Justin Welby - not yet Archbishop of Canterbury

[Leo]

Thanks to John Higgins - José Verheecke - Marc Hoover, in my system I have now 109 lines from Justin Welby to Edward III and I believe there are more.

At the moment in my system there are 15,379 ancestors for him. They are very widely spread in Europe, and a few interesting ancestors are :

Charles II King f England
Sir Hardress Waller, regicide
Lady Janet Stewart, royal bastard and mistress of Henri II, king of France
Ferdinand and Isabella
Galeazzo Maria Sforza, duke of Milan
Mary Boleyn (and Henry VIII ?)
Amadeo VIII of Savoie, anti-pope Felix V
St.Louis IX, king of France
Andronikus II Palaiologos, emperor of Byzantium
William the Conqueror
Charlemagne

Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

[Richard Carruthers]

Many of the usual suspects, eh what, Leo.;)

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[Leo]

It is only the tip of the ice berg. Glad to be able to say that the first
so-many generations of his ancestorlist if pretty complete, except for the
Welby line, but then you can't have everything :-)

Leo

[Derek Howard]

On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:36:45 AM UTC+1, Leo wrote:
> It is only the tip of the ice berg. Glad to be able to say that the first
>
> so-many generations of his ancestorlist if pretty complete, except for the
>
> Welby line, but then you can't have everything :-)

It would be interesting if they are descended from the medieval Welbys of Lincolnshire but there seems to be a possibility that they are not Welbys in origin at all but may have changed name a couple of generations back. It has been thought that when Bramhall James Welby returned from South Africa he picked Welby because he thought it sounded English. Is there a way round that impass?

Derek Howard

[Brad Verity]

On Nov 11, 3:54 pm, John Higgins <jhiggins...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The paternal grandmother of Elizabeth Cotes was Dorothy Shirley,
> daughter of the 1st Earl Ferrers, and her paternal great-grandmother
> was Lettice Digby, daughter of the 2nd Baron Digby of Geashill.  I
> count 7 Edward III descents via the Digby connection and 20 via the
> Shirley connection.

Interesting, John. I do have a Sir George Digby of Coleshill
(1550-1587), descended from Edward III, but don't yet have the 1st
Earl Ferrers.

On Nov 13, 4:06 pm, hoover_m...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Brad, John, Leo:  There's also a connection to the Cotes family of Woodcote, Salop, some of whom appear in Leo's database.
>   Humphrey Cotes (b. 1717) isn't mentioned in any Cotes of Woodcote BLG articles but is listed at the top of page 50 of the Isabel of Essex volume of The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal.  His parents, John Cotes of Cotes and Woodcote (1681-1756) and Lady Dorothy Shirley are listed in what I like to refer to as Leo's "great-abase."  John Cotes leads back several generations to a family I'm descended from in Genealogics.

I don't yet have the Cotes family or the 1st Earl Ferrers in my
database. I'm up to my eyeballs in Blakistons at the moment, so don't
have time yet to enter them. Maybe over this upcoming weekend.

>   Brad, I've really enjoyed your recent work on Edward III descendants.

Thanks, Marc. I'm glad they've been of some help.

On Nov 13, 8:49 pm, "Leo" <can2...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
> Thanks to John Higgins - José Verheecke - Marc Hoover, in my system I have now 109 lines from Justin Welby to Edward III and I believe there are more.

Wow - that's great, Leo! I'm looking forward to your next website
update so I can start tracing them back and matching them up.

> At the moment in my system there are 15,379 ancestors for him.

That number is actually mind-boggling. I have a little over 20,900
people - total! - in my database. I don't believe I'll ever catch up,
but, hey, I'll keep trying.

Cheers, -----Brad

[Wjhonson]

http://books.google.com/books?id=161CAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA286

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[Wjhonson]

Through the Cotes family, Jusin Welby is a Cecil descendant

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[Wjhonson]

Showing how he descends from Richard Cecil

https://sites.google.com/site/ceciltree/ancestry-of-justin-portal-welby-archbishop-of-canterbury

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