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D. Spencer Hines

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"What feminist supporters have recently denounced as troglodytic misogyny in
media portrayals of Hillary has in fact been a function of her own strange
sexual accommodations and ambiguities."

"Yes, she may surround herself with luscious, multicultural babes (such as
her minder, Huma Abedin, or her now sacked aide, Patty Solis Doyle), but
Hillary, despite the rumours, is no lesbian. She's a crucifix-wearing,
Methodist do-gooder who confidently thinks she's God's agent. There's no
room for random eroticism in her calendar."...

"Hillary's recent remarks about politics as a "boys' club" resistant to
uppity women was sheer demagoguery. By progressing farther than any woman
presidential candidate, she has become a role model for future aspirants.
But by attaching herself so blatantly to anti-male rhetoric - particularly
in view of her debt to her husband - she is espousing a retrograde brand of
feminism no longer applicable to the US."

"If Hillary loses, batten the hatches against a mass resurrection of
paranoid, paleo-feminist martyrs, counting their wounds and wailing at the
blood-red moon."

Camille Paglia
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Hilarious!

And if Obama loses, his supporters will rant, whine and wail that "America
Is A Racist Society"...and perhaps try to burn down several cities.

Take your pick.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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Why women shouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton

By Camille Paglia
21/04/2008

Is Hillary Clinton the saviour of feminism? Or its albatross, dragging
feminism backwards under a weary weight of old-guard victimology and
male-bashing?

The scrum is on! Feminist grand panjandrums like Gloria Steinem
have leapt back into the arena, while younger women have seized the feminist
banner to proclaim Hillary the messianic Wonder Woman, destined to smash the
glass ceiling of the presidency.

All women, on pain of excommunication from the feminist claque, must
now support Hillary. Never mind her spotty record or her naked political
expediency. Any woman with the temerity to endorse Barack Obama (as I do) is
condemned as a "traitor" to her sex. "Gender is probably the most
restricting force in American life," trumpeted Steinem earlier this year in
an article promoting Hillary in the New York Times. Barriers of race, class
or economics are waved away as mere frippery.

As a resident of Philadelphia, I am currently under siege by the
firestorm of political adverts heading toward Tuesday's Pennsylvania
primary, which Hillary has long been expected to win. She has roots in this
state: her grandfather was a Welshman who settled in the coal-mining city of
Scranton, which remains conservative and working-class. Women there are
tough and blunt, with few illusions about life.

Hillary's voter base consists of middle-aged to elderly white women
who identify with her caustic, stubborn, bulldog resilience. Humiliated and
upstaged by her philandering husband, Hillary is the champion of an army of
women who were stymied, betrayed or outmanoeuvred by men. Over the past
year, whenever her cowed male opponents mildly rebutted Hillary in debate,
her campaign jumped into über-feminist mode: male bullies, they screeched,
"ganging up" on a helpless damsel.

Losing ground with other core groups - notably her own cohort of
upper-middle-class, baby-boom career woman - Hillary played the gender card
to the max. When polling showed she had seemed too harsh to the caucus-goers
of Iowa, she rolled out teary eyes for New Hampshire, which handed her a
primary victory. Hillary will scratch, claw, and morph through every gender
trick if it rakes in votes.

This symbol of raw female ambition has never comfortably fitted into a
conventional sex role. As the first child of a hard-working and
authoritarian father, Hillary absorbed his willfulness, competitive drive
and suspicion. Excelling academically, Hillary felt ill at ease with the
feminine persona so deftly deployed by pretty, popular girls in that era.
Frumpy, stumpy and myopic, she identified with the new idolatry of shiny
careerism promulgated by the second-wave feminism of the late 1960s, when
she emerged from posh Wellesley College.

Though she would specialise in women's and children's issues,
Hillary's public statements have often betrayed an ambivalence about women
who chose a non-feminist path. "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked
cookies," she sneered during Bill's 1992 presidential campaign. Then,
defending her husband against the claims of a 12-year affair by Gennifer
Flowers, Hillary snapped: "I'm not sittin' here like some little woman,
standing by my man like Tammy Wynette" - a sally that boomeranged when
Hillary had to make an abject apology. The irony is that Hillary had
offended the very group of stoical, put-upon, working-class women who are
now proving to be her staunchest supporters.

