George Walker Bush & Harry S. Truman
D. Spencer Hines
Harry S. Truman, our 33rd American President -- and some piquant
differences.
Both men were VERY much "misunderestimated" by many of the American People
while they were in office.
Truman, who was considered by many of our effete "Liberal" eggheads and
academics to have been a failure while he was in office is now considered to
rank as one of our seven Near Great Presidents -- and #7 in the overall
rankings.
Here's The List:
Great:
1. George Washington
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Near Great:
4. Thomas Jefferson
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Ronald Reagan
7. Harry Truman
8. Dwight Eisenhower
9. James Polk
10. Andrew Jackson
Both men were/are very STUBBORN and have/had GRIT, in the best American
sense, in the face of unwarranted and misinformed criticism. So did Ronald
Reagan.
They stuck to their guns and the Republic has been the better for it.
Historians will be writing some good books about all this -- and many bad
ones too.
The best will come after most of us are long dead.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
Jack Linthicum
You're kidding, of course?
Vincent Brannigan
> George Walker Bush, our 43rd American President, has MUCH in common with
> Harry S. Truman, our 33rd American President -- and some piquant
> differences.
>
> Both men were VERY much "misunderestimated" by many of the American People
> while they were in office.
>
> Truman, who was considered by many of our effete "Liberal" eggheads and
> academics to have been a failure while he was in office is now considered to
> rank as one of our seven Near Great Presidents -- and #7 in the overall
> rankings.
talk about revisionism
It was the Douglas MacArthur loving right wing and the white supremecist
south that hated Truman
from wiki
"The States' Rights Democratic Party was a short-lived splinter group
that broke from the Democratic Party in 1948. The States' Rights
Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim
Crow laws and racial segregation. The party's slogan was "Segregation
Forever!" Members of the States' Rights Democratic Party were often
known as Dixiecrats.
During the 1948 Democratic National Convention, Southern delegates were
upset by President Harry S. Truman's executive order to racially
integrate the armed forces. The Mayor of Minneapolis, Minnesota Hubert
Humphrey gave a speech urging the party to adopt an anti-segregationist
plank, causing thirty five delegates from Mississippi and Alabama to
walk out. When President Truman endorsed the civil rights plank,
governor of South Carolina Strom Thurmond helped organize the walkout
delegates into a separate party, whose platform was ostensibly concerned
with states' rights."
Vince
D. Spencer Hines
Vincent Brannigan has forgotten all about Henry Wallace in 1948...
Or Never Knew...
Revisionist History Indeed -- Soviet Style.
James Hogg
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>George Walker Bush, our 43rd American President, has MUCH in common with
>Harry S. Truman, our 33rd American President -- and some piquant
>differences.
>
>Both men were VERY much "misunderestimated" by many of the American People
>while they were in office.
>
>Truman, who was considered by many of our effete "Liberal" eggheads and
>academics to have been a failure while he was in office is now considered to
>rank as one of our seven Near Great Presidents -- and #7 in the overall
>rankings.
>
>Here's The List:
>
>Great:
>
>1. George Washington
>2. Abraham Lincoln
>3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
>
>Near Great:
>
>4. Thomas Jefferson
>5. Theodore Roosevelt
>6. Ronald Reagan
>7. Harry Truman
>8. Dwight Eisenhower
>9. James Polk
>10. Andrew Jackson
I don't know who's wesponsible for that wanking list,
but I can continue the list that Woody Allen started:
Best Fascist Dictator:
1. Adolf Hitler
2. Francisco Franco
3. Chester Arthur
Near Great:
4. Antonio Salazar
5. Augusto Pinochet
6. Benito Mussolini
7. Idi Amin
8. Karlis Ulmanis
9. Oswald Mosley
10. Eoin O'Duffy
11. James Hogg
D. Spencer Hines
"To err is Truman" was the supercilious, patronizing attitude.
"McCarthyism" actually began with Truman and the Loyalty Oaths.
Even Gans will admit that -- grudgingly. Gans was born in 1933. So he IS
old enough to remember.
Brannigan, born circa 1950, is too young to remember all this from personal
experience. [Truman left office in January 1953, succeeded by Eisenhower.]
So am I, but I'm far more widely read and versed in 20th Century American
History, Politics and Culture than he. <g>
I had a Great Teacher -- John Morton Blum.
And I've filled in the blanks...
Many folks are VERY ignorant about what happened ten to twenty years BEFORE
they were born and ten to fifteen years AFTER they were born.
Because it's not much taught in the schools...
So that's often a 30 or even 40 year black hole for them -- unless they do
their homework.
