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D. Spencer Hines  
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(2 users)  More options May 15, 4:24 pm
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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:24:10 +0100
Local: Thurs, May 15 2008 4:24 pm
Subject: George Walker Bush & Harry S. Truman
George Walker Bush, our 43rd American President, has MUCH in common with
Harry S. Truman, our 33rd American President -- and some piquant
differences.

Both men were VERY much "misunderestimated" by many of the American People
while they were in office.

Truman, who was considered by many of our effete "Liberal" eggheads and
academics to have been a failure while he was in office is now considered to
rank as one of our seven Near Great Presidents -- and #7 in the overall
rankings.

Here's The List:

Great:

1. George Washington
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Near Great:

4. Thomas Jefferson
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Ronald Reagan
7. Harry Truman
8. Dwight Eisenhower
9.  James Polk
10. Andrew Jackson

Both men were/are very STUBBORN and have/had GRIT, in the best American
sense, in the face of unwarranted and misinformed criticism.  So did Ronald
Reagan.

They stuck to their guns and the Republic has been the better for it.

Historians will be writing some good books about all this -- and many bad
ones too.

The best will come after most of us are long dead.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Deus Vult


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Jack Linthicum  
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(1 user)  More options May 15, 4:29 pm
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From: Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:29:23 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: George Walker Bush & Harry S. Truman
On May 15, 4:24 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:

You're kidding, of course?

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Vincent Brannigan  
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(1 user)  More options May 15, 4:56 pm
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From: Vincent Brannigan <fire...@firelaw.us>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:56:24 GMT
Local: Thurs, May 15 2008 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: George Walker Bush & Harry S. Truman

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> George Walker Bush, our 43rd American President, has MUCH in common with
> Harry S. Truman, our 33rd American President -- and some piquant
> differences.

> Both men were VERY much "misunderestimated" by many of the American People
> while they were in office.

> Truman, who was considered by many of our effete "Liberal" eggheads and
> academics to have been a failure while he was in office is now considered to
> rank as one of our seven Near Great Presidents -- and #7 in the overall
> rankings.

talk about revisionism

It was the Douglas MacArthur loving right wing and the white supremecist
south that hated Truman

from wiki

"The States' Rights Democratic Party was a short-lived splinter group
that broke from the Democratic Party in 1948. The States' Rights
Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim
Crow laws and racial segregation. The party's slogan was "Segregation
Forever!" Members of the States' Rights Democratic Party were often
known as Dixiecrats.

During the 1948 Democratic National Convention, Southern delegates were
upset by President Harry S. Truman's executive order to racially
integrate the armed forces. The Mayor of Minneapolis, Minnesota Hubert
Humphrey gave a speech urging the party to adopt an anti-segregationist
plank, causing thirty five delegates from Mississippi and Alabama to
walk out. When President Truman endorsed the civil rights plank,
governor of South Carolina Strom Thurmond helped organize the walkout
delegates into a separate party, whose platform was ostensibly concerned
with states' rights."

Vince


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D. Spencer Hines  
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(2 users)  More options May 15, 5:07 pm
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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:07:00 +0100
Subject: Re: George Walker Bush & Harry S. Truman
Hilarious!

Vincent Brannigan has forgotten all about Henry Wallace in 1948...

Or Never Knew...

Revisionist History Indeed -- Soviet Style.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas


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James Hogg  
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(2 users)  More options May 15, 5:21 pm
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From: James Hogg <Jas.Hogg...@SPAM.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:21:51 +0100
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Subject: Re: George Walker Bush & Harry S. Truman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:24:10 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"

I don't know who's wesponsible for that wanking list,
but I can continue the list that Woody Allen started:

Best Fascist Dictator:
1. Adolf Hitler
2. Francisco Franco
3. Chester Arthur

Near Great:

4. Antonio Salazar
5. Augusto Pinochet
6. Benito Mussolini
7. Idi Amin
8. Karlis Ulmanis
9. Oswald Mosley
10. Eoin O'Duffy

11. James Hogg


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D. Spencer Hines  
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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:40:15 +0100
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Subject: Re: George Walker Bush & Harry S. Truman
Truman was attacked from BOTH the Left and the Right.

"To err is Truman" was the supercilious, patronizing attitude.

"McCarthyism" actually began with Truman and the Loyalty Oaths.

Even Gans will admit that -- grudgingly.  Gans was born in 1933.  So he IS
old enough to remember.

Brannigan, born circa 1950, is too young to remember all this from personal
experience.  [Truman left office in January 1953, succeeded by Eisenhower.]

So am I, but I'm far more widely read and versed in 20th Century American
History, Politics and Culture than he.  <g>

I had a Great Teacher -- John Morton Blum.

And I've filled in the blanks...

Many folks are VERY ignorant about what happened ten to twenty years BEFORE
they were born and ten to fifteen years AFTER they were born.

Because it's not much taught in the schools...

So that's often a 30 or even 40 year black hole for them -- unless they do
their homework.

And most pogues and poguettes DON'T -- so they STAY ignorant about that
period for a Lifetime.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Deus Vult


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La N  
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From: "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:22:46 GMT
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Subject: Re: George Walker Bush & Harry S. Truman

"Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:6dc462da-33a0-4672-8385-f275712d9b40@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...

It's "happy hour" *hic* in Hawaii ....

- nilita (Mr. James Hogg would be proud of my use of alliteration)


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Ray O'Hara  
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 More options May 15, 10:11 pm
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From: "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu...@rcn.com>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:11:10 -0400
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Subject: Re: George Walker Bush & Harry S. Truman

"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:Z%0Xj.771$v91.2995@eagle.america.net...

 how did ike get on the list. he was somewhere between useless and
incompetent.
and reagan besides being the now 2nd worst{the chimp bumped him up one spot}
was a traitor.
truman was fine but 7 is a bit high.

old hickory was a good  president but he was the 2nd most evil man to be
president.
william henry harrison was the most evil, it's good he died early.

i'd give abe a nod over GWwith FDR/TJ tied at 3, then polk and TR to round
out the top 5 spots.


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zomby-w...@cox.net  
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 More options May 15, 10:43 pm
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From: Zomby-W...@cox.net
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:43:31 -0400
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Subject: Re: George Walker Bush & Harry S. Truman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:24:10 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"

Yeah, by firing Generals who told them what they didn't want to hear.
--
"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli

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From: Zomby-W...@cox.net
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:44:24 -0400
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Subject: Re: George Walker Bush & Harry S. Truman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:56:24 GMT, Vincent Brannigan

Wiki is more peoples opinions then actual facts.
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