Whatever her official feminist credo, Hillary's public career has
glaringly been a subset to her husband's success. Despite her reputation for
brilliance, she failed the Washington, DC bar exam. Thus her migration to
Little Rock was not simply a selfless drama for love; she was fleeing the
capital where she had hoped to make her mark.

In Little Rock, every role that Hillary played was obtained via her
husband's influence - from her position at the Rose Law Firm to her seat on
the board of Wal-Mart to her advocacy for public education reform. In a
pattern that would continue after Bill became president, Hillary would draw
attention by expressing public "concern" for a problem, without ever being
able to organise a programme for reform.

Hillary has always been a policy wonk, a functionary attuned to
bureaucratic process, but she has never shown executive ability, which makes
her quest for the presidency problematic. Hillary's disastrous botching of
national healthcare reform in 1993 (a project to which her husband rashly
appointed her) will live in infamy. Obama may also have limited executive
experience, but he has no comparable stain on his record.

The argument, therefore, that Hillary's candidacy marks the zenith of
modern feminism is specious. Feminism is not well served by her surrogates'
constant tactic of attributing all opposition to her as a function of
entrenched sexism. Well into her second term as a US Senator, Hillary lacks
a single example of major legislative achievement. Her career has consisted
of fundraising, meet-and-greets and speeches around the world expressing
support for women's rights.

What feminist supporters have recently denounced as troglodytic
misogyny in media portrayals of Hillary has in fact been a function of her
own strange sexual accommodations and ambiguities. Yes, she may surround
herself with luscious, multicultural babes (such as her minder, Huma Abedin,
or her now sacked aide, Patty Solis Doyle), but Hillary, despite the
rumours, is no lesbian. She's a crucifix-wearing, Methodist do-gooder who
confidently thinks she's God's agent. There's no room for random eroticism
in her calendar.

Genuinely disturbing are the caricatures of Hillary (called "Hitlery"
or "the Hildebeast" on the web) that rarely accrue to male candidates: she's
portrayed as a hectoring nag, a witch on a broomstick, or a castrating
bitch. But if such images were truly generated by simple fear of female
power, we would expect to find them around other women politicians too, such
as the current female Speaker of the House.

No, Hillary was demonised by the American electorate long before she
sought elective office. It is Bill Clinton who is responsible for the
tainted sexual aura around his wife.

Furthermore, Hillary's mythomania and her chameleon-like daily
alterations of persona and voice are unsettling. (Even Hillary's eye colour
is fake: she wears blue contact lenses.) No male candidate enjoys Hillary's
options as a woman to tailor her costume to the audience.

Hillary's recent remarks about politics as a "boys' club" resistant to
uppity women was sheer demagoguery. By progressing farther than any woman
presidential candidate, she has become a role model for future aspirants.
But by attaching herself so blatantly to anti-male rhetoric - particularly
in view of her debt to her husband - she is espousing a retrograde brand of
feminism no longer applicable to the US.

If Hillary loses, batten the hatches against a mass resurrection of
paranoid, paleo-feminist martyrs, counting their wounds and wailing at the
blood-red moon.


Rockinghorse Winner

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Apr 28, 2008, 12:43:52 AM4/28/08
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In soc.history.medieval, D. Spencer Hines had the audacity to say that:

> "What feminist supporters have recently denounced as troglodytic misogyny in
> media portrayals of Hillary has in fact been a function of her own strange
> sexual accommodations and ambiguities."
>
> "Yes, she may surround herself with luscious, multicultural babes (such as
> her minder, Huma Abedin, or her now sacked aide, Patty Solis Doyle), but
> Hillary, despite the rumours, is no lesbian. She's a crucifix-wearing,
> Methodist do-gooder who confidently thinks she's God's agent. There's no
> room for random eroticism in her calendar."...
>
> "Hillary's recent remarks about politics as a "boys' club" resistant to
> uppity women was sheer demagoguery. By progressing farther than any woman
> presidential candidate, she has become a role model for future aspirants.
> But by attaching herself so blatantly to anti-male rhetoric - particularly
> in view of her debt to her husband - she is espousing a retrograde brand of
> feminism no longer applicable to the US."
>
> "If Hillary loses, batten the hatches against a mass resurrection of
> paranoid, paleo-feminist martyrs, counting their wounds and wailing at the
> blood-red moon."
>
> Camille Paglia

Wow, she can wail, can't she?


