Hello All,

     The diary of Richard Symonds is a well known source for studies
 of the struggle between Cromwell and King Charles I in the 1640’s,
 but also supplies some interesting non-military information.  This
 includes a detailed description of the windows of Exeter Cathedral,
 including in some cases the family names of those whose arms are
 depicted, shown as being recorded in 1644.  These are most likely
 the arms of individuals (in most cases, married couples) who were
 benefactors of the cathedral.

     Among the arms depicted, a number of married couples can be
 identified.  These include Sir Nicholas Carew (d. bef 20 Apr 1448)
 and his wife Joan Courtenay ["COURTENAY, with a label of three
 points azure." followed by "Or, three lions passant in pale sable
 [CAREW]."], and Sir William de Montagu (d. 30 Jan 1343/4] and his
 wife Katherine de Grandison ["GRANDISON." followed by
 "MONTACUTE."] [1].  In particular, the arms described in the sixth
 window (p. 85) are of interest, despite having only a partial
 identification provided by the editor:

   " Sixth window:
    A similar coat to the last.
    Argent, three fusils conjoined in fess gules, a bordure sable.
    Or, three lions passant sable.                              
    Gules, three fusils conjoined in fess ermine [DINHAM]. "  [2]

     The first pair of arms are probably those of a gentleman of the
 Carew family ["Or, three lions passant sable."] and his wife; but
 of special interest are those of the second pair of arms.  The male
 of the pair is clearly of the family of Dinham, of Hartland, Devon
 & c.  The arms of the lady in  question ("Argent, three fusils
 conjoined in fess gules, a bordure sable."] are those of Sir John
 de Montagu, Lord Montagu (d. bef 5 Mar 1389/90), younger brother of
 William, 2nd Earl of Salisbury, younger son of Sir William de
 Montagu and Katherine de Grandison (see above) and husband of
 Margaret de Monthermer [3].  

     The pairing of these arms clearly identify (without names) a
 married couple, i.e. a male Dinham and a daughter of Sir John de
 Montagu.  This can only be Sir John de Dinham (d. 25 Dec 1428) and
 his first wife, Eleanor (aka Ellen) de Montagu, the subject of
 several prior SGM threads [4].

     This is the first direct evidence of Sir John de Dinham’s wife
 being identified as a daughter of Sir John de Montagu.  In
 combination with the circumstantial evidence previously provided in
 the SGM posts referenced below,  this identification can now be
 classified as certain.

     Cheers,

                          John *

NOTES

[1]  C. E. Long, ed., Richard Symonds's Diary of the Marches of
     the Royal (New York: Cambridge University Press, 1997), p. 85.

[2]  Ibid.  The complete text of page 85, found at the URL indicated
     below, is as follows:

"  1644.]

Second window:
 Quarterly FRANCE and ENGLAND, a label of three points argent.
 Argent, three fusils conjoined in fess gules.
 COURTENAY, with a label of three points azure.
 Gules, fretty or.
 Or, three lions passant in pale sable [CAREW].

Fourth window:
 Or, a chevron between three escallops azure.
 Argent, two bendlets wavy sable [STAPYLDON].
 Ermine, three chevrons gules.
 Azure, three bends argent.
 Per chevron gules and sable, three keys erect, wards facing
      the dexter side, or.

The picture of a monke:
 Mag'r. Tho. de Hacteley me fecit.

Fifth window:
 Quarterly, FRANCE and ENGLAND.
 The same with a label of three points argent.
 Gules, three lions passant or, a label of three points each
      charged with three fleurs-de-lis or [EARLS and DUKES
      OF LANCASTER].
 Or, a chevron between three escallops azure.
 Azure, three quatrefoils argent.
 FERRERS.
 Per fess gules and azure, three crescents argent.

Sixth window:
 A similar coat to the last.
 Argent, three fusils conjoined in fess gules, a bordure sable.
 Or, three lions passant sable.
 Gules, three fusils conjoined in fess ermine [DINHAM].

These are aloft in the north side of the body of the church:
 A chevron between three keys erect, the wards pointing to the
       dexter side or.
 GRANDISON.
 Argent, three chevrons sable.
 MONTACUTE.
 Argent, three bars gules.

Second window, beginning eastward:
 MONTACUTE, with a bordure sable.
 Argent, a fess sable, a bordure gules.   "

URL  
http://books.google.com/books?ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&id=xe3pX0_tWIwC&pg=...
3Ddinham%2Bmontacute&sig=HekYtNXl7m5uwWlmSLw1En0XvJA

[3] These arms are as described in several sources, including
    Ald S. S. Campion, J.P., "Northampton Town Hall: Its Story Told
    By Itself" (Northampton: W. Mark & Co. Ltd. Printer &
    Publishers, 1925 ) available at

    http://northamptoncastle.homeip.net/northampton/books/town%20hall/boo...

    Also see "Holy Trinity Blackburn, The Ceiling" as described at

    http://members.aol.com/htblackburn/htbceiling.htm

[4] See J. Ravilious, <John Dinham (d. 1428) and his 1st wife, Elen
    [Montagu ?] >, SGM, 21 Feb, 2004.  J. Ravilious, <CP Addition:
    Eleanor (Elena) de Montagu, wife of Sir John de Dinham>, SGM, 27
    March 2004.  J. Ravilious, <The Lady and The Crown>, SGM, 3 Sept
    2005.  Also note that Leo van de Pas’ website,
    http://www.genealogics.org, identifies Eleanor de Montagu as
    indicated (Genealogics # I00387511).

 * John P. Ravilious

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe  t...@powys.org
 For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

     It appears that Symonds chose a particular direction in his
'walk-about' tour of the cathedral, and recorded the arms from that
direction.  I do not believe that the marriages evidenced by the arms
are other than those known or discernible as I indicated: there would
otherwise be a host of 'mirror-image' marriages hitherto unknown.

     Whether these windows (or most of them) are extant or not, I do
not know: perhaps someone else of the list has some familiarity with
Exeter (and the windows in particular) ......?

     Cheers,

                                  John

      Following is an ahnentafel for Muriel Dinham, daughter of Sir
John Dinham and Lady Eleanor (Montagu) Dinham, and wife of Sir Edward
Hastings of Elsing and Gressenhall.  A more detailed AT will be posted
shortly - this is presented for simplicity's sake, to save time for
list members without a 'wholesale' interest in this ancestry.

     Cheers,

                                      John

1  Muriel Dinham.[1],[2]
   died bef 1 Jul 1427.[3]

'Meryell doughter to John Denham'[HSP 16:154-156, Vis. of Yorkshire:
  pedigree of Hastynges[2]]

' Muriel Dinham ', wife of Sir Edward Hastings [Genealogics I00135233
[4]]

identification as daughter of John, Lord Dinham and his first wife
Ellen
 by John Ravilious ('Re: Dinham/Courtenay Correction', Society of
Medieval
 Genealogy, www.rootsweb.com, 1 June 2001][5]

definitive proof of her parentage is given in the pre-nuptial
   settlement, dated 20 Feb 1405-06:
" Pre-nuptial settlement dated 7 Hen IV [20 Feb 1405/06] at
 'Notewill', Devon, between
 Edward Lord of Hastyngges  (1) and
 John de Dynham, knight (2):
"  Agreement between (1) and (2), that (1) shall marry Muriel (2)'s
 daughter, and shall enfeoff certain persons at their choice (a lour
 dieux ellection) with certain lands and tenements, to the value of
 100 marks yearly, in 'which Muriel shall be jointured (iungne)
 during her life, and that she shall be dowered in lands and
tenements to the yearly value of 300 marks along with that
 jointure. For the marriage and jointure, (2) shall pay to (1) 400
 marks (100 marks on the day of the marriage, 100 marks the
 following Michaelmas, and 100 marks yearly at Michaelmas
 until fully paid), provided that she is so jointured; if not, the
 payments shall not be made.
      Seal [fine; of (1) presumably]. [18th century?] "This
 indenture is in French and contains articles of mariage
 between Sr Edward Hastings and the Lady Muriell daughter
 to Sr Johne Dynham."
      - A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne
       and Trerice, AR/37/24 dated 20 Feb 1406[3],[6],[7]

previous publications indicated in error that she was daughter of John,
 Lord Dinham (d. 1382) and his wife Muriel de Courtenay [see Faris, p.
130][8]
 Correctly reported in Douglas Richardson, "Plantagenet Ancestry"[7]

 aft 20 Feb 1405 Muriel married Sir Edward Hastings.[3],[6],[7],[9]

2  John Dinham, of Hartland, Devon & c. [died on 25 Dec 1428.]
3  Eleanor de Montagu [died ca 1394.]

4  John de Dinham, of Hartland, Devon & c.
5  Muriel de Courtenay.
6  John de Montagu, Lord Montagu [died bef 5 Mar 1389.]
7  Margaret de Monthermer, Baroness Monthermer.

