I was compiling the ancestry of Sam Walton of wal-Marts stores today. Coincidently, he is a cousin of George Lucas, whoes liniage I posted yesterday. Agains. I would be greatful if someone could try looking up the line from Louis Du Bois to Jean de Lannoy.
Sam Walson is also a cousin of President Bush, though Abraham and Mary Field of Culpeper co., Virginia.
Here is the line:
1 Jean de Lannoy b. _____ d. 1525 m. Philippe de Planes 2 Claude de Lannoy m. Charles Du Bois 3 Eustache Du Bois m. Gille de Renel 4 Guislan de Fiennes Du Bois m. Jeanne de Longueville 5 Marc de Fiennes Du Bois m. Madelaine d'Ognies 6 Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Catharine Cecil Germend 7 Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Louise Charlotte d'Etamps 8 Charles Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Henrietta de Reignier de Boisleau 9 Chretien Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois 10 Louis Du Bois b. _____ d. 1696 m. Catherine Blansha d. 1713 11 Sara Du Bois b. _____ d. 1726 m. Joost Janz Van Meteren b. 1656 d. 1705 12 Rebecca Van Meter b. 1686 d. 1756 m. Cornelius Eltinge b. 1681 d. 1754 13 Sarah Eltinge b. 1715 m. John Hite b. 1710 d. 1792 14 Rebecca Hite b. 1740 d. 1785 m. Maj. Charles Smith b. 1726 d. 1776 15 John Smith b. _____ d. ABT 1805 m. Sarah Mallory d. 1860 16 Rebecca Hite Smith b. 1784 d. 1854 m. William Moore b. 1777 d. 1822 17 Rebecca Moore b. 1813 m. Reuben Lawrence b. 1803 18 Reuben Moore Lawrence b. 1854 d. 1929 m. Mary Ellen James b. 1856 d. 1935 19 Nancy Lee Lawrence b. 1897 d. 1950 m. Thomas Gibson Walton b. JUN 1892 d. 1984 20 Samuel Moore Walton b. 29 Mar 1918 d. 5 Apr 1992
The generations 1 to 10 are given as fact in Colonial familes of the US and two other books I have, but i'm not 100% sure.
14 Rebecca Hite b. 1740 d. 1785 m. Maj. Charles Smith b. 1726 d. 1776 15 John Smith b. _____ d. ABT 1805 m. Sarah Mallory d. 1860
This connection is suspect. The idea that no information about a "John Smith"'s birth could be tenable with exact dates on his parents is suspicious. Added to that, the idea a couple's daughter-in-law died 84 and 75 years after they did, while not impossible, is unlikely.
I would suggest that this John Smith who married Sarah Mallory might be a different person from the John Smith son of Charles Smith, and the John Smith who d abt 1805 as well.
I'm sure in whatever area he lived there were probably quite a few John Smith. My two cents. Will Johnson
Then again, if (15) John and Sarah Smith named their daughter (16) Rebecca Hite Smith is this not indicative of a link to (14) Rebecca Hite married Charles Smith?
The couple of places I found dates for John Smith gave his birthdate as about 1757 to 1760. They didn't have sources attached, so the relliability may be questionable.
Then again, if (15) John and Sarah Smith named their daughter (16) Rebecca Hite Smith is this not indicative of a link to (14) Rebecca Hite married Charles Smith?
That big if of course is reliant on the proof that her middle name was Hite. Mere repetition in published sources doesn't prove anything. At some point, if a primary source appear that states her middle name AND another primary source appears that states the maiden name of the wife of Charles Smith AND another primary source appears that makes them daughter and mother, then it would be sufficient.
At the moment it's conjectural and suspect. There appears to be at least one generation if not two missing. Will Johnson
> In a message dated 9/11/2005 2:37:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, > mj...@btinternet.com writes:
> Then again, if (15) John and Sarah Smith named their daughter (16) > Rebecca Hite Smith is this not indicative of a link to (14) Rebecca > Hite married Charles Smith?
