Instrumenta
Rafal T. Prinke
Just for the record:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06350c.htm
Gallia Christiana
A documentary catalogue or list, with brief historical notices,
of all the dioceses and abbeys of France from the earliest times,
also of their occupants.
[...]
The documents, instead of encumbering the body of the articles, are
inserted at the foot of each column under the title "Instrumenta".
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Best regards,
Rafal
Phil Moody
in the Catholic Encyclopedia for the plucking. It just goes to show you how
dependent some scholars are on having the information spoon fed to them;
that they won't even trouble themselves to search the web for the answer.
Cheers,
Phil
Peter Stewart
> Thank you Rafal; this is rich indeed! To think, the answer was right there
> in the Catholic Encyclopedia for the plucking. It just goes to show you how
> dependent some scholars are on having the information spoon fed to them;
> that they won't even trouble themselves to search the web for the answer.
>
> Cheers,
> Phil
This is a bizarre comment - the "answer", for someone who doesn't
require spoon-feeding from the www, is of course not in the Catholic
Encyclopedia but in 'Gallia Christiana' itself.
The aim was not to elicit information directly about this point (on
which many people in the newsgroup already knew the correct "answer"
had been given by Todd), but rather to discover whether or not a
specific citation in print (of which its author was apparently
ignorant) had ever been based on an actual consultation of the source
in question. An "answer" to this puzzle can reasonably be deduced from
the failure to respond in these circumstances, while the
non-respondent was merrily "answering" away on other questions that
had not been asked.
Peter Stewart
D. Spencer Hines
It reminds me of the Iraqis, who simply ignore certain questions from
the U.N.
"It may be said that, thanks to the 'clercs', humanity did evil for two
thousand years, but honoured good. This contradiction was an honour to
the human species, and formed the rift whereby civilisation slipped into
the world." "La Trahison des clercs" [The Treason of the Intellectuals]
(1927) Julien Benda (1867-1956)
Ubique Quo Fas Et Gloria Ducunt --- Motto of the Royal Artillery
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Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
"Peter Stewart" <peter....@crsrehab.gov.au> wrote in message
news:5054737e.02101...@posting.google.com...
Phil Moody
> The aim was not to elicit information directly about this point (on
> which many people in the newsgroup already knew the correct "answer"
> had been given by Todd), but rather to discover whether or not a
> specific citation in print (of which its author was apparently
> ignorant) had ever been based on an actual consultation of the source
> in question. An "answer" to this puzzle can reasonably be deduced from
> the failure to respond in these circumstances, while the
> non-respondent was merrily "answering" away on other questions that
> had not been asked.
PLM: I believe you have adduced the wrong conclusion concerning Mr.
Richardson's silence with respect to your questions, for the simple fact
that he has posed questions to you; which you have failed to answer, and
therefore we have an impasse. It is irrational for you to demand that
Douglas address your question; when you have no intention of answering the
questions he posed to you; which you are perfectly capable of answering.
I know for a fact that there is no malicious intent behind Mr.
Richardson's questions to you, and in no way did he suggest that you answer
on list; so if you will answer his simple questions off list, I'm confident
that you will have your question adequately answered on list.
This would be an equitable arrangement.
Best Wishes,
Phil
Stewart, Peter
line of argument and announcing inside knowledge of another participant's
motives - I didn't ask any question of Mr Richardson (Todd Farmerie did). I
simply commented on his failure to answer when doing so was clearly in his
own interests - not at all in mine. It doesn't hurt me, commercially or
otherwise, that another person won't or can't defend himself from a
reputation for lifting citations, source unseen.
As for the questions asked of me, I don't choose to answer in public for
obvious reasons that Daphne and others have pointed out; and I have better
things to do with my time than enter into unwanted private correspondence
about my life with someone I don't know & from whom I do not wish to receive
unsolicited items by postage at my home address.
Peter Stewart
Douglas Richardson
> You are casting yourself in a very dubious light by sustaining this curious
> line of argument and announcing inside knowledge of another participant's
> motives - I didn't ask any question of Mr Richardson (Todd Farmerie did). I
> simply commented on his failure to answer when doing so was clearly in his
> own interests - not at all in mine. It doesn't hurt me, commercially or
> otherwise, that another person won't or can't defend himself from a
> reputation for lifting citations, source unseen.
>
> As for the questions asked of me, I don't choose to answer in public for
> obvious reasons that Daphne and others have pointed out; and I have better
> things to do with my time than enter into unwanted private correspondence
> about my life with someone I don't know & from whom I do not wish to receive
> unsolicited items by postage at my home address.
>
> Peter Stewart
>
You can chose to answer simple questions about yourself and your
attainments, or not. That is entirely up to you. However, if you
chose not to answer them, then you forego your right to demand that
others here on the newsgroup answer your posts, especially when you
are questioning the motives of other posters.
As you know, from time to time, individuals post here masquerading as
another individual. In your case, I find it intriguing that you have
a posting pattern similar to Spencer Hines, yet you supposedly live
several time zones away from him. Frankly, given your evident
knowledge and academic training, it is odd that you would not have a
ready answer for us regarding your bonafides.
At your convenience, I'd very much appreciate the favor of a reply
with your particulars. This is a friendly enquiry and is not meant to
be adversarial. I have enjoyed your previous posts and look forward
to further dialog with you here on the newsgroup.
Sincerely yours, Douglas Richardson, B.A., M.A., Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
Tony Ingham
You really are being an obnoxious prat.
I notice the use of post nominials. What a wanker you are.
As you say Peter has shown by his postings that he is a very cluey fellow indeed. He also has a quality which,sadly, you lack. He is a
gentleman.
I think Spencer must be chuckling in his sleeve at the comparisons you hinted at.
I wish you would desist and get your book out to all the trusting souls who made advance orders. I personally are looking forward to it's
launching with bated breath.
Sincerely yours, Anthony Ingham, Grad. S.H.K. (School of hard knocks)
Renia
> Peter....@crsrehab.gov.au ("Stewart, Peter") wrote in message news:<BE9CF8DEAB7ED311B05E...@v003138e.crsrehab.gov.au>...
>
>>You are casting yourself in a very dubious light by sustaining this curious
>>line of argument and announcing inside knowledge of another participant's
>>motives - I didn't ask any question of Mr Richardson (Todd Farmerie did). I
>>simply commented on his failure to answer when doing so was clearly in his
>>own interests - not at all in mine. It doesn't hurt me, commercially or
>>otherwise, that another person won't or can't defend himself from a
>>reputation for lifting citations, source unseen.
>>
>>As for the questions asked of me, I don't choose to answer in public for
>>obvious reasons that Daphne and others have pointed out; and I have better
>>things to do with my time than enter into unwanted private correspondence
>>about my life with someone I don't know & from whom I do not wish to receive
>>unsolicited items by postage at my home address.
>>
>>Peter Stewart
>>
>
>
> Dear Peter ~
>
> You can chose to answer simple questions about yourself and your
> attainments, or not. That is entirely up to you. However, if you
> chose not to answer them, then you forego your right to demand that
> others here on the newsgroup answer your posts, especially when you
> are questioning the motives of other posters.
A ridiculous statement to make. If I ask you when you stopped beating
your wife, would you then forgo your right for people here to answer
your posts?
Think before you speak, Douglas.
>
> As you know, from time to time, individuals post here masquerading as
> another individual. In your case, I find it intriguing that you have
> a posting pattern similar to Spencer Hines, yet you supposedly live
> several time zones away from him.
That's because they're plainly two different people. You are developing
a mastery of the art of insulting people which you have plainly learned
from DSH. Perhaps it is you and DSH who are one and the same?
Are you slowly losing the plot, Douglas?
Frankly, given your evident
> knowledge and academic training, it is odd that you would not have a
> ready answer for us regarding your bonafides.
Of what relevance are his credentials? Or anyone else's here, for that
matter? We could all fake them and plump ourselves up to sound more
legitimate than we are. It sounds like you are collecting people's
credentials to make sure yours are not superceded.
>
> At your convenience, I'd very much appreciate the favor of a reply
> with your particulars. This is a friendly enquiry and is not meant to
> be adversarial. I have enjoyed your previous posts and look forward
> to further dialog with you here on the newsgroup.
