
>>>>> (Auschwitz and Treblinka being the "leaders"), victims of mass
>>>>> executions
>>>>> (mostly in the occupied USSR), and losses in the ghettos.
>>>>> Are you a Holocaust denier, Giwer? It does fit your profile.
>> What do you think of the fallacy of assuming the conclusion?
> Not much. Next question.
Then why do you ask what the most common pesticide in Europe at the
time was doing a lice-ridden Auschwitz?
> On 02/05/2012 23:21, Matt Giwer wrote:
>> On 5/2/2012 3:33 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
>>> On 02/05/2012 04:00, Matt Giwer wrote:
>>>> On 5/1/2012 3:59 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>>>>> In article<4f9f40b3$0$9766$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>>>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was
>>>>>> introduced
>>>>>> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
>>>>>> number of Hoess
>>>>> No, the number (5.7 million actually) was based on population stats.
>>>>>> You get quite silly rather quickly. The number 6 million was
>>>>>> introduced
>>>>>> in October 1945. The numbers added up in 1945 including the Auschwitz
>>>>>> number of Hoess
>>>>> Later analysis also considered the number of victims in the camps
>>>>> (Auschwitz and Treblinka being the "leaders"), victims of mass
>>>>> executions
>>>>> (mostly in the occupied USSR), and losses in the ghettos.
>>>>> Are you a Holocaust denier, Giwer? It does fit your profile.
>>>> There is no point in going further than none of five people who claimed
>>>> to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
>>>> cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
>>> So what were the cans doing there?
>>>> to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
>>>> cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
>> What do you think of the fallacy of assuming the conclusion?
> Not much. Next question.
Then why do you ask what the most common pesticide in Europe at the
time was doing a lice-ridden Auschwitz?
alittlesanity
May 4, 2012, 3:24:34 AM5/4/12
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In article <jnvvh8$nit$1...@pcls6.std.com>,
on the Jews, although its extent is well-documented by
population stats, and he will claim that the Jews genocided
the Palestinians, although the number of the latter, living
in Israel and/or in Gaza, has multiplied by a factor of about
five since 1948 (that is some genocide, huh?).
Giwer is insane. The sooner you'll understand this, the sooner
you'll stop wasting your time.
Neil H. <neilis...@not-home-today.org> wrote:
> That is a rather strange (well, stupid actually) statement.
> Population stats are a very reliable indication of extermination;
> actually, your "revisionist" cohorts routinely try and use
> them to prove that many Germans died during and after WW2.
But that's Giwer logic. He will deny the genocide inflicted
> That is a rather strange (well, stupid actually) statement.
> Population stats are a very reliable indication of extermination;
> actually, your "revisionist" cohorts routinely try and use
> them to prove that many Germans died during and after WW2.
on the Jews, although its extent is well-documented by
population stats, and he will claim that the Jews genocided
the Palestinians, although the number of the latter, living
in Israel and/or in Gaza, has multiplied by a factor of about
five since 1948 (that is some genocide, huh?).
Giwer is insane. The sooner you'll understand this, the sooner
you'll stop wasting your time.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:24:29 AM5/4/12
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On 5/3/2012 4:56 AM, JTEM wrote:
> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> You get quite silly rather quickly.
>
> Speaking of which, if you're so sure of yourself, submit to
> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> You get quite silly rather quickly.
>
> the interview!
>
> What's the matter? Afraid?
>
> Of course you are....
You are saying I should pay for a trip to NYC to be interviewed by a
know crazy who channels the rich and famous.
Do you have any perspective at all on your delusion?
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:32:02 AM5/4/12
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On 5/3/2012 3:46 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
> On 03/05/2012 02:59, Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> Are you telling me you yourself actually believe the tens of thousands
>> even hundreds of thousands of death certificated issued for those two
>> cities did not list a cause of death? Are you suggesting no death
>> certificates were issued or that the COD line was left blank? How do you
>> know this?