> That big if of course is reliant on the proof that her middle name was Hite. > Mere repetition in published sources doesn't prove anything. At some point, > if a primary source appear that states her middle name AND another primary > source appears that states the maiden name of the wife of Charles Smith AND > another primary source appears that makes them daughter and mother, then it > would be sufficient.
Just to amplify this with a real-life example, the elder son of America Rev. War Gen. Ethan Allen by his second wife, widow Frances Buchanan, is named Hannibal Montresor Allen in the official genealogy printed by the Allen Family Trust, as well as in a range of other biographical compendia. This has been used as supporting evidence that the mother's maiden name was Frances Montresor, as had been claimed by the family. However, the records of the U.S. Military Academy and of the U.S. Army clearly indicate that the son was actually named Hannibal _Montesque_ Allen, and it was only 'corrected' to Hannibal _Montresor_ after the hypothesis that his mother was a Montresor gained general acceptance. To add insult to injury, at least one author then simply substituted Montesque for Montresor as the mother's maiden name without realizing that the name was not based on an inherited interest at all - it reflects the self-image of the father as military leader and philosopher (in the latter role, he wrote a book, _Reason: the Only Oracle of Man_ that was first boycotted, then most surviving copies were burned in a housefire at the printer's, a fire popularly attributed at the time to the retribution of an angry deity, but blamed on spontaneous combustion by the teenage housemaid who discovered it, a not unlikely cause in a hot and leaky attick full of old newspapers, particularly if one dismisses as coincidence the fact that the maid's brother was sent up the river for arson about that time: but I digress).
As Will points out, one must be careful not to fall for a circular argument - that a middle name assumed without proper evidence based on the hypothisized descent is not then used as evidence for that descent.
"David" <rarereac...@88.am> wrote: > I was compiling the ancestry of Sam Walton of wal-Marts stores today. > Coincidently, he is a cousin of George Lucas, whoes liniage I posted > yesterday. Agains. I would be greatful if someone could try looking up > the line from Louis Du Bois to Jean de Lannoy.
> Sam Walson is also a cousin of President Bush, though Abraham and Mary > Field of Culpeper co., Virginia.
> Here is the line:
> 1 Jean de Lannoy b. _____ d. 1525 m. Philippe de Planes > 2 Claude de Lannoy m. Charles Du Bois > 3 Eustache Du Bois m. Gille de Renel > 4 Guislan de Fiennes Du Bois m. Jeanne de Longueville > 5 Marc de Fiennes Du Bois m. Madelaine d'Ognies > 6 Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Catharine Cecil Germend > 7 Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Louise Charlotte d'Etamps > 8 Charles Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Henrietta de Reignier de > Boisleau > 9 Chretien Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois > 10 Louis Du Bois b. _____ d. 1696 m. Catherine Blansha d. 1713 > 11 Sara Du Bois b. _____ d. 1726 m. Joost Janz Van Meteren b. 1656 d. > 1705 > 12 Rebecca Van Meter b. 1686 d. 1756 m. Cornelius Eltinge b. 1681 d. > 1754 > 13 Sarah Eltinge b. 1715 m. John Hite b. 1710 d. 1792 > 14 Rebecca Hite b. 1740 d. 1785 m. Maj. Charles Smith b. 1726 d. 1776
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I just noticed this in replies and discussion. A brother of my agnate (Taylor) ancestor married a sister of no. 14 (they are Simon^4 Taylor, 1728-1796, of North Farnham Virginia and Hampshire County, West Virginia, and Anna Maria Hite, 1738-; they had six children). I would be interested in what is known of the ancestry and connections of the Hites, Eltinges, Van Meters, and Dubois. I am aware that there is an active Hite family association. What are the best published compiled sources on these Van Meter and DuBois (and Lannoy) families, and especially of the career and ancestry of this DuBois gateway?
