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 More options Oct 17 2003, 2:10 pm
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From: jl...@juno.com (jlk7e)
Date: 17 Oct 2003 11:10:50 -0700
Local: Fri, Oct 17 2003 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: Italy's Leak, 1909
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JoergR...@yahoo.de (J?rg Raddatz) wrote in message <news:822c234b.0310170505.3bc0fe18@posting.google.com>...
> jl...@juno.com (jlk7e) wrote in message <news:bdf17ac8.0310162159.57bf3018@posting.google.com>...

> [snip]

> > Or else...Giolitti's hintings are so irritating that Conrad manages to
> > persuade the Emperor to invade Italy (as he tried to do on several
> > occasions otl)...

> Well, let us simply assume this - and let us assume that the Austrians
> manage to construct a Casus Belli, since I doubt that FJ would go for
> an assault out of the blue. This also implies that during the cirisis
> following the remarks, the Italian king does not simply dismiss his
> loudmouthed PM but keeps him in order to save face. Sounds like a
> stupid decision, but not at all impossible.
> How will this play out? Austria vs. Italy sounds like a clear win for
> Austria, unless the respective allies factored in.

What respective allies?  Italy doesn't have any.

> Then it looks bleak: Serbia is already mad since the Bosnian Crisis,
> Russia (already a secret treaty with Italy existed)

Really?  They had a treaty about the Balkans, but I don't think Russia
would actually go to war for Italy.  It wouldn't go to war for France
in the Moroccan Crises, and France was an actual ally.

 is angry at

> Austria and at Germany, Germany already tries to support Austria in
> nearly all situations, and the UK and France are at least far more
> pro-Italian and pro-Russian than pro-*Central Powers*.
> So, the best thing for Vienna might look like
> Germany
> Austria-Hungary

> vs.

> Italy
> Russia
> Serbia

Would Russia really go to war for Italy?  Serbia might join in, I
agree, but this is pre-Balkan Wars Serbia - I don't think it would
dare.  And what of Bulgaria, Romania, the Ottoman Empire?  Romania was
still allied to the Centrals at this time.  Bulgaria hates Serbia.
Hmm...

Also, does this happen before or after the Bosnian crisis.  If before,
it's unlikely either Serbia or Russia would intervene - Russia still
would be in an entente with Austria over the Balkans, even.


 
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