Napolitano, the TSA and the CIA
Ulysses at Langdale Tarn
Source: Eric Lipton, New York Times, 12-29-09
"Ms. Napolitano had said the system worked once the attempted bombing
had occurred,
meaning that the government responded by increasing security."
Napolitano is fair game for the GOP because Obama politicised Homeland
Security by
dismissing Michael Chertoff without sufficient cause. Now would
have been the time to
dismiss Chertoff, not last January. Obama did not politicise Iraq and
Afghanistan because
he retained Republican SecDef Gates.
Napolitano runs a super-bureaucracy having at least seven major
government agencies. She
does not control the CIA and FBI and their terrorist lists. Her
primary international obligations
are the Mexican and Canadian borders. In her first year, Mexico has
turned the corner in the
battle against drug cartel warlords. The Mexican Navy has shown that
it can execute a key
warlord by sending a task force to the interior (Cuernavaca). The
Tijuana chief of police has
shown that local police forces can indeed stand up to the cartels
without selling out. Americans
can now bypass the dangerous border areas when seeking vacations or
healthcare in Mexico.
Of course we do not know Napolitano’s role in these developments, nor
do we know how much
of the US military aid to Mexico is a result of her efforts.
The CIA-FBI terrorist watch list and the TSA no-fly list are
evidently based on a flag system:
one flag can place you in the "suspected terrorist" database but at
least 2 flags are needed
for selection to the no-fly list. One flag means "Let’s watch this
person for a while before sending
his/her name to the no-fly list." The fact that Abdulmutallub was
already on the British no-fly list
did not serve as a second flag to either the TSA or the CIA.
Obviously our counter-terror
agencies need to start checking all European no-fly lists on a daily
basis. If a flagged person’s
last name turns up on ANY European no-fly list, that person should
automatically enter the TSA
no-fly list. You stop his/her next CONUS flight today. Then you
worry about
"mistaken identification" tomorrow.
The CIA desk at the Yemeni embassy should have connected the dots.
The flag is "Any
Nigerian/Iranian/Pakistani/Briton student in Yemen with an American
visa."
G:\word95\mydocuments\opinion\Napolitano#2.doc 31 XII 2009 CE
William Black
The fact that Abdulmutallub was
> already on the British no-fly list
> did not serve as a second flag to either the TSA or the CIA.
There is no British 'no fly' list.
He had been refused a visa and so his name was on the list of people not
allowed into the UK.
There was no terrorist connection as far as we yet know.
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
You are aware, then, that the Nigerian population of Houston is
between 100,000 and 150,000? Most Moslem.
deem...@aol.com
wrote:
Yeah, but the TSA won't let them fly into the US :-)
Richard
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
We keep them here to maintain our botnets which are a necessary
component in our grand nefarious scheme to make the rest of the world
as hot and muggy. Interestingly I recently purchased a used Corolla
(well, me and about 10 billion other people it seems) at a local
dealership and half the sales force (SW Houston) seemed to be
Nigerian.
Arved Sandstrom
>> do we know how much
>> of the US military aid to Mexico is a result of her efforts.
>>
>> The CIA-FBI terrorist watch list and the TSA no-fly list are
>> evidently based on a flag system:
>> one flag can place you in the "suspected terrorist" database but at
>> least 2 flags are needed
>> person for a while before sending
>> his/her name to the no-fly list." The fact that Abdulmutallub was
>> already on the British no-fly list
>> did not serve as a second flag to either the TSA or the CIA.
>> Obviously our counter-terror
>> agencies need to start checking all European no-fly lists on a daily
>> last name turns up on ANY European no-fly list, that person should
>> automatically enter the TSA
>> no-fly list. You stop his/her next CONUS flight today. Then you
>> worry about
>> "mistaken identification" tomorrow.
>>
>> The CIA desk at the Yemeni embassy should have connected the dots.
>> The flag is "Any
>> Nigerian/Iranian/Pakistani/Briton student in Yemen with an American
>> visa."
