artists descended from royalty

[Wjhonson]

Perhaps in DR's new book he could add annual supplementary appendices such as the apparently likely claim that John Varley painter, and his grandson John Varley who also was a painter and also was the Vice President of the London T.S. in 1885, were descended from Charles /Fleetwood/ , Knt, Commander of the Forces in Ireland 1652

Charles himself is of royal blood his shortest path in my database being 13 steps to Richard Plantagenet, Earl of Cornwall and HR Emperor in 1256; son of King John

[Wjhonson]

The mother of John Varley (1850-1933) was a Caroline Roper. Caroline was the second wife of Albert Fleetwood Varley, who was also a painter, in particular of landscapes. At their 1846 marriage, she states that her father Francis Roper was a "clerk in orders". Does this mean he was a priest?

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[Wjhonson]

Although some silly persons have supposed that Caroline was "aged 21" at her marriage, she was not. She was simply "of full age" and therefore at least 21. In fact the 1851 and 61 census confirm that she was born 1815/16. In particular she states specifically that she was born at "The Cloisters, Windsor Castle!"

How peculiar. Perhaps I'm being a bit romantic to think that her father Francis Roper "clerk in orders" might be the exact same person who dying a "minor canon of St George's chapel" Dec 1817 and leaving TEN children with his widow "the youngest only a week old", the *queen* started a subscription for the aid of the family.... I mean what are the odds?

It's fairly likely this might lead to a new royal descent never before fleshed.

[Jim Thompson]

On Sunday, July 15, 2012 3:32:26 PM UTC-4, wjhonson wrote:
> Perhaps in DR's new book he could add annual supplementary appendices such as the apparently likely claim that John Varley painter, and his grandson John Varley who also was a painter and also was the Vice President of the London T.S. in 1885, were descended from Charles /Fleetwood/ , Knt, Commander of the Forces in Ireland 1652

>
> Charles himself is of royal blood his shortest path in my database being 13 steps to Richard Plantagenet, Earl of Cornwall and HR Emperor in 1256; son of King John

Another artist of royal ancestry is Sir Joseph Noel-Paton (1821-1901), Queen's Limner for Scotland (1865). A close relative of his who shared the royal ancestry was the miniaturist Hope James Stewart (1816-1883). They shared numerous descents from King Robert II of Scots, among other monarchs.

[Turenne]

On Monday, July 16, 2012 3:23:58 AM UTC+1, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Sunday, July 15, 2012 3:32:26 PM UTC-4, wjhonson wrote:

> > Perhaps in DR's new book he could add annual supplementary appendices such as the apparently likely claim that John Varley painter, and his grandson John Varley who also was a painter and also was the Vice President of the London T.S. in 1885, were descended from Charles /Fleetwood/ , Knt, Commander of the Forces in Ireland 1652
> >
> > Charles himself is of royal blood his shortest path in my database being 13 steps to Richard Plantagenet, Earl of Cornwall and HR Emperor in 1256; son of King John
>
> Another artist of royal ancestry is Sir Joseph Noel-Paton (1821-1901), Queen's Limner for Scotland (1865). A close relative of his who shared the royal ancestry was the miniaturist Hope James Stewart (1816-1883). They shared numerous descents from King Robert II of Scots, among other monarchs.

Leo has produced a descent for Daniel Chester French (the sculptor - Lincoln Memorial) from Louis IV of France.

Rubens from Louis VI

http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Royal/Notes/rubens.txt

Toulouse Lautrec from Louis VI

http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Royal/Notes/toulouse.txt

Manet from William I

http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Royal/Notes/manet.txt

& Etc

RL

http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Royal/Notes/french.txt

[Wjhonson]

These links go to unsourced lines produced by Matt Humphreys

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Subject: Re: artists descended from royalty

On Monday, July 16, 2012 3:23:58 AM UTC+1, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sunday, July 15, 2012 3:32:26 PM UTC-4, wjhonson wrote:
&gt; Perhaps in DR&amp;#39;s new book he could add annual supplementary

ppendices such as the apparently likely claim that John Varley painter, and his

randson John Varley who also was a painter and also was the Vice President of

he London T.S. in 1885, were descended from Charles /Fleetwood/ , Knt,

ommander of the Forces in Ireland 1652
&gt;
&gt; Charles himself is of royal blood his shortest path in my database being

3 steps to Richard Plantagenet, Earl of Cornwall and HR Emperor in 1256; son of

ing John

Another artist of royal ancestry is Sir Joseph Noel-Paton (1821-1901),

ueen&#39;s Limner for Scotland (1865). A close relative of his who shared the

oyal ancestry was the miniaturist Hope James Stewart (1816-1883). They shared

umerous descents from King Robert II of Scots, among other monarchs.
Leo has produced a descent for Daniel Chester French (the sculptor - Lincoln

emorial) from Louis IV of France.
Rubens from Louis VI
http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Royal/Notes/rubens.txt
Toulouse Lautrec from Louis VI
http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Royal/Notes/toulouse.txt
Manet from William I
http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Royal/Notes/manet.txt
& Etc
RL
http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Royal/Notes/french.txt

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[Wjhonson]

The "Anne Richardson" who was his mother, was not just some bimbo in an alley.
Her father was quite famous in his day.

[Wjhonson]

http://books.google.com/books?id=FccMAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA357&ots=XYF0JDKfmK&dq=%22william%20merchant%20richardson%22&pg=PA357#v=onepage&q=%22william%20merchant%20richardson%22&f=false

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Subject: Re: Daniel Chester French's mother



he "Anne Richardson" who was his mother, was not just some bimbo in an alley.

er father was quite famous in his day.

[Wjhonson]

I wonder if by "Queen" here (Dec 1817) they mean Charlotte who died 11 months later ?
That would seem to make sense

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Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: artists descended from royalty

Although some silly persons have supposed that Caroline was "aged 21" at her marriage, she was not. She was simply "of full age" and therefore at least 21. In fact the 1851 and 61 census confirm that she was born 1815/16. In particular she states specifically that she was born at "The Cloisters, Windsor Castle!"

How peculiar. Perhaps I'm being a bit romantic to think that her father Francis Roper "clerk in orders" might be the exact same person who dying a "minor canon of St George's chapel" Dec 1817 and leaving TEN children with his widow "the youngest only a week old", the *queen* started a subscription for the aid of the family.... I mean what are the odds?

It's fairly likely this might lead to a new royal descent never before fleshed.

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Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: artists descended from royalty

The mother of John Varley (1850-1933) was a Caroline Roper. Caroline was the second wife of Albert Fleetwood Varley, who was also a painter, in particular of landscapes. At their 1846 marriage, she states that her father Francis Roper was a "clerk in orders". Does this mean he was a priest?

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From: Wjhonson <wjho...@aol.com>
To: gen-medieval <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>

Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 12:32 pm
Subject: artists descended from royalty

Perhaps in DR's new book he could add annual supplementary appendices such as
he apparently likely claim that John Varley painter, and his grandson John
arley who also was a painter and also was the Vice President of the London T.S.
n 1885, were descended from Charles /Fleetwood/ , Knt, Commander of the Forces
n Ireland 1652
Charles himself is of royal blood his shortest path in my database being 13

teps to Richard Plantagenet, Earl of Cornwall and HR Emperor in 1256; son of
ing John