OT Genealogics Addition: Edward III Descents for 1st Baron Rancliffe (1755-1800)

[Brad Verity]

Leo has Thomas Boothby Parkyns, 1st Baron Rancliffe, in his database,
with no dates or ancestry for his parents, here:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00110570&tree=LEO

He was the son of Sir Thomas Parkyns, 3rd Baronet of Bunny Park (born
8 December, christened 9 December 1728, St Mary Church, Bunny,
Nottinghamshire; buried there 27 March 1806), and his first wife, who
was his great-niece, married 7 April 1747, Pensioners Army Hospital,
Chelsea, London, Jane Parkyns (died December 1760, buried 2 January
1761, St Mary Church, Bunny).

The 1st Baron Rancliffe has 7 separate lines of descent from Edward
III, laid out below, with links to the most recent individuals in
Leo's database for each.

Edward III had 2 sons, A1 & E1 (see below)
A1) John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster (1340-1399) m. 3) Katherine
Roet (c.1350-1403), and had
A2) Joan Beaufort (c.1377-1440) m. twice, and had 3 daus - A3, C3 & D3
(see below)
A3) Mary Ferrers, by 1st husband (1394-1458) m. Sir Ralph Neville of
Oversley (c.1395-1458, descended from Edward I), and had
A4) John Neville of Oversley (c.1415-1482) m. Elizabeth Newmarch, and
had
A5) Joan Neville m. 1) Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe (c.
1428-1463), and had
A6) Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe (c.1450-1487) m. Margaret Percy
(see C5 below), and had
A7) Elizabeth Gascoigne (c.1480-1559) m. Sir George Tailboys of Kyme
(1467-1538, descended from Edward I), and had
A8) Anne Tailboys m. 1) Sir Edward Dymoke of Scrivelsby (by1508-1567,
descended from Edward I), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056924&tree=LEO
A9) Elizabeth Dymoke m. Sir Henry Ayscough of Blyborough (1534-1611,
descended from Edward I), and had
A10) Frances Ayscough (d. 1640) m. Nicholas Cressy of Fulsby Hall (d.
1630), and had
A11) Maj. Thomas Cressy of Fulsby Hall (b. 1607) m. Elizabeth Glemham
(see G12 below), and had
A12) Anne Cressy (1637-1726) m. Sir Thomas Parkyns, 1st Baronet of
Bunny Park (1639-1684), and had
A13) Sir Thomas Parkyns, 2nd Baronet of Bunny Park (1662-1741) m. 1)
Elizabeth Sampson (d. 1727), and had a son B14 (see below); m. 2) Jane
Barnatt (d. 1740), and had
A14) Sir Thomas Parkyns, 3rd Baronet of Bunny Park (1728-1806) m. 1)
Jane Parkyns (see B16 below), and had
A15) Thomas Boothby Parkyns, 1st Baron Rancliffe (1755-1800)

B14) Sampson Parkyns, Heir of Bunny Hall (1686-1713) m. Alice
Middlemore (see D14 below), and had
B15) Thomas Parkyns, Heir of Bunny Hall (1709-1735) m. Elizabeth
Woodruffe, and had
B16) Jane Parkyns (c.1735-1760) m. Sir Thomas Parkyns, 3rd Baronet of
Bunny Park (see A14 above)

C3) Eleanor Neville, by 2nd husband (1403-1472) m. 2) Henry Percy, 2nd
Earl of Northumberland (see E4 below), and had
C4) Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (1421-1461) m. Eleanor
Poynings (1428-1484, descended from Edward I), and had
C5) Margaret Percy (b. c.1448) m. Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe
(see A6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046491&tree=LEO

