“Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided."
Senator William Edgar Borah, [R - Idaho] (1865-1940) -- as Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in September 1939 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared : “Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided."
> "Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been > avoided."
> Senator William Edgar Borah, [R - Idaho] (1865-1940) -- as Nazi tanks > crossed into Poland in September 1939 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and > radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been > wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks > crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared : "Lord, if I > could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided."
> President George Walker Bush -- 15 May 2008
> Bingo!
> DSH
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
there are two options, talk or fight, its always a good idea to talk first, you can always fight after.
the fact is in 38 england wasn't ready for a war and chamberlain knew it. he bought time. as it was the allies were unable to help poland a year+ later when they were invaded in sept 39
and it was chamberlain who DID declare war on germany when hitler violated the munich agreement.
so ultimately it was hitler who guessed wrong
and the czechs and slovaks should have tried to defend their own damn country anyway. they had a reletively large army and the at the time largest arms works in the world in skoda.
skoda was the big prize the german's got, they couldn't have fought the war without its production. half the tanks used in poland , france and in the opening russian campaign were skoda built 35Ts and 38Ts.
D. Spencer Hines wrote: > “Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been > avoided."
> Senator William Edgar Borah, [R - Idaho] (1865-1940) -- as Nazi tanks > crossed into Poland in September 1939 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and > radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been > wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks > crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared : “Lord, if I > could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided."
> President George Walker Bush -- 15 May 2008
> Bingo!
> DSH
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Let us never negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate John F Kennedy
It is ‘better to jaw-jaw than to war-war, Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill
> D. Spencer Hines wrote: >> “Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been >> avoided."
>> Senator William Edgar Borah, [R - Idaho] (1865-1940) -- as Nazi tanks >> crossed into Poland in September 1939 >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and >> radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been >> wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi >> tanks >> crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared : “Lord, if I >> could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided."
>> President George Walker Bush -- 15 May 2008
>> Bingo!
>> DSH
>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas > Let us never negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate > John F Kennedy
> It is ‘better to jaw-jaw than to war-war, > Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill
> OBAMA has said repeatedly that as PRESIDENT he would meet UNCONDITIONALLY > with people such as Ahmadinejad, Castro, Kim Jong Il and so forth...
> A genuinely BAD and grossly NAIVE idea.
> Lower-level talks go on all the time -- with an ambassador or assistant > secretary of state doing the talking -- OR the Swiss, multilateral group, > etc.
> An ENTIRELY different proposition.
> DSH
I agree that Bush is too stupid to be allowed to talk with anyone But it does not have to be that way
>>> “Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been >>> avoided."
>>> Senator William Edgar Borah, [R - Idaho] (1865-1940) -- as Nazi tanks >>> crossed into Poland in September 1939 >>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and >>> radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been >>> wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi >>> tanks >>> crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared : “Lord, if I >>> could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided."
>>> President George Walker Bush -- 15 May 2008
>>> Bingo!
>>> DSH
>>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas >> Let us never negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate >> John F Kennedy
>> It is ‘better to jaw-jaw than to war-war, >> Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill
> “Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been > avoided."
> Senator William Edgar Borah, [R - Idaho] (1865-1940) -- as Nazi tanks > crossed into Poland in September 1939 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and > radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been > wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks > crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared : “Lord, if I > could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided."
> President George Walker Bush -- 15 May 2008
> Bingo!
Bad lotto.
What's with not talking to people?
As people around here should very well know "talking" in no way means making concessions of any kind.
"Talking" is what intelligent people do before they come to blows. That very act of talking has no disadvantage attached, like Bush thinks.
"Not talking" on the other hand is what people who can't control their emotions do. Bush is in a huff with his enemies for being his enemies, and expects his snubbing them to deal effectively with their enmity.
It's dumb, but not surprising.
People who think he is right in not talking to Iran or Korea, are as dumb as he is.
> D. Spencer Hines wrote: > > “Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been > > avoided."
> > Senator William Edgar Borah, [R - Idaho] (1865-1940) -- as Nazi tanks > > crossed into Poland in September 1939 > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and > > radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been > > wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks > > crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared : “Lord, if I > > could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided."
> > President George Walker Bush -- 15 May 2008
> > Bingo!
> > DSH
> > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> Let us never negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate > John F Kennedy
> It is ‘better to jaw-jaw than to war-war, > Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill
On May 15, 11:49 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
> Irrelevant...
> OBAMA has said repeatedly that as PRESIDENT he would meet UNCONDITIONALLY > with people such as Ahmadinejad, Castro, Kim Jong Il and so forth...
> A genuinely BAD and grossly NAIVE idea.
Why? Can you for once articulate a cogent reason for your claim?
> Lower-level talks go on all the time -- with an ambassador or assistant > secretary of state doing the talking -- OR the Swiss, multilateral group, > etc.
> An ENTIRELY different proposition.
And a waste of time. Let the boss talk to boss. A serious conflict between two nations necessitates the leaders of both nations, not low level diplomats, to address it. Bush is derelict of his duty to properly represent our nation. We pay him to TALK and resolve problems, not perpetuate them with arrogant snubs.
> On May 15, 11:49 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote: > > Irrelevant...
> > OBAMA has said repeatedly that as PRESIDENT he would meet UNCONDITIONALLY > > with people such as Ahmadinejad, Castro, Kim Jong Il and so forth...
> > A genuinely BAD and grossly NAIVE idea.
> Why? Can you for once articulate a cogent reason for your claim?
> > Lower-level talks go on all the time -- with an ambassador or assistant > > secretary of state doing the talking -- OR the Swiss, multilateral group, > > etc.
> > An ENTIRELY different proposition.
> And a waste of time. Let the boss talk to boss. A serious conflict > between two nations necessitates the leaders of both nations, not low > level diplomats, to address it. Bush is derelict of his duty to > properly represent our nation. We pay him to TALK and resolve > problems, not perpetuate them with arrogant snubs.
only when there's a point to talking....
sometimes we pay him to use the "Clue by Four" which is what Iran & NK need, but you're too dumb to realize that.
redc1c4, pointing out the obvious, to the oblivious....... <poke> %-) -- "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear considerable watching."
