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JTEM
Apr 15, 2012, 2:20:47 AM4/15/12
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I'm sure you think I'm kidding, but in big bold
headlines the German publication Der
Spiegel pronounced JTEM triumphant and
Giwer an ignorant ass-clown.
Well, okay, they didn't use those exact words.
Not exactly.
What they said was:
: The Jews had significant competition in antiquity
: when it came to worshipping Yahweh.
: Archeologists have discovered a second great
: temple not far from Jerusalem that predates its
: better known cousin. It belonged to the
: Samaritans, and may have been edited out of
: the Bible once the rivalry had been decided.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,827144,00.html
Need I remind everyone that this is the scenario
that I have been arguing for quite some time?
Hmm?
Well, need I?
headlines the German publication Der
Spiegel pronounced JTEM triumphant and
Giwer an ignorant ass-clown.
Well, okay, they didn't use those exact words.
Not exactly.
What they said was:
: The Jews had significant competition in antiquity
: when it came to worshipping Yahweh.
: Archeologists have discovered a second great
: temple not far from Jerusalem that predates its
: better known cousin. It belonged to the
: Samaritans, and may have been edited out of
: the Bible once the rivalry had been decided.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,827144,00.html
Need I remind everyone that this is the scenario
that I have been arguing for quite some time?
Hmm?
Well, need I?
hielan' laddie
Apr 15, 2012, 7:39:17 AM4/15/12
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 02:20:47 -0400, JTEM wrote
(in article
<6a3c27ac-9fae-4835...@a5g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>):
Giwer has always been an ass clown, for many reasons. If just about anyone
says something with which Giwer disagrees, the odds are incredibly high that
they're right and Giwer is wrong. He's reliable that way.
(in article
<6a3c27ac-9fae-4835...@a5g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>):
says something with which Giwer disagrees, the odds are incredibly high that
they're right and Giwer is wrong. He's reliable that way.
Matt Giwer
Apr 15, 2012, 11:40:42 PM4/15/12
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its destruction.
Yet the lead to the story declares it was DISCOVERED!
What kind of an idiot would cite an article that only a low life
journalism major could produce? Your kind obviously.
JTEM
Apr 16, 2012, 1:47:28 AM4/16/12
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Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> Excuse me. The this temple has NEVER been unknown. Josephus mentions
> its destruction.
The writings attributed to Josephus give it
> >
> Excuse me. The this temple has NEVER been unknown. Josephus mentions
> its destruction.
the wrong age. The date it to a much more
recent times. In fact, according to Josephus
the Samaritans were asking Alexander the
Great permission to build it, and it was
already more than a century old when Alexander
was on the scene...
Funny how you cite an appallingly inaccurate
source in an attack on an inaccurate source...
"Hypocrisy."
> Yet the lead to the story declares it was DISCOVERED!
facts wrong. As I pointed out, it dates
the split/rewrite to the Assyrians, and
the Assyrians arrived on the scene centuries
before the temple at the heart of the split.
> What kind of an idiot would cite an article that only a low life
> journalism major could produce? Your kind obviously.
wade through the inaccuracies of a Josephus
to arrive at the truth, but you are completely
lost at an English-language translation of a
German news piece (NOT field report, NOT
scholarly article).
Martin Edwards
Apr 16, 2012, 3:27:22 AM4/16/12
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On 15/04/2012 12:39, hielan' laddie wrote:
>>
>
> Giwer has always been an ass clown, for many reasons. If just about anyone
> says something with which Giwer disagrees, the odds are incredibly high that
> they're right and Giwer is wrong. He's reliable that way.
>
I don't disagree, or not completely, but why do you choose a handle
>>
>
> Giwer has always been an ass clown, for many reasons. If just about anyone
> says something with which Giwer disagrees, the odds are incredibly high that
> they're right and Giwer is wrong. He's reliable that way.
>
which describes you as a highlander, but in Scots?
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
Matt Giwer
Apr 17, 2012, 1:45:12 AM4/17/12
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haaretz.com has reported Israel pays people like you to promote zionist
bullshit. If you are not being paid now apply for a job. If you need a
recommendation I will be happy to swear you are no dumber than the rest
of the Ha'Sbara team that supports the jewish dictatorship.
Matt Giwer
Apr 17, 2012, 2:00:51 AM4/17/12
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JTEM
Apr 17, 2012, 2:13:55 AM4/17/12
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Such scholarly work! It's breathtaking!
In one short sentence you've completely
reformed Josephus, done away with his
enormous string of errors even as you've
effectively accounted for the peculiar
lack of evidence which, up until now, had
always seemed to condemn your theories as
the rantings of a mad man. Congratulations.
