Kinship term for half-brother's father?
Colin Watson
Our family structure looks something like this, with me as C:
A = (1) B (2) = C
| |
D E
We all get on well, and we'd like to find out about possible terms
by which my daughter, E, can refer to her half-brother's father, A.
As far as I can tell, there's no concise kinship term in English
that covers this; "uncle" is sort of adequate because it's often
used for all kinds of non-blood relationships, but we find the
inaccuracy somewhat grating. We'd be interested to know if there's
anything reasonably concise in some other language.
I've heard a rumour that Latin had a term for E's relationship to A
but not vice versa, but I haven't been able to substantiate this.
Other than that, I haven't been able to find a language with a
suitable term, and I'm not an expert in kinship systems so don't
really know where the best places to look might be. Can anyone
think of anything?
Thanks,
--
Colin Watson [cjwa...@chiark.greenend.org.uk]
Wes Groleau
> We all get on well, and we'd like to find out about possible terms
> by which my daughter, E, can refer to her half-brother's father, A.
>
My mother's ex :-)
Put your family into a PhpGedView database, call up a relationship
chart, and then change the display language.
Or download a copy of PhpGedView and read the .../languages/
lang.xx.php where 'xx' is the language the file is for.
--
Wes Groleau
In any formula, constants (especially those obtained
from handbooks) are to be treated as variables.
Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org>
Mick
There is no blood relationship therefore no 'kinship' the courtesy
term Step[father,mother,son,daughter] has arisen which would be you
and D because you are currently espoused to his mother Should you
and she divorce that wouls cease to be true and if she were to
remarry her new spouse would be the 'Stepfather'.
With no kinship there is no term.
If you dislike 'Uncle' find a 'pet' name she can use.
Mick <mi...@nospam.net>
Gene Y.
That would generally be step-father, if married to the child's
mother. If there was no marriage there would be no relationship.
--
Gene Y.
"Gene Y." <n2...@cfl.rr.com>
J. Hugh Sullivan
> Our family structure looks something like this, with me as C:
>
> A = (1) B (2) = C
> | |
> D E
>
If I understand the diagram...
B is the mother of both D and E but with different fathers.
Wouldn't that mean there is neither a blood nor a legal relationship
between E and A assuming she was legally married to both?
I doubt that a term exists. Even if E lived with A he would have no
legal responsibility to E. That would remain the responsibility of B
and C.
Hugh
Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan)
FredandMaryFrances Powell
I have five half-brothers from three marriages of our father.
My term when writing/discussing parentage of my half-brothers is
simply "Our father, I am from marriage #3 or William is from
marriage #2.
Fred
FredandMaryFrances Powell <fredand...@gmail.com>
Wes Groleau
> B is the mother of both D and E but with different fathers.
>
> Wouldn't that mean there is neither a blood nor a legal relationship
> between E and A assuming she was legally married to both?
>
> I doubt that a term exists. Even if E lived with A he would have no
> legal responsibility to E. That would remain the responsibility of B
> and C.
>
Perhaps no term in English, but what about other languages?
PhpGedView doesn't consider date of marriage in labeling it
"stepdaughter." But you could look at
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yczdxb7
and try the available languages.
--
Wes Groleau
If you put garbage in a computer nothing comes out but garbage.
But this garbage, having passed through a very expensive machine,
is somehow ennobled and none dare criticize it.
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Old English and other germanic core languages sometimes used a
styling such as
Sisters-son, mothers-father, etc.
not quick as succinct as "nephew" and "grandfather", but perhaps a
bit more precise since you didn't use the same word for both
"mother's father" and "fathers father".
I believe I've even seen that in looking at colonial American wills.
In anycase, using that styling, "half-sister's father" might work,
or just the simple "sister's father".
Bill
J. Hugh Sullivan
Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> > B is the mother of both D and E but with different fathers.
> >
> > Wouldn't that mean there is neither a blood nor a legal relationship
> > between E and A assuming she was legally married to both?
> >
> > I doubt that a term exists. Even if E lived with A he would have no
> > legal responsibility to E. That would remain the responsibility of B
> > and C.
> >
> > J. Hugh Sullivan
>
> Perhaps no term in English, but what about other languages?
My other language is Pig Latin! 8-) and there is ohnay ermtay.
Forgive me, Wes.
> PhpGedView doesn't consider date of marriage in labeling it
> "stepdaughter." But you could look at
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/yczdxb7
>
> and try the available languages.
I think my intent was to make sure I understood the diagram. But I
would ask, if there is no relationship, why should (not would) there
be a term for it?
J. Hugh Sullivan
But how would "our father" be understood in genealogy outside your
family? In my opinion your use in writing/discussing is
appropriate.
Hugh
Wes Groleau
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
> Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> > > I doubt that a term exists. ....
> > >
> > > J. Hugh Sullivan
> > Perhaps no term in English, but what about other languages?
>
> My other language is Pig Latin! 8-) and there is ohnay ermtay.
> Forgive me, Wes.
Forgiven. :-) But the OP implied that he wanted a term badly
enough to use another language.
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Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org>
J. Hugh Sullivan
Wouldn't you agree that "sister's father" might be a bit misleading
while the other term is very precise and would be valuable to future
researchers?
Hugh
J. Hugh Sullivan
> J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>
> > Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> > > > I doubt that a term exists. ....
> > > >
> > > > J. Hugh Sullivan
> > > Perhaps no term in English, but what about other languages?
> >
> > My other language is Pig Latin! 8-) and there is ohnay ermtay.
> > Forgive me, Wes.
>
> Forgiven. :-) But the OP implied that he wanted a term badly
> enough to use another language.
>
As one poster later suggested, and I modify, half-brother's father
seems both precise and appropriate.
Forgiven Hugh
FredandMaryFrances Powell
> But how would "our father" be understood in genealogy outside your
> family? In my opinion your use in writing/discussing is
> appropriate.
>
Writing for others: Jack JONES' son from second marriage
Fred
Ron Lankshear in Sydney NSW
> I've heard a rumour that Latin had a term for E's relationship to A
> but not vice versa, but I haven't been able to substantiate this.
>
Hi Colin
A list of Latin terms
http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Latin.Eng.Trans.html
Otherwise "Uncle" or perhaps his first name. I presume you are
asking for a name for a child to use in day to day conversation.
Uncle is a vague term could be almost any relationship
Otherwise spell it out - I say my wife's sister's husband rather
than brother in law
--
Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick)
try my links
http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/
Ron Lankshear in Sydney NSW <ron...@hotmail.com>