Have a look at Katherine Keats-Rohan's article, No 9, on the Prosopon
site:
http://www.linacre.ox.ac.uk/prosopon.html
Note that you can get it in either Word or PDF formats.
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Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
Thanks Tim that was a very helpful link in helping straighten out the
early chronology of the Tosny family of Belvoir.
Will Johnson
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> Keats-Rohan actually said that King Henry I of England
> acceded the throne in 1087 ? He didn`t. William II Rufus was king from 1087-1100, in
> the latter year King Henry I succeeded him.
This sounds a remarkably astonishing statement by Keats-Rohan. Can you
give the reference?
On Mar 18, 3:10 pm, "Peter Stewart" <p_m_stew...@msn.com> wrote:
> <Millerfairfi...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:mailman.311.11742407...@rootsweb.com...
>
> >I must confess to ignorance about the possible distinctions between
> >Adeliza,
> > Adelicia and Adelida. But I have noted the various names given as
> > alternative spellings in a number of 12th century and earlier documents
> > relating to the
> > Louvain family.
>
> You are quite right - these were forms of the same name, sometimes
> interchanged even in the same document, as of course Keats-Rohan knows very
> well.
>
> Peter Stewart
There are charters where one version of the name is given in the text
and another in the subscription - I don't have an example at my
fingertips, or time to search just now, but will post again if I come
across any instances. The name also occurs in more outlandish forms,
such as "Alipdis".
You don't have to go far to find two forms, Adeliz and Adelicia,
demonstrably used for the same person in different documents, as in
the case that started this thread - another Tosny lady, the daughter
of Roger I and Godehildis, who married William fitz Osbern, earl of
Hereford, was named "Adeliz" in his charter of ca 1050 ("ego
Guillelmus filius Osberni...cum uxore mea Adeliz") and "Adelicia" in
the obituary of Lyre abbey that he founded ("obiit Alelicia uxor
Willelmi filii Osberni").
Peter Stewart
The last quotation was from the chronicle of Lyre abbey, not the
obituary.
A few other examples of women of named A(de)lais/A(de)licia occurring
under various forms are:
The wife of Ademar III, count of Angoulême, who was a daughter of
Pierre I of Courtenay and Elizabeth - in her husband's charter of
1186/97 for Saint-Amand de Boix she appears as "Alaidis" (Ego Ademarus
comes Engolismensis et uxor mea, comitissa Alaidis de Courtenai
nomine), but in the obituary of the Hôtel-Dieu de Provins she occurs
first as Alesis in her own notice on 12 February (Ob. Dilectissima
nostra Alesis, comitissa Angolismensis, que multa bona nobis contulit)
and then as Aales is her husband's on 18 December (Haymardus, comes
Angolismensis, mariti quondam Aales, comitisse Angolismensis, que
nobis multa bona contulit).
The second wife of Count Otto William of Mâcon, of unknown family
origin - in her husband's charter for Cluny ca 1015 she occurs as
Adeleidis (Ego Otto comes et uxor mea Adeleidis), and in the obituary
of Saint-Pierre de Mâcon as Adalasia under 29 May (Adalasia comitissa
vocata, regali progenie orta, seculo decessit).
Peter Stewart