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Dan Drake  
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 More options Apr 10, 3:24 pm
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From: "Dan Drake" <d...@dandrake.com>
Date: 10 Apr 2008 19:24:32 GMT
Local: Thurs, Apr 10 2008 3:24 pm
Subject: Galileo's Dialogue in German?
I'm looking for information on a modern German translation of Galileo's
_Dialogue_ (Concerning the two chief world systems, but that's not part of
the title :)

The edition I'm thinking of, if it exists, would have been published in
the early 1980s; but anyway it's unlikely there are two. I've made a
cursory search for this, but my book-searching skills in German are not
high.

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William C Waterhouse  
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 More options Apr 10, 5:15 pm
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From: w...@math.psu.edu (William C Waterhouse)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:15:21 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Thurs, Apr 10 2008 5:15 pm
Subject: Re: Galileo's Dialogue in German?

In article <vhIsdqY67dTD-pn2-t84roMcOqeNK@M>, "Dan Drake" <d...@dandrake.com> writes:
> I'm looking for information on a modern German translation of Galileo's
> _Dialogue_ (Concerning the two chief world systems, but that's not part of
> the title :)

> The edition I'm thinking of, if it exists, would have been published in
> the early 1980s; but anyway it's unlikely there are two. I've made a
> cursory search for this, but my book-searching skills in German are not
> high.

> --
> Dan Drake
> d...@dandrake.com
> http://www.dandrake.com/
> porlockjr.blogspot.com

Here's the information, from an entry in Worldcat. As you can see, the
actual tramslation is a photocopy of an 1891 translation, but there
is additional material.

William C. Waterhouse
Penn State
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------

Title:          Dialog über die beiden hauptsächlichsten Weltsysteme :
das ptolemäische und das kopernikanische /

Author(s):      Galilei, Galileo, 1564-1642.
Strauss, Emil,; 1866-1960.
Sexl, Roman Ulrich.
Meyenn, K. v.

Publication:    Stuttgart : B.G. Teubner,
Year:   1982
Description:    xxvi, lxxix, 643 p. : port. ; 23 cm.
Language:       German
Standard No:    ISBN: 3519024152; 9783519024156
        SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor:     Astronomy -- Early works to 1800.
Geographic:     Solar system.

Note(s):        "Reprografischer Nachdruck der Ausgabe Leipzig 1891."/ Includes reproduction of original t.p./ Includes bibliographical references (p. [599]-610) and index.

Class Descriptors:      LC: QB41

Responsibility:         Galileo Galilei ; aus dem Italienischen übersetzt und erläutert von Emil Strauss ; mit einem Beitrag von Albert Einstein, sowie einem Vorwort zur Neuausgabe und weiteren Erläuterungen von Stillman Drake ; herausgegeben von Roman Sexl und Karl von Meyenn.


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Dan Drake  
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 More options Apr 11, 2:28 pm
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From: "Dan Drake" <d...@dandrake.com>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 18:28:16 GMT
Local: Fri, Apr 11 2008 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: Galileo's Dialogue in German?
Many many thanks for this. Just what I wanted -- and didn't want, because
I now have to figure out what the new material in it consists of.

It may contain material that has not been published anywhere else and
needs to be published in English, even if it has to be back-translated.
Figuring this out -- never mind carrying out such a project -- is not an
easy project for one as ignorant of German as I am , but it's an
invaluable lead.

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:15:21 UTC, w...@math.psu.edu (William C Waterhouse)
wrote:

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Dan Drake  
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 More options Apr 11, 2:48 pm
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From: "Dan Drake" <d...@dandrake.com>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 18:48:36 GMT
Local: Fri, Apr 11 2008 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: Galileo's Dialogue in German?
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:15:21 UTC, w...@math.psu.edu (William C Waterhouse)
wrote:

> Note(s):         "Reprografischer Nachdruck der Ausgabe Leipzig 1891."/ Includes reproduction of original t.p./ Includes bibliographical references (p. [599]-610) and index.