>
> Sincerely yours, Douglas Richardson, B.A., M.A., Salt Lake City, Utah
I don't know about the USA, but over here, an MA supercedes a BA so it
is unnecessary to cite both. For your credentials to be superior, you
really could do with a PhD.
Renia Simmonds, B.A.(Hons), England
Phil Moody
> A ridiculous statement to make. If I ask you when you stopped beating
> your wife, would you then forgo your right for people here to answer
> your posts?
>
> Think before you speak, Douglas.
PLM: You have clearly misinterpreted DR's post; so don't hold your breath
waiting for a reply from him. You now accuse him of beating his wife; so it
appears to me as though you are DSH's star pupil. Your arguments throughout
are illogical, and this clearly illustrates the point.
How is the shameful practice of beating a wife the same as someone's
academic achievements; which one should take pride in, and therefore they
should be given without hesitation when asked? You cannot compare apples to
oranges and call them equal, so your Venusians logic will not fly here.
The rest of your comments are just as far off the mark; so I will not
waste my time highlighting your poor reasoning.
Cheers,
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Renia" <ren...@ntlworld.com>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Instrumenta
Phil Moody
> You really are being an obnoxious prat.
PLM: Tony, since you and I are grads of the same University; then I'm sure
you are familiar with the vernacular, "Opinions are like arseholes; everyone
has one"? However, your opinion is based on ignorance, and carry's little
weight, Tony. I have seen the comparison of unique vocabulary; which Peter
and Hines both share, and they are not common words that any other posters
use; so Doug's suspicions are not unwarranted.
Cheers,
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Ingham" <nugg...@hotkey.net.au>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: Instrumenta
Renia
The question "When did you stop beating your wife?" is a famous one
which is impossible to answer. It is often used by academics to
illustrate the impossible answer to the impossible question.
The questioned cannot answer "I do not beat my wife", because it does
not answer the question.
While the question presupposes that a person beats their wife, it also
presupposes that the beatings have stopped.
Or perhaps this particular example is not used over on your side of the
Pond, in which case, my apologies.
Renia
Douglas Richardson
<SNIP>
> I don't know about the USA, but over here, an MA supercedes a BA so it
> is unnecessary to cite both. For your credentials to be superior, you
> really could do with a PhD.
>
> Renia Simmonds, B.A.(Hons), England
Dear Renia ~
It is certainly unnecessary to cite both degrees. Interestingly, I
saw an article published in an English journal just last week where
the author cited BOTH his B.A. and M.A. degrees. So, perhaps you are
not as familiar with British customs as you think. Here in America,
we usually just cite the superior degree.
As for getting a Ph.D., I'm a strong believer in the value of
education. I'm sure we would both benefit from further education in
our respective fields. Have you considered getting a Master of Arts
(M.A.) degree?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
Chris Phillips
> > I don't know about the USA, but over here, an MA supercedes a BA so it
> > is unnecessary to cite both. For your credentials to be superior, you
> > really could do with a PhD.
Douglas Richardson wrote:
> As for getting a Ph.D., I'm a strong believer in the value of
> education. I'm sure we would both benefit from further education in
> our respective fields. Have you considered getting a Master of Arts
> (M.A.) degree?
I'm afraid my confidence in the value of letters after your name was fatally
undermined when my university told me the only requirement to be awarded an
MA would be three more years' survival. To my surprise, they didn't even ask
me to pay for it!
So not only is my MA not in any subject relevant to genealogy, it's really
not in any subject at all.
Chris Phillips (History 'O' Level)
Reedpcgen
the accuracy of the substance of a query, or the need to answer a plain and
simple question about something you put in print.
If it is in print, and under your name, you should clarify. What is the
difficulty with that? This justification for avoiding it is a strange type of
thinking.
Paul
Kay Allen AG
have to do more than just survive to earn your MA. You have to pass your
subject marerial courses with a stated grade and you must either pass a
comprehensive examination or successfully complete and defend a thesis. And it
does cost bunches of money for the privilege.
Kay Allen BA, AG
Stewart, Peter
> From: royala...@msn.com [mailto:royala...@msn.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2002 19:44
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Instrumenta
>
>
> You can chose to answer simple questions about yourself and your
> attainments, or not. That is entirely up to you. However, if you
> chose not to answer them, then you forego your right to demand that
> others here on the newsgroup answer your posts, especially when you
> are questioning the motives of other posters.
Excuse me - where have I "demanded" that someone answer a post of mine? I
rather pointed out the untimmely lack of an answer to the question posted by
another participant, which it was in your professional interests to provide.
My "attainments" have not been made a subject for this newsgroup, either by
its charter or by personal vainglory - indeed cloying vulgarity - in
parading them as you have done with your academic qualifications and
bibliography (not tokens identical with achievement, of course); and
naturally I decline your public importuning for a private correspondence.
Peter Stewart
Stewart, Peter
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Instrumenta
>
>
> <snip>
> and Hines both share, and they are not common words that any
> other posters use; so Doug's suspicions are not unwarranted.
English vocabulary is the common heritage of Britons, North Americans and
Australians, and I'm not aware of any words posted here that can be thought
"unique" to one person, much less two.
What colour is the sky in your world? On my home planet it is blue, and in
my own part of Earth, Australia, we have native birds called cockatoos that
are adept at imitating speech. I have never encountered one, including
specimens stuffed in museums, that wasn't bright and discriminating enough
to see through this latest rot from Douglas Richardson.
Peter Stewart
Tim Powys-Lybbe
royala...@msn.com (Douglas Richardson) wrote:
> Renia <ren...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:<3DAD6D82...@ntlworld.com>...
>
> <SNIP>
>
> > I don't know about the USA, but over here, an MA supercedes a BA so it
> > is unnecessary to cite both. For your credentials to be superior, you
> > really could do with a PhD.
> >
> > Renia Simmonds, B.A.(Hons), England
>
> Dear Renia ~
>
> It is certainly unnecessary to cite both degrees. Interestingly, I
> saw an article published in an English journal just last week where
> the author cited BOTH his B.A. and M.A. degrees.
There is a point to this.
If you go to Oxford or Cambridge you can convert your BA to an MA after
three years (and the payment of a modest fee); there is no additional work
or exam to be done.
But at all (using this as a rule, not a law!) other universities in
Britain an MA requires more work and some examination of same and some
standard to achieve. So the guy would be very sensible to distinguish
himself from the layabouts at Oxbridge.
> So, perhaps you are not as familiar with British customs as you think.
> Here in America, we usually just cite the superior degree.
But an Oxbridge MA is NOT a superior degree. Anyone who writes "MA
(Oxon)" or "MA (Cantab)" has no more qualification than someone who
writes "BA (everywhere else)"; that is why it is important to look for
the British university when someone says they have an MA.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org
Clagett, Brice
I don't know about the UK, but over here we (or at least those of
us who remember any Latin) spell it "supersedes," not "supercedes".
Phil Moody
> While the question presupposes that a person beats their wife, it also
> presupposes that the beatings have stopped.
>
> Or perhaps this particular example is not used over on your side of the
> Pond, in which case, my apologies.
>
> Renia
PLM: Real men don't hit their wives under any circumstances, and I find it
extremely offensive to suggest that they do. Having witnessed my mother
being beaten by my step father on several occasions, when I was to young to
stop it; I loath men who would do such a thing, and it is something I don't
allow to happen in my presence now.
When I was sixteen, my neighbor was beating his wife, and I took it upon
myself to go over to their home and put a stop to it. I went into their home
and subdued this grown man, being stabbed in the ribs for my trouble, while
awaiting for the police to arrive. When the police finally took him to jail,
I was told that I could not press charges against him for assault with a
deadly weapon, because I was the aggressor, and he would be acquitted
because he would allege it was self defense. Had my rib not stopped the
knife, I would have been running around with only one lung the rest of my
life, and the chap who inflicted the wound would not have suffered any
penalty.
