Missing Mauleys

[Wjhonson]

CP claims
http://books.google.com/books?id=wrIKAAAAYAAJ&ots=6ltjny459k&dq=editions%3AzqRGMWSEzY4C&pg=PA274#v=onepage&q=mauley&f=true

that the Barony of Mauley was in abeyance until called out by the William Frances Spencer Ponsonby, the husband of Barbara Ashley-Cooper who claimed this through her mother Barbara Webb, and then that woman's mother Mary Salvaine who is supposed to be the heiress of this Salvaine line from the ancient barony of mauley.

Leo does not show ancestry for this Mary Salvaine who must have lived in the mid 1700s.

[Wjhonson]

To help cement a date
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00128869&tree=LEO

The marriage of the 5th Bnt has been located at which he is stated to be "age 22" while Mary Salvaine is stated to be "age 15" and on

22 Feb 1759 Saint Sampsons, co York (Batch I040250 wj); he 22, she 15

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[Brad Verity]

On Oct 12, 10:19 am, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> CP claimshttp://books.google.com/books?id=wrIKAAAAYAAJ&ots=6ltjny459k&dq=editi...

>
> that the Barony of Mauley was in abeyance until called out by the William Frances Spencer Ponsonby, the husband of Barbara Ashley-Cooper who claimed this through her mother Barbara Webb, and then that woman's mother Mary Salvaine  who is supposed to be the heiress of this Salvaine line from the ancient barony of mauley.
>
> Leo does not show ancestry for this Mary Salvaine who must have lived in the mid 1700s.

Mary Salvin, Lady Webb of Odstock, was born 1744, and died 22 July
1782, buried at Louvaine. You've already found her marriage date.
Here is her descent from the medieval Lords Mauley:

1) Piers VII de Mauley, Heir of Mauley (d. by1383) m. Margery Sutton
(d. 1391), and had
2) Elizabeth Mauley (c.1382-1417) m. George Salvin of Kilham (d.
1418), and had
3) Sir John Salvin of Newbiggin (d. 1470) m. Joan Gray (d. 1488,
descended from Edward I), and had
4) Thomas Salvin of Newbiggin (d. by1479) m. Margery Greystoke (d.
1496, descended from Edward III), and had
5) Sir Ralph Salvin of Newbiggin (1473-1534) m. Elizabeth Hastings (b.
c.1478, descended from Edward I), and had
6) George Salvin of Newbiggin (d. 1538) m. Margery Bulmer (descended
from Edward III), and had
7) Sir Francis Salvin of Newbiggin (d. 1562) m. Margery Eure
(descended from Edward III), and had
8) Sir Ralph Salvin of Newbiggin (d. aft.1584) m. 1) Jane Cholmley
(descended from Edward III), and had
9) Ralph Salvin of Newbiggin m. Eleanor Dutton, and had
10) William Salvin of Newbiggin (d. 1649) m. 2) Anne Carnaby
(descended from Edward III), and had
11) William Salvin of Newbiggin (c.1625-1672) m. Anne Cholmley
(descended from Edward III), and had
12) William Salvin of Newbiggin (d. 1726) m. Anna Raynes, and had
13) Thomas Salvin of Easingwold (1703-1756) m. Mary Talbot, and had
14) Mary Salvin, Lady Webb of Odstock (1744-1782)

The details of this descent were laid out in 1904 by Rev. John Clay in
his 'Additions to Dugdale's Visitation of Yorkshire' series in 'The
Genealogist' (later made into a 2-volume work), here:
http://archive.org/stream/genealogist00unkngoog#page/n135/mode/2up

I haven't yet researched Mary Salvin's mother, Mary Talbot, nor her
paternal grandmother, Anna Raynes, but I have all of the Edward I
descents for her paternal grandfather, William Salvin of Newbiggin (d.
1726). I'll lay them out in a separate post (or posts), so that Leo
can update them to Genealogics, but it's late so it'll have to wait
till tomorrow.