8  Sir John de Dinham, of Hartland, Devon.
9  Margaret de Botreaux.
10 Sir Thomas de Courtenay, of Woodhuish and Dunterton, Devon.
11 Muriel de Moels.
12 William de Montagu, Earl of Salisbury [died 30 Jan 1343/4].
13 Katherine de Grandison.
14 Thomas de Monthermer, 2nd Lord Monthermer [k. Battle of Sluys, 24
Jun 1340].
15 Margaret de Braose.

16 Sir Josce de Dinham.
17 Margaret de Hydon.
18 William de Botreaux, of Boscastle, Cornwall.
19 NN.
20 Sir Hugh de Courtenay, Earl of Devon [died on 23 Dec 1340].
21 Agnes de Saint John.
22 Sir John de Moels.
23 Joan Lovel.
24 William de Montagu, Lord Montagu.
25 Elizabeth de Montfort.
26 Sir William de Grandison, Lord Grandison.
27 Sybil de Tregoz.
28 Sir Ralph de Monthermer, Lord Monthermer.
29 Joan 'of Acre' of England. [She m. 1st, Gilbert de Clare]
30 Piers de Braose, of Tetbury, co. Glocs. [died bef 7 Feb 1311.]
31 Agnes.

32 Sir Oliver de Dinham.
33 Isabel de Vere. [m. lstly Sir John de Courtenay]
34 Sir Richard de Hydon.
35 Isabel de Fissacre.
36 William de Botreaux.
37 Dionisia de Champernoun.
38 NN.
39 NN.
40 Sir Hugh de Courtenay, of Oakhampton, Devon. [died on 28 Feb 1291]
41 Eleanor le Despenser.
42 John de Saint John, of Basing, Hants. [died bef 30 Sep 1302.]
43 Alice Fitz Reynold.
44 Sir John de Moels, Lord Moels. [died 20 May 1310]
45 Maud de Grey.
46 Sir Richard Lovel, Lord Lovel. [died 31 Jan 1350/51]
47 Muriel de Soulis.
48 Simon de Montagu, Lord Montagu.
49 Hawise de St. Amand.
50 Piers de Montfort, of Beaudesert, co. Warwick.
51 Matilda de la Mare.
52 Pierre de Grandison.
53 Agnes de Neuchatel.
54 John de Tregoz, Lord Tregoz.
55 Mabel FitzWarin.
56 NN [de Monthermer]
57 NN
58 Edward I, King of England 1272-1307.
59 Eleanor of Castile.
60 Sir William de Braose, Lord Braose. [died bef 6 Jan 1290/1]
61 Mary de Ros.
62 NN.
63 NN.

Hello All,

     Part II of III.

     Cheers,

                       John

___________________________________

         Muriel (Dinham) Hastings:  Ahnentafel  (part II of III)

16 Sir Josce de Dinham.
   Born bef 26 Feb 1274.[9],[43]
   died on 30 Mar 1300, he was 26.[9]

knight, of Hartland, Devon, Buckland Denham, Somerset and Cardinham,
Cornwall[9]
2nd Lord Dinham

'He and w. Margaret hold Hydon and Clyst Manors, Devon, as 6 1/2 Kt.
 Fees, late of Hugh de Curtenay, 24 Mar. 1292 (Inq.)' Knights I:296[44]

he evidently was going on pilgrimage in 1300, before approval of his
 directions issued at Evesham, 25 March 1301:
 '  Letter for Joceus de Dynham, gone beyond seas, nominating Peter de
 Fishacre his attorney for one year. ' [CPR 1292-1301, p. 581[32]]

The inquisitions post mortem for Sir Josce ['Joyce de Dynham'] include:
 ' Cornwall.  Inq. 20 June, 29 Edw. I [1301].
     Cardynan.  The manor...including two birds' worth 6d. at Michaelmas,
 the pasture of Greneburgh, land in Treuerdre, lands held by the prior of
 Trewerdray and 6s. 8d. rent for the moor of Fouwy, held of the king in
 chief, together with the manors of Botardel and Douneghny in the same
 county, by the service of 32 little knights' fees.'[45] [cited in brief
 by Dugdale, Baronage of England[43]]

Assignment [ " to Thomas, bishop of Exeter, Hugh, abbot of Hayles, William
 de Bereford and Walter de Aylesbury, executors of the will of Edmund, earl
 of Cornwall, the king's kinsman, in part payment of the king's indebtedness
 to the earl of 9,480 1/2 marks 10 1/4d.," ] of custody of his lands during
 the minority of his heir, made at Peebles [Scot.] 2 Aug. 1301:
' from 8 September next, and during the minority of the heirs, of two parts
 of the lands late of Joyce de Dynham, tenant in chief, together with the
 marriage of the heirs, worth 2,000 marks; saving to the king knights' fees,
 &c., as above.
  By K[ing]., on the information of W., bishop of Coventry and Lichfield.
 Mandate in pursuance to Walter de Gloucestre, escheator beyond Trent.
  Mandate to Margery, late the wife of the said Joyce, to deliver the body
 of the heir of the said Joyce, which is said to be in her custody, to the
 said executors to be married. ' [CPR 1292-1301, p. 603[32]]

cf. CP IV:372[9]
    Richardson p. 284[9]

 bef 24 Mar 1292 when Sir Josce was 18, he married Margaret de Hydon.[44]

17 Margaret de Hydon.
   died on 15 May 1357.[9]
   Buried in St. Katherine's chapel, Hemyock, Devon.[42]

had the manor of Hemyock, Devon as her maritagium or inheritance[46]

grant of gift of the marriage of Margaret de Hydon, heiress of Sir Richard
 de Hydon, by Hugh de Courtenay to Sir Oliver de Dinham, dated  12 Apr 1288
 (Monday before Sts Tiburtius and Valerian, 16 Edw [I]); at Notewill [Nutwell
 Court] - A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
 [AR/17 - AR/50], Dinham: AR/37/5[3]

she and her husband Josce de Dinham held ' Hydon and Clyst
 Manors, Devon, as 6 1/2 Kt. Fees, late of Hugh de
  Curtenay, 24 Mar. 1292 (Inq.)' Knights I:296[44]

'Thomas de Whiteleye was later instituted as rector of Hemyock in 1321,
 patron Margaret de Dynham (Register of Bishop Stapledon, 1308-26 p. 221). '
 -  A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
 [AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121][3]

' Lady Margaret who was wife of Sir John de Dyneham, knight ',
 gave the manor of Bodardel, Cornwall to her grandson John, Lord
 Dinham under Agreement for adjustment of dower, 29 Mar 1343
 [Saturday after Annunciation, 23 Edw III ]
-  A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
 [AR/1/1 - AR/1/527] , AR/1/397[3]

Note: record of a petition to the Pope, Jul 1346, concerns Margaret de
 Botreaux, her daughter-in-law, as it identifies her 'legitimate sons,
 John de Dynham, knight, and Oliver de Dynham ' [Papal Petition I:114[21],
 cites f. 117].  Margaret de Hydon's son Sir John had died in 1332, so this
 could not have been her petition.

'Dame Margaret de Uredale [sic]', held the manor and advowson of Moreleigh,
 1350; 1354 [F. B. Prideaux, Gen. Mag. VII:537, cites Episcopal Registers
 of Exeter[47]]

 'In the late 13th Century, Margaret Hidon inherited the Manors of Hemyock
 and Clayhidon from her father Sir Richard Hidon, and the Manors of
 Morleigh and Storridge from her mother Isabel (née Fisacre).'[49]
[cf. F. B. Prideaux, Gen. Mag. VII:537, re: manor and advowson of
Moreleigh[47]]

cf. CP IV:372[9]
     Richardson p. 284[42]

18 William de Botreaux.
   Born bef 1275.[50]
   died ca 1342, he was 67.[9]

of Boscastle, Cornwall

b. before 1275 (acc. to Maclean, p. 634, his father died in 1302,
  " succeeded by his son and heir William (VI), then aged
    27 and more."[50])

Charters for a market ( Thur ) and fair (vfm, Assumption - 15 Aug) at
 Lelant, Cornwall granted by King Edward II to William son of William
 de Botereux, 25 Aug 1296: 'To be held at the manor '
(CChR, 1257–1300, p. 465).[15]

assessment of a feudal aid, for the hundred of Kynemerdeston, Somerset in
1303:
' Willelmus Botreaux et Johannes Page tenent un. f. in Babington de Thoma
 Appadam [ap Adam]. ' [Feudal Aids IV:310[22]]