I do not physically abuse my wife, no matter how angry I get. I was so
full of rage with my wife at one point, that I merely walked away from her,
and hit a twelve inch diameter steel post in front of a Safeway store, and
broke two bones in my hand. I'm sure this was some spectacle in broad
daylight, to the shoppers that day; especially when I hauled off and hit it
again with my elbow, and nonchalantly waked away:-)
Not to much longer after this, my wife asked for a separation, and my
mother died of lung cancer within a couple of weeks, and I became severely
depressed; so I had myself hospitalized so I get professional treatment.
While I was in the hospital safely locked away; my wife thought it a good
opportunity to send my brother up there to tell me that she was having an
affair with a co-worker.
Well, as the medication and therapy sessions began to have a positive
effect, I was allowed to go to the halfway house, where I could come and go
as I pleased, as long as I kept to their schedule of treatment. At this
point, my wife and I had began counseling, and with tears in her eye's, and
a sorrowful heart, she assured me that she was not going to see this man
again, and she wanted me back. I reluctantly agreed to this, but I was still
under the doctors supervision; so I remained at the hospital.
Well, a few days later, I awoke in the middle of the night with the
sense that something tragic had happened; so I immediately called my wife at
home, to assure myself that everything was alright, only to find that the
phone had been disconnected. So I immediately left and drove home, only to
discover that she was not alone, as there was another car parked in the
drive. Well, after an eternity, she finally opened the door and asked what I
was doing there. I told her, and I asked her to turn on a light; because the
house was still in total darkness, and I was not going in blindly. She
turned on a light, and I stepped in and asked who was there with her, since
no one was in sight.
She did not answer me; so I asked if it was the man she had been having
an affair with, and she nodded her head in the affirmative. I had never seen
him, so I went from room to room, turning on the lights as I went, until I
finally found him cowering on the bathroom floor, imploring me not to hurt
him; because he said nothing happened, he just "needed a place to crash";
although he had a wife and family of his own to go to. My wife stepped in
front of me, thinking I was going to do this putrid pile of puss bodily
harm, but when I saw her reaction, all I did was push her down on top of
this pig, and told him, "if you want the Bitch, she's yours", and stormed
out of the house.
Now, if I can go through such a cruel betrayal, and still refrain from
"hitting" a woman, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind, that I never
will physically abuse one. As I said, real men don't abuse woman, and it is
an insult to insinuate in any way, that they do.
I can't rationalize why I'm still with my wife now, but then love cannot
be rationalized, at least not by me.
Best Wishes,
D. Spencer Hines
We have long realized that Pogue Moody is badly bent ---- but this takes
the cake.
Bent, Spindled, Folded and Mutilated....
Damaged Goods Indeed ---- USENET seems to attract them by the gaggle....
| I do not physically abuse my wife, no matter how angry I get. I was so
| full of rage with my wife at one point, that I merely walked away from
| her, and hit a twelve inch diameter steel post in front of a Safeway
| store, and broke two bones in my hand. I'm sure this was some
| spectacle in broad daylight, to the shoppers that day; especially when
| I hauled off and hit it again with my elbow, and nonchalantly
| waked [sic] away:-)
Hilarious! ---- Pogue Moody thinks it's funny too....So there is no
possible offense....
Deus Vult.
"It may be said that, thanks to the 'clercs', humanity did evil for two
thousand years, but honoured good. This contradiction was an honour to
the human species, and formed the rift whereby civilisation slipped into
the world." "La Trahison des clercs" [The Treason of the Intellectuals]
(1927) Julien Benda (1867-1956)
Ubique Quo Fas Et Gloria Ducunt --- Motto of the Royal Artillery
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material contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It
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D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
""Phil Moody"" <moody...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:000901c2757a$81a92100$1a69...@tu.ok.cox.net...
Tony Ingham
What a clever phrase you used. I suspect others on the list may be less
familiar with it than you or I and it would have been more appropriately placed
in a private mailing on the subject.
Your assertion that "your opinion is based on ignorance, and carry's [sic]
little
weight, Tony." is way off the mark.
A reasonably intelligent pre-schooler could have seen where Douglas' comments
were leading us. As an expatriate South Australian I can assure you that Peter
is not a DSH forwarding agent. He is not even a DSH clone as I'm sure Spencer
would be the first to agree.
I received my formal education under the guidance of one Brother Romuald
O'Brien. He was headmaster of our school, choirmaster and also full-time
teacher of three subjects. In his spare time he attended Adelaide University
and gained M.A. B.Sc. He produced from among our ranks a world-renowned Gilbert
and Sullivan performer, an Olympic athlete and also the man who coached the
Australian athletic team for many years. I respected that man above all other
men. He was a modest, simple man with an extremely powerful intellect. His post
nominials are and will continue to be the only ones which I hold in high regard.
Unfortunately there are too many poseurs in today's world. All gloss and shine
with a minimum of substance.
If Douglas craves the high esteem of his peers I suggest that he "takes a
long, hard look at himself."
Tony Ingham
Richard Smyth
> But an Oxbridge MA is NOT a superior degree. Anyone who writes "MA
> (Oxon)" or "MA (Cantab)" has no more qualification than someone who
> writes "BA (everywhere else)"; that is why it is important to look for
> the British university when someone says they have an MA.
Judgments about the value of degrees need to be time-indexed as well as
place-indexed. In years past an M.A. in philosophy from a good Scottish
university would have been more impressive than a Ph.D. from any U.S.
college. Colin McGinn in his recent autobiography makes it clear that when
he came along an advanced degree from Oxford, without the B.Phil, would have
killed his chances for an academic career in Great Britain. But in that
same time period the B. Phil without a Ph.D. would have killed his chances
for tenure at some colleges in the U.S. Come to think of it, weren't the
British Ph.D.'s originally made for the export market?
Regards,
Richard Smyth
sm...@nc.rr.com
D. Spencer Hines
the baggage remaining from its origins. The British resisted it far
longer than some other cultures and seem to have a healthy disrespect
for it in many quarters ---- perhaps because it still "smells German."
Unfortunately, today, Ph.D.'s in general ---- but particularly in
History, for our purposes ---- are granted for incredibly narrow
scholarship. In fact the clever student often tries to make his or her
dissertation subject as narrow and as obscure as possible ---- claiming,
of course, that he or she is adding pure gold to the Great Storehouse Of
Human Knowledge.
That's one major reason why we see a plenitude of Ph.D.'s here on SGM
and SHM who make so many incredible gaffes ---- because they are
invariably poaching far, far out of field ---- since their actual
"field" is of postage-stamp size.
In general, attorneys, physicians, clerics, independent scholars and
other just well-educated people who post here seem to have far better
track records ---- and do not suffer from the crippling disabilities
that so many academics seem to be prone to.
Deus Vult.
"It may be said that, thanks to the 'clercs', humanity did evil for two
thousand years, but honoured good. This contradiction was an honour to
the human species, and formed the rift whereby civilisation slipped into
the world." "La Trahison des clercs" [The Treason of the Intellectuals]
(1927) Julien Benda (1867-1956)
Ubique Quo Fas Et Gloria Ducunt --- Motto of the Royal Artillery
All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly. All original
material contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It
may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution
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writing.
------------------
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
""Richard Smyth"" <sm...@email.unc.edu> wrote in message
news:001601c27582$36141800$0201a8c0@peirce...
Phil Moody
> But an Oxbridge MA is NOT a superior degree. Anyone who writes "MA
> (Oxon)" or "MA (Cantab)" has no more qualification than someone who
> writes "BA (everywhere else)"; that is why it is important to look for
> the British university when someone says they have an MA.
PLM: Thank you Tim for your input! As a Yank, I'm very ignorant of the U. K.
academic credentials; so this is information I value. A good friend of mine
in Scotland has an MA, and I never fully understood what this signified. He
did indicate at one point, that he actually had written and defended two
separate theses; so I am assuming he did not go to Oxford, and that his MA
was attained under more arduous criteria than an Oxon one:-) He had won some
prestigious award for one of them, and spent two weeks in Geneva to accept
his award; so I take it that his MA. is of the highest order.
He became an educator, but had to take early retirement for health
reasons; so he has taken on the responsibility of being the facilitator of
our Clan grant research project for the last 2.5 years. My ignorance of the
difficulty he went through to achieve his MA, has resulted on several
occasions in my not giving him his due respect, and my replies have not
always been amicable toward him; which I always regret in hindsight.