D3) Elizabeth Ferrers, by 1st husband (1393-1434) m. John, 4th Lord
Greystoke (c.1390-1436), and had
D4) Anne Greystoke (c.1417-1477) m. Sir Ralph Bigod of Settrington
(1410-1461), and had
D5) Elizabeth Bigod (c.1443-aft.1507) m. Sir John Aske of Aughton
(1443-1497), and had
D6) Sir Robert Aske of Aughton (c.1463-1531) m. Elizabeth Clifford
(see F7 below), and had
D7) Anne Aske (b. c.1495) m. William Monckton of Cavil Hall (c.
1485-1557), and had
D8) Christopher Monckton of Cavil Hall (by1517-1600) m. Frances Hussey
(descended from Edward I), and had
D9) Marmaduke Monckton, Heir of Cavil Hall (d. bef. 1600) m. Elizabeth
Wentworth, and had
D10) Elizabeth Monckton (1579-1650) m. 1) George Booth of Killingholme
(1582-1617, descended from Edward I), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00516782&tree=LEO
D11) Mary Booth (b. 1607) m. Edward Middlemore of Barton-on-Humber
(1605-1656), and had
D12) Henry Middlemore of Lusby (1631-1667) m. Elizabeth Peniston, and
had
D13) Henry Middlemore of Linby (1663-1688) m. Anne Savile (b. 1668),
and had
D14) Alice Middlemore (b. 1688) m. Sampson Parkyns, Heir of Bunny Hall
(see B14 above)

E1) Lionel of Antwerp, Duke of Clarence (1338-1368) m. 1) Elizabeth de
Burgh (1332-1363, descended from Edward I), and had
E2) Philippa of Clarence (1355-1377) m. Edmund Mortmer, 3rd Earl of
March (1352-1381), and had
E3) Elizabeth Mortimer (1371-1417) m. 1) Sir Henry 'Hotspur' Percy
(1364-1403), and had a son E4 & a dau F4 (see below)
E4) Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland (1394-1455) m. Eleanor
Neville (see C3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015423&tree=LEO

F4) Elizabeth Percy (c.1395-1437) m. 1) John, 7th Lord Clifford
(1388-1422, descended from Edward I), and had a son F5 & a dau G5 (see
below)
F5) Thomas, 8th Lord Clifford (1414-1455) m. Joan Dacre (c.1417-c.
1452, descended from Edward I), and had
F6) John, 9th Lord Clifford (1435-1461) m. Margaret Bromflete (c.
1436-1493), and had
F7) Elizabeth Clifford (c.1460-bef.1529) m. Sir Robert Aske of Aughton
(see D6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198985&tree=LEO

G5) Mary Clifford (c.1420-by1458) m. Sir Philip Wentworth of
Nettlestead (1424-1464), and had
G6) Sir Henry Wentworth of Nettlestead (1448-1499) m. 1) Anne Say (c.
1448-aft.1489), and had
G7) Sir Richard Wentworth of Nettlestead (by1480-1528) m. Anne Tyrell
(descended from Edward I), and had
G8) Margery Wentworth (c.1513-1587) m. 1) Christopher Glemham of
Glemham Hall (d. 1549, descended from Edward I), and had
G10) Sir Thomas Glemham of Glemham Hall (1533-1571) m. Amy Parker (c.
1535-1571, descended from Edward I), and had
G11) Sir Henry Glemham of Glemham Hall (1569-1632) m. Lady Anne
Sackville (descended from Edward I), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007726&tree=LEO
G12) Elizabeth Glemham (b. c.1610) m. Maj. Thomas Cressy of Fulsby
Hall (see A11 above)

Cheers, ------Brad

[Olivier]

Thanks Brad.

The links

Edward III of Windsor Plantagenêt, King of England is an ancestor of the 14th generation of Thomas Boothby Parkyns, Baron Rancliffe.

•1 branch: click here.

Edward III of Windsor Plantagenêt, King of England is also an ancestor of the 15th generation of Thomas Boothby Parkyns, Baron Rancliffe.

•3 branches: click here.
Edward III of Windsor Plantagenêt, King of England is also an ancestor of the 16th generation of Thomas Boothby Parkyns, Baron Rancliffe.

•1 branch: click here.

Edward III of Windsor Plantagenêt, King of England is also an ancestor of the 17th generation of Thomas Boothby Parkyns, Baron Rancliffe.

•4 branches: click here.

Edward III of Windsor Plantagenêt, King of England is also an ancestor of the 18th generation of Thomas Boothby Parkyns, Baron Rancliffe.

•1 branch: click here.

Total: 10 relationship links

http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=en;m=RL;i=3369747;i1=4931236;i2=3369747;l1=14,15,16,17,18;l2=0;dag=on

[Colin B. Withers]

Alain Blanchard (born 14th century, executed in Rouen in 1419) was a commander of the crossbowmen of Rouen during the Hundred Years' War.