' Wm. de Botriaus ', witness to a grant by Henry de Bodrugan, dated at
 Bodrugan, 28 January 1306 [ A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Edgcumbe of
 Cotehele and Mount Edgcumbe [ME/1 - ME/1539], ME/642[3]]

Charters for a market ( Wed ) and fair (vfm, James the Apostle - 25 Jul) at
 Boscastle, Cornwall granted by King Edward II to William son of William
 de Botereux, 16 Aug 1312: 'To be held at the manor ' (CChR, 1300–26,
 p. 194).[15]

 F (Prescriptive) feria recorded 1302, held by William de Botereus (QW,
p. 108). William successfully claimed that his ancestors had held the fair
from time out of mind. '[15]

' William de Botriaux , witness together with Henry de Champernoun and
 others to a Lease for term of 5 years [grant of wardship of land during
 minority] by John de Wylyngton, lord of Conerton, to Sir Thomas
 l'Ercedekne 'by reason of the minority of the son of John de Arundel ',
 dated at Launceston, Friday after Trinity, 6 Edw II  (15 Jun 1313) [A2A,
 Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
 [AR/4/1 - AR/4/1003], AR/4/347[3]]

      Genealogics #I00177716[4]

cf. CP I:241[9]

20 Sir Hugh de Courtenay.
   died on 23 Dec 1340, he was 64.[20]
   Born on 14 Sep 1276.[51],[9]
   Buried in Cowick priory, near Exeter, Devon.[51]
   Occupation: Earl of Devon.

of Oakhampton [Okehampton], Devon (succeeded father 28 Feb 1291/92).
Succeeded cousin Isabel, Countess of Aumale and Devon, in Reviers estates
 not then alienated, 10 Nov 1293.

' Hughe de Courteneye  ', knight, serving with the army of King Edward I
 in Scotland; fought at the Battle of Falkirk, 22 July 1298
  : his arms are recorded as
    ' Or three torteaux a label azure ' (Falkirk Roll H115[52])

Summoned to Parliament from 6 Feb 1298/99 to 24 Jul 1334 by writs directed
 'Hugoni de Curtenay', whereby held to have become Lord Courtenay.

assessment of a feudal aid, for the hundred of Kynemerdeston, Somerset in
1303:
' Hugo de Curtenay tenet de domino rege i. c. di. f. in Hemyngton. '
 [Feudal Aids IV:310[22]]

acquired lands in Woodhuish, Devon for his son Robert (who
 evidently d.v.p.; then were given to son Thomas):
' Hugh [de] Curteney ', deforciant in a fine of  8 Edw II [Trinity term, 1315
]:
  Final concord between Thomas de Cyrencestr' and Emma his wife,
   claimants (1)-(2) and Hugh [de] Curteney, deforciant (3) :
   " (1)-(2), through John le Palmere in (2)'s place, against (3), concerning
     1 messuage, 1 mill, 2 carrucates of land, 3 acres of meadow, 6 acres
     of wood and 1 lb of cummin rent, in Wodehywish, Lidewyston
    [Boohay, in Brixham parish] and Reftercumbe [Raddicombe, in
     Brixham parish]. (1) acknowledged them to be the right of (3),
     as by (1)'s gift; and for this (3) granted them to (1)-(2), to hold
     of the chief lords of the fee, by services belonging, during their
     lives; with remainder, after their deaths, to Robert son of (3)
     and his heirs of body; in default of such heirs, remainder to
    Thomas, Robert's brother, and his heirs.
       { Found stuck to 19th-century wrapper with AR/1/642. }
   -  A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
   [AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121], AR/1/643[3]

~ Robert d. without heirs, and the lands of Woodhuish were inherited
  by Thomas de Courtenay as remainderman [see #10 above]

' Hugh de Courteneye ', summoned for military service 20 February
 1324/5 - to appear at Portsmouth 'mounted and armed' - in France, by
 letters under privy seal of King Edward II [ Foedera, pp. 591-2[34]]

By letters patent 22 Feb 1334/35, King Edward III declared him Earl of
Devon[9]

In 1292 when Sir Hugh was 15, he married Agnes de Saint John.[9]

21 Agnes de Saint John.
   died on 11 Jun 1345.[20]
   Buried in Cowick, near Exeter.[51]

22 Sir John de Moels.
   Born bef 17 Sep 1304.[44],[9]
   died in d.s.p.m.  bef 21 Aug 1337, he was 32.[9]
   Occupation: Lord Moels.

of Maperton and North Cadbury, Somerset, King's Carswell, Diptford and
 Langford, Devon and Over Worton, co. Oxon[9]
4th Lord Moels (succeeded brother Roger, 3rd Lord)[9]

b. aft 8 May 1302 [King Edward I presented to the living at Maperton,
 Somerset 8 May 1323, in minority of the heir of Roger de Moels, d. 1316]
 and before 17 Sept 1304 [livery of the lands of Roger de Moels to his
 brother John, 17 Sept 1325 - Close Rolls] - Knights III:161[44]

Sir John married Joan Lovel.

23 Joan Lovel.

cf. CP VIII:205 [sub _Lovel_ ][9]

24 William de Montagu.
   died on 18 Oct 1319 in Gascony.[39]
   Occupation: Lord Montagu.

of Shipton Montague, Somerset

served in the siege of Stirling, May 1304
knighted with Prince Edward, 22 May 1306
2nd Lord Montagu

cf. CP IX: 80-2[9]

seneschal of Gascony, 20 Nov 1318-18 Oct 1319 (CP IX:81-2)[9]

 aft 20 Jun 1292 William married Elizabeth de
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Hello All,

     Part III of IV [originally intended as last of III].

     Cheers,

                       John

___________________________________

         Muriel (Dinham) Hastings:  Ahnentafel  (part III of IV)

32 Sir Oliver de Dinham.
   Born bef 26 Dec 1234.[9],[43]
   died on 26 Feb 1298, he was 63.[9]
   Buried in Church of the Black Friars, Exeter.[51]
   Occupation: Lord Dinham.

knt., of Hartland, Nutwell and Ilsington, Devon, Buckland Denham,
 Somerset and Cardinham, Cornwall

purchased the manors of Nutwell and Harpford, Devon from the monks of Dinan,
 1273 [Chope p. 424[26], cites Les Dinan, 175]

' Oliver de Dynam ', had charters for a Tuesday market, and fair (to be held
 at the Feast of St. Necton, 17 June) at Hartland, granted 3 July 1281 by
 King Edward I, ' to Oliver de Dynam. To be held at the manor of Herctone '
 (CChR, 1257–1300, p. 253) [On 9 May 1393, K Ric II confirmed to John Dynham,
 kinsman and heir of Oliver Dynham, now tenant of the manor, the grant of a
 market to Oliver Dynham in 1281 (CPR, 1391–6, p. 262).'][15][cf. inspeximus
 and confirmation, CPR 16 Ric II, Part III, pp. 262-3[10]]

' Sir Oliver de Dinham ', witness (together with Sir Ralph Pippard and others)
 to a charter of Edmund, earl of Cornwall to the brethren of the church at
 Esserugge, confirmed at Swanston, 5 Nov 1285 [CCR 13 Edw I  II:324-5, mem
 2[60]]

' Oliver de Dynham ', had charters for a  fair (to be held at the Feast of
 St. Andrew, 30 Nov) at Hartland, granted 20 Feb 1286 by King Edward I,
 ' to Oliver de Dynham. To be held at the manor  ' (CChR, 1257–1300, p. 329)
 [On 9 May 1393, K Ric II confirmed to John Dynham, kinsman and heir of
 Oliver Dynham, now tenant of the manor, the grant of a fair to Oliver Dynham
 in 1286 (CPR, 1391–6, p. 262).'][15]

'Oliver de Dinant ', knight
  : his arms are recorded ca. 1285 as
    ' Gules a fess indented ermine ' (St. George's Roll E126[61])