And by the same token, I can now see that the praise he has bestowed on
me for my original ideas, was not merely lip service, but an honor he truly
felt I deserved. I can clearly see that I have misjudged him in many
instances, and treated him unfairly; so I will have to make amends for my
behavior.
Best Wishes,
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <t...@powys.org>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Phil Moody
> What a clever phrase you used. I suspect others on the list may be less
> familiar with it than you or I and it would have been more appropriately
placed
> in a private mailing on the subject.
PLM: Everyone wipes and washes them daily, or I would hope they do; so I
don't believe the language is to delicate for anyone's sensibility. There is
no phrase that expresses more succinctly what an opinion truly is, than the
one I used. While everyone has their own unique opinion, it is only the
aggregate knowledge behind one's opinion; which makes one opinion superior
to another. Would this have been more to your liking, Tony?
> Your assertion that "your opinion is based on ignorance, and carry's [sic]
> little
> weight, Tony." is way off the mark.
PLM: I spotted "Carry's" after I had already run it by the spell checker,
and had second thoughts, but I was ready to send; so I decided to be lazy,
and send it regardless of my misgivings:-) Thanks for keeping me on my toes,
Tony:-) It never pays to be a slacker in this forum:-)
No, my assertion was not way off the mark, from the perspective I was
speaking from. I was privileged to receive an explanation from Doug about
his suspicions off list, and therefore I have a better understanding of the
situation than you do, Tony.
I use ignorance to mean an absence of knowledge, and in your hasty
judgment of DR, this is how I assessed your opinion. Tony, please accept my
apology if my words were misconstrued as an insult to your intelligence,
because that was not my intent. I was merely trying to convey that your
opinion was based on insufficient data, concerning Doug's reasoning.
Best Wishes,
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Ingham" <nugg...@hotkey.net.au>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Phil Moody
> Hilarious! ---- Pogue Moody thinks it's funny too....So there is no
> possible offense....
PLM: None taken old boy. I can freely admit, that I have done some bone head things in the past, and I can find the humor in my own dysfunctional behavior. I would much rather take ownership of my own inadequacies, and try to overcome such juvenile behavior, and humor helps get beyond the experience. It is certainly better than wallowing in self pity, and blaming everyone else for my own screw ups. I have noticed that some people here cannot find any humor in their own mistakes, and prefer to resent and killfile those who point these humorous mistakes out to them, now that's a pity.
Perhaps you will like this one as well. I am possibly the fastest man on earth. When I was seven, the whole family were out in the woods scouting out a possible Christmas tree, and I liked to explore; so I went far away into the woods. When my mother called for us to come back, It took me longer to return to the car than she liked; so when I reached the clearing where the car was parked, they began to drive away. I was petrified of being left alone in the woods far from home; so I made a mad dash for the car, and was able to grab the door handle, and hang on for dear life. They kept speeding up, rather than stopping to let me in, and my mother proudly boasted afterwards, that they were going 35 miles an hour, before I broke stride and tumbled into the pine needles. This was a traumatic experience for me, but I have turn it into an experience I can take pride in, because I know of no other human who has run this fast at the age of 7. My brother and sister are living witne!
sses to this fact.
Best Wishes,
Phil
"D. Spencer Hines" <D._Spenc...@usa.edu> wrote in message news:Mxor9.213$g64....@eagle.america.net...
> Classic!
norenxaq
>
> PLM: None taken old boy. I can freely admit, that I have done some bone head things in the past, and I can find the humor in my own dysfunctional behavior. I would much rather take ownership of my own inadequacies, and try to overcome such juvenile behavior, and humor helps get beyond the experience. It is certainly better than wallowing in self pity, and blaming everyone else for my own screw ups. I have noticed that some people here cannot find any humor in their own mistakes, and prefer to resent and killfile those who point these humorous mistakes out to them, now that's a pity.
ne!
> sses to this fact.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Phil
>
AHA! so you're the Flash! :>
Tony Ingham
Thanks for your reply. Lets leave the subject alone and get back to what we do
best.
All the best,
Tony
Douglas Richardson
>
> my own part of Earth, Australia, we have native birds called cockatoos that
> are adept at imitating speech. I have never encountered one, including
> specimens stuffed in museums, that wasn't bright and discriminating enough
> to see through this latest rot from Douglas Richardson.
>
> Peter Stewart
Just where in Australia did you say you are?
Douglas Richardson
>
> rather pointed out the untimmely lack of an answer to the question posted by
> another participant, which it was in your professional interests to provide.
>
> My "attainments" have not been made a subject for this newsgroup, either by
> its charter or by personal vainglory - indeed cloying vulgarity - in
> parading them as you have done with your academic qualifications and
> bibliography (not tokens identical with achievement, of course); and
> naturally I decline your public importuning for a private correspondence.
>
> Peter Stewart
Dear "Peter" ~
Your vitals are indeed the subject of the newsgroup, if you are
masquerading under a false name. I'm a real person (Douglas
Richardson) who lives on a real street (Mansfield Avenue) in a real
city (Salt Lake City). I have real college degrees and six very real
children. Do you live in the real world, too, or are you just
pretending to be someone named Peter Stewart?
My questions have been simple. Your answers have been non-existent
and your excuses lame. Please confess your secrets. You're among
friends here. I for one promise not to shoot any arrows.
If you are a real person, well, then and good. If you are not,
perhaps we as a group need to grapple with why someone with such
obvious intellect and ability as you clearly possess feels the need to
hide their true identity. Are we promoting collegiality here and
fostering a positive place for people to post and seek answers to
questions. Or, do we quarrel, bicker, bitch, moan, name call, fault
find, intimidate, and bully?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Reedpcgen
Doug, listen to yourself.
Drop it.
This is not collegial, proper, scholarly, or topical. And it is a smoke screen
which distracts from topical matters.
As to the topical matter at hand (remember Instrumenta?), it doesn't matter who
posted the question about your citation. If the question was valid, it doesn't
matter if it was posted by Nemyetski, Galova, Uriah, Todd or Peter.
A valid question is still a valid question, regardless of its origin or
distractions from it.
Paul
Leo van de Pas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royala...@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: Instrumenta
--<snip>--
> Dear "Peter" ~
>
> Your vitals are indeed the subject of the newsgroup, if you are
> masquerading under a false name.
Dear Douglas,
Peter Stewart has participated on this list for considerable time.
Please, as you doubt his identity, do share with us WHY.
What has Peter done or said that makes you think he is "masquerading" and
really is someone else?
If you cannot give an acceptable reason, we have to question your motives.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Chris Phillips
Kay Allen AG wrote:
> I don't know about your unstated name university, but here in California,
you
> have to do more than just survive to earn your MA. You have to pass your
> subject marerial courses with a stated grade and you must either pass a
> comprehensive examination or successfully complete and defend a thesis.
And it
> does cost bunches of money for the privilege.
Sorry.
My post was really an attempt to lighten the tone of a rather grim off-topic
discussion by using an extreme and very ironic example. Not all letters
after people's names mean what people think.
Of course, no disparagement was intended of those who have worked to attain
qualifications in places that don't give them away.
Chris Phillips
Doug McDonald
"Stewart, Peter" wrote:
>
>
> What colour is the sky in your world?
What? what is "colour"? Could you explain?
Doug McDonald
BernardZ
_Spence...@usa.edu says...
> That's one major reason why we see a plenitude of Ph.D.'s here on SGM
> and SHM who make so many incredible gaffes ---- because they are
> invariably poaching far, far out of field ---- since their actual
> "field" is of postage-stamp size.
>
Yes they are only human. Still I have often though about it, when hiring
people for work. A Ph.D. does signify to me that the person is
reasonably intelligent. Can work hard. Is dedicated. Probably quite
willing to learn etc etc.
That does not mean that the person without one lacks these qualities but
the person with the Ph.D. has the score on the board so to speak.
Phil Moody
> AHA! so you're the Flash! :>
PLM: I wouldn't know. The event I was referring to happened in 1966, to the
best of my recollection.