>>
>> G:\word95\mydocuments\opinion\Napolitano#2.doc 31 XII 2009 CE
>
> You are aware, then, that the Nigerian population of Houston is
> between 100,000 and 150,000? Most Moslem.
Perhaps so, but how many of them are taking trips to Yemen?
AHS
Jack Linthicum
> >> do we know how much
> >> of the US military aid to Mexico is a result of her efforts.
>
> >> The CIA-FBI terrorist watch list and the TSA no-fly list are
> >> evidently based on a flag system:
> >> one flag can place you in the "suspected terrorist" database but at
> >> least 2 flags are needed
> >> person for a while before sending
> >> his/her name to the no-fly list." The fact that Abdulmutallub was
> >> already on the British no-fly list
> >> did not serve as a second flag to either the TSA or the CIA.
> >> Obviously our counter-terror
> >> agencies need to start checking all European no-fly lists on a daily
> >> last name turns up on ANY European no-fly list, that person should
> >> automatically enter the TSA
> >> no-fly list. You stop his/her next CONUS flight today. Then you
> >> worry about
> >> "mistaken identification" tomorrow.
>
> >> The CIA desk at the Yemeni embassy should have connected the dots.
> >> The flag is "Any
> >> Nigerian/Iranian/Pakistani/Briton student in Yemen with an American
> >> visa."
>
> >> G:\word95\mydocuments\opinion\Napolitano#2.doc 31 XII 2009 CE
>
> > You are aware, then, that the Nigerian population of Houston is
> > between 100,000 and 150,000? Most Moslem.
>
> Perhaps so, but how many of them are taking trips to Yemen?
>
> AHS
The point was Farouk took a trip to Houston for a series of classes.
Hard to follow even 1000 people trying to gather for a class.
William Black
>>>> do we know how much
>>>> of the US military aid to Mexico is a result of her efforts.
>>>> The CIA-FBI terrorist watch list and the TSA no-fly list are
>>>> evidently based on a flag system:
>>>> one flag can place you in the "suspected terrorist" database but at
>>>> least 2 flags are needed
>>>> person for a while before sending
>>>> his/her name to the no-fly list." The fact that Abdulmutallub was
>>>> already on the British no-fly list
>>>> did not serve as a second flag to either the TSA or the CIA.
>>>> Obviously our counter-terror
>>>> agencies need to start checking all European no-fly lists on a daily
>>>> last name turns up on ANY European no-fly list, that person should
>>>> automatically enter the TSA
>>>> no-fly list. You stop his/her next CONUS flight today. Then you
>>>> worry about
>>>> "mistaken identification" tomorrow.
>>>> The CIA desk at the Yemeni embassy should have connected the dots.
>>>> The flag is "Any
>>>> Nigerian/Iranian/Pakistani/Briton student in Yemen with an American
>>>> visa."
>>>> G:\word95\mydocuments\opinion\Napolitano#2.doc 31 XII 2009 CE
>>> You are aware, then, that the Nigerian population of Houston is
>>> between 100,000 and 150,000? Most Moslem.
>> Perhaps so, but how many of them are taking trips to Yemen?
>>
>> AHS
>
> The point was Farouk took a trip to Houston for a series of classes.
> Hard to follow even 1000 people trying to gather for a class.
It's not as simple as that.
Did he travel to Yemen covertly? The country isn't fully under the
control of its government.
Does he have another passport?
We have absolutely no idea what support he had but it's reasonable to
assume that he got picked for this task because he had a valid US visa
and, it now transpires, had travelled there recently.
Jack Linthicum
> >>>> do we know how much
> >>>> of the US military aid to Mexico is a result of her efforts.
> >>>> The CIA-FBI terrorist watch list and the TSA no-fly list are
> >>>> evidently based on a flag system:
> >>>> one flag can place you in the "suspected terrorist" database but at
> >>>> least 2 flags are needed
> >>>> person for a while before sending
> >>>> his/her name to the no-fly list." The fact that Abdulmutallub was
> >>>> already on the British no-fly list
> >>>> did not serve as a second flag to either the TSA or the CIA.