I have traced three or four agnate (Taylor) generations of their descendants in my compiled genealogy of my Taylor family, at:
Anna Maria Hite daughter of Joist and Anne Maria Merckle? Anne Maria Merckle has sister name Anna Veronica (Markeley) Merkle married William Frey son of Heinrich Frey and Anna Catherine Levering
Another sister Regina Ann Christena (Merkley) /Merkle/ married Benjamin Frey son of Heinrich Frey and Anna Catherine Levering
Eltinges:
Cornelius Eltinge married Rebecca Van Meeteren dau of Joost Jansen Van Meteran
Cornelius and Rebecca Eltinge children
Elizabeth married Abraham Ferree
Sarah married Col. John Hite son of Joist and Anne Maria Merckle
Abraham Ferree parents Peter Ferree and Leah Du Bois
daughter of Abraham Du Bois and Margaret Deyo
Philip Ferree parents are Daniel Ferree and Maria Warenbuer
Philp sister Mary married Thomas Faulkner my line
my worldconnect/family tree. What are asking is list here
Now Nathaniel Taylor,for who I am you and talked along time ago about the James Taylor of Virginia who married Francis _ in England and married Mary Gregory in Virginia.
----- Original Message ----- From: Nathaniel Taylor To: GEN-MEDIEVA...@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Sam Walton of Wal-Mart ... Lannoy (OT)
In article <1126379962.702128.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "David" <rarereac...@88.am> wrote:
> I was compiling the ancestry of Sam Walton of wal-Marts stores today. > Coincidently, he is a cousin of George Lucas, whoes liniage I posted > yesterday. Agains. I would be greatful if someone could try looking up > the line from Louis Du Bois to Jean de Lannoy.
> Sam Walson is also a cousin of President Bush, though Abraham and Mary > Field of Culpeper co., Virginia.
> Here is the line:
> 1 Jean de Lannoy b. _____ d. 1525 m. Philippe de Planes > 2 Claude de Lannoy m. Charles Du Bois > 3 Eustache Du Bois m. Gille de Renel > 4 Guislan de Fiennes Du Bois m. Jeanne de Longueville > 5 Marc de Fiennes Du Bois m. Madelaine d'Ognies > 6 Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Catharine Cecil Germend > 7 Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Louise Charlotte d'Etamps > 8 Charles Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Henrietta de Reignier de > Boisleau > 9 Chretien Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois > 10 Louis Du Bois b. _____ d. 1696 m. Catherine Blansha d. 1713 > 11 Sara Du Bois b. _____ d. 1726 m. Joost Janz Van Meteren b. 1656 d. > 1705 > 12 Rebecca Van Meter b. 1686 d. 1756 m. Cornelius Eltinge b. 1681 d. > 1754 > 13 Sarah Eltinge b. 1715 m. John Hite b. 1710 d. 1792 > 14 Rebecca Hite b. 1740 d. 1785 m. Maj. Charles Smith b. 1726 d. 1776
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I just noticed this in replies and discussion. A brother of my agnate (Taylor) ancestor married a sister of no. 14 (they are Simon^4 Taylor, 1728-1796, of North Farnham Virginia and Hampshire County, West Virginia, and Anna Maria Hite, 1738-; they had six children). I would be interested in what is known of the ancestry and connections of the Hites, Eltinges, Van Meters, and Dubois. I am aware that there is an active Hite family association. What are the best published compiled sources on these Van Meter and DuBois (and Lannoy) families, and especially of the career and ancestry of this DuBois gateway?
I have traced three or four agnate (Taylor) generations of their descendants in my compiled genealogy of my Taylor family, at:
David wrote: > I was compiling the ancestry of Sam Walton of wal-Marts stores today. > Coincidently, he is a cousin of George Lucas, whoes liniage I posted > yesterday. Agains. I would be greatful if someone could try looking up > the line from Louis Du Bois to Jean de Lannoy.
> Sam Walson is also a cousin of President Bush, though Abraham and Mary > Field of Culpeper co., Virginia.