Double (mutual) grant and quitclaim dated St Nicholas, 16 Edw I [6 Dec 1287],
 between Desiderata who was wife of Peter Stoel  (1) and
 Oliver de Dynam  (2):
     Bipartite indenture: (1) to (2), grant and quitclaim of all her right
       in the lands and tenements of Scepwasse and Oppechote, with
       all homages, rents and services, etc., of free and bond men of
       Scepwasse  [ Sheepwash ] and Oppekote [Upcott, in
       Sheepwash parish], and the homage, rent and services of Robert
        de Stokhaye, John de Steueneston, Walter de Kotingechote and
        William de Sordechote [Swaddicott, in Sheepwash parish], and
       all appurtenances and escheats from them; for (2) and his heirs
       to hold of (1) freely and hereditarily for ever; rent to (1) 1 rose
        at the Nativity of St John Baptist, for all services, suits and
       demands; warranty.
          For this, (2) has granted and quitclaimed to (1) all his right  
       in the demesne of Oppecote, and all his right by gift of Robert
       Cnoel of the tenements currently held by Joan de Horton (que
        Johanna de Horton tenet) as dower in Oppecote, Scepwasse
        [ Sheepwash ], Esse and Braworth'; (2) has also granted to
       (1) and her heirs for ever the land currently held by Joel de
       Badek'weye, with his services, and the land currently held by
        Richard de Oppecote and the relict of John the Smith (fabri);
        rent to (2) 13s silver yearly at 4 terms, for all service and
       demand except foreign and royal service; warranty.
         Witnesses:  Sir Robert de Dynam, Sir Peter de Fissacre,
       Sir Peter de Chalouns, Sir Ralph son of Richard, Sir Richard
        de Poltimore, knights, William le Graunt, Baldwin de
        Specote, Richard Coffin, Philip Giffard.
          Slits for tag of seal; [medieval] "Schepwas".
 - A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
  [AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121], AR/1/627[3] [Oliver de Dinham called 'Sir
   George Oliver, Monasticon Dioecesis Exoniensis de Dynam' in error -
   insertion of name of noted author, w/ 'Oliver' in his name]

had grant of gift of the marriage of Margaret de Hydon, heiress of Sir Richard
 de Hydon, dated  12 Apr 1288 (Monday before Sts Tiburtius and Valerian,
 16 Edw [I]); at Notewill [Nutwell Court, Woodbury]:
Grant of gift of marriage:
Hugh de Curteney, lord of Ok'ton = (1)
Sir Oliver de Dynam = (2)
  (1) to (2), for £100 silver, the right to give Margaret, daughter and heir
 of Sir Richard de Hydon, in marriage, until she is of full age; warranty.
   [Witnesses :]  Sir Henry de Ralegh, Sir Richard de Poltimore, Sir Robert
 de Dynam, Sir Peter de Chalons, Sir Thomas Franceys, Sir Thomas Gona, Sir
 Roger de Logys.
  Seal. [18th century?] Grant from Hugh Courtenay lord of Occkhampton unto
 sr Olliver of the marriage of Margaret daughter and heiress of Richard
 Heydon for 100 li. silver.  
    National Register of Archives. List C, no 325.' [A2A, Cornwall Record
 Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice [AR/17 - AR/50], Dinham: AR/37/5[3]
]

entered into agreement with his stepson Sir Hugh de Courtenay re: his rights
 to the dower of his deceased wife, Lady Isabel (de Vere) de Courtenay,
 7 Jan 1290/1 [CP IV:323[9] says in error, she was 'living Feb. 1298/9'][62]:
  ' Resolution of dispute dated Morrow of Epiphany, 19 Edw I (7 Jan 1290/1):
Sir Hugh de Cortenay = (1)
Sir Oliver de Dynham = (2)
Resolution of disagreements between (1), heir and principal
 executor of testament of Sir John de Cortenay (deceased),
 plaintiff, and (2), executor of the testament of Lady Isabel
 de Cortenay (deceased), concerning debts touching both testaments,
 towards the lord king or anyone else, and concerning purchases of
 clearance (excirpamenti) and waste, houses (domorum), parks,
 woods, and all tenements or men which (2) and Lady Isabel,
 (1)'s mother, held of (1)'s inheritance as dower in Lady Isabel's
 name, thus. (2) is bound to (1) in £100, to be paid at dates to
 be arranged, for all debts and purchases touching the testaments
 or wastes;
     Concerning the remainder of (1)'s petition, both (1) and (2) are
 subject to the order of Peter [Quinel], Bishop of Exeter, and of
 the dean of Exeter, thus. Whatever sum the bishop and dean shall
 decide that (2) should pay to (1) in excess of the said £100, he
 is bound to (1) in that exactly; and if they decide nothing, then
 he is not bound in any further sum. With this reservation, that
 (1) shall allow to (2) as part payment whatever he shall receive
 from the goods of Lady Isabel through the hands of her executors,
 and whatever else would rightly be assigned to (2).
      (1) releases to (2) and his co-executors, on behalf of himself and
 his co-executors of testament of Sir John de Cortenay, the said
 actions and all others which might arise from that testament, and
 are bound to indemnify (2) and his co-executors as regards it.
        (2) binds himself and his heirs to make the payment and keep the
 agreement. (2) is also bound to restore to (1) the value of all
 autumn works which he had after the death of Lady Isabel in her
 dower lands for collecting corn and helping.
      Seal [broken]. [Contemporary?] "Scriptum allocat' solutori et
 soluendo".  [A2A,  Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
  [AR/17 - AR/50], AR/37/6[3]]

summoned to Parliament from 24 Jun 1295, writ directed 'Olivere de Dynham',
 held thereby to have become Lord Dinham[9]
2nd husband of Isabel de Vere, widow of John de Courtenay(d. 3 May 1274);
 m. before 24 Jan 1276/77

cf. CP IV:323[9]

 bef 24 Jan 1276 when Sir Oliver was 41, he married Isabel de Vere.[9]

33 Isabel de Vere.
   died bef 7 Jan 1290.[62],[3],[9]
   Buried in Church of the Black Friars, Exeter.[51]

she m. lstly Sir John de Courtenay,
       2ndly Sir Oliver de Dinham[9]
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her identification as the mother of Sir Josce de Dinham was
 shown by Douglas Richardson:
'A few years after the death of Sir Oliver de Dynham, his son, Josce's
son and heir, John de Dynham, came of age.  This took place in 1316.
Shortly before John obtained livery of his father's lands, Hugh de
Courtenay (grandson of Isabel de Vere) wrote a letter to William de
Airmyn dated c. September 1316, in which he requested assistance for
his kinsman, John de Dynham, now of age, in obtaining seisin of his
lands [Reference: List of Ancient Correspondence, Lists and Indexes,
No. XV, reprinted 1968, pg. 552; cf. Index to Ancient Correspondence
of the Chancery and the Exchequer, 1 (Lists and Indexes, Supplementary
Series, No. XV) (reprinted 1969), pp. 308, 351].  The King
subsequently took John de Dynham's homage, and he had livery of his
father's lands, 18 October 1316.'[33]

The relationship between John de Dinham and Hugh de Courtenay was that
 of first cousins (of the half-blood):

  Sir John de Courtenay  =  Isabel de Vere  =  Sir Oliver de Dinham
   of Okehampton         I    d. bef        I    of Hartland, Devon
   d. 3 May 1273         I   7 Jan 1290/91  I    d. 26 Feb 1298/99
      ___________________I                  I___
      I                                        I
   Hugh de Courtenay  =  Eleanor le      Sir Josce     =  Margaret
 d. b 28 Feb 1291/92  I   Despenser    de Dinham       I   de Hydon
      ________________I             d. 30 Mar 1300/01  I
      I                                     ___________I
      I                                     I
 Sir Hugh de   =  Agnes de       Sir John de Dinham  =  Margaret de
  Courtenay        St. John      d. bef 15 Apr 1332      Botreaux
 Earl of Devon                                        
   d. 1340    

previously, based on chronology in CP, Isabel de Vere was not identified
 as the mother of Josce de Dinham[9]
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her dower included Newton Poppleford, Devon and 'Aylebeare': concerning
which, her son Hugh de Courtenay had evidently contested her rights.
' In 1281–2, Hugh de Curtenay ...

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     Part IV of IV (including notes).

