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Continued Mansell ancestry of Actor Cary Elwes
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Wjhonson
Oct 29, 2011, 4:44:44 PM10/29/11
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http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00474168&tree=LEO
This Mary was the elder of two surviving daughters of Anthony Mansel of Llantrithed esq by his wife Elizabeth Bassett sole heiress of her father John Bassett esq by his wife Elizabeth Norton daughter of Andrew Norton of Bristow esq by his wife Anne Herbert
Mary's sister Cecily was that one who married Sir Raleigh Bussy of Haydor, co Linc. I don't show any children of this last couple but perhaps there were.
Mary's husband this Sir Thomas Aubrey of Llantrithed, co Glamorgan was the second son of his father William Aubrey D.C.L. who died 23 Jul 1595 aged 66 by his wife Wilgiford Williams daughter of John Williams of Teynton, co Oxford Gent
Anthony Mansel was the son of Sir Rhys Mansel of Margam who has an IPM and died 10 Apr 1559, Anthony's mother was Cicely Daubridgecourt daughter of John of Hants esq
That Alice (Mansel) Cradock ancestral to the british royal house was Sir Rhys' aunt.
So at this point we've cemented yet another cousin connection for Cary Elwes to the Duchess of York and also to Princess Diana.
Will Johnson
This Mary was the elder of two surviving daughters of Anthony Mansel of Llantrithed esq by his wife Elizabeth Bassett sole heiress of her father John Bassett esq by his wife Elizabeth Norton daughter of Andrew Norton of Bristow esq by his wife Anne Herbert
Mary's sister Cecily was that one who married Sir Raleigh Bussy of Haydor, co Linc. I don't show any children of this last couple but perhaps there were.
Mary's husband this Sir Thomas Aubrey of Llantrithed, co Glamorgan was the second son of his father William Aubrey D.C.L. who died 23 Jul 1595 aged 66 by his wife Wilgiford Williams daughter of John Williams of Teynton, co Oxford Gent
Anthony Mansel was the son of Sir Rhys Mansel of Margam who has an IPM and died 10 Apr 1559, Anthony's mother was Cicely Daubridgecourt daughter of John of Hants esq
That Alice (Mansel) Cradock ancestral to the british royal house was Sir Rhys' aunt.
So at this point we've cemented yet another cousin connection for Cary Elwes to the Duchess of York and also to Princess Diana.
Will Johnson
Leo
Oct 29, 2011, 5:54:59 PM10/29/11
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Dear Will,
Who is the father of Sir Rhys Mansel? John, Leonard, Jenkin, Philip or
Richard?
Leo
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Wjhonson
Oct 29, 2011, 6:23:36 PM10/29/11
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Philip Mansel of Oxwich Castle, Gower, co Glamorgan was at the head of an army in 1461, he was attainted 4E4
By his wife a daughter of Gryffdd he had a son Jenkyn who was living in 1460, Jenkyn was an adult by 1485 and at the institution of H7 got the attainder reversed. This Jenkyn married Edith Kyme, the identity of whom allows me to submit yet another cousin linkage shortly.
At any rate Edith and Jenkyn were the parents of Sir Rhys Mansell of Margam which place he obtained in 1537.
Some sources would have him knighted later however he is referred to BY 1531 in the will of his uncle as already then a Knight.
This Rhys had a first wife by whom no surviving issue, a second wife with two daughters by her and the third wife was Cicely Daubridgecourt. I hope to shortly identify her as well.
By this third wife, it is not often noticed that he had an elder son Philip who d.v.p. however Philip is mentioned in the will of Rhys who gives to his widowed daughter in law Mary. The second son of Rhys, Edward was "age 28" in his father's 1559 IPM and married Jane daughter of Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl Worcester. This Jane died 16 Oct 1597 "aet 67".
By his wife a daughter of Gryffdd he had a son Jenkyn who was living in 1460, Jenkyn was an adult by 1485 and at the institution of H7 got the attainder reversed. This Jenkyn married Edith Kyme, the identity of whom allows me to submit yet another cousin linkage shortly.
At any rate Edith and Jenkyn were the parents of Sir Rhys Mansell of Margam which place he obtained in 1537.
Some sources would have him knighted later however he is referred to BY 1531 in the will of his uncle as already then a Knight.
This Rhys had a first wife by whom no surviving issue, a second wife with two daughters by her and the third wife was Cicely Daubridgecourt. I hope to shortly identify her as well.
By this third wife, it is not often noticed that he had an elder son Philip who d.v.p. however Philip is mentioned in the will of Rhys who gives to his widowed daughter in law Mary. The second son of Rhys, Edward was "age 28" in his father's 1559 IPM and married Jane daughter of Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl Worcester. This Jane died 16 Oct 1597 "aet 67".