Leo has not included the medieval Lords Mauley in his database, but he
does have a Peter Mauley (husband of Lady Maud Nevill), with no dates
or parents, here:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108527&tree=LEO

This was Piers VIII de Mauley, 5th Lord Mauley (born about 1378, died
6 September 1415), who died without issue by his wife Maud Neville. He
was the son of Piers VII de Mauley & Margery Sutton (Generation #1
above).

Elizabeth Mauley, wife of George Salvin of Kilburn (Generation #2
above), was one of the two sisters and co-heirs of Piers VIII, 5th
Lord Mauley. The other sister was Constance Mauley (died 15 December
1450), wife of Sir John Bigod of Settrington (born about 1375, died 19
February 1427). Leo also has this Constance in his database, without
dates or parents, here:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00322104&tree=LEO

Now he can connect those three Mauley siblings (Piers VIII, Constance
& Elizabeth), and add their parents.

Cheers, -------Brad

[John Higgins]

> Cheers,                                         -------Brad

With respect to Mary Salvin's mother Mary Talbot, in a 2003 post
(here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2003-10/1065830158)
John Brandon indicated that Ann Talbot, sister of Gilbert, 13th Earl
of Shrewsbury (and a Jesuit priest!) married "one Edward Talbot,
probably a cousin, of Hampstead, England". This marriage is basically
confirmed by Brydges' edition of Collins' Peerage, 3:38, although it
doesn't specific Edward's given name (calling him only "____ Talbot of
Hampstead").

Although further evidence would be desirable, the chronology seems to
work for this Talbot couple to be the parents of Mary Talbot, wife of
Thomas and mother of Mary Salvin.

[Wjhonson]

"Roger" ?
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2006-08/1156912705

Or did you mean Ralph Salvaine ?

[Wjhonson]

For the early Salvaines, Anne is given as the "heiress" of her father John

http://books.google.com/books?id=aPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA528

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[Brad Verity]

On Oct 13, 1:03 pm, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Roger" ?http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2006-08/11...

>
> Or did you mean Ralph Salvaine ?

Ralph Salvin. I got his first name in that 2006 post mixed up with
his stepbrother, Roger Hastings.

On Oct 13, 1:07 pm, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> For the early Salvaines, Anne is given as the "heiress" of her father John
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=aPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA528

This confused me for awhile too, until I realized that the Anne Salvin
who was an heiress and who married Sir William Hussey of North
Duffield (c.1467-1531), was *not* the daughter of Sir John Salvin of
Newbiggin & Joan Gray, but rather was the daughter of a different Sir
John Salvin - this one being of Thorpe. I believe it's the Victoria
County History series that proves this, but it was awhile since I
looked into this and I don't have an exact source. Sir John Salvin of
Thorpe may have been a relative of the Salvins of Newbiggin, but as
he's not descended from Edward I, I don't have any further info on
him.

At any rate, it was 19th-century genealogist Joseph Foster who first
made the error, by sticking Anne, wife of Sir William Hussey, as a
daughter of Sir John Salvin of Newbiggin (d. 1470), in his Salvin
pedigree made from the 1584 & 1612 Yorkshire Visitations. Both
Maddicott in the Lincolnshire pedigree you've linked to (though I
can't access it thru Google books), & Rev. John Clay, in his Salvin
pedigree I linked to previously, followed Foster in this, and others
have followed those fellows since.

Cheers, ----Brad

[Wjhonson]

Right, I've disconnect this John Salvaine from his parents.
The proof by the way that his daughter Anne was his heir, is in the 1503 Will of her mother-in-law
Elizabeth (Berkeley) Hussey where she is so named

Another correction for the world, the idea that William Hussey and Anne Salvaine married "shortly" before Aug 1503 or even IN 1503 is utter nonsense, based upon the fact that IN this will of Elizabeth she mentions that William (at SOME time before) had sold her the wardship and marriage of his son George and now she is giving that back.

That in no way implies the marriage date, only that George is still a minor and unmarried.
Which is a great relief to my chronology, otherwise I would have him a father already by age 16 !

