On Monday, April 23, 2012 3:30:35 PM UTC-4, Brad Verity wrote:
> Per Plantagenet Ancestry (PA3), pp. 38-39 (sub Appleton), Thomas
> Appleton, of Dartford, Kent, was married to Joyce Tyrrell, daughter of
> Sir Robert Tyrrell & Christian Hartshorn.  The source for this was the
> Appulton/Apleton pedigree in the 1612 Visitation of Essex (H.S.P. 13,
> p. 134), which begins with: "Thomas Appulton of Kente Gentleman =
> Joyce, daugh. to Sr Robert Tirrell of Essex Knight, Mr of the horse to
> K. H. the 8th."  In the 1558 Tirrell/Tyrrell Visitation pedigree (same
> volume, pp. 113-115), there is a "Joyce" (unmarried), daughter of "Sr
> Robert Tirrell K. 4 sonn = Christian da. to John Harteshorn of
> Bedfordshire = Edward Mackwilliams 1 husband." Sir Robert, in turn,
> was the 4th son of "Sr Thomas Tyrrell of Heron Knt. 37 H. 6 = Emme da.
> to Sr John Marney of Layer Marney in Essex".  It is thru Marney/
> Sergeaux/Arundel/Despenser that "Joyce Tyrrell", wife of Thomas
> Appleton of Dartford, derives a descent from Edward I, and so is
> included in PA3.

> But Joyce Tyrell Appleton never existed.  The will of Thomas Appleton
> of Dartford, written on 13 Feb. 1483, and proved 11 May 1485, has been
> transcribed by L.L. Duncan, and published online by the Kent
> Archaeological Society's Medieval & Tudor Kent P.C.C. Wills project.
> The link to it is here:

> http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Bk08/144.htm

> Appleton mentions his wife Alice, eldest son Roger, second son Thomas,
> 3rd & youngest son Humphrey, and four daughters: Margery, Anne,
> Elizabeth & Katherine.  He also makes his wife Alice, "Humfrey
> Tyrell", and his brother-in-law Richard Martyn executors.  He asks to
> be buried in Holy Trinity Church, Dartford, Kent, near his father's
> tomb.  As he asks his executors to pay one of his mother's bequests,
> we know she, like his father, had died by 1483.

> Appleton's brother-in-law Richard Martyn of Dartford left a will dated
> 29 September 1485, and proved 27 October 1488, also transcribed &
> published online:

> http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Bk08/150.htm

> In it Martyn mentions his wife "Agnes".

> Finally, the will of Roger Appleton of Dartford, son & heir of Thomas
> Appleton, written on 12 April 1529, and proved on 2 July 1529, has
> been transcribed here:

> http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Bk09/301.htm

> In it, the heirs of "Agnes Martyn doughter of Roger Appulton and
> Margery his wife decessed" are named in a remainder.  So we know that
> Agnes wife of Richard Martyn of Dartford, was a daughter of Roger
> Appleton of Dartford (father of Thomas Appleton) and Margery his
> wife.  Curiously, the mother of Thomas Appleton (and wife of Roger
> Appleton) is given as "Elizabeth, daughter of Henry Frowick, of London
> and South Mimms, Hertfordshire" in PA3.  Either this is another error
> (in either first name or parentage) stemming from Visitation
> pedigrees, or Roger Appleton had an additional wife named Margery, and
> Agnes Appleton Martyn was a half-sister of Thomas Appleton.  At
> another point in the 1529 will, Roger refers to "Agnes Illenden myn
> aunte", so its possible that Agnes Appleton married again after Thomas
> Martyn's decease in 1488.

> Roger Appleton also mentions in his 1529 will, "John Illenden and
> Elizabeth his wife my suster".  Elizabeth Appleton Illenden is the
> only sibling of Roger's mentioned in his will.  As she and her heirs
> are mentioned in the remainder immediately before the heirs of Agnes
> Martyn, it's likely that Elizabeth's husband John Illenden (a member
> of the household of Roger Appleton) was the stepson of their aunt
> Agnes Appleton Martyn Illenden.

> Roger additionally mentions his son and heir Henry and his daughter
> Jane, as well as "Goodlake and Henry Edwards my wifs childern" and
> "Wynyfride Edwards".  These must have been the children of a previous
> marriage of Roger's wife Anne Sulliard.  This is an addition then to
> PA3, which has her as a descendant of Edward I thru Andrew/Stratton/
> Luttrell/Courtenay.  As there is no other mention of Roger's wife in
> his will, and no provision made for her, she most likely predeceased
> him.  But as he does not make any provision for prayers for her soul
> (as he does for his own, and those of his parents and his ancestors
> and friends), the other possibility is that he and his wife were
> estranged.  Roger states that his parents were buried in Holy Trinity
> Church, Dartford, and later refers to "Thomas Appulton my father and
> Alice his wife", so we know that Alice was indeed Roger's mother and
> had died before 1529.  Roger names as his executors "John Wentworth
> Esquier, Wm Sulyard gentilman and John Rogers my Fermor [i.e., farmer/
> tenant] and supervisor Edward Tyrrell Esquier." Of these, John
> Wentworth (later knighted) of North Elmsall was the husband of Roger's
> daughter Jane, and William Sulyard was presumably related to Roger's
> wife (perhaps her half-brother William).  Edward Tyrell may have been
> a relative as well.