He was active in the defence of the city during its siege by king Henry V of England. His habit of hanging English captives from the walls of the city incurred the wrath of the English. When the city capitulated on 20 January 1419 Henry demanded that three notable inhabitants be surrendered to be decapitated. One of them was Alain Blanchard. (Wikipedia).

Many immigrant Blanchard families in the US claim descent from Alain via Pierre John Blanchard, born 1555 in Normandy.

Are there any sources that show that Alain Blanchard had any children?

Thanks

Wibs

[Wjhonson]

Another way to cut this line is to point out that there is no primary source, which tells us who Pierre Jean's parent's were, nor in what place he was born. Speculation yes, evidence no.

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[Renia]

Sounds like you might have to pay a visit to repositories in Rouen to
find more info. Start booking your holiday and your place in the
Archives d�partementales de Seine-Maritime now!

http://www.archivesdepartementales76.net/contact/

[John Higgins]

On May 14, 9:58 am, Brad Verity <royaldesc...@hotmail.com> wrote:


> D10) Elizabeth Monckton (1579-1650) m. 1) George Booth of Killingholme
> (1582-1617, descended from Edward I), and had

> Cheers,                             ------Brad

Brad, can you provide the Edward I descent[s] for George Booth of
Killingholme? And who was the second husband of Elizabeth Monckton?

I agree with Olivier's count of 10 Edward III descents for the 1st
Baron Rancliffe. This individual has some interesting descendants,
including his grandson the British diplomat Sir Horace Rumbold and Sir
Horace's son (another Sir Horace) who was British ambassador to
Germeny at the time Hitler took power in Germany. The Rumbolds are in
Leo's database and have good biographies in ODNB.

[Brad Verity]

On May 16, 4:18 pm, John Higgins <jhiggins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Brad, can you provide the Edward I descent[s] for George Booth of
> Killingholme?

This line of descent is tentative, and further research is needed in
Generations 9 & 10 (see below & footnotes).

Edward I had
1) Joan of Acre (1272-1307) m. 1) Gilbert de Clare, 6th Earl of
Gloucester (1243-1295), and had
2) Elizabeth de Clare (1295-1360) m. 2) Theobald, 2nd Lord Verdun
(1278-1316), and had
3) Isabel Verdun (1317-1349) m. Henry Ferrers, 2nd Lord Ferrers of
Groby (1303-1343), and had
4) Elizabeth Ferrers (c.1336-1375) m. 1) David Strabolgi, 12th Earl of
Atholl (1334-1369), and had
5) Elizabeth Strabolgi (1361-1416) m. 2) Sir John le Scrope of
Hollinhall (c.1355-1405), and had
6) Elizabeth Scrope m. 1) Thomas Clarell of Aldwark (c.1402-1450), and
had
7) Elizabeth Clarell (d. 1503) m. Sir Richard Fitzwilliam of Aldwark
(d. 1478), and had
8) Richard Fitzwilliam of Dalton (d. 1521) = ??, and had
9) Elizabeth Fitzwilliam* m. William Gardner of Bishop Norton, and had
10) Cecily Gardner (d. 1590) m. Thomas Booth of Killingholme (d.
1581), and had**
11) John Booth of Killingholme (d. 1598) m. Martha Boteler (d. 1617),
and had
12) George Booth of Killingholme (1582-1617), ancestor of 1st Baron
Rancliffe

> And who was the second husband of Elizabeth Monckton?

Per the HOP bio of Elizabeth's stepson, Sir Matthew Appleyard, her
second husband was John Turner of Barton-on-Humber, Lincolnshire:
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/appleyard-sir-matthew-1607-70

But I haven't yet uncovered dates or parents for John Turner.

> I agree with Olivier's count of 10 Edward III descents for the 1st
> Baron Rancliffe.

So does Leo. With my different way of counting, I get 7 separate
lines, but we still match up.

> This individual has some interesting descendants,
> including his grandson the British diplomat Sir Horace Rumbold and Sir
> Horace's son (another Sir Horace) who was British ambassador to
> Germeny at the time Hitler took power in Germany.  The Rumbolds are in
> Leo's database and have good biographies in ODNB.

Very interesting!