Cheers,
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "norenxaq" <nore...@san.rr.com>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
D. Spencer Hines
However, he thinks it's cute and clever to continue his little tap
dance ---- a very badly executed buck and weave.
A Stultifyingly Stupid Sottise Indeed...
But Douglas Richardson has a long track record of ignoring Good Advice
and listening to Bad Advice.
It seems to be something in his character ---- the Peck's Bad Boy of the
sixth grade ---- or whatever.
I imagine he's not happy at all to have been passed over yet again ----
twice ---- for the honour of becoming a Fellow of the American Society
of Genealogists [F.A.S.G.]
At this rate, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hades of ever being
able to add the coveted post-nomials F.A.S.G. after his name ---- so he
traipses along, ragamuffin style, with the B.A. and M.A. folderol, with
which he has regaled us.
He knows that if he were an FASG his marketability would be markedly
increased and he would draw a better grade of client, as well as more of
them ---- and be able to charge higher fees.
Further, it still sticks in his craw that Paul Reed was elected to be
one of the honoured 50 several years ago and Douglas was not.
Anger, Envy and a Twisted Character ---- amalgamated with an apparently
quite limited intelligence and a paucity of True Genealogical Talent can
do strange things to a man ---- as we are seeing ---- very nasty things.
This PA3 effort may yet prove to be Douglas Richardson's Waterloo. But
we shall see ---- let's give him enough rope to hang himself ---- he
seems quite willing to scarf it up and plead for more.
His book will, of course, be subjected to the functional equivalent of a
maximum-security-prison full-body search of all cavities ---- on a
meticulous scale ---- because he has created so much hype over it.
If the book proves to be littered with errors and omissions ---- as well
as unresearched citations ---- as we suspect in the case of
_Instrumenta_ ---- he will indeed have a very heavy price to pay ----
and a further shattering of his reputation will follow.
I WANT Douglas to succeed ---- and I have told him that on many
occasions. But he is decidedly going about it the wrong way.
Deus Vult.
"It may be said that, thanks to the 'clercs', humanity did evil for two
thousand years, but honoured good. This contradiction was an honour to
the human species, and formed the rift whereby civilisation slipped into
the world." "La Trahison des clercs" [The Treason of the Intellectuals]
(1927) Julien Benda (1867-1956)
Ubique Quo Fas Et Gloria Ducunt --- Motto of the Royal Artillery
All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly. All original
material contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It
may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution
to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly given, in
writing.
------------------
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
"Reedpcgen" <reed...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021017041148...@mb-fc.aol.com...
Stewart, Peter
> From: Chris Phillips [mailto:c...@medievalgenealogy.org.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2002 19:56
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Instrumenta
>
>
>
I also meant no such disparagement, in critical remarks addressed the other
day to a particular puffer of his own degrees.
Anyone who has spent time in a university will be aware that many wise
people pass through, as undergraduates and post-graduate students, or stay
for part or all of their working lives, dedicating themselves in honest,
collegial work to analyze and interpret data in their chosen fields and
increase the sum of knowledge.
Kay Allen is one who demonstrates in her professional life the value and the
ideals of higher education, and of the sound common sense she brought to it
in the first place.
On the other hand, anyone who observes the academic world can see that many
fools and charlatans get hold of degrees aplenty. You can know them easily
enough by their output: the disipline of achieving degrees is no lifelong
guarantee in itself that any subsequent work will be worthwhile or deserving
respect, from experts or from the general reading public.
And for that matter, a university career isn't nowadays even a sure sign of
average intelligence. Today someone wrote from an e-mail address at
scs.uiuc.edu asking for an explanation of the word "colour". This person is
either astonishingly ignorant of the spelling conventions in much of the
academic world he apparently inhabits, or incapable of rudimentary humour
[sic].
Peter Stewart
Douglas Richardson
Dear Doug ~
Perhaps you might pose this question better to D. Spencer Hines. As
you can see below from the Newsgroup Archives, he uses the word colour
rather frequently, so Mr. Hines clearly knows the meaning of the word.
I was careful transcribing the Archives, as Peter Stewart and Mr.
Hines have both stated they don't like to be misquoted.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Re: Response to D. Spencer Hines
Harold's "Different Coloured Tights"
... episode, replete with a change in the colour of his hose ... his
requisite homework ----
but not Ansero. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas "The
...
soc.history.medieval - Apr. 23, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(6 articles)
Re: The Organ Grinder's Monkeys
... Capital, Watson! Now, my paint colour is red and yours is fuchsia!
The game's afoot
and it's your shot, Watson." -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et
Libertas ...
soc.history.medieval - Dec. 30, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(9 articles)
Re: The Prefix _Fitz_
... be a horse of a different colour. The bottom line is to
investigate ... expressly given,
in writing. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Oct. 1, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (1 article)
Re: Reed, Hines & Scot's Peerage
... is a horse of a different colour ---- sometimes he is a chameleon
---- a ... Probat.
Fortem Posce Animum. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas
...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Jul. 26, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (13 articles)
Re: Online Databases, was : Ancestry of Gunnor
... ignore the colour-coding, fill in the blanks and use the flakey
data anyway. Result:
More raw sewage in the genealogical stream. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et
...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Mar. 14, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (9 articles)
Re: Geordies [Was: Royal right]
... He'll salivate in crimson [Harvard's colour]. If the Washingtons
were indeed ... of Northumberland
and Dunbar. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Jan. 31, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (9 articles)
Re: Spelling Genealogical Names
... is worth the price just to have a colour copy of the 1843 Franz v
... which shoot themselves
in the foot. D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas Exitus Acta Probat ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Jun. 28, 1999 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (26 articles)
Re: Cahokia: Extraordinary.
... get ahead in life, regardless of the colour of their skin. And a
good ... economic policy
that they pursue. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas ...
soc.history.medieval - Jul. 21, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(137 articles)
Re: Mel Gibson's _Braveheart_
... that left-handed, lesbian women of colour are SUPPOSED to work
from, accept ... Veni,
Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et
Libertas ...
soc.culture.scottish - Jul. 22, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(237 articles)
Re: Joan Knowght
... yellow or brownish-yellow in colour. Deus Vult. "The TV business
is a ... expressly given,
in writing. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Feb. 9, 2002 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (19 articles)
Re: Joan, The Fair Maid Of Kent [Was: Joan Holland]
... little things like that ---- hair colour and temperament. _Au
contraire_, Hines ... given,
in writing. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et ...
soc.history.medieval - Aug. 3, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(47 articles)
Re: HP - convention for gender
... expressly given, in writing. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas
et Libertas ... you use some sort of colour-coding for names to
illustrate ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Aug. 3, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (8 articles)
Re: William Shakespeare's Grammar School Education
... short sentences, lots of pictures and colour. My pet goose will
feel ... expressly given,
in writing. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Apr. 26, 2002 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (6 articles)
Re: Richard II - mtDNA
... his death, probably because of the colour of his armour ---- is
the ... expressly given,
in writing. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Feb. 5, 2002 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (14 articles)
Re: Peer Review
... a horse of an entirely different colour. *That's* where we should
focus our ... expressly
given, in writing. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Oct. 15, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (16 articles)
The Fourth Crusade
... victims" and many are "people of colour" as well, a twofer. Gans,
our ... Deus Vult. Exitus
Acta Probat. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas "Most ...
soc.history.medieval - May. 12, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(2 articles)
Re: Brave New World
The problem with these various colour-coding schemes, et al., is that
people ... doesn't
work that way. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas "The ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Mar. 13, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (22 articles)
Re: The High Price of Low Standards
... such folks and bite them in the derriere ---- whatever colour
underwear they prefer.
How Sweet It Is! -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas "The
final ...
soc.history.medieval - Jan. 4, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(6 articles)
Re: Carmen 1999
... other ---- particularly academic frauds ---- protective colour
amongst the avians,
I suppose ... God Rest Their Souls. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas
et ...
soc.history.medieval - Nov. 25, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(13 articles)
Re: Genetic Genealogy Opinions?