>
> I don't and come to think of it, I regret being flippant about such a
> serious subject. You are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
> Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
> Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
> Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
> Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
> Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
> Americans, you are dealing with Americans,
> ....................................
Yes, I do like to think I am dealing with rational people who will say
in public what they think instead of people who never do that.
Unlike Brits, Americans do not start with the assumption that other guy
is never going to tell you what he thinks.
I must remember I am dealing with a Brit whose ideas are never going to
be expressed in public.
I guess the reason is the fear of the return of the nobility who will
cut their heads off.
If you really do not know how to deal with Americans, stop doing it.
You will be less disappointed.
> On 03/05/2012 02:59, Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> Are you telling me you yourself actually believe the tens of thousands
>> even hundreds of thousands of death certificated issued for those two
>> cities did not list a cause of death? Are you suggesting no death
>> certificates were issued or that the COD line was left blank? How do you
>> know this?
>
> I don't and come to think of it, I regret being flippant about such a
> serious subject. You are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
> Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
> Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
> Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
> Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
> Americans, you are dealing with Americans, you are dealing with
> Americans, you are dealing with Americans,
> ....................................
Yes, I do like to think I am dealing with rational people who will say
in public what they think instead of people who never do that.
Unlike Brits, Americans do not start with the assumption that other guy
is never going to tell you what he thinks.
I must remember I am dealing with a Brit whose ideas are never going to
be expressed in public.
I guess the reason is the fear of the return of the nobility who will
cut their heads off.
If you really do not know how to deal with Americans, stop doing it.
You will be less disappointed.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:33:58 AM5/4/12
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On 5/3/2012 12:35 AM, Neil H. wrote:
> In article<4fa1e6a2$0$18267$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> where are the autopsies?? Don't tell me you cannot produce
> the autopsies proving the cause of death in Dresden and
> Hamburg was Allied bombing raids? And the ashes?? Where
> are the ashes, Giwer?
>
> Neil.
You don't have jack.
You do not have a reason to murder Palestinians.
Anti-zionism is a moral imperative.
> In article<4fa1e6a2$0$18267$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you telling me you yourself actually believe the tens
>> of thousands even hundreds of thousands of death certificated
>> issued for those two cities did not list a cause of death?
>
> Jesus Christ. What "death certificated"? And where oh
>
>> Are you telling me you yourself actually believe the tens
>> of thousands even hundreds of thousands of death certificated
>> issued for those two cities did not list a cause of death?
>
> where are the autopsies?? Don't tell me you cannot produce
> the autopsies proving the cause of death in Dresden and
> Hamburg was Allied bombing raids? And the ashes?? Where
> are the ashes, Giwer?
>
> Neil.
You don't have jack.
You do not have a reason to murder Palestinians.
Anti-zionism is a moral imperative.
Neil H.
May 4, 2012, 3:39:59 AM5/4/12
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In article <4fa3867b$0$5876$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> You do not have a reason to murder Palestinians.
You do not have a reason to molest young Hispanic boys.
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> On 5/3/2012 12:35 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> Jesus Christ. What "death certificated"? And where oh
>> where are the autopsies?? Don't tell me you cannot produce
>> the autopsies proving the cause of death in Dresden and
>> Hamburg was Allied bombing raids? And the ashes?? Where
>> are the ashes, Giwer?
> On 5/3/2012 12:35 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> Jesus Christ. What "death certificated"? And where oh
>> where are the autopsies?? Don't tell me you cannot produce
>> the autopsies proving the cause of death in Dresden and
>> Hamburg was Allied bombing raids? And the ashes?? Where
>> are the ashes, Giwer?
> You don't have jack.
I have everything. But you don't have the autopsies.
> You do not have a reason to murder Palestinians.
Neil.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:45:47 AM5/4/12
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On 5/3/2012 3:50 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
>> the currently popular shower story is from Dachau not Auschwitz. You
>> know the sinister shower with the stolen copper pipes.
>
> Dachau was not an extermination camp and, in fact, many of the first
> prisoners were let off and even fought in the war. It was in the state
> it was when it was liberated because the system had broken down. My
> first point was a joke, there I go again.