     Cheers,

                       John

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         Muriel (Dinham) Hastings:  Ahnentafel  (part III of IV)

48 Simon de Montagu.
   died on 26 Sep 1316.[9]
   Occupation: Lord Montagu.

of Shipton Montague, Somerset

' Symon de Montagu ', knight, serving with the army of King Edward I in
Scotland
fought at the Battle of Falkirk, 22 July 1298
  : his arms are recorded as
    ' Quarterly first and fourth argent three fusils conjoined
  gules second and third azure a griffin segreant or  ' (Falkirk Roll H94[52])

'  Simon Dns de Monte Acuto  ',  fifty-sixth of the barons who sealed the
 Barons' Letter to the Pope, February 1301 (in response to the Scots letter
 to Boniface VIII in 1298, defying the claimed English superiority) following
 the Parliament at Lincoln, 13-20 Jan 1300/1[57]

Summoned to Parliament from 29 Dec 1299 to 16 Oct 1315 by writs directed
 'Simoni de Monte Acuto,' held thereby to have become Lord Montagu[9]

 ca 1270 Simon married Hawise de St. Amand[9].[9]

49 Hawise de St. Amand.[9]

1st wife[9]

re: Amauri de Saint Amand,
' In 1270, for his da. Hawise, he bought the marriage of Simon, s. and
 h. of William de Montagu;....' [CP Vol. XI -Saint Amand, p. 297n][9]

NOTE: mother of William de Montagu claimed in some sources (deemed erroneous)
 to be Aufrica of Man

50 Piers de Montfort.[39]
   Born abt 1240.
   died  bef 4 Mar 1286, he was 46.[9]

of Beaudesert, co. Warwick

Fought at Evesham for Simon de Montfort, 4 Aug 1265 (taken prisoner; subseq.
 restored to part of father's lands).
On pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela, 1271/72 and again 1274/75[9]

 aft 1264 when Piers was 24, he married Matilda de la Mare.[70],[9]

51 Matilda de la Mare. Born  aft 1251.[70]

identified by Douglas Richardson as the daughter of Sir Henry de la Mare
 (not his son Matthew) by his wife Joan de Neville, dau. of John de Neville
 of Hallingbury, Essex:
 ' "Pro Matilli filia Henrici de la Mare. - Rex Willelmo de Wenling',
escaetori suo citra Trentam, salutem.  Monstravit nobis Matildis filia
Henrici de la Mare quod, cum dudum contulissemus eidem Henrico
custodiam terrarum Willelmi Ortye defuncti qui de nobis tenuit in
capite habendam sibi et assignatis suis cum feodis militum, wardis et
aliis ad dictam custodiam pertinentibus, et idem Henricus dudum ante
mortem suam custiodiam illam assignasset eidem Matildi habendam usque
ad legitimam etatem heredem ejusdem Willelmi ..."

Briefly, the above text states that the king had formerly granted the
lands of William de Lorty deceased to Henry de la Mare, which Henry
during his life had assigned to his daughter, Maud, to have until the
lawful age of the heir of the said William de Lorty.  Since no husband
is mentioned for Maud in this record, I assume she was unmarried at
the date this document was recorded.  Typically, a husband would be
named if one existed.  We know from other records that Maud was
definitely a minor in 1260.  If we assume that Maud was still an
unmarried minor in 1265, this might suggest that she was born in or
about 1252.  Maud and her husband, Peter de Montfort, had their first
known child in or about 1271, so a marriage date of between 1265 and
1271 for Maud and Peter would surely be acceptable.

Although there may be another grant involved, it appears that Henry de
la Mare obtained the lands of William de Lorty deceased in 1256 on the
payment of a fee of 100 marks a year at the Exchequer.  The grant does
not mention William de Lorty's lands, rather the wardship "falling in
land to that yearly value" late of Sabina de Lorty.  That Henry de la
Mare, the royal justice, is the person who obtained the Lorty
properties is indicated by the fact that Henry was then stated to be
in the king's "service," and then when he was in Gascony, he "gave
commandment to the queen and R[ichard] earl of Cornwall, guardians of
the realm."  Elsewhere, the king states that he is about to send Henry
on a message to the court of Rome [Reference: Calendar of Patent
Rolls, 1247-1258 (1908), pp. 463, 478].  The records show that during
his career, Henry de la Mare the justice made several trips abroad for
the king. '[70]

the manor of Ashtead, co. Surrey was her maritagium or inheritance[71]

identified previously in error as daughter of Matthew de la Mare:
 Regarding Sir Peter's marriage, Complete Peerage states,
"He married circa 1260 Maud, daughter and heiress of Matthew,
 son of Henry de la Mare, with whom he has Ashtead in Surrey."
 [CP IX:127][9] ( see also R. Borthwick[71] and Kay Allen[72])

~ this results from evident confusion with the de la Mare family
 of Bradwell, Essex.  Chris Phillips advises of the following record,
' A pedigree in De Banco R. 926, m. 427, cited both for the marriage of
Peter and Matilda, and for her being the daughter of Matthew son of Henry. I
believe this equates to the modern reference CP 40/926, which remarkably
enough is a plea roll from Michaelmas 9 Henry VII [1493]. If I've got that
right it means that in this instance CP has, bizarrely, preferred the
evidence of a pedigree recorded more than two centuries after the event, to
two contemporary records placing Maud as the daughter of Henry.'[73]

52 Pierre de Grandison.
   Born abt 1190.
   died on 31 Aug 1263, he was 73.[9]

lord of Grandison (Suisse)

Pierre married Agnes de Neuchatel.

53 Agnes de Neuchatel.

or, Neuenberg zu Nidau[74]

54 John de Tregoz.
   died on 21 Aug 1300.[9]
   Occupation: Lord Tregoz.[9]

of Ewyas Harold and Eaton Tregoz, co. Hereford and Lydiard Tregoze and
 Allington, Wilts.[9]

evidently received the lordship of Lambourn Hundred, co. Berks with his
 wife (held by him in 1274 - Meisel, p. 96[54]

summoned to Parliament by writ from 26 Jan 1296/97, whereby held to be
 Lord Tregoz;  fought at Falkirk, 1298; d.s.p.m.  [9]

2nd husband of Mabel FitzWarin (IPM of Mabel Tregoz, cited by Rosie Bevan)[75]

55 Mabel FitzWarin.
   died bef 24 May 1297.[9],[53]

had part of the lordship of Lambourn Hundred, co. Berks as her maritagium :

          ‘ Fulk Fitz Warin acknowledges that he gave, conceded and
          by his charter confirmed to Mabil, his daughter, for homage
          and her service, his entire manor of Lambourn with all
          appurtenances, to have and hold for herself and the heirs
          of her body of Fulk and his heirs freely, quietly, etc.,
          saving religious service, as is described in his charter.’
          [Meisel, p. 96, citing records of King's Bench for 1249[54]
___________________________

concerning proof of her parentage, Douglas Richardson wrote:
' For evidence that Mabel Fitz Warin was heiress of her mother, Clarice
de Auberville, I find that Mabel and her husband, Sir John Tregoz, were
granted free warren of Iden and I[s]ham, Sussex 11 June 1271. '
[Douglas Richardson, cites Moor, Knights of Edward I 5 (H.S.P. 84) (1932)]

probably m. 1stly, William de Crevequer in 1249;
         m. 2ndly John de Tregoz (say 1255-1260 ?)[76]

she held the manor of Weston, co. Beds. in dower at her death
(IPM 24 May 1297, cited by Rosie Bevan)[53]

58 Edward I 'Longshanks' of England.
   Born on 17 Jun 1239 in Westminster Palace.[8]
   died in Burgh-on-the-Sands, England on 7 Jul 1307, he was 68.[8]
   Occupation: King of England,  1272-1307.

'Edward Long-Shanks'
King of England 1272-1307

Participant in the Crusade of 1270 [leader of the English forces[7]]

famous (or infamous) for his attempt to subjugate Scotland (popularly
 called "the Hammer of the Scots")

married 1stly Eleanor of Castile,
        2ndly Marguerite of France[8]

In Oct 1254 when Edward  I 'Longshanks' was 15, he married Eleanor of
 Castile, in Las Huelgas, Castile.[8]

59 Eleanor of Castile.
   Born in 1241 in Castile.[8]
   died in Harby, Lincolnshire on 28 Nov 1290, she was 49.[8]
   Buried in Westminster Abbey.

inherited County of Ponthieu on her mother's death, 1279[77]

accompanied her husband in the Crusade of 1270
 (her daughter Joan born at Acre, hence her name)[9]

60 Sir William de Braose.
   died bef 6 Jan 1290, he was 65.[9]
   Born  bef 15 Jul 1224.[78]
   Occupation: Lord Braose.

of Bramber, Sussex and Gower
summoned to Parliament of April - May 1290 by writ directed 'Willelmo
 de Breuse' or 'Brehuse' [spelling from summons to attend King at
 Shrewsbury, 28 June 1283], whereby he may be held to have become Lord
 Braose or Breuse[9]

received grant of manor of Bramley, Surrey from his brother Richard, 1271

He confirmed the grants made by his father of the rents of cottages in
 Tetbury to the priory at Aconbury, founded in memory of Maud de St Valery
 by her daughter Margaret[79]

 bef 1272 when Sir William was 47, he married Mary de Ros.[9]

61 Mary de Ros. Mary died  bef 23 May 1326.[9]

3rd wife[9]

1.  David Faris, "Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists," Baltimore:
    the Genealogical Pub. Company, 1st ed.
2. "The Visitation of Yorkshire," Harleian Soc., William Flower, Esquire,
    Norroy King of Arms, Harleian Series, Vol. 16, Mitchell  and Hughes,
    Printers, London, 1881, pp. 154-156: pedigree of Hastings of Elsing
    ('Hastynges..' of Fenwick, co. Yorks.), 'The Visitation of Yorkshire
    in the Years 1563 and 1564'.
3. "Access to Archives,"     http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
4. "Genealogics," website by Leo van de Pas, http://www.genealogics.com
5.  John P. Ravilious, "Re: Dinham/Courtenay Correction," 1 June 2001,
    GEN-MEDIEVA...@rootsweb.com.
6.  John P. Ravilious, "CP Addition: Muriel Dinham, daughter of John, Lord
    Dinham (d. 1428)," 20 February 1404, email     ther...@aol.com, cites A2A,
    Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice, AR/37/24.
7.  Douglas Richardson, "Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and
    Medieval Families," Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2004.
8.  David Faris, "Plantagenet Ancestry of
...

