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john0714  
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 More options Mar 29 2012, 6:55 pm
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From: john0714 <john0...@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:55:03 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Mar 29 2012 6:55 pm
Subject: What if Jesus of Nazereth never left?
Suppose instead of ascending to Heaven, Jesus stayed on Earth to this
day? He told those who would surely seek to kill Him again that once
was plenty and used His powers to avoid illness, injury, and aging? He
roamed the Earth freely and continued much as He did before His
crucifiction?

 
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Bill  
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 More options Apr 2 2012, 5:06 pm
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From: Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:06:03 +0100
Local: Mon, Apr 2 2012 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: What if Jesus of Nazereth never left?
In article <83caeb01-a045-4eeb-9917-6e8591a179f1
@f27g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, john0...@aol.com says...

> Suppose instead of ascending to Heaven, Jesus stayed on Earth to this
> day? He told those who would surely seek to kill Him again that once
> was plenty and used His powers to avoid illness, injury, and aging? He
> roamed the Earth freely and continued much as He did before His
> crucifiction?

Then his followers would rule the world.

If God actually walked the earth you and I and everyone else would
worship him/her/it.

--
William Black

When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
time to leave.


 
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Bradipus  
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 More options Apr 3 2012, 5:59 pm
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From: Bradipus <ahem-a...@never.mind.it>
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 23:59:24 +0200
Local: Tues, Apr 3 2012 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: What if Jesus of Nazereth never left?
john0714, 00:55, venerdì 30 marzo 2012:

> Suppose instead of ascending to Heaven, Jesus stayed on Earth
> to this day? He told those who would surely seek to kill Him
> again that once was plenty and used His powers to avoid
> illness, injury, and aging? He roamed the Earth freely and
> continued much as He did before His crucifiction?

(I suppose you refer to Jesus The Christ)

The whole Christianity is grounded on Christ's sacrifice on the
Cross.

Another religion would rise, depending on Jesus actions.

A different Christianism, on a different ground.

--
o o


 
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 More options Apr 3 2012, 8:48 pm
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From: Scott Eiler <sei...@eilertech.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:48:25 -0700
Local: Tues, Apr 3 2012 8:48 pm
Subject: Re: What if Jesus of Nazereth never left?
On 4/2/2012 2:06 PM, Bill wrote:

> In article<83caeb01-a045-4eeb-9917-6e8591a179f1
> @f27g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, john0...@aol.com says...

>> Suppose instead of ascending to Heaven, Jesus stayed on Earth to this
>> day? He told those who would surely seek to kill Him again that once
>> was plenty and used His powers to avoid illness, injury, and aging? He
>> roamed the Earth freely and continued much as He did before His
>> crucifiction?

> Then his followers would rule the world.

> If God actually walked the earth you and I and everyone else would
> worship him/her/it.

Well, the premise *does* say "much as before the crucifixion".  As such,
it would be easy to find people who disbelieve in Jesus.

It's more interesting to ask:  What would the Christian church be like
nowadays, if their leader could walk in through their doors any time in
their history?  I think we'd find disbelievers among Christians, pretty
early in history.  The real Jesus of Nazareth would probably have been
declared a heretic.

--
(signed) Scott Eiler  8{D> -------- http://www.eilertech.com/ ---------

Let's take a look, if you will, at the Second Amendment of the
Constitution, which protects every American's right to shoot another
American.  This cherished constitutional right to shoot people and make
them dead is currently recognized in all fifty states, most recently
Florida.

- The Borowitz Report
(http://www.borowitzreport.com/2012/03/29/an-argument-against-healthcare/),
March 2012.


 
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Padraigh ProAmerica  
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 More options Apr 3 2012, 8:48 pm
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From: ogro...@webtv.net (Padraigh ProAmerica)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:48:24 -0400
Local: Tues, Apr 3 2012 8:48 pm
Subject: Re: What if Jesus of Nazereth never left?
An amalgam of the teachings of Jesus and Judaism. His ORIGINAL intent
was to draw the Hebrews back to a clorser relationship with their God.  