> Here is the line:
> 1 Jean de Lannoy b. _____ d. 1525 m. Philippe de Planes > 2 Claude de Lannoy m. Charles Du Bois > 3 Eustache Du Bois m. Gille de Renel > 4 Guislan de Fiennes Du Bois m. Jeanne de Longueville > 5 Marc de Fiennes Du Bois m. Madelaine d'Ognies > 6 Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Catharine Cecil Germend > 7 Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Louise Charlotte d'Etamps > 8 Charles Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Henrietta de Reignier de > Boisleau > 9 Chretien Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois > 10 Louis Du Bois b. _____ d. 1696 m. Catherine Blansha d. 1713
I realize that death dates can be deceptive, but you have 9 generations in 171 years, or a quite short (over this many generations) average of 19 years per.
> Just to amplify this with a real-life example, the elder son of America > Rev. War Gen. Ethan Allen by his second wife, widow Frances Buchanan, is > named Hannibal Montresor Allen in the official genealogy printed by the > Allen Family Trust, as well as in a range of other biographical compendia. > This has been used as supporting evidence that the mother's maiden name > was Frances Montresor, as had been claimed by the family. However, the > records of the U.S. Military Academy and of the U.S. Army clearly indicate > that the son was actually named Hannibal _Montesque_ Allen, and it was > only 'corrected' to Hannibal _Montresor_ after the hypothesis that his > mother was a Montresor gained general acceptance.
Of course, one of West Point's better known graduates, Ulysses Simpson Grant, had been born Hiram Ulysses Grant. The congressman who appointed him to West Point screwed his name up, dropping the unused first name and adding Grant's mother's maiden name as a middle name. Grant either never bothered to battle the army bureaucracy to get the records straightened out or perhaps decided (correctly) that the initials U.S. wouldn't do him any harm in his military career. I wonder if he ever legally changed his name to make it conform with army records.
In any event, military records aren't perfect either, by a long shot.
>>Just to amplify this with a real-life example, the elder son of America >>Rev. War Gen. Ethan Allen by his second wife, widow Frances Buchanan, is >>named Hannibal Montresor Allen in the official genealogy printed by the >>Allen Family Trust, as well as in a range of other biographical compendia. >>This has been used as supporting evidence that the mother's maiden name >>was Frances Montresor, as had been claimed by the family. However, the >>records of the U.S. Military Academy and of the U.S. Army clearly indicate >>that the son was actually named Hannibal _Montesque_ Allen, and it was >>only 'corrected' to Hannibal _Montresor_ after the hypothesis that his >>mother was a Montresor gained general acceptance.
> Of course, one of West Point's better known graduates, Ulysses Simpson > Grant, had been born Hiram Ulysses Grant. The congressman who appointed him > to West Point screwed his name up, dropping the unused first name and adding > Grant's mother's maiden name as a middle name. Grant either never bothered > to battle the army bureaucracy to get the records straightened out or > perhaps decided (correctly) that the initials U.S. wouldn't do him any harm > in his military career. I wonder if he ever legally changed his name to make > it conform with army records.
> In any event, military records aren't perfect either, by a long shot.
No, but when they are the only contemporary record of the middle name, the other option not appearing until about 130 years after the death of the person in question, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt. The curious thing is that the mother's maiden name may well have been Montresor anyhow, but the point is that to use a middle name as evidence of a descent, you have to be sure it was actually the middle name and not a guess by later genealogists based on the reconstructed relationship.
"David" <rarereac...@88.am> wrote in message news:1126379962.702128.7620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >I was compiling the ancestry of Sam Walton of wal-Marts stores today. > Coincidently, he is a cousin of George Lucas, whoes liniage I posted > yesterday. Agains. I would be greatful if someone could try looking up > the line from Louis Du Bois to Jean de Lannoy.
> Here is the line:
> 1 Jean de Lannoy b. _____ d. 1525 m. Philippe de Planes > 2 Claude de Lannoy m. Charles Du Bois > 3 Eustache Du Bois m. Gille de Renel > 4 Guislan de Fiennes Du Bois m. Jeanne de Longueville > 5 Marc de Fiennes Du Bois m. Madelaine d'Ognies > 6 Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Catharine Cecil Germend > 7 Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Louise Charlotte d'Etamps > 8 Charles Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Henrietta de Reignier de Boisleau > 9 Chretien Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois > 10 Louis Du Bois b. _____ d. 1696 m. Catherine Blansha d. 1713 > 11 Sara Du Bois b. _____ d. 1726 m. Joost Janz Van Meteren b. 1656 d. 1705 > The generations 1 to 10 are given as fact in Colonial familes of the US > and two other books I have, but i'm not 100% sure.