> Could Alice, wife of Thomas Appleton (d. by 1485) and mother of Roger
> Appleton (b. after 1462, d. 1529), have been the daughter of Sir
> Robert Tyrell & Christian Hartishorn (d. 12 January 1506, bur. Grey
> Friars church, Colchester, Essex)?  No.  Christian Hartishorn's first
> husband Edward Macwilliam of Sambourne Hall did not died until 1495.

> Could Alice have been the daughter of Sir Robert Tyrell by a previous
> wife?  H.W. King, in the series "Ancient Wills", published in the
> 'Transactions of the Essex Archaeological Society', transcribed the
> will, written 30 Dec. 1507, of Sir Robert Tyrell of Wivenhoe (Volume
> 3, pp. 175-177):

> http://books.google.ca/books?id=uaQWAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA175&dq=Robert+Tyrel...

> In it, Tyrell mentions his former wife, Christian, whom he wishes to
> be buried next to in the Grey Friars, Colchester, and his now wife
> Elizabeth.  He also mentions his elder son Thomas Tyrell (who became a
> priest), his younger son and heir Robert Tyrell, who settled at
> Warwicks, Essex, and died 16 Oct. 1555, and his daughter Margery.  His
> executors "Willm Alove, lerned man in the lawe, John Danyell, Robert
> Teryll my son, and Walter Wyngfield and Willm Cooke, Doctr".  From the
> wording of his will, Tyrell's three children sound as if they were
> minors at the time, which fits with the chronology of the death of
> their mother Christian's first husband in 1495.  They also match up in
> key points to the children assigned to Robert Tyrell & Christian
> Hartishorn in the 1558 Tyrell Visitation pedigree, which names their 2
> sons and daughter: "Sr John Tirrell a prest", "Robart Tyrrell 2 sonne
> = Joyce da. to Crosse" and "Joyce".  Two of the first names are wrong
> (John the priest should be 'Thomas', and Joyce should be 'Margery'),
> but the other information is correct.  Admittedly, Robert Tyrell had
> these children late in his life.  He was the youngest son of Sir
> Thomas Tyrell of Heron (c.1411-1476) and Anne Marney (b. at the latest
> 1414, the year her father died).  He was thus in his early 50s (at the
> youngest) in 1495 when Christian Hartishorn was widowed.
> Chronologically, there is time for him to have had a previous marriage
> and have fathered a daughter who was herself a mother of seven in
> 1483.  But the lack of any mention of an Appleton daughter or
> grandchildren (or a third wife) in Robert Tyrell's 1507 will, and his
> lack of mention in the 1483 will of Thomas Appleton, would seem to
> rule out the possibility that Alice, wife of Thomas Appleton, was a
> daughter of Sir Robert Tyrell (d. c.1507).

> It should be pointed out that the only source we have which provides a
> parentage for Thomas Appleton's wife - the 1612 Appleton Visitation
> pedigree - is information obtained more than 100 years after the
> events, and gets at least two facts incorrect. The first name of
> Thomas's wife was Alice, not 'Joyce', and there is no way that Sir
> Robert Tyrell could have been Master of the Horse to King Henry VIII,
> as he died during the reign of Henry VII when he was in his 60s, at
> least.

> In conclusion, we know that the wife of Thomas Appleton was named
> Alice, not Joyce.  We know that he was dead by 1485 and she by 1529,
> and that they were buried in Holy Trinity Church, Dartford, Kent.  We
> know that in addition to their eldest son & heir Roger Appleton, they
> had six other children: Thomas, Humphrey, Margery, Anne, Elizabeth and
> Katherine.  We also know that Christian Hartishorn was not the mother
> of Thomas Appleton's wife, and we know almost as certainly that Sir
> Robert Tyrell of Wivenhoe (d. c.1507), the 4th son of Sir Thomas
> Tyrell of Heron (c.1411-1476) & Anne Marney, was not her father.  All
> of this is additions and corrections to the Appleton descent presented
> in PA3.

> Indeed the entire line of descent of Thomas Appleton's wife from
> Edward I is now in question and needs further research.  That there
> was a Tyrell connection to the Appletons seems clear from the fact
> that Thomas Appleton named a Humphrey Tyrell as one of his executors
> in 1483, and his son Roger Appleton named an Edward Tyrell as his
> supervisor in 1529, but neither specify a relationship to these Tyrell
> men.  Alice Appleton, if a Tyrell, needs to be descended from Sir
> Thomas Tyrell & Anne Marney in order to maintain an Edward I descent,
> and this can't be definite as there are certainly other Tyrell
> branches from which she may have sprouted.

> Cheers,                ------Brad