> Class Descriptors:         LC: QB41

> Responsibility:         Galileo Galilei ; aus dem Italienischen übersetzt und erläutert von Emil Strauss ; mit einem Beitrag von Albert Einstein, sowie einem Vorwort zur Neuausgabe und weiteren Erläuterungen von Stillman Drake ; herausgegeben von Roman Sexl und Karl von Meyenn.

Babelfish is about as useful as I feared. The "Neuausgabe und weiteren"
one can understand; but what's that next word, if you would be so kind?
(And of course my newsreader louses up the characters.) Is it just
referring to "other scholarly stuff" or is there any more specificity?

Guess I'll have to find the darned thing regardless.
(Which is a piece of cake. Thank Whomever for the Web!)

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http://www.dandrake.com/
porlockjr.blogspot.com


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William C Waterhouse  
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From: w...@math.psu.edu (William C Waterhouse)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:23:25 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Thurs, Apr 17 2008 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: Galileo's Dialogue in German?

In article <vhIsdqY67dTD-pn2-uTS9M8Zo9k7s@M>, "Dan Drake" <d...@dandrake.com> writes:
>...

        Galileo Galilei ; aus dem Italienischen übersetzt und erläutert von Emil Strauss ; mit einem Beitrag von Albert Einstein, sowie einem Vorwort zur Neuausgabe und weiteren Erläuterungen von Stillman Drake ; herausgegeben von Roman Sexl und Karl von Meyenn.

> Babelfish is about as useful as I feared. The "Neuausgabe und weiteren"
> one can understand; but what's that next word, if you would be so kind?
> (And of course my newsreader louses up the characters.) Is it just
> referring to "other scholarly stuff" or is there any more specificity?

Very literally, for what follows "Strauss":

   With a contribution by Albert Einstein, as well as a preface to the
   new edition and further explanations by Stillman Drake; edited by Roman Sexl
   and Karl von Meyenn.

William C. Waterhouse
Penn State


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Hans  
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 More options May 18, 3:55 am
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From: "Hans" <hans.stok...@googlemail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:55:48 +0200
Local: Sun, May 18 2008 3:55 am
Subject: Re: Galileo's Dialogue in German?
Hallo Dan,

I think you mean the book "Galileo Galilei, Schriftten . Briefe . Dokumente"
. It is published by Anna Mudry in the former DDR. Recently it was
republished  (2005) by ALBUS, part of VMA-Verlag, Wiesbaden. As the titel
states it contains more than the Dialog but on the other hand it gives only
a selection out of the Dialog. The reason you are interested may be that it
refers to the books of S. Drake?
I have this book so if you have any other questions please ask me.

Hans

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 More options May 20, 2:52 pm
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From: "Dan Drake" <d...@dandrake.com>
Date: 20 May 2008 18:52:40 GMT
Local: Tues, May 20 2008 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: Galileo's Dialogue in German?
On Sun, 18 May 2008 07:55:48 UTC, "Hans" <hans.stok...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Hallo Dan,

> I think you mean the book "Galileo Galilei, Schriftten . Briefe . Dokumente"
> . It is published by Anna Mudry in the former DDR. Recently it was
> republished  (2005) by ALBUS, part of VMA-Verlag, Wiesbaden. As the titel
> states it contains more than the Dialog but on the other hand it gives only
> a selection out of the Dialog. The reason you are interested may be that it
> refers to the books of S. Drake?
> I have this book so if you have any other questions please ask me.

> Hans

Thank you. It seems this book is one that I didn't know about. (There is a
full German translation of the Dialogue published in the 1980s, actually a
re-issue of a classic 19th-century translation; I've ordered a copy of
this one, but am now doubting whether it will ever arrive.)

The book you cite sounds as if it would be of considerable interest. Alas,
I have no reading knowledge of German.  But my primary interest here was
in some new material by Drake himself, which has never been published in
English:  namely, revisions to the notes, a new introduction, and a new
analytical index to the book. I suppose this material is not in the book
from the DDR. But if there is any sign of such material, I'd be very
gratified to find out, and intensely interested in the details.

Thanks again, and I'd appreciate knowing of anything else that turns up
concerning this lost material.

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porlockjr.blogspot.com


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