Generations 3 to 10 appear to be the same as shown on pp. 22 - 23 of A Genealogy of the Duke-Shepherd-Van Metre Family by Samuel Gordon Smyth (1909); except the name Du Bois does not appear until Louis. He credits it to Mars. Anna Louise Thompson "in connection with M. Le Turcq".
The American Descendants of Chrétien Du Bois of Wicres, France, Part One; compiled by William Heidgerd (1968) has on the fourth (unnumbered) page of the introduction a "Report of European Research of Reverend W. Twyman Williams... dated December 13, 1935."
This report says in part: "Mr. Williams pointed out errors in Mackenzie's _Colonial Families of the United States of America, IV, duBois_ because of lack of conciliation in generation dates, such as placing Louis DuBois, born 10-21-1626, as the son of Chretien Maxmillian des Finnes."
"In the _Dictionarie de la Noblesse_ by La Chesnay, Desbois, and Baider, a standard work on the French nobility, Chrétien Maximilien du Bois de Finnes was listed in Vol. VIII and recorded as "Captain in the Regiment of his father, died 1747 aged 21 without issue." His father was Charles Maxmilien (1701-1750); his grandfather, Maxmilien Francois (1669-1714) ..."
"This incorrect pedigree had been secured by Mrs. Anna Louise Thompson... from a French genealogist...[who copied] these generations from the _Dictionarie_ and omitting all dates to conceal his ridiculous identification of Chrétien du Bois, father of Louis, the emigrant, with Chrétien Maximilien du Bois de Fiennes (1726-1747)."
I do not have access to vol VIII of Dictionnaire de la Noblesse by De La Chenaye-Desbois et Badier. I suppose this is the volume that as Fiennes in it. I wonder if someone on this list who has access could please look and double-check Rev. Williams' contention.
There have been many claims, proposals, hypotheses, etc. over the years on the ancestry of Louis DuBois. As far as I can tell, the only thing that has been proven about his ancestors is that Louis' father's name was Chrétien DuBois.
mon...@getgoin.net ("Janet") wrote: > Nat Taylor wrote:
> > In article <1126379962.702128.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, > > "David" <rarereac...@88.am> wrote:
> > > 8 Charles Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Henrietta de Reignier de > > > Boisleau > > > 9 Chretien Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois > > > 10 Louis Du Bois b. _____ d. 1696 m. Catherine Blansha d. 1713 > > > 11 Sara Du Bois b. _____ d. 1726 m. Joost Janz Van Meteren b. 1656 d. > > > 1705 > > > 12 Rebecca Van Meter b. 1686 d. 1756 m. Cornelius Eltinge b. 1681 d. > > > 1754 > > > 13 Sarah Eltinge b. 1715 m. John Hite b. 1710 d. 1792 > > > 14 Rebecca Hite b. 1740 d. 1785 m. Maj. Charles Smith b. 1726 d. 1776
> > I just noticed this in replies and discussion. A brother of my agnate > > (Taylor) ancestor married a sister of no. 14 (they are Simon^4 Taylor, > > 1728-1796, of North Farnham Virginia and Hampshire County, West > > Virginia, and Anna Maria Hite, 1738-; they had six children). ...
> > I have traced three or four agnate (Taylor) generations of their > > descendants in my compiled genealogy of my Taylor family, at:
The wife of Simon Taylor was another Anna Maria Hite, daughter of John and Sarah (Eltinge) Hite and granddaughter of Joost and Anna Maria (Merckle) Hite.
I see from other replies that there is a fair amount of material out there on these well-off Franco-Dutch settlers, who may well have some interesting connections, but the 'de Fiennes du Bois' assertion seems an old falsehood.