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[Wjhonson]

The baptism of Mary Salvin has been located
28 Mar 1743
Easingwold, co York (Batch P007531 wj)

which matches nicely to her "age 15" at her Feb 1759 marriage

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To: wjhonson <wjho...@aol.com>; gen-medieval-l <gen-med...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 11:12 am
Subject: Re: Missing Mauleys

To help cement a date
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00128869&tree=LEO

The marriage of the 5th Bnt has been located at which he is stated to be "age 22" while Mary Salvaine is stated to be "age 15" and on

22 Feb 1759 Saint Sampsons, co York (Batch I040250 wj); he 22, she 15







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Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 10:19 am
Subject: Missing Mauleys


CP claims
http://books.google.com/books?id=wrIKAAAAYAAJ&ots=6ltjny459k&dq=editions%3AzqRGMWSEzY4C&pg=PA274#v=onepage&q=mauley&f=true

that the Barony of Mauley was in abeyance until called out by the William
Frances Spencer Ponsonby, the husband of Barbara Ashley-Cooper who claimed this
through her mother Barbara Webb, and then that woman's mother Mary Salvaine who
is supposed to be the heiress of this Salvaine line from the ancient barony of
mauley.

Leo does not show ancestry for this Mary Salvaine who must have lived in the mid
1700s.

[Brad Verity]

On Oct 13, 10:35 am, John Higgins <jhiggins...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> With respect to Mary Salvin's mother Mary Talbot, in a 2003 post

> (here:http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2003-10/10...)

> John Brandon indicated that Ann Talbot, sister of Gilbert, 13th Earl
> of Shrewsbury (and a Jesuit priest!) married "one Edward Talbot,
> probably a cousin, of Hampstead, England".  This marriage is basically
> confirmed by Brydges' edition of Collins' Peerage, 3:38, although it
> doesn't specific Edward's given name (calling him only "____ Talbot of
> Hampstead").
>
> Although further evidence would be desirable, the chronology seems to
> work for this Talbot couple to be the parents of Mary Talbot, wife of
> Thomas and mother of Mary Salvin.

Dear John,

I do think you are correct here. It seems Edward Talbot, Mary
Salvin's maternal grandfather, was of Albrighton, in addition to
Hampstead.

29 Sep 1703 "Assignment from Edward Talbot of Albrighton, Salop, and
Anne his wife [daughter of Gilbert Talbot of Grafton] to George Talbot
of Cooksey [second son of Gilbert Talbot] of Anne's portion of £1000
from Cooksey. [The Duke (and 12th Earl) of Shrewsbury (d. 1717) was
succeeded as 13th Earl by his cousin, Fr Gilbert Talbot, first son of
Gilbert Talbot of Grafton (d. 1711). Although Fr Gilbert was legally
13th Earl, his younger brother George Talbot, sometime of Cooksey,
styled himself Earl of Shrewsbury. George predeceased his elder
brother, but was the ancestor of the 14th to the 17th Earls of
Shrewsbury.]" [Worcestershire Record Office/Earl of Shrewsbury and
Waterford/705/100/11768/7/7]
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=045-705-100&cid=-1#-1

Anne Talbot, sister of the Earl of Shrewsbury, and maternal
grandmother of Mary Salvin, appears to have died by 1715, since she is
not returned with her husband Edward and their two daughters, Anne and
Mary, in a Catholic census from that year:
"Edward Talbot, of Albrighton, gent.--Moiety of house called the
'Bowling Green,' leased formerly by Charles, Duke of Shrewsbury, to
Hon. Gilbert Talbot; in possession of self and daughters, Anne and
Mary T."
http://archive.org/stream/englishcatholicn00estcuoft#page/220/mode/2up

Do you know if Anne Talbot, wife of Henry Darnall, and sister of Mary
Talbot, wife of Thomas Salvin of Easingwold, was included in RD600 or
later editions?

So we now have the ancestry of Mary Salvin's maternal grandmother,
Anne Talbot (the earl of Shrewsbury's sister), but we still need the
ancestry of Anne's husband & Mary's maternal grandfather, Edward
Talbot of Albrighton & Hampstead.