> ------------------------------------------------
>
> Hilarious!
>
> And if Obama loses, his supporters will rant, whine and wail that "America
> Is A Racist Society"...and perhaps try to burn down several cities.

IF he loses, whereya been? The Obama frat party is already preparing the
alibi for the expected loss in the general. I can't count how many
references to rednecks and racists I've read in the past 2 weeks. Nice way
to woo those Republicrats -- malign their motives!

*R* *H*

Scott M. Kozel

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May 7, 2008, 7:17:32 PM5/7/08
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"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>
> "What feminist supporters have recently denounced as troglodytic misogyny in
> media portrayals ofHillaryhas in fact been a function of her own strange
> sexual accommodations and ambiguities."

Why is it that lately, nearly every news photo of her, has her with
her mouth wide open?

D. Spencer Hines

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May 7, 2008, 7:24:22 PM5/7/08
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Hillary has actually been looking much better lately.

Today she has a crimson red jacket, very tasteful, elegant collar and some
sort of silver neck band.

She's in West Virginia, where she is projected to win the Democrat Primary.

Shepherdstown.

West Virginia -- Wonderful State...

DSH

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> "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>>
>> "What feminist supporters have recently denounced as troglodytic misogyny
>> in

>> media portrayals of Hillary has in fact been a function of her own
>> strange
>> sexual accommodations and ambiguities." [Camille Paglia]

Billzz

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May 7, 2008, 8:12:03 PM5/7/08
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"Scott M. Kozel" <koz...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Being mostly apolitical I think I can say, with some certainty, that same
photo opportunity is true of every politician.


Dom

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May 8, 2008, 8:40:50 AM5/8/08
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On Apr 21, 9:08 am, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>
> Why women shouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton
>
> By Camille Paglia
>  21/04/2008
>
>       Is Hillary Clinton the saviour of feminism? Or its albatross, dragging
> feminism backwards under a weary weight of old-guard victimology and
> male-bashing?

Billary's legacy is secure--the disastrous 8 years of the current
occupant of the White House. I recall reading a newspaper article
claiming that slick Willy wanted to resign in Jan 1998, when the
Monica Lewinsky scandal broke. But Hillary vetoed this proposal. After
all, their resignation would have doomed her own future political
ambitions, and it would have been highly unlikely that she would have
become the Diva of the Senate and a presidential candidate today.

It is my firm opinion that, if Billary had resigned in 1998, it is
very likely that W would not have become a candidate and that Al Gore
would have been reelected in 2000. Moreover, the National Security
staff, unhampered by clueless Condoleezza Rice, might have been able
to connect the dots prior to the 9/11 attacks.

I cannot understand why Paglia and other pundits have not examined and
exposed the details, and the dissastrous consequences, of Billary's
failure to resign in 1998.

Scott M. Kozel

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May 8, 2008, 9:44:24 PM5/8/08
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"Billzz" <billzzstr...@starband.net> wrote:
>
> "Scott M.Kozel" <koze...@comcast.net> wrote

> > "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>
> >> "What feminist supporters have recently denounced as troglodytic misogyny
> >> in
> >> media portrayals ofHillaryhas in fact been a function of her own strange
> >> sexual accommodations and ambiguities."
>
> > Why is it that lately, nearly every news photo of her, has her with
> > hermouthwide open?

>
> Being mostly apolitical I think I can say, with some certainty, that same
> photo opportunity is true of every politician.

But much, MUCH more pronounced and frequent in the case of her recent
news photos.

D. Spencer Hines

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May 8, 2008, 10:03:14 PM5/8/08
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True...

But that's because the Drive-By Media is in the tank for Obama.

DSH

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Scott M. Kozel

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May 8, 2008, 11:45:06 PM5/8/08
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"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:

> True...
>
> But that's because the Drive-By Media is in the tank for Obama.

Ohh ... so you think that the Drive-By Media is doing those "mouth
wide open" photos to make Hillary look less appealing as a candidate?