I never mention 'de Fiennes du Bois' link I do know the Du Bois family for Peter Ferrer wife was Leah DuBois daughter of Abraham and granddaughter of Louis after that I do not know Janet
----- Original Message ----- From: Nathaniel Taylor To: GEN-MEDIEVA...@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Sam Walton of Wal-Mart ... Lannoy (OT)
In article <03bd01c5b708$2bf49dc0$7171a00c@George>, mon...@getgoin.net ("Janet") wrote:
> Nat Taylor wrote:
> > In article <1126379962.702128.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, > > "David" <rarereac...@88.am> wrote:
> > > 8 Charles Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Henrietta de Reignier de > > > Boisleau > > > 9 Chretien Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois > > > 10 Louis Du Bois b. _____ d. 1696 m. Catherine Blansha d. 1713 > > > 11 Sara Du Bois b. _____ d. 1726 m. Joost Janz Van Meteren b. 1656 d. > > > 1705 > > > 12 Rebecca Van Meter b. 1686 d. 1756 m. Cornelius Eltinge b. 1681 d. > > > 1754 > > > 13 Sarah Eltinge b. 1715 m. John Hite b. 1710 d. 1792 > > > 14 Rebecca Hite b. 1740 d. 1785 m. Maj. Charles Smith b. 1726 d. 1776
> > I just noticed this in replies and discussion. A brother of my agnate > > (Taylor) ancestor married a sister of no. 14 (they are Simon^4 Taylor, > > 1728-1796, of North Farnham Virginia and Hampshire County, West > > Virginia, and Anna Maria Hite, 1738-; they had six children). ...
> > I have traced three or four agnate (Taylor) generations of their > > descendants in my compiled genealogy of my Taylor family, at:
The wife of Simon Taylor was another Anna Maria Hite, daughter of John and Sarah (Eltinge) Hite and granddaughter of Joost and Anna Maria (Merckle) Hite.
I see from other replies that there is a fair amount of material out there on these well-off Franco-Dutch settlers, who may well have some interesting connections, but the 'de Fiennes du Bois' assertion seems an old falsehood.
Perhaps the most famous mangled middle name in American history is that of William M. Tweed, known to history, not very accurately, as Boss Tweed.
In countless reference books (including even the normally scrupulous Encyclopedia Britannica) he is listed as William Marcy Tweed. William Marcy became governor of New York in 1831 and is usually credited with the enduring political slogan, "To the victor belongs the spoils." But he was not well known in 1823 when Tweed was born.
There is no known primary source giving Tweed's middle name (he always signed himself William M. Tweed), but Leo Hershkowitz, author of the excellent Tweed's New York, writes that it was almost certainly Magear, his mother's maiden name. Regardless, driving a stake through the factoid that his middle name is Marcy is doubtless impossible at this point; it is just too deeply embedded in the historical literature.
> No, but when they are the only contemporary record of the middle name, the > other option not appearing until about 130 years after the death of the > person in question, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt. The > curious thing is that the mother's maiden name may well have been > Montresor anyhow, but the point is that to use a middle name as evidence > of a descent, you have to be sure it was actually the middle name and not > a guess by later genealogists based on the reconstructed relationship.