Thanks & Cheers, -------Brad

[Brad Verity]

On Oct 13, 2:02 am, Brad Verity <royaldesc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I haven't yet researched Mary Salvin's mother, Mary Talbot, nor her
> paternal grandmother, Anna Raynes,

Thanks to John Higgins, we have a good lead on (at least half of) the
ancestry of Mary Salvin's mother, Mary Talbot (see separate post in
this topic thread), but I'm running into a brick wall when it comes to
the ancestry of Mary Salvin's paternal grandmother, Anne Raynes, or
Raines. All I've been able to find so far is that she was the niece
and heir of Thomas Raines, Lord Mayor of York (d. 1714), and that her
father was Capt. John Raines of Appleton-le-Street:

"Mary, second daughter of Robert Conyers, esq. of Boulby, co. York (by
Anne, daughter of Sir Ralph Conyers of Layton, co. Durham), and wife
of Thomas Raynes, esq., lord mayor of York in 1688. Her husband, who,
with other aldermen, had been displaced by the king in October, 1688,
removed to Easingwold, where he died s.p., "after ten years'
affliction in a Paralysis," 8 March, 1713-14, aged 73. His niece and
heir, Anne, daughter of Capt. John Raynes of Appleton-le-Street,
married William Salvin, esq., of Newbiggin, and was mother of Thos.
Salvin, esq. of Easingwold, whose eldest daughter Mary married Sir
John Webb, Bart., by whom she had an only child Barbara, who became
the wife of Anthony Ashley Cooper, 5th earl of Shaftesbury."
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/MIs/ARY/YorkMinsterBurials1b.html
[Note 104]

Appleton-le-Street is in Ryedale, North Yorkshire, and VCH York North
Riding, Volume 1 (1914), has: "In 1665 John Raynes and Dorothy his
wife and Sarah Raynes widow conveyed the whole manor [Swinton] to
William Smith", but whether this was Capt. John Raines, father of
Anne, I can't determine.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64788

If anyone can shed any further light, it would be great.

Thanks & Cheers, ------Brad

[Doug Smith]

For Sir Ralph Conyers of Layton see:

'Parish of Sedgefield', The History and Antiquities of the County Palatine of Durham: volume 3: Stockton and Darlington wards (1823), pp. 25-60. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76338 Date accessed: 15 October 2012.

Doug Smith

[Richard Carruthers]

Catholic recusancy in the city of York, 1558-1791, vol. 2, Catholic
Record Society
John Cedric H. Aveling - 1970 - 431 pages
Page 340
"Thomas Raynes attorney came from Appleton le Street, from a family not known
as papists. His brother, Capt. John Raynes (perhaps an officer in
Reresby's York
garrison) and his wife were presented as recusants in St. Michael le
Belfry parish in 1667 and 1682. In 1668 Thomas married a papist Mary,
daughter of Robert Conyers, of Bowlby. They lived in All Saints on the
Pavement parish and she was presented as a recusant there in 1682 and
confirmed by Leyburne in 1687. Although an All
Saints presentment of 1685 says that "Thomas Raine" did not go to
church, it is hard to take this as proof that Raynes had become a
papist. Reresby, who was closely interested in Catholic proselytising
in York, expressly says that "Alderman Raynes an attorney married a
papist". Raynes was put in as an Alderman in 1685 by James II, and
elected Lord Mayor in 1688. If he had been a Catholic at the time of
these promotions, Reresby and others would certainly have reacted
sharply. In 1687 he helped Fr. Lawson establish himself in the King's
Manor (Reresby Correspondence, cit. ; Memoirs, p. 581; Skaife). As
Lord Mayor he displayed much sense, returning a non-committal answer
to James II's questions, and quietly leading the City Council to
resist the King's remodelling of it. He was automatically ejected from
the Mayoralty and Council, however, by James' resumption of the
Charter of 1665 (which invalidated Raynes' elections as Alderman and
Lord Mayor). His wife died in 1689, and he retired, sick and
childless, to a property (the lease of Church property) at Easingwold.
At his death, his heiress, the Catholic daughter of his brother John,
succeeded to this estate (Skaife; Dugdale)."

[John Higgins]

> Waterford/705/100/11768/7/7]http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=045-705-100&c...