I know that and you know that but you are not keeping up with the
mythology.
Today Dachau is an extermination camp. The showerheads without pipes
are Yahweh's Truth that the Brausbad were gas chambers.
WassamattaU? Your Google is broken?
> On 02/05/2012 23:25, Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> There is no point in going further than none of five people who claimed
>> to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
>> cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
>>
>> Although you can find a very old and ignored shower story from Birkenau,
>>
>> There is no point in going further than none of five people who claimed
>> to have observed death by cyanide described the pathology of death by
>> cyanide so there is reason at all to take the story seriously.
>>
>> the currently popular shower story is from Dachau not Auschwitz. You
>> know the sinister shower with the stolen copper pipes.
>
> Dachau was not an extermination camp and, in fact, many of the first
> prisoners were let off and even fought in the war. It was in the state
> it was when it was liberated because the system had broken down. My
> first point was a joke, there I go again.
I know that and you know that but you are not keeping up with the
mythology.
Today Dachau is an extermination camp. The showerheads without pipes
are Yahweh's Truth that the Brausbad were gas chambers.
WassamattaU? Your Google is broken?
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:47:36 AM5/4/12
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>> When you idiots have an autopsy identifying cyanide as a cause of death
>> you be sure to get back to me.
>
> If that's your argument, go with it!
>
> What are you afraid of, besides the truth?
>> you be sure to get back to me.
>
> If that's your argument, go with it!
>
> What are you afraid of, besides the truth?
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:48:23 AM5/4/12
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On 5/3/2012 5:07 AM, JTEM wrote:
> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> There is no point in going further than none of
>
> Then you should be confident of victory, and consent to
> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> There is no point in going further than none of
>
> the interview. But we all know for a fact that you will be
> made a fool. That, the best arguments you can muster
> will be torn to shreds, and you will be exposed as a
> fraud.
>
> There is no other reason for you to flee like this.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:48:43 AM5/4/12
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>> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
>> poisoning.
>
> So what are you afraid of? Make the argument! Go on record!
>
> Coward.
>> poisoning.
>
> So what are you afraid of? Make the argument! Go on record!
>
> Coward.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:50:58 AM5/4/12
to
On 5/3/2012 5:26 AM, Bill wrote:
> In article<cd2f8dac-61cf-4c6c-a4dc-00e63e9834d6
> @m10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, jte...@gmail.com says...
>
> Now 'why is he afraid of Jews' is another question.
Why would anyone be concerned with a religion so insecure that they
have to claim the atheist, German Einstein was a Jew? What kind of silly
shit is that?
> In article<cd2f8dac-61cf-4c6c-a4dc-00e63e9834d6
> @m10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, jte...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
>>> poisoning.
>>
>> So what are you afraid of?
>
> Reasonably obviously, Jews.
>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
>>> poisoning.
>>
>> So what are you afraid of?
>
>
> Now 'why is he afraid of Jews' is another question.
Why would anyone be concerned with a religion so insecure that they
have to claim the atheist, German Einstein was a Jew? What kind of silly
shit is that?
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:51:50 AM5/4/12
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On 5/2/2012 10:43 PM, Matt Giwer wrote:
> On 5/2/2012 8:10 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
>> Matt Giwer wrote;
> On 5/2/2012 8:10 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
>> Matt Giwer wrote;
>>> There is no point in going further than
>>> none of five people who claimed to have
>>> observed death by cyanide described the
>>> pathology of death by cyanide so there is
>>> reason at all to take the story seriously.
>
>>> none of five people who claimed to have
>>> observed death by cyanide described the
>>> pathology of death by cyanide so there is
>>> reason at all to take the story seriously.
>
> despotic rule by petty nobility to rule by military dictatorship. They
> knew how to hold trials long before they had communists methods to draw
> upon.
>
> So we have a communist trial on one hand and a confirmation of the use
> of cyanide against lice.