... of European Maternal Ancestry_, in full colour, from a Real Oxford
Professor ... Yet
another Academic Scam? -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas
...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Aug. 12, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (34 articles)
Re: Valois Rights
... Yapper" ---- there is an excellent full-colour portrait and brief
description of
him ... Me ke aloha pumehana, -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et
Libertas ...
soc.history.medieval - Jul. 1, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(30 articles)
Re: Europe's Breakout
... investigation. Today, many people of colour condemn the whites of
Europe for ... that".
Exitus Acta Probat. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas ...
soc.history.medieval - Mar. 11, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(10 articles)
Re: Jim Bradbury and the Battle of Hastings
... and well-structured book. Good paper, colour prints, maps ----
thorough. Hardback,
of course ... be quite arrogant for D. Spencer Hines to limn or sketch
the ...
soc.history.medieval - Mar. 25, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(24 articles)
Re: For Want of Mouse (Was for Want of a Nail)
... in 1996." Aloha, Spencer Hines -- D. Spencer Hines --- "Much have
I traveled in
the ... Nice clean copy, full of colour, well written, worth a high
mark ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Sep. 4, 1999 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (4 articles)
Re: Brownes Of London ---- Et Alios/Alii
... The Department of Textile Industries and Colour Chemistry and
Dyeing in Leeds ... given,
in writing. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Nov. 23, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (17 articles)
Re: Best book on Bayeaux Tapestry +1
... Vires et Honor "D. Spencer Hines" wrote: Hi all If ... t actually
read again Hines? One
word: Melchizedek. Over ... The Complete Tapestry in Colour'. It's out
of print ...
soc.history.medieval - Mar. 5, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(24 articles)
Re: "Of the First Water..."
... call it 'British'? Cheers, Spencer -- D. Spencer Hines --- Leo
Tolstoy On Firmly
Held ... derivation of this expression? The colour or lustre of a
diamond is ...
soc.history.medieval - Jun. 3, 1999 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(3 articles)
Re: _"Artifacting"_
... expressly given, in writing. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas
et
Libertas ... film to video transfers (colour bleeding, edge
enhancement or ...
rec.video.dvd.tech - Jul. 19, 2002 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(2 articles)
Re: Baron Otto Karl von Rosen
Thank you kindly. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires
et Honor. No. Neither colour of the Rosens. Subject: Re: Baron Otto
Karl von ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Oct. 25, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (6 articles)
Re: An Arundel Tomb?
... given, in writing. Vires et Honor D. Spencer Hines Could you
please describe the
setting ... a new table tomb. There is no colour [US color] left in
the tomb ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Mar. 27, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (14 articles)
Re: Tidying up indented posts.
... you have a damned good point. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas
et Libertas "Much ... show
quoted text in a different colour but relies on the indent marks ...
soc.history.medieval - Jun. 27, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(7 articles)
Re: A. Weir on Richard III Controversy
... Edward VIII? I rest my case. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et
Libertas "The
proper ... worth the few months wait; the colour is very good indeed
and I ...
soc.history.medieval - Jul. 13, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(25 articles)
Re: Concept of Sin
... with stories about venal clerics. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et
Veritas et Libertas ... relevant
here except where they colour our own views. --- Tony Jebson
soc.history.medieval - Mar. 7, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(75 articles)
Re: Effects of Stamford Bridge on Hastings
... on the edge of the wooded area. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas
et Libertas "There ... in
the area and these certainly colour some of the surface water. I ...
soc.history.medieval - Nov. 3, 1999 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(44 articles)
Re: Genealogy vs history
... buff or other coats and breeches, with colour in their cheeks,
with passions in ... the
heart and the soul? D. Spencer Hines---"I must study politics and war
...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Jan. 20, 1997 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (4 articles)
The Round Table
... CRAIG, CLIVE WAINWRIGHT and JILL WALKER 32 colour and 105 b/w
illus.; 288pp ... www.boydell.co.uk/CAT.HTM
-- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas "The ...
alt.history.british - Sep. 13, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(1 article)
Re: On Robertson, Ref: Fergus of Galloway
... striking oil or natural gas. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et
Libertas "To be ... the
ability to reduce the background colour. This worked well on 6 of ...
soc.genealogy.medieval - Mar. 14, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View
Thread (6 articles)
Re: West Losing It --- Tutorial For Him & Chemist
... He's also mangier and a different colour. Whereas you are a
brilliant white, he is ... Just
you and me pal. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas "I ...
alt.english.usage - Dec. 14, 1999 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread (9
articles)
Aloha Once Again!
... Okay, cotton this item is, the colour white the waistband is of
the ... expressly given,
in writing. ---- D Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires ...
soc.history.medieval - Aug. 4, 2002 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(19 articles)
Re: Barley Hall (was Re: Medieval history ng)
... a good post. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et ... underneath
a Marks and Spencer's
or Macdonald's ... I'm ... great hall have changed colour because of
the effect ...
soc.history.medieval - Feb. 12, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(7 articles)
Re: Home Page Is Unchangeable
... that you can only have one colour of automobile ----- black. 3.
General ... Baloney.
6. Loony. Farblondjet. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas
...
microsoft.public.msn.discussion - Jun. 13, 2001 by D. Spencer Hines -
View Thread (24 articles)
Re: Battles At Night
... the White House draperies right now and picking her colour schemes
with the interior
decorators. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas "Much have
I ...
alt.history.british - Oct. 13, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(92 articles)
Re: Caldbec Hill
... excellent paper, many quality photographs and colour plates. I
hope he makes a ... We
may never know for sure. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et
Libertas ...
alt.history.british - Sep. 18, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(2 articles)
Re: Cocoa Cabana
... any bon vivant knows ---- is a swizzle stick of an entirely
different colour. --
D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas "Walk with the Gods. And
he does ...
alt.usage.english - May. 30, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread (9
articles)
Re: Farthing a British coin, how much it is worth?
... brightly painted. Look at those colour charts the next time you
visit an optometrist
or ophthalmologist. Aloha, -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et
Libertas ...
alt.usage.english - Mar. 6, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(123 articles)
Re: Help!! Edward IV help!!
... in the frame of your paper with colour. Eschew "Help!!" or even
"help!!" in ... is due
on Monday. Aloha, -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas "You
...
alt.history.what-if - Jan. 28, 2000 by D. Spencer Hines - View Thread
(9 articles)
Re: Anything Medieval
... expressly given, in writing. ---- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas
et Libertas ... systems.
There's a very nice colour coded schematic that survives (I ...
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(296 articles)
Re: My Interests in SHM
... Sweet It Is! Deus Vult. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et
Libertas "The ... commonly
I find myself using honour, colour and theatre and then having to go
...
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Re: Direct descent vs. the other kind
... Great-Grandparent. And so forth... -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et
Veritas et Libertas ... even
then that information is just colour to the pedigree, unless there ...
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Thread (39 articles)
Re: Hastings Malfosse Correction
... what he is talking about. -- D. Spencer Hines Well it is certainly
true that there
is variation in minor details such as sock colour. However the BT
tells a ...
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(63 articles)
Re: US 'stole credit for cracking Pacific war code'
... Probat. Britannicus Traductus Sum. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et
Veritas et Libertas ... is
currently saving the world, to colour ahb again. Everyone else pails
...
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Re: Elizabeth (film)
... the public would be "confused?" -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas
et Libertas "The ... fifties)
it is a yellow green colour. This glaring innacuracy used to ...
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Re: [OT] British vs. American Spellings
... and test them out? QED. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et
Libertas "Much ... American
English. Just try using 'colour' instead of 'color' in programming ...
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Re: "Contrafactual" and "What-If" History
... social, political and economic tracts. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et
Veritas et Libertas
Voiceover ... put in a few nice colour pictures of castles or
paintings ...
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... referees wear orange throughout the league? -- D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et
Libertas "I ... Blackpool, but they refer to their colour as
"tangerine".
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Re: Charlemagne's Height
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Veritas et Libertas
"There was ... bet we don't know what colour shoes he preferred...? I
don't ...
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Stewart, Peter
> news:<3DAEBEF7...@scs.uiuc.edu>...
> > "Stewart, Peter" wrote:
> > >
> > > What colour is the sky in your world?
> >
> > What? what is "colour"? Could you explain?