>
> Anne Talbot, sister of the Earl of Shrewsbury, and maternal
> grandmother of Mary Salvin, appears to have died by 1715, since she is
> not returned with her husband Edward and their two daughters, Anne and
> Mary, in a Catholic census from that year:
> "Edward Talbot, of Albrighton, gent.--Moiety of house called the
> 'Bowling Green,' leased formerly by Charles, Duke of Shrewsbury, to
> Hon. Gilbert Talbot; in possession of self and daughters, Anne and
> Mary T."http://archive.org/stream/englishcatholicn00estcuoft#page/220/mode/2up
>
> Do you know if Anne Talbot, wife of Henry Darnall, and sister of Mary
> Talbot, wife of Thomas Salvin of Easingwold, was included in RD600 or
> later editions?
>
> So we now have the ancestry of Mary Salvin's maternal grandmother,
> Anne Talbot (the earl of Shrewsbury's sister), but we still need the
> ancestry of Anne's husband & Mary's maternal grandfather, Edward
> Talbot of Albrighton & Hampstead.
>
> Thanks & Cheers,                                    -------Brad

Interesting....

Albrighton was of course an estate of the Talbots, and specifically of
the branch that included the [only] Duke of Shrewsbury and his
successor the [Jesuit] 13th Earl. The 1715 transaction involving
Edward Talbot "of Albrighton" is also mentioned briefly in a lengthy
article on the Talbots and their association with Albrighton in
Transactions of the Shropshire Archaeological and Natural History
Society, 3rd series, 9:53 (1909). Although Edward and his two
daughters Mary and Anne are mentioned here (without giving husbands
for the daughters), no details are given on Edward's connection to the
Duke.

There are plenty of junior lines of the talbot family in this period,
and the author of the SANHS Trans. article makes the point that the
family's pedigree at this time "becomes involved, confused, and
probably defective from the secrecy that was necessarily observed in
Catholic families during the time of the Penal Laws."

As to Anne Talbot, wife of Henry Darnall, she is NOT included in the
2008 edition of RD600. I wonder if she's in the newer editions of the
Richardson works.

[Wjhonson]

http://books.google.com/books?id=F3xHAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA53

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[Wjhonson]

http://books.google.com/books?id=_CQsk8xG9CEC&lpg=PA298&ots=6LQLowNvNs&dq=gilbert%20talbot%20of%20albrighton&pg=PA304#v=onepage&q=gilbert%20talbot%20of%20albrighton&f=false

Edward the bishops second son

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[Brad Verity]

On Oct 15, 5:34 pm, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://books.google.com/books?id=_CQsk8xG9CEC&lpg=PA298&ots=6LQLowNvN...

>
> Edward the bishops second son

I thought this might be the Edward Talbot we want, but the bishop's
son himself became a clergyman, rising to archdeacon of Berkshire. It
seems highly unlikely that the staunchly Catholic branch of the
Talbots of Albrighton would marry their sister Anne to a Church of
England clergyman and bishop's son (or that he in turn could take a
Catholic wife), even if he was a distant cousin. Though
chronologically it would work - Edward Talbot the archdeacon died in
December 1720 - it doesn't appear to be the one we seek. Catherine
Talbot is said to have been this Edward's only child. She has a bio
in ODNB (which I haven't seen), and one in Wikipedia, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Talbot

Cheers, --------Brad

[Brad Verity]

On Oct 15, 4:30 pm, Richard Carruthers <leliw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Catholic recusancy in the city of York, 1558-1791, vol. 2, Catholic
> Record Society
> John Cedric H. Aveling - 1970 - 431 pages
> Page 340

Richard, many, many thanks for the above, and for John Clay's pedigree
of Raynes of Apleton in the Streete, which you sent me offlist:
http://archive.org/stream/genealogist32selb#page/n379/mode/2up

We now can take the ancestry of Anne Raynes, paternal grandmother of
Mary Salvin, Lady Webb, quite a bit further back. I don't immediately
see any Edward I descents for the Rayneses of Appleton le Street, but
there may be some behind the Atkinsons of Thirsk, Letbys of
Skirtlebeck, or Layths of Dalehead.