--
"The only two things that are infinite are the Universe and human
stupidity- and I'm not too sure about the former."--

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 More options Apr 4 2012, 5:03 am
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From: john0714 <john0...@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 02:03:31 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Apr 4 2012 5:03 am
Subject: Re: What if Jesus of Nazereth never left?
On Apr 3, 4:59 pm, Bradipus <ahem-a...@never.mind.it> wrote:

My WI allows for the Crucifiction but not the Ascention.

 
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 More options Apr 4 2012, 5:16 am
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From: john0714 <john0...@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 02:16:04 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Apr 4 2012 5:16 am
Subject: Re: What if Jesus of Nazereth never left?
On Apr 3, 7:48 pm, Scott Eiler <sei...@eilertech.com> wrote:

Thank you for not wasting our time by messing with my premise.

> It's more interesting to ask:  What would the Christian church be like
> nowadays, if their leader could walk in through their doors any time in
> their history?  I think we'd find disbelievers among Christians, pretty
> early in history.

Would that last long enough to matter?

The real Jesus of Nazareth would probably have been

> declared a heretic.

Or that, since in my Wl Jesus is indestructable? Remember:  He told
those who would surely seek to kill Him again that once


 
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Bradipus  
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 More options Apr 4 2012, 11:56 am
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From: Bradipus <ahem-a...@never.mind.it>
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:56:25 +0200
Local: Wed, Apr 4 2012 11:56 am
Subject: Re: What if Jesus of Nazereth never left?
Padraigh ProAmerica, 02:48, mercoledì 4 aprile 2012:

> An amalgam of the teachings of Jesus and Judaism. His ORIGINAL
> intent was to draw the Hebrews back to a clorser relationship
> with their God.

IIRC it was Paul that spread the Word all over the World.

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Padraigh ProAmerica  
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 More options Apr 4 2012, 11:52 pm
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From: ogro...@webtv.net (Padraigh ProAmerica)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 23:52:45 -0400
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Subject: Re: What if Jesus of Nazereth never left?
The twelve disciples were dispersed and evangelizig when Paul joined up.

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stupidity- and I'm not too sure about the former."--

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 More options Apr 5 2012, 4:27 pm
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From: Bradipus <ahem-a...@never.mind.it>
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:27:20 +0200
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Subject: Re: What if Jesus of Nazereth never left?
Padraigh ProAmerica, 05:52, giovedì 5 aprile 2012:

> The twelve disciples were dispersed and evangelizig when Paul
> joined up.

1. Did he boost conversions by not requiring circumcision?

2. WI Paul had not converted himself?

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 More options Apr 7 2012, 12:55 am
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From: Scott Eiler <sei...@eilertech.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 21:55:06 -0700
Local: Sat, Apr 7 2012 12:55 am
Subject: Re: What if Jesus of Nazereth never left?
On 4/4/2012 2:16 AM, john0714 wrote:

Okay, I didn't get that bit until I read it three times *and* you used a
word like "indestructible".

... So, Jesus either goes into hiding, or he rules the Earth.  He
probably gives a major boost to his followers.  But unless he watches
them really, really closely, things get ugly.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.history.what-if/msg/0d03dbf0eed801...

--
(signed) Scott Eiler  8{D> -------- http://www.eilertech.com/ ---------

Let's take a look, if you will, at the Second Amendment of the
Constitution, which protects every American's right to shoot another
American.  This cherished constitutional right to shoot people and make
them dead is currently recognized in all fifty states, most recently
Florida.

- The Borowitz Report
(http://www.borowitzreport.com/2012/03/29/an-argument-against-healthcare/),
March 2012.


 
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Padraigh ProAmerica  
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 More options Apr 7 2012, 10:23 pm
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From: ogro...@webtv.net (Padraigh ProAmerica)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:23:34 -0400
Local: Sat, Apr 7 2012 10:23 pm
Subject: Re: What if Jesus of Nazereth never left?
If Pul had not converted, the new faith would have been in a world of
hurt. Saul of Tarsus was a virulent enemy of the new faith;
well-educated, a great speaker and a gifted rabble-rouser. His unaltered
presence would severly damage the new faith.

--
"Peace is that brief moment is history when everybody stands around
reloading,"--

Rev. Skip Heitzig


 
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