> >
> > Doug McDonald
>
> Dear Doug ~
>
> Perhaps you might pose this question better to D. Spencer Hines. As
> you can see below from the Newsgroup Archives, he uses the word colour
> rather frequently, so Mr. Hines clearly knows the meaning of the word.
> I was careful transcribing the Archives, as Peter Stewart and Mr.
> Hines have both stated they don't like to be misquoted.
Can there be two people named Douglas prepared to expose that they entertain
ideas so crude and foolish?
It never occurred to me that the gentleman questioning "colour" supposed
this was a sophisticated analysis of prose, but it doesn't surprise that Mr
Richardson thinks so - it would take some actual reading practice to pick up
the elementary pointers.
Perhaps people who now have changed their mind about buying his forthcoming
book will make a small donation to a literacy charity instead.
Peter Stewart
Kay Allen AG
When I wrote, it was not personal. It was just a note to say that not all MAs
are "free", some have to be worked for. It was just informational. No axes
being ground :-)
I have never had the pleasure of going for an MA or earning one. I have never
had the time, money, and energy all together at the same time. As it is, it
took me 11 years, one husband, and four sons to complete my BA, because my
husband put me through when my parents bailed out of paying for either UCLA or
Cal to which I had been accepted before our marriage. And it was much cheaper
then, too.
But, thank you very much for the kind words, Peter.
K
D. Spencer Hines
sign of average intelligence. Today someone wrote from an e-mail
address at scs.uiuc.edu asking for an explanation of the word "colour".
This person is either astonishingly ignorant of the spelling conventions
in much of the academic world he apparently inhabits, or incapable of
rudimentary humour [sic]."
Peter Stewart
--------------------------
Classic!
Deus Vult.
"It may be said that, thanks to the 'clercs', humanity did evil for two
thousand years, but honoured good. This contradiction was an honour to
the human species, and formed the rift whereby civilisation slipped into
the world." "La Trahison des clercs" [The Treason of the Intellectuals]
(1927) Julien Benda (1867-1956)
Ubique Quo Fas Et Gloria Ducunt --- Motto of the Royal Artillery
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Douglas Richardson
<ONE GIANT SNIP>
> I WANT Douglas to succeed ---- and I have told him that on many
> occasions. But he is decidedly going about it the wrong way.
>
Thank you for your kind wishes on success. Your continued support
means a lot to me.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
Phil Moody
> Anyone who has spent time in a university will be aware that many wise
> people pass through, as undergraduates and post-graduate students, or stay
> for part or all of their working lives, dedicating themselves in honest,
> collegial work to analyze and interpret data in their chosen fields and
> increase the sum of knowledge.
PLM: Am I supposed to view these remarks with any credibility; when they are
written by someone who is to ashamed of his own educational background to
even tell us what School he graduated from? You have not established that
you are qualified to express an opinion on what the higher educational
system is, or is not.
> On the other hand, anyone who observes the academic world can see that
many
> fools and charlatans get hold of degrees aplenty. You can know them easily
> enough by their output: the disipline [sic] of achieving degrees is no
lifelong
> guarantee in itself that any subsequent work will be worthwhile or
deserving
> respect, from experts or from the general reading public.
PLM: May I infer that your refusal to name your publications, means that you
are one of these fools or charlatans, and that you fear exposing yourself?
> And for that matter, a university career isn't nowadays even a sure sign
of
> average intelligence. Today someone wrote from an e-mail address at
> scs.uiuc.edu asking for an explanation of the word "colour". This person
is
> either astonishingly ignorant of the spelling conventions in much of the
> academic world he apparently inhabits, or incapable of rudimentary humour
> [sic].
PLM: You are the one devoid of humor, because the remark was OBVIOUSLY meant
as a jest. How presumptuous of you to assert that "colour" is the proper way
to spell the word, merely because it is spelled that way in "much of the
academic world." This spelling of "colour" was forced on "much of the
academic world" only by the yoke of the so called British Empire, and as
anyone with a lick of common sense surely knows, "might does not equal
right."
We Americans know how to spell "color", and it is only the anglophile
sycophants who are ashamed of their American heritage, who choose to spell
it "colour." Whilst I'm on the subject, will you now be asserting that we
Yanks give up the word "while"?
Cheers,
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Peter" <Peter....@crsrehab.gov.au>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: Instrumenta
Stewart, Peter
> From: Phil Moody [mailto:moody...@cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, 18 October 2002 15:38
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Instrumenta
>
> way to spell the word, merely because it is spelled that way in
> "much of the academic world."
I didn't say this, of course, any more than the other nonsense you have
twisted and warped in the snipped material. "Color" is perfectly correct -
even a few of my fellow Australians prefer it that way, although most follow
with insouciance what they were taught in primary school. Americans sensibly
do the same.
Just for the record, I do not make a habit of correcting anyone's spelling
of anything at all, except in one thread the copyright proper name of
"Encyclopaedia Britannica". Spelling is not an interest of mine, nor is it a
skill I care much for in others. Comprehension is what counts, and is so
pitifully lacking in your post.
Peter Stewart
Phil Moody
> > I have seen the comparison of unique vocabulary; which Peter
> > and Hines both share, and they are not common words that any
> > other posters use; so Doug's suspicions are not unwarranted.
>
> English vocabulary is the common heritage of Britons, North Americans and
> Australians, and I'm not aware of any words posted here that can be
thought
> "unique" to one person, much less two.
>
> What colour is the sky in your world? On my home planet it is blue, and in
> my own part of Earth, Australia, we have native birds called cockatoos
that
> are adept at imitating speech. I have never encountered one, including
> specimens stuffed in museums, that wasn't bright and discriminating enough
> to see through this latest rot from Douglas Richardson.
>
> Peter Stewart
PLM: I see you and Hines both share a basic lack of "comprehension." I have
taken the liberty to post your e-mail in it's entirety; just to be sure
everyone can see what I wrote, and what your response was. Everyone please
note, I wrote "NOT COMMON", and Peter used the example of "BLUE"; which is
as common as our vocabulary can be. Now, either Peter did not COMPREHEND
what I said, or he needs to return to the museum, for some more tutelage
from those cockatoos.
When I say "not common", I'm referring to words like "scintillating." A
rudimentary search of the Gen-Medieval archives turned up these results for
the word "scintillating."
1995: used not once.
1996: used only once by DSH.
1997: used not once.
1998: used not once.
1999: used twice by DSH.
2000: used once by DSH.
2001: used once by DSH.
2002: used once by Peter Stewart.
So, in the past seven years this news group has been archived, the word
"scintillating" has only been used by you and D. Spencer Hines. That is what
I mean by "not common", and not the bloody word Blue, you twit.
Cheers,
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Peter" <Peter....@crsrehab.gov.au>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: Instrumenta
Stewart, Peter
something received by Americans and Australians alike: NOT something
"everyday", which is another meaning of "common" that Phil Moody needs to
look up in his dictionary (assuming he owns one and can actually use it).
And then perhaps he will stop wasting everyone's time with hysterical &
ignorant blathering.
Peter Stewart
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Moody [mailto:moody...@cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, 18 October 2002 16:29
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Instrumenta
>
>
R. Battle
<snip>
> When I say "not common", I'm referring to words like "scintillating." A
> rudimentary search of the Gen-Medieval archives turned up these results for
> the word "scintillating."
>
> 1995: used not once.
> 1996: used only once by DSH.
> 1997: used not once.
> 1998: used not once.
> 1999: used twice by DSH.
> 2000: used once by DSH.
> 2001: used once by DSH.
> 2002: used once by Peter Stewart.
>
> So, in the past seven years this news group has been archived, the word
> "scintillating" has only been used by you and D. Spencer Hines. That is what
> I mean by "not common", and not the bloody word Blue, you twit.
<snip>
An emendation is now in order:
2002: used once by Peter Stewart, used three times by Phil Moody (or once,
if you mean the number of posts).
I guess this means that Phil Moody, Peter Stewart, and D. Spencer Hines
are all the same person. ;-)
Seriously, the fact that no one (including Messrs. Stewart and Hines the
vast majority of the time) used the word "scintillating" in a newsgroup
officially dedicated to medieval genealogy is hardly surprising.