We also can date Capt. John Raynes, father of Anne Raynes Salvin, to
born in 1631, and died after 1682.

Thanks & Cheers, -------Brad

[John Higgins]

As Brad indicates, the religious issue argues strongly against
Archdeacon Edward Talbot being our man. Also, we know (as previously
discussed in this thread) that Edward Talbot "of Albrighton and
Hampstead" married his apparent cousin Anne Talbot, sister of the 13th
Earl.

And actually the chronology doesn't work very well either. The short
life of Archdeacon Edward Talbot (he died at age 27 or 29, depending
on the source you choose for his birth year) would have made it
difficult for him to have had an additional earlier wife plus two
additional earlier children. The 1715 transaction for the lease of
the house in Albrighton mentions Thomas and his two daughters, who
were presumably old enough to warrant being mentioned in the
transaction. And finally Edward Talbot of Albrighton was probably
born considerably earlier than Archdeacon Edward Talbot, if you guess-
timate the birth date of his wife and cousin Anne Talbot from that of
her brother the 13th Earl - and the dates of their father.

So...another Google Books find turns out to be a red herring... :-)

[Richard Carruthers]

Catholic Record Society Publications:
Records series, Volume 32 (1932)
p. 239
footnote: Son and heir of William Salvin, of Newbiggin (1662-1726), by
Anne, daughter and heiress of Thomas Reynes, of Easingwold. He was
born 1703 and died 1765.

Abstracts of Yorkshire wills in the time of the Commonwealth, at
Somerset House, London, chiefly illustrative of Sir William Dugdale's
Visitation of Yorkshire in 1665-6
p. 4

6.—The Will or William Salvin Of Egton. a

(Fairfax, 126.)

July 27, 1649. William Salvin of the parish of Egdon, in the County of
York, Esq. Charges of funeral not to exceed £20. To the poor of the
parish of Egdon £10, at the discretion of my loving wife, my loving
son William Salvyn, and of the minister and churchwardens, to be paid
them by my executors twelve months after my decease. To my dear and
only son and heir, William Salvyn, my manor of Newbiggin and all other
my lands in the county of York or elsewhere. To my dear wife Ann
Salvyn all the monies due to me from my brother Carnaby. To my
daughter Ellianor Salvyn the yearly sum or rent charge of £10 during
her natural life, to be payable every half year at Martlemas and
Whitsuntide by equal portions. But in case she shall behave herself
dutiful to my wife, my wife to give her out of her estate £10 per
annum or more if she shall behave herself so as to deserve it, but if
she disturbs my son or my wife both annuities to be void and to cease,
and she to have nothing out of my estate. All the rest and residue of
my estate, goods, &c., I give and bequeath to my loving cozen Mr
Gilbert Crouch, towards the discharging of his engagements for me, and
his extraordinary pains and care and expenses already taken in my
business, and which he shall hereafter take in the settlement of all
mine, my son's, and my wife's business, he to be sole executor.

[Pr. Aug. 25, 1649, by Gilbert Crouch.]

[footnote] a: William Salvin of New Biggin married, 1st Dorothy,
daughter of John Girlington, 2nd, Anne daughter of .... Carnaby ....
in Northumb*. His son William married Anne, daughter of Marmaduke
Cholmley of Bransby, and appeared at Dugdale's Visitation in 1665.
There is a pedigree in Graves' Cleveland, 289.

On 15/10/2012, Brad Verity <royald...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[Richard Carruthers]

On 15/10/2012, Richard Carruthers <leli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The History of Cleveland, in the North Riding of the County of York By
> John Graves
> pp. 289-290 incl. pedigree entitled "Salvine of Newbiggin" [parish of
> Egton, North Riding, Yorkshire]
>
> Lots of probable Plantagenet blood on the face of things given the
> names intermarried in the first few generations:
>
> http://sonyericssonxperia.org/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2Jvb2tzLmdvb2dsZS5jb20vYm9va3M%2FaWQ9OVVRUUFBQUFZQUFKJnBnPVBBMjg5JmxwZz1QQTI5MCZvdHM9STZsTlZGT0NldCZkcT0lMjJ3aWxsaWFtK3NhbHZpbmUlMjIraW50aXRsZTpjbGV2ZWxhbmQ%3D
>
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[Richard Carruthers]