John
Oct 29, 2011, 7:37:38 PM10/29/11
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The surnsme is spelled Mansell by CP, Mansel, Mansell, or Maunsell by
CB, and Maunsell by Burke's Irish Family Records (BIFR) which seems to
have the most complete pedigree of the family.
See comments inserted below.....
On Oct 29, 3:23 pm, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> Philip Mansel of Oxwich Castle, Gower, co Glamorgan was at the head of an army in 1461, he was attainted 4E4
> By his wife a daughter of Gryffdd he had a son Jenkyn who was living in 1460, Jenkyn was an adult by 1485 and at the institution of H7 got the attainder reversed. This Jenkyn married Edith Kyme, the identity of whom allows me to submit yet another cousin linkage shortly.
Sir Philip Mansell fought at the battle of Mortimer's Cross in 1461
and was beheaded after the battle of Tewkesbury in 1471. The wife of
his son Jenkin is usually called Edith Kene or Keen, not Kyme, whose
father Sir George and grandfather William were of Well hall, Eltham,
Kent. The use of the name Kyme by some sources is an attempt to
connect her to the Kyme family of Lincolnshire - or, more wildly, to a
certain Thomas Kyme who was the 2nd husband of Cecily, daughter of
King Edward IV, and of whom CP says "nothing more is known" beyond his
marriage to Cecily.
There is a connection to the royal family here, however, because Sir
George Kene's sister Margaret (or bridget, depending on the source)
mar. William Trussell of Kibblestone and is an ancestor of Prince
Charles.
>
> At any rate Edith and Jenkyn were the parents of Sir Rhys Mansell of Margam which place he obtained in 1537.
> Some sources would have him knighted later however he is referred to BY 1531 in the will of his uncle as already then a Knight.
> This Rhys had a first wife by whom no surviving issue, a second wife with two daughters by her and the third wife was Cicely Daubridgecourt. I hope to shortly identify her as well.
>
> By this third wife, it is not often noticed that he had an elder son Philip who d.v.p. however Philip is mentioned in the will of Rhys who gives to his widowed daughter in law Mary. The second son of Rhys, Edward was "age 28" in his father's 1559 IPM and married Jane daughter of Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl Worcester. This Jane died 16 Oct 1597 "aet 67".
>
According to BIFR the eldest son Philip was a son of the 2nd wife, not
the 3rd wife. BIFR also gives details on the parentage of all three
wives.
CB, and Maunsell by Burke's Irish Family Records (BIFR) which seems to
have the most complete pedigree of the family.
See comments inserted below.....
On Oct 29, 3:23 pm, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> Philip Mansel of Oxwich Castle, Gower, co Glamorgan was at the head of an army in 1461, he was attainted 4E4
> By his wife a daughter of Gryffdd he had a son Jenkyn who was living in 1460, Jenkyn was an adult by 1485 and at the institution of H7 got the attainder reversed. This Jenkyn married Edith Kyme, the identity of whom allows me to submit yet another cousin linkage shortly.
and was beheaded after the battle of Tewkesbury in 1471. The wife of
his son Jenkin is usually called Edith Kene or Keen, not Kyme, whose
father Sir George and grandfather William were of Well hall, Eltham,
Kent. The use of the name Kyme by some sources is an attempt to
connect her to the Kyme family of Lincolnshire - or, more wildly, to a
certain Thomas Kyme who was the 2nd husband of Cecily, daughter of
King Edward IV, and of whom CP says "nothing more is known" beyond his
marriage to Cecily.
There is a connection to the royal family here, however, because Sir
George Kene's sister Margaret (or bridget, depending on the source)
mar. William Trussell of Kibblestone and is an ancestor of Prince
Charles.
>
> At any rate Edith and Jenkyn were the parents of Sir Rhys Mansell of Margam which place he obtained in 1537.
> Some sources would have him knighted later however he is referred to BY 1531 in the will of his uncle as already then a Knight.
> This Rhys had a first wife by whom no surviving issue, a second wife with two daughters by her and the third wife was Cicely Daubridgecourt. I hope to shortly identify her as well.
>
> By this third wife, it is not often noticed that he had an elder son Philip who d.v.p. however Philip is mentioned in the will of Rhys who gives to his widowed daughter in law Mary. The second son of Rhys, Edward was "age 28" in his father's 1559 IPM and married Jane daughter of Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl Worcester. This Jane died 16 Oct 1597 "aet 67".
>
the 3rd wife. BIFR also gives details on the parentage of all three
wives.
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