Old News? Actor Richard Gere's medival Royal Ancestors?

[Leo]

Thanks to José Verheecke, after the next update of Genealogics there will be at least 4,333 ancestors for the actor Richard Gere. His first (so far) royal ancestor is King Edward I.
So far he has five gateway ancestors.
Leo

[J Cook]

I have a memory of Gary Boyd Roberts writing an article about Royal
ancestors to Richard Gere some years ago.

--Joe C

[John]

If GBR has written on Richard Gere. it must have been just in the past
few years, as there's no mention of a royal descent for him in the
2008 edition of RD600.

I'll be looking forward to Leo's next update - for this and other
changes. How soon will it be, Leo?

[Doug]

See American Ancestors, #74 dated 18 April 2008 by GBR.

Doug Smith

[Wjhonson]

Gere's ancestry is treated by GBR on this URL

http://www.notablekin.org/gbr/gere.htm

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On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:03:57 PM UTC-4, Leo wrote:
Thanks to José Verheecke, after the next update of Genealogics there will be

t least 4,333 ancestors for the actor Richard Gere. His first (so far) royal

ncestor is King Edward I.
So far he has five gateway ancestors.
Leo
See American Ancestors, #74 dated 18 April 2008 by GBR.
Doug Smith

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[Wjhonson]

And more curtly here

http://www.mayflowerhistory.com/Genealogy/famousdescendants.php

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ere's ancestry is treated by GBR on this URL
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n Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:03:57 PM UTC-4, Leo wrote:
Thanks to José Verheecke, after the next update of Genealogics there will be

least 4,333 ancestors for the actor Richard Gere. His first (so far) royal

cestor is King Edward I.
So far he has five gateway ancestors.
Leo

ee American Ancestors, #74 dated 18 April 2008 by GBR.

oug Smith
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[lma...@att.net]

----------- Ive only seen two gateway ancestors with
royal descent listed for Gere:
Oliver Mainwaring & Robert Abell.

And there are doubts about Robert Abell.

Leslie

[John]

Does the doubt concern the descent from Robert Abell to Richard Gere,
or is in the royal descents ascribed to Robert Abell? There seem to
be several RDs for him - are all of them doubtful?

[lma...@att.net]

On Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:34:55 AM UTC-7, John wrote:

> > ----------- Ive only seen two gateway ancestors with
> > royal descent listed for Gere:
> > Oliver Mainwaring & Robert Abell.
> >
> > And there are doubts about Robert Abell.
> >
> > Leslie
>

> Does the doubt concern the descent from Robert Abell to Richard Gere,
> or is in the royal descents ascribed to Robert Abell? There seem to
> be several RDs for him - are all of them doubtful?

No, the question is whether Robert Abell who appeared in
New England in 1630 is the same person of that name who
is of record, starting about 1638.
I believe this has been discussed on this newsgroup a number
of times.

Leslie

[John]

On Apr 13, 2:46 am, lmah...@att.net wrote:
> On Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:34:55 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
> > > ----------- Ive only seen two gateway ancestors with
> > > royal descent listed for Gere:
> > > Oliver Mainwaring &RobertAbell.
>
> > > And there are doubts aboutRobertAbell.
>
> > > Leslie
>

> > Does the doubt concern the descent fromRobertAbellto Richard Gere,
> > or is in the royal descents ascribed toRobertAbell?  There seem to

> > be several RDs for him - are all of them doubtful?
>
> No, the question is whetherRobertAbellwho appeared in

> New England in1630is the same person of that name who

> is of record, starting about 1638.
> I believe this has been discussed on this newsgroup a number
> of times.
>
> Leslie

Thanks for the reminder on the previous discussion of this topic. The
uncertainty about this matter doesn't appear to be fully reflected in
recent compilations which include Robert Abell.

[Brad Verity]

On Apr 13, 9:30 am, John <jhiggins...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the reminder on the previous discussion of this topic.  The
> uncertainty about this matter doesn't appear to be fully reflected in
> recent compilations which include Robert Abell.

John is very right. Here is Vickie Elam White's post to sgm from
September 1999:

"There is a question about a gap in New England records from 1631 to
1638, but GMB [Great Migration Begins] does list Robert as the son of
George and Frances (COTTON) ABELL of Stapenhill, Derbyshire and
Hemington, Leicestershire. There is a cautionary tone, but it appears
that Anderson accepts the line but feels it needs work to strenthen
it. It seems possible that Robert returned to England during this
time. GMB says "One record which may be relevant here comes from the
records of the Providence Island Company. On 6 April 1638 'John Arrat,
his wife and child, Robert Abell, John Clerke, Edmund Fole and Peter
Talbot, sawyer, who were going to New England, say they are willing to
go to Providence.' [Coldham 194]." Anderson says this would account
for Robert's reappearance in New England records in 1638 but doesn't
account for the gap of 1631-1638. He does have a point, yet he still
seems to accept that this Robert ABELL is the son of George and
Frances. I must admit that I am not familiar with the Providence
Island Company. Did the members of this company come from one
particular area of England? If so, it is possible that some as yet
undiscovered records from that area of England would yield clues about
this Robert ABELL. Also perhaps further examination of Hemington,
Leicestershire area records may yield new info. His father's will was
written 8 Sep 1630 and the last firm mention of Robert in New England
was his admission as a freeman on 18 May 1631. Could he have returned
to England in connection with his family's estate? Is there further
mention of him in probate records? Did he return to England to
marry? New England records found so far don't mention his marriage
to Joanna _____ or the birth of his first child, Abraham (although
Abraham was buried in Weymouth in November 1639, so he could have died
a day or so after his birth with only his burial being recorded)."

To date, none of Vickie's questions above have been addressed by any
further research on Robert Abell, the 17th-century New England
innkeeper, or on his purported father George Abell of Hemington,
Leicestershire.

Cheers, ------Brad