> >>>> Obviously our counter-terror
> >>>> agencies need to start checking all European no-fly lists on a daily
He was in Houston 1-17 August 2008 and had been in Dubai recently. Lot
of dropped balls but as an editorial I have posted says its like
trying to drink out of a fire hose.
Jack Linthicum
the one about the Guantanamo releasee being part of the plot.
And the visa
Yemen: Visa of Nigerian would-be-bomber expired
Nigerian suspect stayed on in Yemen illegally before attempted
airliner attack, officials say
AHMED AL-HAJ
AP News
Dec 31, 2009 11:21 EST
The Nigerian suspected in the attempted attack on a U.S. airliner had
stayed on in Yemen illegally after his visa expired three months ago
and should have been stopped by authorities from leaving the country,
Yemeni security officials said Thursday.
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab spent time in Yemen on two occasions before
the attempted Christmas Day attack on a Detroit-bound Northwest
Airlines flight.
Yemeni officials said Abdulmutallab's student visa for Yemen, where he
studied Arabic at a local language institute, was valid from Aug. 4 to
Sept. 21.
After his visa expired, the 23-year-old stayed on in Yemen until the
first week in December, they said, but his whereabouts in the country
is unknown.
They added that Yemen's airport authorities and passport control
should have prevented Abdulmutallab from departing. The officials
spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to
discuss the case with the media, pending the outcome of an
investigation.
The probe will look into why the Nigerian wasn't detained, questioned
and prohibited from leaving the country, they said.
Administrators at the school where Abdulmutallab studied believed he
had left the country in September, they said.
"We arranged a taxi to take him to the airport on Sept. 21 and we said
goodbye," school director Muhammad al-Anisi told The Associated Press.
"Our responsibility toward him ended that day."
Al-Anisi said no one from the airport security or immigration had
subsequently contacted the school to ask about the student's
whereabouts.
Yemen has confirmed Abdulmutallab spent two periods in Yemen, from
2004-2005 and from August to December of this year. He was enrolled at
the school during both periods to study Arabic.
Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, an offshoot of Osama bin Laden's
group, claimed it was behind the attempt to bomb the Northwest
airliner.
and
Richard
> >>>> do we know how much
> >>>> of the US military aid to Mexico is a result of her efforts.
> >>>> The CIA-FBI terrorist watch list and the TSA no-fly list are
> >>>> evidently based on a flag system:
> >>>> one flag can place you in the "suspected terrorist" database but at
> >>>> least 2 flags are needed
> >>>> person for a while before sending
> >>>> his/her name to the no-fly list." The fact that Abdulmutallub was
> >>>> already on the British no-fly list
> >>>> did not serve as a second flag to either the TSA or the CIA.
> >>>> Obviously our counter-terror
> >>>> agencies need to start checking all European no-fly lists on a daily
>
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Covertly or not his dad ratted him out to our guys and we did nothing
with the information.
Of course, if we HAD done something such as more intense scrutiny of
incoming foreign travellers (who happen to be african) we would have
been accused of being insensitive and racist for singling out
Nigerians and Obama would have yet another opportunity to apologise.
Oh the poor dears!
Jack Linthicum
Way to go, are you collecting money for the poor befuddled Republicans
who cannot decide how they want to go back on their former stance in
order to make a payday?
Ka-Ching! GOP Goes For Big Flight 253 Payday
Eric Kleefeld | December 31, 2009, 1:15PM
In a move that would have been hard to imagine in previous years, the
GOP has launched multiple fundraising efforts in the wake of the
failed attack on Flight 253, seeking to turn the Christmas Day event
into not just a political attack on the Obama administration, but also
a boost for their year-end fundraising.
• The first fundraising play was done by Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI),
who is running for governor, and sent out this e-mail for his
gubernatorial campaign: "My promise to you, as your governor, my first
duty and most solemn responsibility is to keep Michigan safe! ... If
you agree that we need a Governor who will stand up the Obama/Pelosi
efforts to weaken our security please make a most generous
contribution of $25, $50, $100 or even $250 to my campaign."