In one short sentence you've completely
reformed Josephus, done away with his
enormous string of errors even as you've
effectively accounted for the peculiar
lack of evidence which, up until now, had
always seemed to condemn your theories as
the rantings of a mad man. Congratulations.
JTEM
Apr 18, 2012, 11:13:36 PM4/18/12
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(Note large number of exclamation points)
I kid you not (that means, "Dude, I ain't joking here"),
Matt Giwer -- the one and only Matt Giwer -- has one
hit on Google Scholar and this is it:
: The web of hate: An exploratory study of holocaust
: denial on the net
http://summit.sfu.ca/item/9007
If you score a copy of the paper you'll have a little difficulty
finding Giwer. He's located within a footnote on page 38.
Yes, everybody laugh at him! I promised to interview
him, give him a chance to deliver his best argument,
and then place his interview on the web and elsewhere
where he or anyone else could access it.
He fled like a little girl. Refused to do it.
Matt Giwer: Failed Holocaust denier!
-- --
Try this. It's for real. I got $30 worth of food at a
local restaurant for $15. I honestly use this:
http://www.groupon.com/r/uu39797360
I kid you not (that means, "Dude, I ain't joking here"),
Matt Giwer -- the one and only Matt Giwer -- has one
hit on Google Scholar and this is it:
: The web of hate: An exploratory study of holocaust
: denial on the net
http://summit.sfu.ca/item/9007
If you score a copy of the paper you'll have a little difficulty
finding Giwer. He's located within a footnote on page 38.
Yes, everybody laugh at him! I promised to interview
him, give him a chance to deliver his best argument,
and then place his interview on the web and elsewhere
where he or anyone else could access it.
He fled like a little girl. Refused to do it.
Matt Giwer: Failed Holocaust denier!
-- --
Try this. It's for real. I got $30 worth of food at a
local restaurant for $15. I honestly use this:
http://www.groupon.com/r/uu39797360
Paul J Gans
Apr 19, 2012, 1:12:27 PM4/19/12
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In soc.history.medieval JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>(Note large number of exclamation points)
>I kid you not (that means, "Dude, I ain't joking here"),
>Matt Giwer -- the one and only Matt Giwer -- has one
>hit on Google Scholar and this is it:
>: The web of hate: An exploratory study of holocaust
>: denial on the net
> http://summit.sfu.ca/item/9007
>If you score a copy of the paper you'll have a little difficulty
>finding Giwer. He's located within a footnote on page 38.
>Yes, everybody laugh at him! I promised to interview
>him, give him a chance to deliver his best argument,
>and then place his interview on the web and elsewhere
>where he or anyone else could access it.
>He fled like a little girl. Refused to do it.
>Matt Giwer: Failed Holocaust denier!
As has been noted here (and elsewhere on the net) over and
>(Note large number of exclamation points)
>I kid you not (that means, "Dude, I ain't joking here"),
>Matt Giwer -- the one and only Matt Giwer -- has one
>hit on Google Scholar and this is it:
>: The web of hate: An exploratory study of holocaust
>: denial on the net
> http://summit.sfu.ca/item/9007
>If you score a copy of the paper you'll have a little difficulty
>finding Giwer. He's located within a footnote on page 38.
>Yes, everybody laugh at him! I promised to interview
>him, give him a chance to deliver his best argument,
>and then place his interview on the web and elsewhere
>where he or anyone else could access it.
>He fled like a little girl. Refused to do it.
>Matt Giwer: Failed Holocaust denier!
over again for many years, Giwer is a rather notorious holocaust
denier and major anti-semite.
He's allowed to have those opinions. What he is not allowed
to do is to represent himself as open and unbiased on these
issues.
[Massive crossposting deleted]
--
--- Paul J. Gans
hielan' laddie
Apr 19, 2012, 9:31:44 PM4/19/12
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 03:27:22 -0400, Martin Edwards wrote
(in article <uRPir.29785$m91....@fx24.am4>):
> On 15/04/2012 12:39, hielan' laddie wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Giwer has always been an ass clown, for many reasons. If just about anyone
>> says something with which Giwer disagrees, the odds are incredibly high that
>> they're right and Giwer is wrong. He's reliable that way.
>>
> I don't disagree, or not completely, but why do you choose a handle
> which describes you as a highlander, but in Scots?
>
>
I like Bobby Burns' work.
(in article <uRPir.29785$m91....@fx24.am4>):
> On 15/04/2012 12:39, hielan' laddie wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Giwer has always been an ass clown, for many reasons. If just about anyone
>> says something with which Giwer disagrees, the odds are incredibly high that
>> they're right and Giwer is wrong. He's reliable that way.
>>
> I don't disagree, or not completely, but why do you choose a handle
> which describes you as a highlander, but in Scots?