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Sunday, 18 December, 2005

Hello All,

     This is the detailed AT for Muriel Dinham, promised in my last
 post in this thread.  I hope this is found to be useful.

     Cheers,

                           John

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         Muriel (Dinham) Hastings:  Ahnentafel  (part I - A of IV)

1  Muriel Dinham.[1],[2]
   died bef 1 Jul 1427.[3]

'Meryell doughter to John Denham'[HSP 16:154-156, Vis. of Yorkshire:
  pedigree of Hastynges[2]]

' Muriel Dinham ', wife of Sir Edward Hastings [Genealogics I00135233
[4]]

identification as daughter of John, Lord Dinham and his first wife
Ellen
 by John Ravilious ('Re: Dinham/Courtenay Correction', Society of
Medieval
 Genealogy, www.rootsweb.com, 1 June 2001][5]

definitive proof of her parentage is given in the pre-nuptial
   settlement, dated 20 Feb 1405-06:
" Pre-nuptial settlement dated 7 Hen IV [20 Feb 1405/06] at
 'Notewill', Devon, between
 Edward Lord of Hastyngges  (1) and
 John de Dynham, knight (2):
"  Agreement between (1) and (2), that (1) shall marry Muriel (2)'s
 daughter, and shall enfeoff certain persons at their choice (a lour
 dieux ellection) with certain lands and tenements, to the value of
 100 marks yearly, in 'which Muriel shall be jointured (iungne)
 during her life, and that she shall be dowered in lands and
tenements to the yearly value of 300 marks along with that
 jointure. For the marriage and jointure, (2) shall pay to (1) 400
 marks (100 marks on the day of the marriage, 100 marks the
 following Michaelmas, and 100 marks yearly at Michaelmas
 until fully paid), provided that she is so jointured; if not, the
 payments shall not be made.
      Seal [fine; of (1) presumably]. [18th century?] "This
 indenture is in French and contains articles of mariage
 between Sr Edward Hastings and the Lady Muriell daughter
 to Sr Johne Dynham."
      - A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne
       and Trerice, AR/37/24 dated 20 Feb 1406[3],[6],[7]

previous publications indicated in error that she was daughter of John,
 Lord Dinham (d. 1382) and his wife Muriel de Courtenay [see Faris, p.
130][8]
 Correctly reported in Douglas Richardson, "Plantagenet Ancestry"[7]

 aft 20 Feb 1405 Muriel married Sir Edward Hastings.[3],[6],[7],[9]

2 John Dinham.[2]
  Born aft 3 Jul 1359 in Devon.[10],[11],[9]
  died on 25 Dec 1428, he was 69.[9]
  Buried in Kingskerswell church, Devon.[12]

knight, of Hartland, Devon, Buckland Denham, Somerset and Cardinham,
Cornwall
5th Lord Dinham
held heir to uncle Hugh Courtenay, per Inq.p.m., 12 Aug 1369[9]

a minor on 3 July 1380:
   ' Presentation of Thomas de Eyton, parson of the church of Great
   Shelford, in the diocese of Ely, to the church of Southpole, in
   the diocese of Exeter, in the king's gift by reason of the
   minority of John de Dynham, son and heir of Muriel, daughter
   and one of the heirs of Thomas de Courteneye, tenant in chief,
   on an exchange of benefices with William de Donnebrugge. '
  [Calendar of Patent Rolls, Richard II, Vol. 1 (1377-81), p.
524.[11],[10]]

' Dominum Johannem Dynham, juniorem, Militem, et Elenam ejus uxorem ',
 named in a mandate of Bishop Thomas Brantyngham of Exeter dated Feb
 1379/80 [Brantyngham I:418[14]]

licence dated 14 July 1382 for his wife, Lady Eleanor to celebrate the
divine
 service in a chapel or oratory at Kitton [Brantyngham I:472, dated
1382[14]]

 'Dominus Johannes de Dynham, Miles, et Elianora uxor sua ', had
licence
 from Bishop Brantyngham to celebrate divine services in a chapel in
their
 manor of Kingskerswell [ 'infra Manerium suum de Carswelle Regis '],
dated
 3 Jan 1383/4 [Brantyngham I:504[14]]

entered into agreement with Edward Hastings for marriage to
 his daughter Muriel Dinham: Pre-nuptial settlement dated 7 Hen IV
 [20 Feb 1405/06; A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne
 and Trerice, AR/37/24 dated 20 Feb 1406[3],

buried Kingskerswell, Devon (together with his first and second
wives)[12]

he m. 1stly Eleanor (or Elena[9] ) de Montagu[16],[4]
      2nd Maud Mautravers[9],
      3rdly Philippa Lovel[9]

cf. CP IV:374-7[9]
     Richardson pp. 274-5[7]

 bef 3 Feb 1379 when John was 19, he married Eleanor de Montagu[9].[9]

3  Eleanor de Montagu.[9]
   died ca 1394.[12],[17],[16]
   Buried in Kingskerswell church, Devon.[12]

1st wife[9]

' my daughter Alianore ', will of her father Sir John de Montagu, dated
 20 March, 1388 [Testa. Vetusta, p. 124[17]]

'Eleanor ', daughter of John de Montagu [CP IX:88, note (f)[9]]

' Ellen|Alianore de Montagu ', wife of Sir John de
   Dinham [Genealogics # I00387511[4]]

CP IV:375-6 (and notes (g) on p. 375, (a) on p. 376), re: her husband
John :
      "  He m., 1stly, before 3 Feb. 1379/80 [g], Ellen.  She was
         living 22 Sep. 1387 [a].
      "(g) "Johannes Dynham junior miles et Elena uxor ejus" occur
           on and between these dates. (Exeter Reg., Brantyngham,
           pp. 418, 472, 481, 623, 646).
      "(a) See note "g" on preceding page. "[9]

cf. Brantyngham I:418, dated Feb 1379/80[14]]
     Brantyngham I:481, dated 1382[14]]

she evidently delivered a child in 1391/2:
 the Account Roll of John Whitebal , beadle of Hartland, Devon dated
 13-14 Ric II includes expenses for  'a horse for an 'obstetrix' for
the
 lady' [A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
 [AR/2/1 - AR/2/731],    AR/2/539/4[3] ]

she d. 1393/4 as noted by Dr. Hannes Kleineke[12]:
the Account Roll of Richard Sampson, beadle of Hartland, Devon dated
 17-18 Ric II includes expenses for  ' purchase of victuals for the
 lady's burial ', and ' costs of various transports for the lady's
 burial ' [A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and
Trerice
 [AR/2/1 - AR/2/731], AR/2/539/5[3] ]
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the parentage of Ellen/Elena, wife of John de Dinham, was identified by
 John P. Ravilious [18]

Additional evidence of her parentage was noted on the tomb of Lady
Eleanor
 Dinham in Kingskerswell, Devon [J. Ravilious, The Lady and The Crown,
 3 Sept 2005[19]]

cf. CP IV:375-6, sub Dinham[9]
     CP IX:88, note (f), sub Montagu[9]

4  John de Dinham.
   died in murdered (robbery) on 7 Jan 1382, he was 62.[20],[9]
   Born on 3 May 1319.[9],[3]

knight, of Hartland, Devon, Buckland Denham, Somerset and Cardinham,
Cornwall
4th Lord Dinham

born 3 May 1319; had recognition of his right to seisin by his mother
when
 of age, 3 May 1340 [ A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne
and
 Trerice [AR/17 - AR/50] , AR/37/11[3] ]

had livery of his father's lands followng the King taking his homage,
 12 May 1340

he was possibly knighted at that time, but definitely before 29 March
1343.
 He had livery of the manor of Bodardel, Cornwall under Agreement for
 adjustment of dower with his mother Lady Margaret, 29 Mar 1343
[Saturday
 after Annunciation, 23 Edw III ] - A2A, Cornwall Record
 Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice [AR/1/1 - AR/1/527] ,
AR/1/397[3]

