DAR Lineage Accuracy
Singhals
discussion of the issue in the DAR Magazine, which many libraries
have on subscription.
If you are referring to the printed books known as the DAR
Lineage Books, they are riddled with inaccuracies; try to
remember, though, that (1) the inaccuracies were discovered by
DAR itself when (2) microfilm made the actual records available
for research; as a result (3) DAR no longer has these books
available in their HQ library for researchers use.
One thing I'd like us all to remember -- It's all too easy to
wonder today why Great-Aunt Flo didn't read the blasted microfilm
where it CLEARLY says (whatever); however, when Great-Aunt Flo
joined DAR in 1927, microfilm was not available on the open
market, and certainly there were no Family History Centers, or
on-line sources, for her use. Even as late as 1972, there weren't
many FHCs around and microfilm was mostly for academic university
use, not for hobbies like genealogy. Aunt Flo used the Family
Bible owned by HER aunt, or the letter her 2nd cousin had from
his grandfather which said (whichever). They had to rely on
snail-mail, and they were none of them "Serious Genealogists" as
we like to think of ourselves today.
Cheryl
(Yes, a DAR)
DSuarez wrote:
>
> I've had the general impression that many of the DAR lineages from the
> 1930s/1940s and before were not well documented. However, I can't find
> anything on the Internet that discusses this issue. Does anyone know of
> any books, articles on this subject?
>
> Thanks,
> Donna
Silver Bullet
>If you are referring to the printed books known as the DAR
>Lineage Books, they are riddled with inaccuracies; try to
>remember, though,
In addition, especially useful for the DAR lineages of ladies from the
1800's, the parents and grandparents of the DAR Lady listed in those
lineages will generally be reliable and provide good jumping off
points.
Norris
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DSuarez
R Bishop
"DSuarez" <dmsu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
As far as I know, the documentation isn't hard to obtain. You just need
marriage records for each generation. I haven't figured out how many times
I'm qualified as a member but it's at least three or four ancesters. Then
there is the descendants of Colonial Governors, the Colonial Dames, the Sons
of the Conferacy, the Sons of the Union, the Mayflower Organization.....
Darn, too many over-active ancesters!
Sue
"Never trust anything that thinks for itself,
if you can't see where it keeps its brain."
J K Rowlings
DSuarez
lineages. I have an ancestor whose ancestry is completely botched in
DAR lineage applications which people trot out every now in then as
proof of her connection to a Revolutionary War participant. Has the DAR
ever disavowed any lineages? What happens when someone wants to join
using one of these un-documented lineages?
Donna
"Singhals" <sing...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:390FC983...@erols.com...
I don't know that it's on the net anywhere, but there was
discussion of the issue in the DAR Magazine, which many libraries
have on subscription.
If you are referring to the printed books known as the DAR
Lineage Books, they are riddled with inaccuracies; try to
remember, though, that (1) the inaccuracies were discovered by
DAR itself when (2) microfilm made the actual records available
for research; as a result (3) DAR no longer has these books
available in their HQ library for researchers use.
One thing I'd like us all to remember -- It's all too easy to
wonder today why Great-Aunt Flo didn't read the blasted microfilm
where it CLEARLY says (whatever); however, when Great-Aunt Flo
joined DAR in 1927, microfilm was not available on the open
market, and certainly there were no Family History Centers, or
on-line sources, for her use. Even as late as 1972, there weren't
many FHCs around and microfilm was mostly for academic university
use, not for hobbies like genealogy. Aunt Flo used the Family
Bible owned by HER aunt, or the letter her 2nd cousin had from
his grandfather which said (whichever). They had to rely on
snail-mail, and they were none of them "Serious Genealogists" as
we like to think of ourselves today.
Cheryl
(Yes, a DAR)
John Sweitzer
widespread copying machines, I can remember wondering for some time about a
claimed service Rev War record for a John Schweitzer of Northampton Co.PA
whose DAR Vol 139 record claimed he served in Northampton Rangers, PA
Militia, and PA Contential Line, in Rev War. Finally located 5 different
John's (one moved from Berks Co after the Rev War to Northampton Co), and
all with some sort of Patriot Service in connection in Rev War!
This was before a copier was installed in the Easton Library. and photo
copying books and paper records was disallowed as hazardous to the paper!
Don't remember a copier in NY Public Library back then but there was some
Salt Lake LDS microfilm to view- not much in 1946-50 era! Pencil notes a
poor substitute, and not many citations for self educated researcher back
then!
John
swei...@flash.net
shmar...@ticnet.com
On Wed, 3 May 2000, DSuarez wrote:
> I've had the general impression that many of the DAR lineages from the
> 1930s/1940s and before were not well documented. However, I can't find
> anything on the Internet that discusses this issue. Does anyone know of
> any books, articles on this subject?
My two cents. DAR lineages are better than the LDS Ancestral File, but
shouldn't be relied on.
Typical problems I've seen are suspect sources (one lady cited an article
that she herself had written) and mis-identification of of people. Two or
more people with the same name, and the provable RS always gets claimed as
the ancestor with little or no proof that he is in fact the ancestor.
My understanding is that the DAR has tightened their standards in recent
years. That, for instance, a daughter of a member has to resubmit all
relevent evidence and that it is evaluated independently of the previous
application of her mother. I don't know.
--
Merritt Mullen
> What I'm wondering is what the DAR is doing about the old un-documented
> lineages. I have an ancestor whose ancestry is completely botched in
> DAR lineage applications which people trot out every now in then as
> proof of her connection to a Revolutionary War participant. Has the DAR
> ever disavowed any lineages? What happens when someone wants to join
> using one of these un-documented lineages?