Actually, Leah DuBois daughter of Abraham (son of Louis) and Margaret Deyo was married to Philip Ferree son of Daniel Ferree and Mary de la Warembur. I descend through their daughter Magdalena (sometimes referred to as Lena). They had 9 children.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <mon...@getgoin.net> To: <GEN-MEDIEVA...@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 5:41 AM Subject: Re: Sam Walton of Wal-Mart ... Lannoy (OT)
>I never mention 'de Fiennes du Bois' link I do know the Du Bois family for >Peter Ferrer wife was Leah DuBois daughter of Abraham and granddaughter of >Louis after that I do not know > Janet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nathaniel Taylor > To: GEN-MEDIEVA...@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: Sam Walton of Wal-Mart ... Lannoy (OT)
> In article <03bd01c5b708$2bf49dc0$7171a00c@George>, > mon...@getgoin.net ("Janet") wrote:
> > > > 8 Charles Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois m. Henrietta de Reignier > de > > > > Boisleau > > > > 9 Chretien Maxmillian de Fiennes Du Bois > > > > 10 Louis Du Bois b. _____ d. 1696 m. Catherine Blansha d. 1713 > > > > 11 Sara Du Bois b. _____ d. 1726 m. Joost Janz Van Meteren b. > 1656 d. > > > > 1705 > > > > 12 Rebecca Van Meter b. 1686 d. 1756 m. Cornelius Eltinge b. 1681 > d. > > > > 1754 > > > > 13 Sarah Eltinge b. 1715 m. John Hite b. 1710 d. 1792 > > > > 14 Rebecca Hite b. 1740 d. 1785 m. Maj. Charles Smith b. 1726 d. > 1776
> > > I just noticed this in replies and discussion. A brother of my > agnate > > > (Taylor) ancestor married a sister of no. 14 (they are Simon^4 > Taylor, > > > 1728-1796, of North Farnham Virginia and Hampshire County, West > > > Virginia, and Anna Maria Hite, 1738-; they had six children). ...
> > > I have traced three or four agnate (Taylor) generations of their > > > descendants in my compiled genealogy of my Taylor family, at:
> The wife of Simon Taylor was another Anna Maria Hite, daughter of John > and Sarah (Eltinge) Hite and granddaughter of Joost and Anna Maria > (Merckle) Hite.
> I see from other replies that there is a fair amount of material out > there on these well-off Franco-Dutch settlers, who may well have some > interesting connections, but the 'de Fiennes du Bois' assertion seems an > old falsehood.
| Perhaps the most famous mangled middle name in American history is | that of William M. Tweed, known to history, not very accurately, as | Boss Tweed. | | In countless reference books (including even the normally scrupulous | Encyclopedia Britannica) he is listed as William Marcy Tweed. William | Marcy became governor of New York in 1831 and is usually credited | with the enduring political slogan, "To the victor belongs the | spoils." But he was not well known in 1823 when Tweed was born. | | There is no known primary source giving Tweed's middle name (he always | signed himself William M. Tweed), but Leo Hershkowitz, author of the | excellent Tweed's New York, writes that it was almost certainly | Magear, his mother's maiden name. Regardless, driving a stake | through the factoid that his middle name is Marcy is doubtless | impossible at this point; it is just too deeply embedded in the | historical literature. | | JSG
> I just noticed this in replies and discussion. A brother of my agnate > (Taylor) ancestor married a sister of no. 14 (they are Simon^4 Taylor, > 1728-1796, of North Farnham Virginia and Hampshire County, West > Virginia, and Anna Maria Hite, 1738-; they had six children). I would > be interested in what is known of the ancestry and connections of the > Hites, Eltinges, Van Meters, and Dubois. I am aware that there is an > active Hite family association. What are the best published compiled > sources on these Van Meter and DuBois (and Lannoy) families, and > especially of the career and ancestry of this DuBois gateway?
The DuBois Family Association has published a revised version (1998) of the multi-volume Heidgerd work I mentioned yesterday: _The American Descendants of Chrétien Du Bois of Wicres, France_. It traces both male and female lines of descent. I have seen only the first 4 generations, so don't know how far it goes with the Hite, etc. lines.
You might also be interested in the short article by Henry Hoff, "Some Observations on the Du Bois Family" in NYGBR 126:175-177.
For Hite, see _German Origins of Jost Hite Virgina Pioneer 1685-1761_ by Henry Z. Jones, Jr., Ralph Connor, and Klaus Wust (1979). I think it deals main (entirely?) with Jost, his and his wife's parents, and their children. It also debunks the "Alsatian Baron" DuBois myth that seems to have become connected to the VA branch.
