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jean bunot

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Jun 20, 2004, 3:56:38 PM6/20/04
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This post proposes a third royal (carolingian) gateway for the
Méhérenc de Montmirel Family. The crucial link is generation 15 where
Robert II de Thibouville and Robert IV Bertrand de Bricquebec (+ 1202,
m. Jeanne de Trie) are known to be brothers-in-law (beaux-frères) by a
contemporary document (P. Leportier). Again as usual, please feel free
to comment or complete the data. Meilleures et cordiales salutations,

Jean Bunot

1.
Charlemagne, roi et empereur (742-814)
m. 771, Hildegarde d'Alémanie (752-783)

2.
Louis le Pieux, roi et empereur (778-840)
m. 819, Judith Welf (+ 843)

3.
Charles le Chauve, roi de France, empereur (823-877)
m. 842, Ermentrude d'Orléans (+ 869)

4.
Louis II le Bègue, roi de France (846-879)
m. 875, AdélaÏde de Paris (885-900)

5.
Charles III le Simple, roi de France (879-929)
m. 919, Edgive de Wessex (+ 951)

6.
Louis IV d'Outremer, roi de France (920-954)
m. 939, Gerberge de Germanie (913-984)

7.
Mathilde de France (943-982)
m. 964, Conrad le Pacifique, roi de Bourgogne (925-993)

8.
Berthe de Bourgogne (+ 1016)
m. 983, Eudes Ier, comte de Blois et de Chartres (+ 995)

9.
Eudes II, comte de Blois, de Chartres, de Troyes et de Meaux (+ 1037)
m. 1005, Ermengarde d'Auvergne (+1042)

10.
Étienne, comte de Troyes, puis de Châlons (1042/48)
m. Adele

11.
Eudes III, comte de Châlons, puis d'Aumâle (+ 1096/98)
m. 1060, Adele de Normandie, comtesse d'Aumâle (+ 1081/84)

12.
Étienne, comte d'Aumâle, lord of Holderness (+ 1124/27)
m. Havoise/Hedwige (de Mortemer ?)

13.
Adelize d'Aumâle
m. Robert II Bertrand, dit le Tort, seigneur de Bricquebec (+ 1138)

14. Robert III Bertrand, seigneur de Bricquebec
m. Ne...

15.
Ne... Bertrand de Bricquebec
m. Robert II, seigneur de Thibouville

16.
Guillaume III, seigneur de Thibouville (1202)
m. Ne...

17.
Robert III, seigneur de Thibouville (1252/66)
m. Jeanne Tesson de La Roche-Tesson, widow of Robert V Bertrand de
Bricquebec

18.
Agnès de Thibouville (+ 1340)
m. 1287, Thomas Ier, seigneur de La Luzerne (+ 1317)

19.
Amaury Ier, seigneur de La Luzerne
m. Aude de Hamars

20.
Amaury II, seigneur de La Luzerne (1387)
m. Jeanne Renaut

21.
Guillaume II, seigneur de La Luzerne
m. c. 1360, Jeanne de La Haye de Néhou

22.
Catherine de La Luzerne, dame de Pirou
ép. 1398, Jean VI du Bois, dit le Gascoing, seigneur de
L'Espinay-Tesson, de Montbray et de Langrune (+ c. 1408)

Next generations to the Méhérenc family are the same as my first
posting.

Sources : ES; Père Anselme; "La Luzerne" and "Thibouville" in La
Chesnaye-Desbois et Badier; Paul Leportier "Bertrand de Bricquebec" in
Histoire et Généalogie, n. 169, p. 322; Paul Leportier "La Luzerne" in
RGN n. 89, p. 53, janvier-mars 2004; Paul Leportier, "La Luzerne" in
RGN, n. 50; Claude Pithois et Paul Leportier in "Familles de La Haye
en Basse-Normandie- branche de La Haye-Hue" in RGN n. 73, p. 10-11
janvier-mars 2000.

jean bunot

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Jun 23, 2004, 11:27:45 AM6/23/04
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Correction : the Bertrand de Bricquebec source (P. Leportier) should
read Héraldique et Généalogie not Histoire et Généalogie... Sorry for
my mistake.

Jean Bunot


magnu...@yahoo.com (jean bunot) wrote in message news:<fb37ab3b.04062...@posting.google.com>...

WJho...@aol.com

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Jun 23, 2004, 4:05:49 PM6/23/04
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In a message dated 6/20/2004 3:56:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, magnu...@yahoo.com writes:

> 3.
> Charles le Chauve, roi de France, empereur (823-877)
> m. 842, Ermentrude d'Orléans (+ 869)
>
> 4.
> Louis II le Bègue, roi de France (846-879)
> m. 875, AdélaÏde de Paris (885-900)

could Adelaide really have lived from only 885 to 900 and yet have been married in 875? She was an amazing woman indeed!
Will Johnson

jean bunot

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Jun 23, 2004, 10:05:40 PM6/23/04
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WJho...@aol.com wrote in message news:<13859CB3.7777...@aol.com>...

> In a message dated 6/20/2004 3:56:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, magnu...@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > 3.
> > Charles le Chauve, roi de France, empereur (823-877)
> > m. 842, Ermentrude d'Orléans (+ 869)
> >
> > 4.
> > Louis II le Bčgue, roi de France (846-879)
> > m. 875, AdélaĻde de Paris (885-900)

>
> could Adelaide really have lived from only 885 to 900 and yet have been married in 875? She was an amazing woman indeed!
> Will Johnson

I am convinced that you have guessed by now that the slight
chronological discrepency that you kindly took the time to point out
is in fact an innocent typing error. Adélaļde was born around 855/60
(not 885) and died on October 18 900. She was the daughter of one
count Adalhard, missus (877), count palatine (882/84) and count in the
Paris region (890). He was a close relative, maybe a son or
son-in-law, of count Wulfhard and his wife Susanna, a daughter of
count Bégon of Paris and Alpais/Elpheide, abbesse de
Saint-Pierre-le-Bas de Reims, herself possibly an illegitimate
offspring of emperor Louis the Pious.

In any case, thank you for reacting to my post. Adélaļde de Paris,
queen of the West Franks (not yet France) was most certainly an
amazing woman, but not as much as your comment... meant I am sure with
humour...

Jean Bunot

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