Anybody familiar with The Tragedy of Birth?
Alma Mariscal*
I'm interested in knowing if anybody has read Nietszche's The Tragedy
of Birth?
In this book he talks about the Greek Mythology and history as a whole
representing
life as tragic from the premise. From their first paintings and so
forth, Nietszche analyzed
how the Greek civilization transcended the idea that at birth one's
life become a tragedy. How about their Greek Mythologies. . .pretty
tragic I say.
It seems like a very pessimisstic idea, but in a sense it is true. .
.we aren't
born
into a perfect world, and even at birth are hit with the typical
trials and tribulations
of life> If anyone is familiar with Nietszche's work of art, I'd
really appreciate
your input
Chao
Agamemnon
"Alma Mariscal*" <xeuph...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hey everyone!
> I'm interested in knowing if anybody has read Nietszche's The Tragedy
> of Birth?
> In this book he talks about the Greek Mythology and history as a whole
> representing
> life as tragic from the premise. From their first paintings and so
Nietszche is an ignorant FOOL. Greek Mythology is based on real historical
people and events (which have been historically and archeologically verified
and corroborated) which led to the creation of the Greek hero cults and
before that the Greek religion which form part of a written tradition which
goes back to 1800 BC and the adoption of Linear A.
> forth, Nietszche analyzed
> how the Greek civilization transcended the idea that at birth one's
> life become a tragedy. How about their Greek Mythologies. . .pretty
Nietszche is MAKING IT ALL UP.
EVERY Greek and Roman historian asserts that Greek Mythology was HISTORY.
There is not one decentring voice to support Nietszche.
average conrad
> EVERY Greek and Roman historian asserts that Greek Mythology was HISTORY.
> There is not one decentring voice to support Nietszche.
Would that be a decent voice that rings, a decentering voice, or a
dissenting voice?
Gordon
averag...@averageconrad.com. says...
That must be a "descanting" voice to which the sad, little Netkook
refers.
Up the meds, Aggie.
--
Gordon
"Just wait till you read Nietzsche's 'The Evil Beyond Good'."
tommy
I haven't read the book. But Greek mythology wasn't pessimistic, but heroic.
It didn't produce pessimistic people but heroes. The heroes are overcome
through equal part intelligence and physical strength. Look at Alexander,
Pericles, Leonidas, Aristotle, Plato. All facing new horizons. If you see a
hollywood comedy where the husband cheats on the wife, you would probably
laugh. But I bet Nietzsche would come out saying about the tragedy of
marriage and that the lesson drawn is that Americans dismiss married and
sex.
benlizross
It's a small point but it might be helpful: The name of the book is not
"The Tragedy of Birth" but "The Birth of Tragedy" (Die Geburt der
Tragödie). It's about the origins and nature of Greek tragedy, i.e. a
particular type of drama.
Ross Clark
Peter
>
> I haven't read the book. But Greek mythology wasn't pessimistic, but
heroic.
> It didn't produce pessimistic people but heroes. The heroes are overcome
A culture that believed that no man could be accounted happy until he was
dead was surely a culture that was pessimistic?
> laugh. But I bet Nietzsche would come out saying about the tragedy of
> marriage and that the lesson drawn is that Americans dismiss married and
> sex.
Clearly you havent read Sophokles' Trachiniae.
Agamemnon
"Peter" <pe...@hayden.homechoice.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > I haven't read the book. But Greek mythology wasn't pessimistic, but
> heroic.
> > It didn't produce pessimistic people but heroes. The heroes are overcome
>
> A culture that believed that no man could be accounted happy until he was
> dead was surely a culture that was pessimistic?
Your statement only prove that you don not understand the maening of the
saying. It means that men always want a better life.
>
>
> > laugh. But I bet Nietzsche would come out saying about the tragedy of
> > marriage and that the lesson drawn is that Americans dismiss married and
> > sex.
>
> Clearly you havent read Sophokles' Trachiniae.
>
Neither has anyone else in the past 800 years. All that is left of it a
fragments.
>
>
Peter
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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> Your statement only prove that you don not understand the maening of the
> saying. It means that men always want a better life.
Well of course all men want a better life. Its a question of how likely it
is that this will be achieved. A pessimist doesnt hold out much
hope.....and that is what is at the heart of the saying .
>
> Neither has anyone else in the past 800 years. All that is left of it a
> fragments.
So what is the 1275 line play I have been reading in ancient greek the last
year? And why 800 years. what do you think happened to the text in 1200. The
play of course dates from 450-420 BC.
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> >
> >
>
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Agamemnon
>
> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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>
> > Your statement only prove that you don not understand the maening of the
> > saying. It means that men always want a better life.
>
> Well of course all men want a better life. Its a question of how likely it
> is that this will be achieved. A pessimist doesnt hold out much
> hope.....and that is what is at the heart of the saying .
No it isnt.
>
> >
> > Neither has anyone else in the past 800 years. All that is left of it a
> > fragments.
>
> So what is the 1275 line play I have been reading in ancient greek the
last
Sorry. got it confused with the Tracking Satyrs.
> year? And why 800 years. what do you think happened to the text in 1200.
The
The Crusader Scum burned down the library in Constantinople.
Peter
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message news:b8m7e1$704
> > > Your statement only prove that you don not understand the maening of
the
> > > saying. It means that men always want a better life.
> >
> > Well of course all men want a better life. Its a question of how likely
it
> > is that this will be achieved. A pessimist doesnt hold out much
> > hope.....and that is what is at the heart of the saying .
>
> No it isnt.
>
the Illiad would have tried.
How about looking at Herodotus' account of Solon's visit to
Croesus..............
Ned Latham
> "Agamemnon" wrote:
> >
> > Your statement only prove that you don not understand the maening of the
> > saying. It means that men always want a better life.
>
> Well of course all men want a better life. Its a question of how likely it
> is that this will be achieved. A pessimist doesnt hold out much
> hope.....and that is what is at the heart of the saying .
No. It's a recognition that present conditions are temporary, and that
to call oneself "happy" merely because present conditions are favourable
is folly. Herodotos's story about Solon and Kroesos brings that out in
spades.
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Ned
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average conrad
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And that is a prima facie example of why those of us who imbibe philosophy
too deeply are never happy.