*Per the Gardner of Bishop Norton pedigree in the 1562-64 Visitation
of Lincolnshire, Elizabeth, wife of William Gardner, was the daughter
of "Rich. Fitzwilliams of Aldwark":
http://archive.org/stream/visitationofcoun00cook#page/n107/mode/2up
Per the 1592 Gardner of Bishop Norton pedigree, Elizabeth was dau of
"Richard Fitz William of Calais, Kt, brother to Sir Thomas":
http://archive.org/stream/visitationofcoun00cook#page/n377/mode/2up
This would be Richard Fitzwilliam, younger son of Sir Richard
Fitzwilliam of Aldwark & Elizabeth Clarell, who, per Joseph Hunter in
his 'South Yorkshire' Vol. 2 (1831), p. 56, "had lands at Dalton, died
10 Mar. 1521, bur. at Thribergh." Many sources since state that this
Richard Fitzwilliam died unmarried, so Elizabeth Fitzwilliam Gardner
may have been an illegitimate daughter. Curiously his elder brother,
Sir Thomas Fitzwilliam of Aldwark (1448-1498), mentions an
illegitimate daughter Elizabeth in his 1497 will:
http://archive.org/stream/testamentaebora05claygoog#page/n257/mode/2up

**Per Rev. Maddison's pedigree of Booth of Killingholme in his
'Lincolnshire Pedigrees' Vol. 1 (1902), Thomas Booth's children were
all from his first wife Elizabeth Ayscough:
http://archive.org/stream/lincolnshirepedi01madd#page/n341/mode/2up
But per the original Booth of Killingholme pedigree from the 1562
Visitation of Lincolnshire, all his children were by his second wife,
Cecily Gardner:
http://archive.org/stream/visitationofcoun00cook#page/n49/mode/2up

Cheers, -----Brad

[John Higgins]

> second husband was John Turner of Barton-on-Humber, Lincolnshire:http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/appl...

Thanks, Brad, for this further information. As you say, this needs
further research - particularly the Gardner/Booth link.

The 1562-64 visitation pedigree for Booth is certainly contemporaneous
with Thomas Booth of Killingholme (d. 1581) and thus should be
reliable. But it's worrisome that Maddison gives Thomas 4 more
children not listed in the Vis. pedigree - in addition to assigning
all the children to the first wife Elizabeth Ayscough. Something is
amiss here.....

[Brad Verity]

On May 16, 10:31 pm, Brad Verity <royaldesc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Per the HOP bio of Elizabeth's stepson, Sir Matthew Appleyard, her
> second husband was John Turner of Barton-on-Humber, Lincolnshire:http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/appl...

BTW, the HOP bio states that Sir Matthew Appleyard was Elizabeth
Monckton's son. This is incorrect - he was baptized 28 December 1608
at All Saints Church, Burstwick, Yorkshire, the youngest child of
Thomas Appleyard's first wife, Anne Legard. Elizabeth Monckton's first
husband George Booth did not die until 1617.

On May 17, 1:57 pm, John Higgins <jhiggins...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Brad, for this further information.  As you say, this needs
> further research - particularly the Gardner/Booth link.

Yes indeed.

> The 1562-64 visitation pedigree for Booth is certainly contemporaneous
> with Thomas Booth of Killingholme (d. 1581) and thus should be
> reliable.  But it's worrisome that Maddison gives Thomas 4 more
> children not listed in the Vis. pedigree - in addition to assigning
> all the children to the first wife Elizabeth Ayscough.  Something is
> amiss here.....

Maybe the additional four children Maddison provides were born after
the 1562-64 Visitation? One of them, daughter Catherine Booth,
Maddison shows as married in 1578, which is cutting it close. But
still possible if she was born right after the Visitation and married
in her teens. If born after the Visitation, this would necessarily
make them the children of Booth's second wife Cecily Gardner, since
Elizabeth Ayscough had died and Booth remarried Cecily by the time the
herald took the Visitation.

It's interesting that there was another Booth/Monckton marriage before
Elizabeth Monckton's to George Booth. Clearly the families were
closely allied.

Cheers, -----Brad

[Wjhonson]

If the baptismal entry does not
provide a mother's name, than another
solution is that his wife was not this
Elizabeth Monckton.
My sources don't give her a firstname nor
a first husband.