Good point ...

> "Scott M. Kozel" <koze...@comcast.net> wrote

D. Spencer Hines

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May 9, 2008, 1:40:47 AM5/9/08
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Yes, they want to make her look ridiculous because they feel she is damaging
Obama.

DSH

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Scott M. Kozel

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May 10, 2008, 12:13:13 AM5/10/08
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"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
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> Yes, they want to make her look ridiculous because they feel
> she is damaging Obama.

I originally thought that the Drive-Bys intended it to make her look
"more powerful", but it is good that I got more feedback here as to
what they were up to. The photos do make her look more annoying...


> "Scott M.Kozel" <koze...@comcast.net> wrote
> > "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>
> >> True...
>
> >> But that's because the Drive-By Media is in the tank for Obama.
>
> > Ohh ... so you think that the Drive-By Media is doing those "mouth

> > wide open" photos to makeHillarylook less appealing as a candidate?
>
> > Good point ...
>
> >> "Scott M.Kozel" <koze...@comcast.net> wrote

Scott M. Kozel

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May 14, 2008, 10:11:28 PM5/14/08
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"Scott M. Kozel" <koze...@comcast.net> wrote:
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> "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, they want to make her look ridiculous because they feel
> > she is damaging Obama.
>
> I originally thought that the Drive-Bys intended it to make her look
> "more powerful", but it is good that I got more feedback here as to
> what they were up to. The photos do make her look more annoying...

See what I mean??

http://media.knoxnews.com/kns/content/img/photos/2008/05/13/051408hillary1_t220.jpg

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/may/14/clinton-carries-west-virginia-easily/

D. Spencer Hines

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May 14, 2008, 10:25:29 PM5/14/08
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Yes...

The Drive-By Media are determined to bring her down and force her out of the
race.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

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Zomby...@cox.net

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On Thu, 15 May 2008 03:25:29 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:

>Yes...
>
>The Drive-By Media are determined to bring her down and force her out of the
>race.
>

Actually that is my goal.
--
"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli

Jack Linthicum

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On May 15, 9:53 am, Zomby-W...@cox.net wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 03:25:29 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
>
> <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
> >Yes...
>
> >The Drive-By Media are determined to bring her down and force her out of the
> >race.
>
> Actually that is my goal.
> --
> "Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli

To dream ... the impossible dream ...
To fight ... the unbeatable foe ...
To bear ... with unbearable sorrow ...
To run ... where the brave dare not go ...
To right ... the unrightable wrong ...
To love ... pure and chaste from afar ...
To try ... when your arms are too weary ...
To reach ... the unreachable star ...

This is my quest, to follow that star ...
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far ...
To fight for the right, without question or pause ...
To be willing to march into Hell, for a Heavenly cause ...

And I know if I'll only be true, to this glorious quest,
That my heart will lie will lie peaceful and calm,
when I'm laid to my rest ...
And the world will be better for this:
That one man, scorned and covered with scars,
Still strove, with his last ounce of courage,
To reach ... the unreachable star ...

La N

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<Zomby...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 15 May 2008 03:25:29 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
> <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>
>>Yes...
>>
>>The Drive-By Media are determined to bring her down and force her out of
>>the
>>race.
>>
> Actually that is my goal.
> --

How so? By badmouthing her on Usenet?

- nilita


Richard Casady

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May 15, 2008, 4:44:46 PM5/15/08
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While I can agree with the ideas, it, and, politics, are not naval
science or history. It doesn't really belong here. Of course, thread
drift seems to be universal, found at every NG. All I want is an
occasional rename so the threads don't grow to two or three hundred
posts.

Rant mode off

Casady

D. Spencer Hines

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May 15, 2008, 5:10:06 PM5/15/08
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Casady has obviously never seen a 3,000-plus post thread.

Inexperienced USENETTER.

DSH

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>...All I want is an occasional rename so the threads don't grow to

Zomby...@cox.net

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On Thu, 15 May 2008 14:18:01 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Sheeeit, I just let her bad mouth herself. You want her, send her
plane fare. I've heard she'll move anywhere she thinks she can get
elected.

Don't tell me you are over enamored with her because you share the
same genitalia. Most voting for her are, or are she-males.

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