(Uh-oh--now I've used it once; this sock puppet is starting to look like a
glove!) If the word was an unusual *misspelling* or something
like that (i.e., something that someone with a moderate vocabulary and/or
access to a dictionary or thesaurus wouldn't normally duplicate), that
would be a different story (say, perhaps, "P.h.D." [sic]).
-Robert Battle
Reedpcgen
multiple unique items in the same post (especially if they had a history of it,
such as Nemyetski and Zorro). For instance:
From: Uriah N Owen (U_N_...@pobox.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Margaret de Clare's Dower
Date: 2002-06-28 12:21:07 PST
[snip] "Professor Scott l. Waugh is the Dean of Social Sciences, College of
Letters & Science, AND, has his P.h.D. from the University of London, 1975."
[snip]
From: Robert Todd (tar...@idirect.com)
Subject: Joan Gaveston's betrothal to Thomas Wake, Part 4
Date: 2002-07-07 21:53:05 PST
[snip] "The only solution that answers the question was researched by Professor
Scott Waugh, P.h.D., Dean of Social Sciences, College of Letters & Science,
when he stated " [snip]
<G>
Doug McDonald
"Stewart, Peter" wrote:
>
>
> And for that matter, a university career isn't nowadays even a sure sign of
> average intelligence. Today someone wrote from an e-mail address at
> scs.uiuc.edu asking for an explanation of the word "colour". This person is
> either astonishingly ignorant of the spelling conventions in much of the
> academic world he apparently inhabits, or incapable of rudimentary humour
> [sic].
>
My dear peter .... I was engaging in gross humor [sic].
What's worse, the BBC can't pronounce "schedule" correctly. :-)
Doug
Phil Moody
> This is idiotic - when I said "common heritage" I meant just that -
> something received by Americans and Australians alike: NOT something
> "everyday", which is another meaning of "common" that Phil Moody needs to
> look up in his dictionary (assuming he owns one and can actually use it).
PLM: It is "common knowledge" that the English language has a "common
heritage"; so you inadequately addressed my statement by suggesting that
there was nothing unusual in you and Hines sharing a common word.
There were 87,491 e-mail as of 2001 in the archives searched, and Hines
is the only person to use the word "scintillating", which he used on 5
separate occasions. There are over 101,000 e-mails as of 2002, and you are
the only additional person who had used the word "scintillating", prior to
my post last night.
There are some very well educated people in this forum, with extremely
robust vocabularies, and I find it most unusual that you and Hines are the
only individuals to use "scintillating" in more than 101,000 e-mails, in the
usual course of your "repartee."
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Peter" <Peter....@crsrehab.gov.au>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:33 AM
Subject: RE: Instrumenta
Tim Powys-Lybbe
Peter....@crsrehab.gov.au ("Stewart, Peter") wrote:
> I didn't say this, of course, any more than the other nonsense you have
> twisted and warped in the snipped material. "Color" is perfectly correct -
> even a few of my fellow Australians prefer it that way, although most follow
> with insouciance what they were taught in primary school. Americans sensibly
> do the same.
I have a manuscript, ie handwritten, of English military standing orders
from before 1780. In it the word we now know as "colour" is universally
spelt "color". This indicates that the English change occurred in the
late 18th century and that the various other nationalities are
cororectly following the original spelling of this word.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org
D. Spencer Hines
There was no standard spelling in England "from before 1780"
[stultifyingly imprecise] any more than there was in America ---- so
your example is a _non sequitur_ ---- and totally worthless.
Further, you look incredibly ridiculous when you misspell _correctly_
infra ---- and don't know how to write _i.e.,_ either.
Bottom Line:
Both _colour_ and _color_ are correct in 2002. Take your choice.
Deus Vult.
"It may be said that, thanks to the 'clercs', humanity did evil for two
thousand years, but honoured good. This contradiction was an honour to
the human species, and formed the rift whereby civilisation slipped into
the world." "La Trahison des clercs" [The Treason of the Intellectuals]
(1927) Julien Benda (1867-1956)
Ubique Quo Fas Et Gloria Ducunt --- Motto of the Royal Artillery
All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly. All original
material contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It
may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution
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writing.
------------------
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
"Tim Powys-Lybbe" <t...@powys.org> wrote in message
news:7466838...@southfrm.demon.co.uk...
| In message
<BE9CF8DEAB7ED311B05E...@v003138e.crsrehab.gov.au>
| Peter....@crsrehab.gov.au ("Stewart, Peter") wrote:
|
| > I didn't say this, of course, any more than the other nonsense you
have
| > twisted and warped in the snipped material. "Color" is perfectly
correct -
| > even a few of my fellow Australians prefer it that way, although
most follow
| > with insouciance what they were taught in primary school. Americans
sensibly
| > do the same.
|
| I have a manuscript, ie [sic] handwritten, of English military
standing orders
| from before 1780. In it the word we now know as "colour" is
universally
| spelt "color". This indicates that the English change occurred in the
| late 18th century and that the various other nationalities are
| cororectly [sic] following the original spelling of this word.
Renia
in the 18th century, colour was spelt color in handwritten documents, as
were other words ending in -our. However, my Guthrie's Geography,
printed 1789 (not a reprint) spelt colour and labour. Presumably this
printed work attempted some kind of standardisation.
It's a minefield.
Renia
ADRIANC...@aol.com
> In message <
> BE9CF8DEAB7ED311B05E...@v003138e.crsrehab.gov.au>
> Peter....@crsrehab.gov.au ("Stewart, Peter") wrote:
>
> > I didn't say this, of course, any more than the other nonsense you have
> > twisted and warped in the snipped material. "Color" is perfectly correct
> -
> > even a few of my fellow Australians prefer it that way, although most
> follow
> > with insouciance what they were taught in primary school. Americans
> sensibly
> > do the same.
>
> I have a manuscript, ie handwritten, of English military standing orders
> from before 1780. In it the word we now know as "colour" is universally
> spelt "color". This indicates that the English change occurred in the
> late 18th century and that the various other nationalities are
> cororectly following the original spelling of this word.
>
> --
> Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
> For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org
>
>
Now what about: ardour, candour, clamour, dolour, favour, fervour, honour,
labour, odour, rancour, rigour, rumour, savour, splendour tumour, valour and
vigour? I understand all these are "or" in US :-)
Adrian
GRHa...@aol.com
ADRIANC...@aol.com writes:
> Now what about: ardour, candour, clamour, dolour, favour, fervour, honour,
> labour, odour, rancour, rigour, rumour, savour, splendour tumour, valour
> and
> vigour? I understand all these are "or" in US :-)
>
> Adrian
>
>
No hay de que! It is merely picking of nits. That is what makes Britain and
the U.S. such great allies; their differences.
Gordon Hale
Tim Powys-Lybbe
ADRIANC...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 18/10/02 23:04:46 GMT Daylight Time, t...@powys.org writes:
>
>
> > In message <
> > BE9CF8DEAB7ED311B05E...@v003138e.crsrehab.gov.au>
> > Peter....@crsrehab.gov.au ("Stewart, Peter") wrote:
> >
> > > I didn't say this, of course, any more than the other nonsense you have
> > > twisted and warped in the snipped material. "Color" is perfectly correct
> > > - even a few of my fellow Australians prefer it that way, although most
> > > follow with insouciance what they were taught in primary school.
> > > Americans sensibly do the same.
> >
> > I have a manuscript, ie handwritten, of English military standing orders
> > from before 1780. In it the word we now know as "colour" is universally
> > spelt "color". This indicates that the English change occurred in the
> > late 18th century and that the various other nationalities are
> > correctly following the original spelling of this word.
>
> Now what about: ardour, candour, clamour, dolour, favour, fervour, honour,
> labour, odour, rancour, rigour, rumour, savour, splendour tumour, valour and
> vigour? I understand all these are "or" in US :-)
I found one example of "favour" and one of "rigour", the other words not
being used, that I could find, in these standing orders. I did find
"behaviour" twice. But I also found countless examples of the use of
"center" instead of current English usage of "centre".
And the most fashionable instruction was perhaps: "Officers to wear
their Hair queued when upon duty", in pigtails that is.