Message from discussion AHC - 1880s Bulgarian crisis leads to WWI
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From: Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: AHC - 1880s Bulgarian crisis leads to WWI
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:23:31 +0000
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On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 11:42:19 -0700, Anthony Buckland
>On 03/11/2012 6:24 AM, Bill wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 03:27:30 -0500, ken...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>> In article <kt6898lod1hg9aklegpgbu0ianqbp90...@4ax.com>,
>>> blackuse...@gmail.com (Bill) wrote:
>>>> Artillery is firing shrapnel shells from breech loading guns using
>>>> both an interrupted screw and an obdurated breech. Not much change
>>> Until the French M1897 there were no quick firing field guns. On mount
>>> recoil systems were limited to spring spades at best and most guns used
>>> bagged charges. Guns had to be relaid after each shot.
>> So the bangs are slower...
> So, less effective machine guns and slower artillery rate
> of fire. Is this enough to prevent the essential slaughter
> of massed infantry charges (not to mention cavalry) that
> was such a horrible part of WWI once both sides got
> concentrated in trenches? For that matter, _would_ they
> have got concentrated in trenches?
Both the American Civil War and the Crimean War were fought in
So yes, they're in trenches.
The tactical systems don't seem to have changed much between those
wars and WWI either, well, not until new tactical and technical
advances changed things towards the end of that conflict.
Plus everyone is in brightly coloured uniforms, which won't reduce the
The other major change is going to be in generalship.
The reign of the unthinking somnambulistic 'Cavalry Generals' who made
a virtue of stupidity (checks tin hat is in place) has not yet started
and you're going to get lethal imperial technocrats like Wolseley and
Roberts taking commands in France.