[John Higgins]

On Oct 15, 8:51 pm, Richard Carruthers <leliw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The History of Cleveland, in the North Riding of the County of York By
> John Graves
> pp. 289-290 incl. pedigree entitled "Salvine of Newbiggin" [parish of
> Egton, North Riding, Yorkshire]
>
> Lots of probable Plantagenet blood on the face of things given the
> names intermarried in the first few generations:
>

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> On 15/10/2012, Richard Carruthers <leliw...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> > On 15/10/2012, Richard Carruthers <leliw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The History of Cleveland, in the North Riding of the County of York By
> >> John Graves
> >> pp. 289-290 incl. pedigree entitled "Salvine of Newbiggin" [parish of
> >> Egton, North Riding, Yorkshire]
>
> >> Lots of probable Plantagenet blood on the face of things given the
> >> names intermarried in the first few generations:
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> >>http://sonyericssonxperia.org/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2Jvb2tzLmdvb2dsZS5...
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> >>http://sonyericssonxperia.org/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2Jvb2tzLmdvb2dsZS5...

> >>> On 15/10/2012, Brad Verity <royaldesc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Oct 13, 2:02 am, Brad Verity <royaldesc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> I haven't yet researched Mary Salvin's mother, Mary Talbot, nor her
> >>>>> paternal grandmother, Anna Raynes,
>
> >>>> Thanks to John Higgins, we have a good lead on (at least half of) the
> >>>> ancestry of Mary Salvin's mother, Mary Talbot (see separate post in
> >>>> this topic thread), but I'm running into a brick wall when it comes to
> >>>> the ancestry of Mary Salvin's paternal grandmother, Anne Raynes, or
> >>>> Raines.  All I've been able to find so far is that she was the niece
> >>>> and heir of Thomas Raines, Lord Mayor of York (d. 1714), and that her
> >>>> father was Capt. John Raines of Appleton-le-Street:
>
> >>>> "Mary, second daughter of Robert Conyers, esq. of Boulby, co. York (by
> >>>> Anne, daughter of Sir Ralph Conyers of Layton, co. Durham), and wife
> >>>> of Thomas Raynes, esq., lord mayor of York in 1688. Her husband, who,
> >>>> with other aldermen, had been displaced by the king in October, 1688,
> >>>> removed to Easingwold, where he died s.p., "after ten years'
> >>>> affliction in a Paralysis," 8 March, 1713-14, aged 73. His niece and
> >>>> heir, Anne, daughter of Capt. John Raynes of Appleton-le-Street,
> >>>> married William Salvin, esq., of Newbiggin, and was mother of Thos.
> >>>> Salvin, esq. of Easingwold, whose eldest daughter Mary married Sir
> >>>> John Webb, Bart., by whom she had an only child Barbara, who became
> >>>> the wife of Anthony Ashley Cooper, 5th earl of Shaftesbury."

> >>>>http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/MIs/ARY/YorkMinsterBurials1...

> >>>> [Note 104]
>
> >>>> Appleton-le-Street is in Ryedale, North Yorkshire, and VCH York North
> >>>> Riding, Volume 1 (1914), has: "In 1665 John Raynes and Dorothy his
> >>>> wife and Sarah Raynes widow conveyed the whole manor [Swinton] to
> >>>> William Smith", but whether this was Capt. John Raines, father of
> >>>> Anne, I can't determine.
> >>>>http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64788
>
> >>>> If anyone can shed any further light, it would be great.
>
> >>>> Thanks & Cheers,                                 ------Brad
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Good find!

For those who can get to Google Books without using a proxy server,
here's the direct URL for the book (look at pp. 289-290):
http://books.google.com/books?id=9UQQAAAAYAAJ

[Richard Carruthers]

Hello John

Thanks for the acknowledgment and for chasing up the regular URL which
I didn't provide as I am not able to see the book's contents from
Canada without benefit of the barrier elimination capacity of my
current favourite blind proxy server.

Cheers, Richard:)

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