>
>
VtSkier
Apr 19, 2012, 9:41:24 PM4/19/12
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Ole Bobby wasn't a highlander. IIRC he didn't speak Gaelic.
hielan' laddie
Apr 20, 2012, 3:09:19 PM4/20/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:41:24 -0400, VtSkier wrote
(in article <13348861...@deathstar.vermontel.net>):
I know. However, see, just for example, 'Bannockburn'.
(in article <13348861...@deathstar.vermontel.net>):
VtSkier
Apr 20, 2012, 4:23:17 PM4/20/12
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to see? Robert certainly had highlanders in his army but neither he nor
his commanders were highlanders. The feudal system imported from the
continent was far to entrenched and the highlanders were pretty much
resistant to its demands. But they would fight.
Odysseus
Apr 21, 2012, 4:32:04 AM4/21/12
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In article <jmqea...@news6.newsguy.com>,
hielan' laddie <bobbi...@bobbybruce.co.uk.not> wrote:
<snip>
> I like Bobby Burns' work.
It's a fine pipe tune too.
--
Odysseus
hielan' laddie <bobbi...@bobbybruce.co.uk.not> wrote:
<snip>
> I like Bobby Burns' work.
--
Odysseus
Martin Edwards
Apr 21, 2012, 6:06:17 AM4/21/12
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On 20/04/2012 20:09, hielan' laddie wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:41:24 -0400, VtSkier wrote
> (in article<13348861...@deathstar.vermontel.net>):
>
>> On 4/19/2012 9:31 PM, hielan' laddie wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 03:27:22 -0400, Martin Edwards wrote
>>> (in article<uRPir.29785$m91....@fx24.am4>):
>>>
>>>> On 15/04/2012 12:39, hielan' laddie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Giwer has always been an ass clown, for many reasons. If just about anyone
>>>>> says something with which Giwer disagrees, the odds are incredibly high
>>>>> that
>>>>> they're right and Giwer is wrong. He's reliable that way.
>>>>>
>>>> I don't disagree, or not completely, but why do you choose a handle
>>>> which describes you as a highlander, but in Scots?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>gl
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:41:24 -0400, VtSkier wrote
> (in article<13348861...@deathstar.vermontel.net>):
>
>> On 4/19/2012 9:31 PM, hielan' laddie wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 03:27:22 -0400, Martin Edwards wrote
>>> (in article<uRPir.29785$m91....@fx24.am4>):
>>>
>>>> On 15/04/2012 12:39, hielan' laddie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Giwer has always been an ass clown, for many reasons. If just about anyone
>>>>> says something with which Giwer disagrees, the odds are incredibly high
>>>>> that
>>>>> they're right and Giwer is wrong. He's reliable that way.
>>>>>
>>>> I don't disagree, or not completely, but why do you choose a handle
>>>> which describes you as a highlander, but in Scots?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I like Bobby Burns' work.
>>>
>>
>> yahbut...
>> Ole Bobby wasn't a highlander. IIRC he didn't speak Gaelic.
>
>
> I know. However, see, just for example, 'Bannockburn'.
>
Most of his works were in English. Only the funny ones, such as the
>>>
>>
>> yahbut...
>> Ole Bobby wasn't a highlander. IIRC he didn't speak Gaelic.
>
>
> I know. However, see, just for example, 'Bannockburn'.
>
hymn to the Haggis, were in Scots.
Martin Edwards
Apr 21, 2012, 6:17:52 AM4/21/12
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On 20/04/2012 21:23, VtSkier wrote:
>
> So I googled and I'm familiar with the battle. What else was I supposed
> to see? Robert certainly had highlanders in his army but neither he nor
> his commanders were highlanders. The feudal system imported from the
> continent was far to entrenched and the highlanders were pretty much
> resistant to its demands. But they would fight.
>
>
>
He was a Norman knight with holdings in both countries, which was quit
>
> So I googled and I'm familiar with the battle. What else was I supposed
> to see? Robert certainly had highlanders in his army but neither he nor
> his commanders were highlanders. The feudal system imported from the
> continent was far to entrenched and the highlanders were pretty much
> resistant to its demands. But they would fight.
>
>
>
common at the time. Some of the finance for his campaign came from
revenues from his estates in, of all places, Surrey.
JTEM
Apr 23, 2012, 9:13:05 AM4/23/12
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Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
> As has been noted here (and elsewhere on the net) over and
> over again for many years, Giwer is a rather notorious holocaust
> denier and major anti-semite.
Really? I hadn't heard. He's kept it a secret over in this group.
> As has been noted here (and elsewhere on the net) over and
> over again for many years, Giwer is a rather notorious holocaust
> denier and major anti-semite.
> He's allowed to have those opinions.
> What he is not allowed to do is to represent himself as open
> and unbiased on these issues.
misrepresenting himself as open & unbiased, and repeating
disinformation.
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