>
> The bottom line is still the same. You have evidenciary basis to claim
> there was mass murder by cyanide.
>
> You have however produced evidence of cyanide as a pesticide and of
> communists always getting the testimony they want at trial.
Matt Giwer
May 4, 2012, 3:52:14 AM5/4/12
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On 5/3/2012 12:31 AM, Neil H. wrote:
> In article<4fa1f0f8$0$22113$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>
> And the following was written in 1943. The most pertinent
> part marked, to make it easier for you to concentrate:
>
> "The accused shall not be punished because of the actions
> against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although
> the accused should have recognized that the extermination of
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> the Jews was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> for this purpose, he should be excused for considering himself
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> to have the authority to take part in the extermination of Jewry
> himself." -- from the verdict of the Supreme SS and Police Court,
> in the case of SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner, 24 of May 1943.
> Quoted from "The Good Old Days", E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess,
> The Free Press, NY, 1988, pages 196-207.
>
> Neil.
> In article<4fa1f0f8$0$22113$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Cracow, 1947, a show trial in communist Poland.
>
> Er, Prof. Kremer's diary was written in 1942.
>
>> Yes, Cracow, 1947, a show trial in communist Poland.
>
>
> And the following was written in 1943. The most pertinent
> part marked, to make it easier for you to concentrate:
>
> "The accused shall not be punished because of the actions
> against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although
> the accused should have recognized that the extermination of
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> the Jews was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> for this purpose, he should be excused for considering himself
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> to have the authority to take part in the extermination of Jewry
> himself." -- from the verdict of the Supreme SS and Police Court,
> in the case of SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner, 24 of May 1943.
> Quoted from "The Good Old Days", E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess,
> The Free Press, NY, 1988, pages 196-207.
>
> Neil.
Neil H.
May 4, 2012, 3:54:38 AM5/4/12
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In article <4fa38941$0$5871$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher2.jpg
Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler,
suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test combat
gases on inmates.
Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie
in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in
bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern
an den sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer
verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen
nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herstellung
dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief
als "Geheimsache."
[As you know, the same facility is being built at the
concentration camp Dachau as at Linz [Hartheim]. Since the
"transports of invalids" end up in certain chambers anyway, I
enquire whether in these chambers the effects of our various
combat gases cannot be tested on the persons who are destined
for it anyway. Sofar only animal tests are known, or accounts
of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these gases. Because
of this paragraph, I send this letter marked "Secret".]
</quote>
> WassamattaU? Your Google is broken?
Is yours?
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> Today Dachau is an extermination camp. The showerheads
> without pipes are Yahweh's Truth that the Brausbad were gas
> chambers.
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher1.jpg
> Today Dachau is an extermination camp. The showerheads
> without pipes are Yahweh's Truth that the Brausbad were gas
> chambers.
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher2.jpg
Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler,
suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test combat
gases on inmates.
Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie
in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in
bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern
an den sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer
verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen
nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herstellung
dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief
als "Geheimsache."
[As you know, the same facility is being built at the
concentration camp Dachau as at Linz [Hartheim]. Since the
"transports of invalids" end up in certain chambers anyway, I
enquire whether in these chambers the effects of our various
combat gases cannot be tested on the persons who are destined
for it anyway. Sofar only animal tests are known, or accounts
of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these gases. Because
of this paragraph, I send this letter marked "Secret".]
</quote>
> WassamattaU? Your Google is broken?
Neil.
Neil H.
May 4, 2012, 3:56:26 AM5/4/12
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In article <4fa38ac2$0$5871$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Why did you fail to address this important document?
Neil.
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> On 5/3/2012 12:31 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> And the following was written in 1943. The most pertinent
>> part marked, to make it easier for you to concentrate:
>>
>> "The accused shall not be punished because of the actions
>> against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although
>> the accused should have recognized that the extermination of
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> the Jews was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> for this purpose, he should be excused for considering himself
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> to have the authority to take part in the extermination of Jewry
>> himself." -- from the verdict of the Supreme SS and Police Court,
>> in the case of SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner, 24 of May 1943.
