Prince of Morea
GeeTee
1396-1402
and name as his wife Maria Zaccaria.
Who was HE? Is there any information about him available?
Dr. George Tsambourakis
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Pierre Aronax
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> Greek sources name:
Which one please ?
GeeTee
The Prince of Morea 1396-1402. He may have been the first Prince of Morea
but I can not find any further information..
Pierre Lesourd de Saint Superan as Prince of Morea 1396-1402
and name as his wife Maria Zaccaria.
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> GeeTee <eac...@ozemail.com.au> a écrit dans le message :
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> > Greek sources name:
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> Which one please ?
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Pierre Aronax
> I don't understand your question.
Which Greek sources do you refer to ?
Pierre
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B.M. Kamp
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> The Prince of Morea 1396-1402. He may have been the first Prince of Morea
> but I can not find any further information..
>
> Pierre Lesourd de Saint Superan as Prince of Morea 1396-1402
> and name as his wife Maria Zaccaria.
>
Steven Runciman: Mistra, Byzantine Capital of the Peloponese, London 1980:
page 49:
"When the last Angevin representative Jacques de Baux died in 1383 there
were five claimants to the title of of prince, but the power was in the
hands of the Navarrese Company, which had come to Greece a few years
previously, in the hope of imitating the success of the Catalan Company. In
1396 the Commander of the Company, Peter of San Superan, proclaimed himself
Prince. On his death in 1402 his widow. Maria Zaccarione, of the genoese
family that now ruled Chios, was ousted by her nephew, Centurione Zaccaria,
who was the last Latin to rule as Prince of Achaia."
I know nothing else of Peter (Pedro?) de San Superan. It seems likely he was
Navarrese.
Prince of Morea was the vernacular title for Prince of Achaia. The Anjou
claim on the prinipality was based on the marriage (in 1271) of Philippe
d'Anjou with Isabelle de Villehardouin, daughter of the (Latin) Prince of
Achaia. Though the marriage was childless the Anjou's could claim the
principality on the basis of the marriage treaty.
Regards to all,
Bert M. Kamp
Pierre Aronax
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<...>
> Prince of Morea was the vernacular title for Prince of Achaia. The Anjou
> claim on the prinipality was based on the marriage (in 1271) of Philippe
> d'Anjou with Isabelle de Villehardouin, daughter of the (Latin) Prince of
> Achaia. Though the marriage was childless
and Philip of Anjou, who died in 1277, one year before his father in law,
was never prince of Morea,
> the Anjou's could claim the
> principality on the basis of the marriage treaty.
Not exactly : recte on the basis of the treaty of Viterbo (24 May 1267)
between Charles I of Anjou and William of Villehardouin : succession to the
principalty and marriage of Philip with Isabelle were both arranged by this
treaty, but it was not a marriage treaty (such marriage treaty was
nevertheless written in 1271, but had no effect on the succession).
Pierre
Pierre Aronax
> Internet: History of Peloponnese. It's a semigovernment Web site
Well, I'm a little disappointed : that is not exactly what I would have
called a Greek source...
Anyway, Peter of San Superan was one of the Navarrese adventurers who came
in Greece in 1376 on the service of Louis of Evreux, count of Beaumont and
brother of the king of Navarra, who wanted to recover the duchy of Durrazzo
on the coast of Epiros (today in Albania), his wife's heritage. They
succeeded, but Louis of Evreux died 26 of August 1376. The Navarrese company
passed then on the service of the Hospitallers knights of Rhodes, then to
the service of Nerio Acciaiolo, lord of Corinth (and later duke of Athens)
and at least of James (Jacques/Giacomo) des Baux, titular Emperor of
Constantinople, for who the Navarreses took control of the principality of
Morea which was part of his inheritance. Mahiot of Coquerel, the head of the
Company, was at this time imperial bayle of the principality and its
effective ruler. Emperor James died in 1383 and the company was again
without a lord.
At the death of the bayle Mahiot of Coquerel, at the end of 1385 or the
beginning of 1386, his successor was Peter of San Superan. Nothing precise
is known about his origins, but he is frequently called "bordo of San
Superan", or even simply bordus, a word which means "bastard" (and his not a
proper name, as thought some historians, calling him "Le Bourd" in French).
He took the title of "vicarious and general captain of the principality of
Morea", and espoused Maria Zaccaria, daughter of Erard Mavros, one of the
two most prominent barons of Morea (he never married a daughter of Andronico
Asan Zaccaria, the other leader of Peloponnesian aristocracy, as repeated ad
nauseam in the bibliography). Finally, he managed to obtain the recognition
of the hereditary title of prince of Morea from Ladislao of Anjou, king of
Naples and suzerain of the principality. It was the coronation of his career
: he paid some 3000 Venetian ducats for that. He reigned on the part of the
peninsula which was still in the hands of the Latins (the most part was now
recuperated by the Byzantins) until his death in 1402, before the 2 December
of that year. He had children for whom his widow Maria was regent, but she
was of the power by her nephew, Centurione Zaccaria, who obtained for
himself the recognition of the king of Naples. Nothing is known about the
fate of Maria and her children.
Brief accounts of the story of the Navarrese company and of San Superan can
be founded in general books about Medieval Frankish Greece, many of which
are in English, from the venerable work of William Miller ("The Latins in
the Levant", London 1908, p. 340-343, 367-368) to the pitiful book of P.
Lock ("The Franks in the Aegean", London 1995, p. 132-133). Most recent
scholarly research on the subject is by A. Luttrell, "Appunti sulle
compagnie navarresi in Grecia: 1376-1404", in "Rivista di Studi Bizantini e
Slavi, 3(1984).
Pierre
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Sally Laine
Why is Lock's book pitiful? I have it, but as it is the only book I have
read on these Franks I have nothing else to judge it against.
Thanks
Sally
Pierre Aronax
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> Pierre,
> Why is Lock's book pitiful? I have it, but as it is the only book I have
> read on these Franks I have nothing else to judge it against.
> Thanks
> Sally
Because it his a second-hand book, which is not a shame per se, but is when
the author has not read a wide part of the bibliography or even did not
really read the books he pretends to have used. Lock has ignored almost all
the bibliography which is not in English, for an historical area where the
most important scholars wrote in Italian, German and French. That's the
first point. More important, he mentioned works in his bibliography, but
nevertheless in his text repeated ancient errors which are corrected in this
works ! So, the reader can think he has read a synthesis up to date, when it
is certainly not the case.
An example : Lock quotes in his bibliography the article of Longnon on the
first dukes of Athens (in French), but clearly didn't read it because what
he says himself of the genealogy of this dukes has nothing to do with the
conclusions of Longnon... And that's not the only case of that kind !
With the numerous errors of his own Lock also put in his book, it makes of
this book a masterpiece of inaccuracies, particularly from the genealogical
point of view. So, I strongly advise against it.
Pierre
Sally Laine
Sally
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