And most pogues and poguettes DON'T -- so they STAY ignorant about that
period for a Lifetime.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
La N
"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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It's "happy hour" *hic* in Hawaii ....
- nilita (Mr. James Hogg would be proud of my use of alliteration)
Ray O'Hara
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:Z%0Xj.771$v91....@eagle.america.net...
> George Walker Bush, our 43rd American President, has MUCH in common with
> Harry S. Truman, our 33rd American President -- and some piquant
> differences.
>
> Both men were VERY much "misunderestimated" by many of the American People
> while they were in office.
>
> Truman, who was considered by many of our effete "Liberal" eggheads and
> academics to have been a failure while he was in office is now considered
to
> rank as one of our seven Near Great Presidents -- and #7 in the overall
> rankings.
>
> Here's The List:
>
> Great:
>
> 1. George Washington
> 2. Abraham Lincoln
> 3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
>
> Near Great:
>
> 4. Thomas Jefferson
> 5. Theodore Roosevelt
> 6. Ronald Reagan
> 7. Harry Truman
> 8. Dwight Eisenhower
> 9. James Polk
> 10. Andrew Jackson
how did ike get on the list. he was somewhere between useless and
incompetent.
and reagan besides being the now 2nd worst{the chimp bumped him up one spot}
was a traitor.
truman was fine but 7 is a bit high.
old hickory was a good president but he was the 2nd most evil man to be
president.
william henry harrison was the most evil, it's good he died early.
i'd give abe a nod over GWwith FDR/TJ tied at 3, then polk and TR to round
out the top 5 spots.
Zomby...@cox.net
Yeah, by firing Generals who told them what they didn't want to hear.
--
"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli
Zomby...@cox.net
Wiki is more peoples opinions then actual facts.
Ray O'Hara
Kerryn Offord
> <Zomby...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:f7tp24tfnrf0d2s4e...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:56:24 GMT, Vincent Brannigan
>> <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote:
>> >from wiki
>>> "The States' Rights Democratic Party was a short-lived splinter group
>>> that broke from the Democratic Party in 1948. The States' Rights
>>> Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim
>>> Crow laws and racial segregation. The party's slogan was "Segregation
>>> Forever!" Members of the States' Rights Democratic Party were often
>>> known as Dixiecrats.
>>>
>>> During the 1948 Democratic National Convention, Southern delegates were
>>> upset by President Harry S. Truman's executive order to racially
>>> integrate the armed forces. The Mayor of Minneapolis, Minnesota Hubert
>>> Humphrey gave a speech urging the party to adopt an anti-segregationist
>>> plank, causing thirty five delegates from Mississippi and Alabama to
>>> walk out. When President Truman endorsed the civil rights plank,
>>> governor of South Carolina Strom Thurmond helped organize the walkout
>>> delegates into a separate party, whose platform was ostensibly concerned
>>> with states' rights."
>>>
>> Wiki is more peoples opinions then actual facts.
>
> actually wiki is fine.
>
>
especially as a first port of call..
reliability of articles varies.. but the more cites/ links/ references
they offer the better
Quite often they have direct quotes from government and other "reliable"
sources...
D. Spencer Hines
George W. Bush ------>>>> John S. McCain -- ?
DSH
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George Walker Bush, our 43rd American President, has MUCH in common with
Harry S. Truman, our 33rd American President -- and some piquant
differences.
Both men were VERY much "misunderestimated" by many of the American People
while they were in office.
Truman, who was considered by many of our effete "Liberal" eggheads and
academics to have been a failure while he was in office is now considered to
rank as one of our seven Near Great Presidents -- and #7 in the overall
rankings.
Here's The List:
Great:
1. George Washington
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Near Great:
4. Thomas Jefferson
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Ronald Reagan
7. Harry Truman
8. Dwight Eisenhower
9. James Polk
10. Andrew Jackson
Both men were/are very STUBBORN and have/had GRIT, in the best American
sense, in the face of unwarranted and misinformed criticism. So did Ronald
Reagan.
They stuck to their guns and the Republic has been the better for it.
Historians will be writing some good books about all this -- and many bad
D. Spencer Hines
#29 overall.
William Black
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:XymYj.868$v91....@eagle.america.net...
> President Ulysses S. Grant ranks in the Below Average category...
>
> #29 overall.
>
How do they work it out.
Is there a sort of scoring system, you know 'wars lost -7 points', 'wars
won, plus 3 points', 'vast quagmires you lost armies in -200 points',
'price of oil quadruples because of your staggering ineptitude, -2,000
points'?
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.