>> Quoted from "The Good Old Days", E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess,
>> The Free Press, NY, 1988, pages 196-207.
> (spam snipped)
> On 5/3/2012 12:31 AM, Neil H. wrote:
>> And the following was written in 1943. The most pertinent
>> part marked, to make it easier for you to concentrate:
>>
>> "The accused shall not be punished because of the actions
>> against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although
>> the accused should have recognized that the extermination of
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> the Jews was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> for this purpose, he should be excused for considering himself
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> to have the authority to take part in the extermination of Jewry
>> himself." -- from the verdict of the Supreme SS and Police Court,
>> in the case of SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner, 24 of May 1943.
>> Quoted from "The Good Old Days", E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess,
>> The Free Press, NY, 1988, pages 196-207.
Why did you fail to address this important document?
Neil.
Italo
May 4, 2012, 9:09:38 AM5/4/12
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Martin Edwards <big_m...@yahoo.co.uk> schreef:
> On 02/05/2012 03:15, Matt Giwer wrote:
> > <snip>
>
> I am probably the only poster here not to have insulted you and to
> have given guarded support to some of your caveats about scripture.
> Sorry, I repeat, /this/ is bullshit. I do not think you are a Nazi
> either: Nazis simply want to resume the operation. Holocaust denial
> is a slightly different pathology.
Not exactly. Nazis these days are very much pro-zionist, and for
that they feign to be pro-Jewish also. Israel is exemplary to nazis as
it practises things which they themselves can't even speak about.
And vice versa. For example, over here, the hate mongerer Wilders
(Breivik's guru) has regular consultations at the israeli embassy,
besides being financed by certain american lobbygroups.
--
b o y c o t t a m e r i c a n p r o d u c t s
Bill
May 4, 2012, 10:20:23 AM5/4/12
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In article <4fa379c2$0$19032$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>, jull43
@tampabaynever.rr.com says...
>
> On 5/4/2012 2:33 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
> > Orthodox Jew in the full rig, he was shocked, apparently they did not
> > look like that in Linz. Perhaps there was some associated trauma that he
> > does not mention.
> viewed the Ashkenazi as a direct threat to their successful assimilation
> starting with Napoleon.
You think Napoleon was Jewish?
--
William Black
When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
time to leave.
@tampabaynever.rr.com says...
>
> On 5/4/2012 2:33 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
> > On 03/05/2012 10:26, Bill wrote:
> >> In article<cd2f8dac-61cf-4c6c-a4dc-00e63e9834d6
> >> @m10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, jte...@gmail.com says...
> >>>
> >>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
> >>>> poisoning.
> >>>
> >>> So what are you afraid of?
> >>
> >> Reasonably obviously, Jews.
> >>
> >> Now 'why is he afraid of Jews' is another question.
> >>
> >>
> > There is an interesting prallel with Hitler. When he first saw an
> >> In article<cd2f8dac-61cf-4c6c-a4dc-00e63e9834d6
> >> @m10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, jte...@gmail.com says...
> >>>
> >>> Matt Giwer<jul...@tampabaynever.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> As I said not one single autopsy showing the cause of death as cyanide
> >>>> poisoning.
> >>>
> >>> So what are you afraid of?
> >>
> >> Reasonably obviously, Jews.
> >>
> >> Now 'why is he afraid of Jews' is another question.
> >>
> >>
> > Orthodox Jew in the full rig, he was shocked, apparently they did not
> > look like that in Linz. Perhaps there was some associated trauma that he
> > does not mention.
>
> The more interesting fact is the Nazi view of the Ashkenazi Jew was a
> toned down version of the view of the Sephardic Jews. The Sepherdim
> The more interesting fact is the Nazi view of the Ashkenazi Jew was a
> viewed the Ashkenazi as a direct threat to their successful assimilation
> starting with Napoleon.
You think Napoleon was Jewish?
--
William Black
When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
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