' Sir John de Dynham ', witness to quitclaim of his cousin Oliver de
Dynham
 of lands of Whyteleigh in Hartland manor,  7 Feb. 1346 [ A2A, Cornwall
 Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice [AR/1/528 -
AR/1/1121],
 AR/1/604[3]]

record of a petition by his mother to the Pope, Jul 1346:
  ' Margaret, late the wife of John de Dynham, knight.  For plenary
   remission at the hour of death to herself and her legitimate sons,
   John de Dynham, knight, and Oliver de Dynham.     Granted.
  [ Avignon, Kal. Aug. ]  ' [Papal Petition I:114[21], cites f. 117]

' John Dy[n]ham ', witness to grant by his (future) father-in-law '
Thomas
 de Cortenay the Elder, knight ' to Roger Torel, dated Carswill Regis
 [Kingskerswell], 7 June 1355  [ Harvard English Deeds Coll. , Deed
 174 - HOLLIS number: - AOA6353[23] ]

had livery of the manors of Buckland Denham and Harpford which his
mother
 had held in dower, 22 Apr 1362[9]

he m. Muriel de Courtenay

cf. CP IV:373-4[9]
_______________________________

previously believed to have married  2ndly Alice[24], but this is
 evidently in error.

 bef 27 Mar 1357 when John was 37, he married Muriel de
Courtenay.[3],[25]

5  Muriel de Courtenay.
   died bef 12 Aug 1369, she was 26.[20]
   Born bef 27 Mar 1343.[4]
   Buried in Hartland Abbey, Devon.[9],[26]

coheiress (in her issue) of her brother Hugh de Courtenay[9]

 ' The date of the marriage of Sir John de Dinham (d. 7 Jan 1382/83)
and
 Muriel de Courtenay is unknown, and was previously defined only by the
 approximation of the birth of their son John, evidently born before 12
 August 1359 as he was 'aged 10 and more' at the time of the IPM of his
 uncle Hugh de Courtenay (12 Aug 1369) [1 - citation from CP provided
by
 Chris Phillips].
 '  The record of a gift of certain manors in Devon and Cornwall has
been
 found on the PRO site, which evidences that John de Dinham and Muriel
de
 Courtenay were married no later than 27 March 1357.'[25]

Gift, dated Monday after Annunciation, 31 Edw III (27 March 1357),
 at Ilstyngton; by
" William de Wynkaulton, chaplain, Nicholas de la Pomeray, and
   Thomas de Stafforde = (1)-(3) [to]
Sir John de Dyneham, knight, and Muriel his wife = (4)-(5)

(1)-(3) to (4)-(5), their manors of Ilstyngton, Matforde, Southdon,
 Bodardel and Gorlyn, with all appurtenances; for (4)-(5) and the heirs
 and assigns of (4) to hold of the chief lords of the fee, by services
due.
 Warranty.
[Witnesses:]  Richard de Merton, Theobald de Greyneuile, Thomas de
Raleghe,
 John de Ferariis, knights, John Dabernoun, Thomas de Crauwelthorne,
John
 Fraunceys, Matthew Beaumond, William Holebern.  "  - A2A, Cornwall
Record
 Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice [AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121],
AR/1/890[3]

cf. CP IV:374[9]

6  John de Montagu.
   died bef 5 Mar 1389.[9],[7]
   Buried in Salisbury cathedral.[9]
   Occupation: Lord Montagu.

knt., of Wark upon Tweed, Northumberland
younger son

fought at Crecy (26 Aug 1346) and the siege of ...

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Monday, 19 December, 2005

Hello All,

     This is Part I -B of the detailed AT for Muriel Dinham (the
original ' Part I ' was too large, changing Google to Gaggle....).

     Cheers,

                           John

___________________________________

         Muriel (Dinham) Hastings:  Ahnentafel  (part I - B of IV)

8  Sir John de Dinham.
   Born on 14 Sep 1295.[9]
   died  bef 15 Apr 1332, he was 36.[9]

knt., of Hartland,  Devon, Buckland Denham, Somerset and Cardinham,
Cornwall[9]
3rd Lord Dinham

succeeded his father as a minor, and ward of the King:
Assignment [ " to Thomas, bishop of Exeter, Hugh, abbot of Hayles,
William
 de Bereford and Walter de Aylesbury, executors of the will of Edmund,
earl
 of Cornwall, the king's kinsman, in part payment of the king's
indebtedness
 to the earl of 9,480 1/2 marks 10 1/4d.," ] of custody of his lands
during
 the minority of his heir, made at Peebles [Scot.] 2 Aug. 1301:
' from 8 September next, and during the minority of the heirs, of two
parts
 of the lands late of Joyce de Dynham, tenant in chief, together with
the
 marriage of the heirs, worth 2,000 marks; saving to the king knights'
fees,
 &c., as above.
  By K[ing]., on the information of W., bishop of Coventry and
Lichfield.
 Mandate in pursuance to Walter de Gloucestre, escheator beyond Trent.
  Mandate to Margery, late the wife of the said Joyce, to deliver the
body
 of the heir of the said Joyce, which is said to be in her custody, to
the
 said executors to be married. ' [CPR 1292-1301, p. 603[32]]

assessment of a feudal aid, for his manor of Buckland Denham in the
hundred
 of Kynemerdeston, Somerset in 1303:
' Johannes de Denham, heres Jocelini de Denham, tenet terciam partem
un. f.
 in Boclaund et est in custodia domini regis ' [Feudal Aids IV:310[22]]

came of age, September 1316:
'A few years after the death of Sir Oliver de Dynham, his son, Josce's
son and heir, John de Dynham, came of age.  This took place in 1316.
Shortly before John obtained livery of his father's lands, Hugh de
Courtenay (grandson of Isabel de Vere) wrote a letter to William de
Airmyn dated c. September 1316, in which he requested assistance for
his kinsman, John de Dynham, now of age, in obtaining seisin of his
lands [Reference: List of Ancient Correspondence, Lists and Indexes,
No. XV, reprinted 1968, pg. 552; cf. Index to Ancient Correspondence
of the Chancery and the Exchequer, 1 (Lists and Indexes, Supplementary
Series, No. XV) (reprinted 1969), pp. 308, 351].  The King
subsequently took John de Dynham's homage, and he had livery of his
father's lands, 18 October 1316.'[33]

~ NOTE: this evidence supports his relationship to the Courtenay family
as
 shown (based on common descent from his paternal grandmother, Isabel
de Vere)

' Jn. de Dynham ' , entered into agreement with Sir Otto de Bodrugan as
 to the advowson of the church of La Roche, recognized as below to John
 de Dinham:
Agreement dated at Lostwythiel, 6 November 1318 :
1. Jn. de Dynham
2. Sir Otto de Bodrugan, Kt.
(Rec. on recent vacancy of church of La Roche in diocese of Exeter by
death
 of Clement de la roche there was a controversy on the right of
patronage
 between him and Sir Otto de Bodrugan, Knight. Latter brought writ of
quare
 impedit against him in the King's court)
(2) recognised (1)'s right to advowson in court.
(1) had to pay costs awarded.
 Alternate sealing clause. '  - A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Edgcumbe
of
 Cotehele and Mount Edgcumbe [ME/1540 - ME/3660], ME/2905[3]

' Johan de Dynham ', summoned for military service 20 February 1324/5 -
to
 appear at Portsmouth 'mounted and armed' - in France, by letters under
 privy seal of King Edward II [ Foedera, pp. 591-2[34]]

IPM of John de Dynham, held at Exeter, 20 June 1332[26]

cf. CP IV:372-3[9]
    Chope pp. 432-3[26]

 ca 1310 when Sir John was 14, he married Margaret de Botreaux.[9]

9 Margaret de Botreaux. Margaret died  bef 16 Jan 1361.[9]

               Genealogics #I00429089[4]

' Margaret Botreaux ' as identified by Dr. Hannes Kleineke.[35]

record of a petition to the Pope, Jul 1346:
  ' Margaret, late the wife of John de Dynham, knight.  For plenary
   remission at the hour of death to herself and her legitimate sons,
   John de Dynham, knight, and Oliver de Dynham.     Granted.
  [ Avignon, Kal. Aug. ]  ' [Papal Petitions I:114[21], cites f. 117]

assessment of a feudal aid, for his manor of Buckland Denham in the
hundred
 of Kynemersdon, Somerset in 1346 (which she held in dower):
' De Margareta, que fuit uxor Johannis de Denham, pro iij. parte un. f.
in
 Bouclond quam Johannes de Denham et heres Johanne de Denham quondam
 tenuerunt ibidem.......xiij. s. iiij. d. ' [Feudal Aids IV:355[22]]

cf. CP IV:373-4[9]
    J. P. Ravilious '[36]
    H. Kleineke [35],[37]