• The NRSC sent out a fundraising e-mail signed by NRSC Executive
Director Rob Jesmer: "Remember right after the inauguration, it was
revealed President Obama no longer wanted to acknowledge the 'global
war on terror' and referred to terrorist acts as 'man-made disasters'?
Back then you and I knew that showed a remarkable lack of
understanding of the threat America faced but in the face of what
nearly happened a couple days, it is even more infuriating. To you and
me and our friends throughout America, the healthcare bill is a man-
made disaster. And when a foreigner tries to blow up an airliner, it
is an attempted terrorist attack."
• House Minority Leader John Boehner also sent out an NRCC fundraising
letter that discussed the topic of terrorism, promising that donations
would go towards preventing the transfer of Guantanamo Bay prisoners
to the United States, by financing candidates who would "prevent the
Obama Administration from importing dangerous terrorists into American
communities." This was done on the same day as a separate Boehner
press release blasting the Obama administration, tying the Flight 253
attack to Obama's terrorism policies.
Just imagine if the Democrats had sent out fundraising letters after
the shoe-bomber case in December 2001. It's not hard to think of what
the Bush administration and Fox News crowd would have said.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/ka-ching-gop-goes-for-big-flight-253-payday.php
William Black
> Of course, if we HAD done something such as more intense scrutiny of
> incoming foreign travellers (who happen to be african) we would have
> been accused of being insensitive and racist for singling out
> Nigerians and Obama would have yet another opportunity to apologise.
Any idea how many people of African origin you'd have to harass to make
that work?
And if you start checking them you'd better have a close look at your
president, half African, father and grandfather political radicals,
Muslim background, lived abroad...
The point I'm making is that millions of foreigners pass through the
international airports of the world and all but a few are completely
harmless.
Ulysses at Langdale Tarn
wrote:
~~~~~~~
Sir William,
The Americans did consider Abdulmutallub to be suspected
on the ground, but not up in the air. That's the American
distinction
between "no entry" and "no fly." Britain determined Abdulmutallub
to be undesirable across the board. I can see the American logic
that a foreigner carrying 3-5 ounces of explosives on the ground is
no more dangerous than a Texas drug dealer with a hand grenade.
State and local police routinely confiscate and detonate grenades
and other explosives seized during drug raids. There is no telling
what kind of artillery the authorities have seized in Mexico.
Cheers, David H
~~~~~~
Ulysses at Langdale Tarn
wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~
Please state the source for that statistic. You may be confusing
the Nigerian population with the Indian/Hindi population.
Meanwhile I cannot find decent curry powder at Corpus Christi.
I have to settle for Thai curry powder purchased at the Asian
Market run by Filipinos. American brand curry powder is
outrageously high priced.
Cheers, David H
~~~~~
Jack Linthicum
I heard it on a TV news broadcast but here is a higher number
"With 150,000 to 250,000 residents in Houston, Nigerian-Americans
comprise two percent of the city's population, the largest Nigerian
American population in the U.S."
Richard
wrote:
Of course most are, but most don't have their family members reporting
their activity to our embassy either.
Richard
wrote:
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The republicans are just as much to blame as the democrats....but I
never mentioned either party so why did you bring it up? Hidden
agenda?
I'd like to know why the information brought forward by a family
member was not acted on GIVEN the other suspicious activities of this
individual.
What we don't need is is pus-nutted phuqtards blaming dim-crats or
repuglicants; name calling and finger pointing is so 2nd grade Jack.
Fix the process...and apologising to the world doesn't count.
Jack Linthicum
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The republicans are just as much to blame as the democrats....but I
> never mentioned either party so why did you bring it up? Hidden
> agenda?
>
> I'd like to know why the information brought forward by a family
> member was not acted on GIVEN the other suspicious activities of this
> individual.
>
> What we don't need is is pus-nutted phuqtards blaming dim-crats or
> repuglicants; name calling and finger pointing is so 2nd grade Jack.
>
> Fix the process...and apologising to the world doesn't count.
That is ducking the question, which you should be brave enough to
answer.