> > No, but when they are the only contemporary record of the middle name, the > > other option not appearing until about 130 years after the death of the > > person in question, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt. The > > curious thing is that the mother's maiden name may well have been > > Montresor anyhow, but the point is that to use a middle name as evidence > > of a descent, you have to be sure it was actually the middle name and not > > a guess by later genealogists based on the reconstructed relationship.
> Perhaps the most famous mangled middle name in American history is that of > William M. Tweed, known to history, not very accurately, as Boss Tweed.
I should add another recently-revealed case of faulty middle-name renown: the painter generally known as 'Fitz Hugh Lane' has just been shown to have legally been named 'Fitz Henry Lane' (it was always known that he had been born Nathaniel Rogers Lane, and changed his name as an adult). The mistake over his middle name dates from the beginning of the 20th century, when his works began to be sold and catalogued under the name 'Fitz Hugh Lane' through some oversight or error, and he has been known by that name ever since. He amost always signed his paintings 'Fitz H Lane', but there were two long-known works signed 'Fitz Henry Lane' that had had people scratching their heads. Just this year somebody actually pulled the paperwork from Lane's name change and found that Henry was indeed correct.
Wilmerding's definitive biography / analysis of his works, formerly titled _Fitz Hugh Lane_, has now been reprinted with corrected title, _Fitz Henry Lane_.
> <snip> > > I just noticed this in replies and discussion. A brother of my agnate > > (Taylor) ancestor married a sister of no. 14 (they are Simon^4 Taylor, > > 1728-1796, of North Farnham Virginia and Hampshire County, West > > Virginia, and Anna Maria Hite, 1738-; they had six children). I would > > be interested in what is known of the ancestry and connections of the > > Hites, Eltinges, Van Meters, and Dubois. I am aware that there is an > > active Hite family association. What are the best published compiled > > sources on these Van Meter and DuBois (and Lannoy) families, and > > especially of the career and ancestry of this DuBois gateway?
> The DuBois Family Association has published a revised version (1998) > of the multi-volume Heidgerd work I mentioned yesterday: > The American Descendants of Chrétien Du Bois of Wicres, France . > It traces both male and female lines of descent. I have seen only the > first 4 generations, so don't know how far it goes with the Hite, etc. > lines.
> You might also be interested in the short article by Henry Hoff, > "Some Observations on the Du Bois Family" in NYGBR 126:175-177.
> For Hite, see German Origins of Jost Hite Virgina Pioneer 1685-1761 > by Henry Z. Jones, Jr., Ralph Connor, and Klaus Wust (1979). > I think it deals main (entirely?) with Jost, his and his wife's parents, > and their children. It also debunks the "Alsatian Baron" DuBois myth > that seems to have become connected to the VA branch.
Thanks! I was not aware of Henry Hoff's DuBois article, and only indirectly of the Jones et al. work on Hite.
Just a quick note. I was sent another ancestry for Louis that goes:
1. Louis1 DUBOIS (168) died in 1696 at Kingston, Ulster County, New York. --- 2nd Generation --- 2. Chretien2 DUBOIS (167) was born in 1597 at France. He died circa 1629. 3. Cornelia2 (3700) --- 3rd Generation --- 4. Jean3 DUBOIS DE FIENNES (3710) was born circa 1566. 5. Francoise Olivier3 DE LEUVILLE (166) --- 4th Generation --- 8. Charles4 DUBOIS DE FIENNES (3712) died in 1607. 9. Barbe4 de BEAUFREMEZ (3713) was born circa 1546 at Herlies, France. --- 5th Generation --- 16. Antoine5 DUBOIS DE FIENNES (3714) 17. Baudouine5 LYONNEL (3715) --- 6th Generation --- 32. Charles6 DUBOIS DE FIENNES (3725) 33. Claudine6 DE LANNOY (3718) was born circa 1507. --- 7th Generation --- 64. Jean III7 DUBOIS DE FIENNES (3726) 65. Jeanne7 DUBOIS DE FIENNES (3727) 66. Jean IV7 de LANNOY (3719) 67. Marguerite7 de PRAET (18757) was born in 1466. She died in 1490.