10 Sir Thomas de Courtenay.
   died in 1356.

knight, of Woodhuish and Dunterton,  Devon and Wootton Courtenay and
 Cricket Malherbe, Somerset[38]

younger son, Thomas was named as heir to brother Robert in provisions
 for remainder in Woodhuish and other lands [ his father Hugh,
deforciant
 in a fine of  8 Edw II [Trinity term, 1315 ]:
    "  with remainder, after their deaths, to Robert son of (3)
     and his heirs of body; in default of such heirs, remainder to
    Thomas, Robert's brother, and his heirs."
    -  A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
      [AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121], AR/1/643[3]

record of a petition to the Pope, Jul 1346:
  ' Thomas de Courtenay, knight, legitimate brother of the earl of
  Devon.  For plenary remission at the hour of death to himself and
  Muriel his wife.     Granted.   Avignon, Kal. Aug.   ' [Papal
Petitions
  I:114[21], cites f. 117]

Grant dated 7 June 1355:29 Edward III :
' Grant by Thomas de Cortenay the Elder, knight, to Roger Torel of all
his
 messuages, etc., which he had in Offewill and Everforde in the hundred
of
 Colyton (Devon), with the advowson of Offewill and of all his
messuages,
 etc., which he had in West Raddon and Allirford in the hundred of
Lyfton
 (Devon). Done at Carswill Regis on the Sunday before St. Barbabas, 29
 Edward III.
WITNESSES: John Dy[n]ham, William Auarle, William Dounfravyle, John de
 Kelly, Robert de Courtenay, Robert Morgan, Richard Newy, John Kelly of
 Southwyck, and others. With 1 seal (2.4 cm) of red wax (damaged);
bearing
 an armorial sheild and the legend: SI ... HOME DE COURT ... ' [
Harvard
 English Deeds Coll. , Deed 174 - 29 Edward III. 1 item : paper ; 9 x
 26 cm.  HOLLIS number: - AOA6353[23] ]

 bef 27 Aug 1337 Sir Thomas married Muriel de Moels.[29]

11 Muriel de Moels. Born  ca 1322.[9]

eldest daughter and coheiress;
received her purparty of her father's lands (including Kingskerswell,
 Devon) following Thomas de Courtenay having done fealty, 6 Oct 1337[9]

she was living in 1346 [record of a petition by her husband to the
Pope,
 granted 1 Aug 1346 - Papal Petitions I:114 [21], cites f. 117]

12 William de Montagu.
   Born in 1301 in Salisbury.[39]
   died on 30 Jan 1343, he was 42.[9]
   Occupation: Earl of Salisbury.

of Shipton Montague, Somerset
3rd Lord Montagu
adherent of young Edward III in palace revolution of 1330
summoned to Parliament from 18 Feb 1330/31.[9]

created Earl of Salisbury 16 March 1336/7
Marshal of England[40]

cf. CP IX:82-3, note (f)[9]

 abt 1327 when William was 26, he married Katherine de Grandison.[39]

13 Katherine de Grandison.
   Born abt 1304.[39]
   died on 23 Apr 1349, she was 45.[9]

youngest daughter (CP:XI:387[9]]

14 Thomas de Monthermer.
   Born on 4 Oct 1301.[9],[8]
   died in k. at Battle of Sluys on 24 Jun 1340, he was 38.[9],[1]
   Occupation: Lord Monthermer.

2nd Lord Monthermer (not summ. to Parliament)[9]

' On 4 July 1325 he and his brother Edward made an
 agreement as to certain manors in which both had an
 interest; Thomas was to have Stokenham and Edward
 Warblington, &c., and on 11 July Thomas granted
 Edward a rent of £ 20 from Stokenham. ' [CP IX:143,
 and note (c), citing Cal. Close Rolls, 1323-27, p. 492[9] ]
heir of his brother Edward

cf. CP IX:143[9],
    VCH (Hampshire) III:134-136[31]

 aft Mar 1322 when Thomas was 20, he married Margaret de Braose.

15 Margaret de Braose.
   died  bef 27 May 1349.[9]

' Margaret widow of Thomas Monthermer held Warblington in dower till
her
   death in May, 1349, when it was inherited by her daughter
   Margaret wife of Sir John Montagu, kt.,..'[VCH (Hampshire)
III:134-136[31]]

her identification as Margaret, daughter of Piers de Braose by Douglas
 Richardson:
' A while back, I discussed evidence regarding the possible identity of
Margaret, wife successively of Henry le Tyeys, Knt. (died 1322), 2nd
Lord Tyeys, and Thomas de Monthermer, Knt. (died 1340), 2nd Lord
Monthermer. Margaret's identity is of special interest to medieval
historians and genealogists, as her 2nd husband, Sir Thomas de
Monthermer, was a grandson of King Edward I of England. By Margaret
and Thomas' daughter, Margaret de Monthermer, wife of John Montagu,
Knt., the Monthermer family is ancestral to many living descendants
today.
  In my earlier post (see copy below), I noted that both Margaret and
her
first husband, Sir Henry le Tyeys, had various associations with the
family of Sir Peter de Brewes (died 1312), of Tetbury, Gloucestershire,
and his wife, Agnes de Clifford. Briefly, I found that sometime prior
to 1322, Henry le Tyeys conveyed a messuage to Peter de Brewes' widow,
Agnes de Clifford. Also, I found Henry le Tyeys' widow, Margaret,
associated with Agnes (de Clifford) de Brewes in a record shortly
before Margaret's marriage to Thomas de Monthermer. I queried if
Margaret le Tyeys might not have been a daughter of Peter de Brewes and
his wife, Agnes de Clifford. Such an arrangement is certainly possible
chronologically, as Peter de Brewes and his wife, Agnes, are known to
have married in 1300. Henry and Margaret le Tyeys were evidently
married in or about 1316, at which date, Margaret's age still required
that she needed a ...

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<snip>
<< 2nd husband of Isabel de Vere, widow of John de Courtenay(d. 3 May 1274);
  m. before 24 Jan 1276/77

 cf. CP IV:323[9]

<snip>
<<

   Sir John de Courtenay  =  Isabel de Vere  =  Sir Oliver de Dinham
    of Okehampton         I    d. bef        I    of Hartland, Devon
    d. 3 May 1273         I   7 Jan 1290/91  I    d. 26 Feb 1298/99  >>
</snip>

John.  When did John de Courtenay die?  1274 ? or 1273?
Thanks
Will Johnson

     That's a very good question.

     I recall some extended conversation on the topic some time ago on
the list.  The following is what I have in my notes on the subject:

NOTE: his death is given in CP II:465, note (f) [sub _Courtenay_] and
CP IV:370, note (h) as 3 May 1274. Footnote (h) says,

 "Chron. of Ford (Monasticon, vol. v,
p. 379), where, however, the year is erroneously given as 1273. The
writ of
diem cl. ext. was issued 12 May 1274 (Fine Roll, 2 Edw. I, m. 23)."

     So either (A) the Ford cartulary is off a year, or (B) it took a
rather long time from date of death (3 May 1273) until the writ was
issued (12 May 1274).  I'm of the opinion that (B) is correct, for the
following two reasons:

     A. Josce de Dinham (son of Isabel de Vere by her 2nd marriage to
Sir Oliver de Dinham) was - allegedly - born before 26 Feb 1274/5, as
he was stated to be aged 24 and more at his father's IPM in 1298/99.

     B. Josce's son Sir John de Dinham (d. 1332) was acknowledged by
Hugh de Courtenay as his kinsman, as discovered by Douglas Richardson
[1].  This makes it rather certain that Josce was a son of Isabel de
Vere (grandmother of Hugh de Courtenay).

     So, there was either a somewhat abbreviated pregnancy for Isabel
de Vere when carrying Josce de Dinham (say March 1274 - Feb or March
1274/5), or a slightly wider range for betrothal, marriage,
consummation and Josce's birth (say March - June 1273 to Feb or March
1274/5).

     For the time being, I've left it at the 1273 date.

     Cheers,

                                     John

NOTES

 [1] Douglas Richardson, citation from Lists and Indexes, Supplementary
Series, No. XV) (reprinted 1969), pp. 308, 351.

<< 49 Hawise de St. Amand.[9]

 1st wife[9]

 re: Amauri de Saint Amand,
 ' In 1270, for his da. Hawise, he bought the marriage of Simon, s. and
  h. of William de Montagu;....' [CP Vol. XI -Saint Amand, p. 297n][9] >>

I had the birth of William, 2nd Lord Montagu who married Elizabeth de
Montfort, as abt 1265.
Since his father Simon was a minor still in 1270 and not yet married or just
then married, this cannot be correct
Checking the chronology of William, 2nd Lord, I see no reason not to move his
birth forward, so now I'm setting it as 1270/85.

Comments appreciated.
Will Johnson