Jack Linthicum
How do you know that? That is conjecture, without any supporting
evidence.
Andrew Chaplin
news:f36907f3-9e41-479f...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
> I heard it on a TV news broadcast but here is a higher number
>
> "With 150,000 to 250,000 residents in Houston, Nigerian-Americans
> comprise two percent of the city's population, the largest Nigerian
> American population in the U.S."
>
> http://www.khou.com/news/local/Houstons-Nigerian-community-distances-it
> self-from-Terrorism-suspect-80443072.html
If the county population is 5.7 million as Wiki says, then the maximum
should be 114,000. Two percent of the city's population of 2.2 million
would be 44,000. These sound more reasonable.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
I don't critique media math. As I said the first number was
100,000-150,000 with the caveat "nobody knows for sure". Reasonable
doesn't enter into immigrants (illegal or otherwise) especially in
Texas. Another number was 17% of the Nigerians have advanced degrees.
Andrew Chaplin
> I don't critique media math. As I said the first number was
> 100,000-150,000 with the caveat "nobody knows for sure". Reasonable
> doesn't enter into immigrants (illegal or otherwise) especially in
> Texas. Another number was 17% of the Nigerians have advanced degrees.
I suppose your approach is sensible. If one were to point it out to them,
they would likely say, "That's what they told us." They seem to have given
up on fact checkers, and it shows in their editorial product.
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
You can find any "fact" you can wish for on the internet. And Fox
seems to have its own version of any of the usual ones.
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
Some more background, the count may have been Nigerians and their
"American" children
The last U.S. Census recorded that Nigerians born outside the United
States represent one percent of the population of the Houston area.
Using the census estimate of 5million people in the Houston area and
an average household of three to five, that puts the Nigerian-American
immigrant population and their children born here between 150,000 to
250,000. Thanks to our hard-working culture, Nigerian-Americans are
contributing their best in all walks of life.”
another: 150,000 "Africans" 80% Nigerians
Richard
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > The republicans are just as much to blame as the democrats....but I
> > never mentioned either party so why did you bring it up? Hidden
> > agenda?
>
> > I'd like to know why the information brought forward by a family
> > member was not acted on GIVEN the other suspicious activities of this
> > individual.
>
> > What we don't need is is pus-nutted phuqtards blaming dim-crats or
> > repuglicants; name calling and finger pointing is so 2nd grade Jack.
>
> > Fix the process...and apologising to the world doesn't count.
>
> That is ducking the question, which you should be brave enough to
>
> - Show quoted text -
So are you; by answering my original post with a question regarding a
political party to which I never claimed or implied membership you
have ducked a response to my reply to your post. Why did you resort
to that ploy? And wholesale re-posting of someone else's article(s)
(which I note you do quite often) in no way obviates the need for your
own considered analysis of the original question(s). This is not
Google News.
.
FWIW I have voted for both political parties but contribute to
neither; how about you?
Jack Linthicum
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > The republicans are just as much to blame as the democrats....but I
> > > never mentioned either party so why did you bring it up? Hidden
> > > agenda?
>
> > > I'd like to know why the information brought forward by a family
> > > member was not acted on GIVEN the other suspicious activities of this
> > > individual.
>
> > > What we don't need is is pus-nutted phuqtards blaming dim-crats or
> > > repuglicants; name calling and finger pointing is so 2nd grade Jack.
>
> > > Fix the process...and apologising to the world doesn't count.
>
> > That is ducking the question, which you should be brave enough to
> > answer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> So are you; by answering my original post with a question regarding a
> political party to which I never claimed or implied membership you
> have ducked a response to my reply to your post. Why did you resort
> to that ploy? And wholesale re-posting of someone else's article(s)
> (which I note you do quite often) in no way obviates the need for your
> own considered analysis of the original question(s). This is not
> Google News.
> .
> FWIW I have voted for both political parties but contribute to
> neither; how about you?
No its not Google News but your mock dismay reads as well as the
loudest mouth on TV. Playing innocent because you didn't actually say
it is ducking the issue. Man up.