My understanding is that DAR recognizes the inaccuracies that *may* be in
those older lineages and does not allow new members to use those old
lineages to prove their lineage. You must essentially start over and prove
your lineage in accordance with current standards of proof.
Merritt
Elizabeth Richardson
the documentation was not very accurate in many cases. I believe too many
women wanted to "rise" to some class of supposed elite that membership in
the DAR could provide. Thus, they looked for a candidate and tried to link
up. Then, as today, forcing a relationship often leads to a poor research
conclusion. This is not to say that if the work was done in the 1930s-40s
that the work is likely to be incorrect. In fact, one should be mindful
that much DAR lineage from that time period is correct.
I cannot refrain, however, from remarking that perhaps the purposes for
membership in a lineage society should be questioned. The work the DAR
does is commendable -- and I would wish that it would proliferate -- but
it could easily be done by persons whose ancestors did not have the good
sense to arrive before 1800. There are plenty of patriotic people who
could instill a sense of national pride, but who are shunned by the people
who espouse the very ideas on which this country was founded. My paternal
grandmother was a life member of the DAR. She was a snob through and
through. This is the reputation the DAR has in the general population. Is
that an organization to which you want to belong?
Elizabeth Richardson, Ketchikan, Alaska
er...@ktn.net
DSuarez wrote in message ...
>I've had the general impression that many of the DAR lineages from the
>1930s/1940s and before were not well documented. However, I can't find
>anything on the Internet that discusses this issue. Does anyone know of
>any books, articles on this subject?
>
>Thanks,
>Donna
>
>
>
Tom
arms to defend the constitution if necessary. Some of the chapters are
*much* more militant than even the NRA.
Dave Hinz
: My wife belonged to the DAR. She had to swear an allegiance to take up
: arms to defend the constitution if necessary. Some of the chapters are
: *much* more militant than even the NRA.
You say that like you think defending the constitution is a bad thing.
It's a good read - might serve you well to look it over sometime.
Dave Hinz
R Bishop
dh...@earth.execpc.com (Dave Hinz) wrote:
Oh, great, a band of blue haired old ladies that have never handled a gun in
their lives.....
>
>Dave Hinz
>
>
Sue, who has a snobby aunt in the DAR
Dennis P. Harris
<bis...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Sue, who has a snobby aunt in the DAR
My grandmother and great aunts all quit back in the 30s when they wouldn't
let Marion Anderson sing in Constitution Hall, after Eleanor Roosevelt did
the same.
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Paul Braisby
R Bishop wrote in message <8ev5lc$j8q$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>...
>Oh, great, a band of blue haired old ladies that have never handled a gun
in
>their lives.....
>
>>Sue, who has a snobby aunt in the DAR
>
Perhaps we should have a "Daughters of the (1688 et seq) Revolution" here -
a "bunch of blue-haired old ladies" without guns (we are after all Brits and
don't go in for guns except for sport) could sort out most things, no
problem. It's just a question of getting them organised, and they did it in
WWII to tremendous effect. I'm filled with admiration at what they did.
But then I'm in training to be a "blue-haired old lady", so don't go getting
me all riled up..... <G>
Rose Braisby
Looking for Braisby and Hulland names wherever, whenever
Tom
>
> Tom (t2...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
> : My wife belonged to the DAR. She had to swear an allegiance to take up
> : arms to defend the constitution if necessary. Some of the chapters are
> : *much* more militant than even the NRA.
>
> You say that like you think defending the constitution is a bad thing.
Not at all. I was just commenting on this for people who may not know.
I.E., it's not an oranization of little old ladies. Well, it is, to some
extent - it's just that if you think we're going to turn draconian one
day - it's good to have a bunch of them living around you :) :) :)
Tom
horse without the horse breaking stride. All the ones back in Pike
County Illinois supplement the household food budget with Venison that
way. My own wife has popped a few rabbits in full run in her day. In
fact Pike County had 1100 dear taken this last season just ended last
month.
R Bishop wrote:
>
> In article <3912d7c1$0$73...@news.execpc.com>,
> dh...@earth.execpc.com (Dave Hinz) wrote:
>
> >Tom (t2...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
> >: My wife belonged to the DAR. She had to swear an allegiance to take up
> >: arms to defend the constitution if necessary. Some of the chapters are
> >: *much* more militant than even the NRA.
> >
> >
> >You say that like you think defending the constitution is a bad thing.
> >
> >It's a good read - might serve you well to look it over sometime.
>
> Oh, great, a band of blue haired old ladies that have never handled a gun in
> their lives.....
>
> >
> >Dave Hinz
> >
> >
>
> Sue, who has a snobby aunt in the DAR
>
>
>
R Bishop
"Paul Braisby" <Paul.B...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>R Bishop wrote in message <8ev5lc$j8q$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
>
>>Oh, great, a band of blue haired old ladies that have never handled a gun
>in
>>their lives.....
>>
>>>Sue, who has a snobby aunt in the DAR
>>
>
>
>Perhaps we should have a "Daughters of the (1688 et seq) Revolution" here -
>a "bunch of blue-haired old ladies" without guns (we are after all Brits and
>don't go in for guns except for sport) could sort out most things, no
>problem. It's just a question of getting them organised, and they did it in
>WWII to tremendous effect. I'm filled with admiration at what they did.
>
>But then I'm in training to be a "blue-haired old lady", so don't go getting
>me all riled up..... <G>
My hair started turning grey at 20. Not blue, though, that's ridiculous.
It's been a lovely shade of pewter for years. I've seen the lavender shade
that some women tend to use. Ick.
>
>Rose Braisby
>Looking for Braisby and Hulland names wherever, whenever
>
>
>
Sue