Defeating the USSR
Phil N DeBlank9
WHAT IF
A) Hitler did NOT commit genocide against the Ukrainians in the USSR?
Would they have joined the cause? How would it affect the war? Of course, we
are talking about Hitler here. He plans on enslaving the Ukranians only after
using them.
B) Hitler did what he did in Norway. Not dozens, but hundreds of secret
agents are inside the USSR at the moment of the invasion. The MOMENT the USSR
army clashes with Germany's (so this idea doesn't wreck the surprise attack)
these hundreds of secret agents disguised as ordinary civilians or members of
the military murder a couple leaders (not Stalin), and attack key
infrastructure. What do they attack before being killed or captured? I dont
know, supply routes, factories, whatever you want. IF Hitler had done this
strategy what affect would it have had?
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Yau-ming
painting?
Maybe he could have started a terrorist organization that burnt
Picasso and
the rest of the modern art crap.
Andrew Clark
"Yau-ming" <nospam_...@bigpond.net.au> wrote
> What if Hitler had stayed being a house painter?
Hitler was never a "house painter" - that was 1920's German
communist black propaganda, given a global hearing by the British
in WW2. He was a talented technician - he could execute
architectural drawings with remarkable precision - but an
indifferent artist. He preferred architectural studies but also
drew and painted cartoons, portraits and landscapes.
DLS
Snip: [Hitler did NOT commit genocide against the Ukrainians in the USSR?]
You answered your own question...and it wasn't just Hitler, but the attitude
of Germans in general (not just SS) was to regard Ukraninans as inferiors,
"Untermenschen", and "Slawen sind Sklaven" (slaves are slaves). It would've
taken remarkable foresight and patience to insist on a policy of friendlines
and "win their hearts and minds", qualities not generally found in the Nazi
leadership.
[ B) Hitler did what he did in Norway. Not dozens, but hundreds of secret
> agents are inside the USSR at the moment of the invasion. ] Entirely
different scenario...before the war, Germans freely travelled to Norway on
ordinary business or as tourists (great skiing), it would've been simply to
plant agents. The Soviet Union was an entire matter. Tourism practically
did not exist and what Germans were in the USSR were closely watched by the
NKVD. Both Soviet expertise and the closely restricted nature of Soviet
society made either the development of espionage networks or the insertion
of agents quite difficult. It's an inherent advantage that totalitarian
nations have.
Commando raids would've likely done far better but the SD and the Abwehr
distrust each other too much to work effectively together.
DLS
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Don Phillipson
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> What if Hitler had stayed being a house painter? And continued
> painting?
Hitler was never a "house painter." He failed to get into
art college (Vienna at age 19) but painted small landscapes
to sell to tourists.
> Maybe he could have started a terrorist organization that burnt
> Picasso and the rest of the modern art crap.
He did. Once in power the Nazi government defined
and denounced Entartete Kunst (degenerate art) and
collected it for destruction. This was mainly Goebbels's
business. (One of the embarrassments was that the
first big Nazi exhibition of degenerate art was so popular,
i.e. attracted all the modern art fans in Berlin.) That
was why lots of currently famous modern painters
fled Germany (e.g. Kokoschka, Heartfield.)
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Dave Gower
"Andrew Clark" <acl...@cedar-consultancy.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hitler was never a "house painter" - that was 1920's German
> communist black propaganda, given a global hearing by the British
> in WW2. He was a talented technician
Agree and would add that the fear of being labelled a nazi sympathiser
sometimes keeps people today from recognizing that Hitler for all his moral
depravity and mental blind spots was a very talented man. People such as
Manstein testified to that in post-war writings, and he was not an easily
impressed lightweight.
How could it be otherwise? Here we have a man who started politics as a
street brawler and beer-hall orator and twenty years later ruled an empire
that stretched from Lapland to Libya, from Brittany to the Volga. Yes, luck
and ruthlessness played their part, but dullards to not accomplish such
things.
DLS
not a great man, if we associate greatness with things that are good and of
lasting worth. But he was a man of great attributes". Duffy goes on to
describe Hitler's amazing gift of recall, and of memorization of facts.
Without doubt, Hitler was an evil genius...both evil, and genius (however
misplaced).
DLS
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Yau-ming
asking for imaginary armies in 1944-5 and moving those bogus armies across
the map?
I think his capacity of self-delusion was greater than his other "great"
attributes.
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