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Gryphon801
through now.
Kevan L. Barton
Barne Roberts, s. and eventual heir to Francis Roberts, esq. of Willesdon,
married Mary, daughter of Sir William Glover, alderman of London, knt.
Barne died v.p. 30 January 1610.
I'm interested in finding additional information on the Glovers. Oddly, I
remember seeing a number of references to the family at the Library of
Congress in who knows what book, but it didn't become important until now.
I seem to recall the family is closely related, within two generations, to
the Glovers of some very early American settlers. That's all that I recall.
I don't believe I was pipe dreaming.
Any help out there?
Cheers,
Kevan
Kevan L. Barton
Sir George Barne[s], knt. was Lord Mayor of the city of London in 1552. His
wife was Alice Brooke of Shropshire [she must have been the heir as the
Brooke arms are quartered with those of Barne]. Interestingly, his heir and
elder son, Sir George Barne, knt. citizen of London was Lord Mayor in 1586.
George, Jr. m. Anne, daughter of Sir William Gerrard, knt. who was Lord
Mayor of London in 1555. [they do keep it in the family!]
George, Jr.'s heir was Sir William Barne, knt. of Woolwich in the county of
Kent. This gentleman espoused Anne, daughter of his Grace, Doctor Edwin
Sandys, Archbishop of York.
I am looking for leads in taking this Barne family further back as well as
the Brooke line. Any help? This is all I have. The sources, little that
they be, are Burke's "..Commoners..", and Richard Mundy's "Middlesex
Pedigrees" published as v.65 in the Harleian Society series.
Cheers,
Kevan
John Steele Gordon
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These people are ancestral to Anne Lovelace, emigrant to Virginia and wife
of the Rev. John Gorsuch. So far as I know, the Barne line has not been
taken back beyond the father, also George Barne, of Sir George Barne who
married Alice Brooke. He was a haberdasher in London.
Also, so far as I know, Alice Brooke's family is still unidentified. She
mentions her brother, Roger Brooke, in a codicil to her will.
See the Virginia History Magazine, Vol. XXIX (1921), pp. 110-124. VHM has
numerous articles on the Lovelace, Gorsuch, and Sandys families as well. You
can see what I have on these people by going to the website below.
JSG
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Peter Haizelden
Mary, fourth daughter of Sir William Glover, married (licence 6 July 1611)
as his first wife, Sir Henry Robinson of Cransley, Northants, who died 9 Dec
1637.
It was Annie, the eldest daughter of Sir William that married 19 Oct 1600
at Willesdon, Barne Roberts (born 1 Sept 1576 and died 30 Jan 1610/11) of
Willesdon.
Details of Sir William and his family can be found at pages 10-12 in 'Lord
Mayors and Sheriffs of the City of London 1601-1625', G. E. Cokayne,
published by Phillimore and Co., London, 1897.
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century. 1601-1625.
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Researching the Mayors and Lord Mayors of the City of London 1192-present
day (since 1975); and Aldermen and officials of the same city.
"Kevan L. Barton" <kevan...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Colin Bevan
may be of help in researching his ancestry. The source is T.S. Willan. The
Muscovy Merchants of 1555, Manchester University Press, 1953. p. 78
SIR GEORGE BARNE, knight and alderman
He was the son of George Barne, grocer of London, and married Alice Brooke
of Shropshire. Of his children, his son George married Anne, daughter of Sir
William Garrard, Elizabeth married Sir John Rivers, and Anne married firstly
Alexander Carleill, and secondly Sir Francis Walsingham [E.Hasted. History
of Kent. Part 1 The Hundred of Blackheath, ed H.H. Drake, p.160]
The Pardon Roll of 1547 describes Barnes comprehensively as "alderman,
innholder or vintner of London, alias late of Wells, Somerset, blacksmith,
alias late sheriff of London, alias citizen and haberdasher of London" [CPR
1548-9, p.152. Barne left 10 pounds to a married sister, Alice Kyngesbury of
Wells]. He was in fact a member of the Haberdasher' Company, an alderman,
1542-58, mayor 1552-3 and knighted on 11 April 1553 ; he died 18 February
1558 [A.B. Beaven. The Aldermen of the City of London v.2, p.31]
Barne was one of the chief promoters of the Russia voyage of 1553 [Stow. A
survey of London , ed. p.609] and was a charter consul of the company, in
whose affairs he played an active part. He was one of the signatories to a
commission of 10 december 1556 for the recovery of goods from the 'Edward
Bonadventure' , wrecked on the Scottish coast on its return from Russia [J.
Robertson. "The first Russian embassy to England", Archaeological Journal,
xiii p.77-78] With four other members he signed the instructions sent out to
the company's agents in Russia in 1557 [R.Hakluyt. The principall
navigations, voiages and discoveries of the English nation. i 380-391]
Barne also imported wine from Spain, where his son Philip was acting as his
factor in 1538, [R.G Marsden. Select pleas in the Court of the Admiralty. i,
61,72, 106-10, 195 Philip appears to have predeceased his father] and
exported cloth. [Exchequer, King's Remembrancer. Custom accounts, 87/4,
167/1]
He was a promoter of the Guinea voyages of 1553 and 1554 [Hakluyt, iv, 47 ;
Williamson, Sir John Hawkins, p.40]
During his lifetime Barne had been associated with Henry Becher, Sir John
Gresham, and others buying property in London, [CPR 1548-9, pp.76-77; 1550-3
pp. 133-5] and on his death he left property there and in Herts. to his
widow Alice for life, with reversion to his sons George and John [PCC 13
Noodes. Alice died in 1559 (Strype, Annales i. pt I, p.286)]. George was
later a governor of the Russia Company.
John Stow. Survey of London, Everymans edition, p.98 mentions "John Barnes,
mayor 1371, gave a chest with three locks, and one thousand marks therin, to
be lent to young men upon sufficient pawn, and for the use thereof, to say
'De profundis', or 'Pater noster', and no more; he also was a great builder
of St Thomas Apostle's parish church, as appeareth by his arms there, both
in stone and glass"
Hope this is of interest to you.
Cheers
Rosie
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A Channing
which
> may be of help in researching his ancestry. The source is T.S. Willan.
The
> Muscovy Merchants of 1555, Manchester University Press, 1953. p. 78
>
BTW he was buried in St. Bartholomew's parish church, Bartholomew's Lane
Broad Str. Ward, London (Stow p 167)
I wonder if there is any connection to the Sir George Barne who was mayor
in 1586 and bur St Edmonds the king and martyr (alias Grasse Church) ,
Lombard Str., Lnagborne Ward (Stow p 182)
Adrian
John Steele Gordon
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This Sir George Barne was the son of the first Sir George Barne.
JSG
Pat Patterson
The two Barnes and Gerard, Lord Mayors, were all haberdashers. Have you
checked their records? I find one citation at the NYPL: Call # JFF 92-1168
Author Archer, Ian W.
Title The history of the Haberdashers' Company / Ian W. Archer.
Imprint Chichester, Sussex : Phillimore, 1991
There was also John Barnes, Mayor in 1371 "gave a chest with 3 locks, and
one thousand marks therein, to be lent to young men upon sufficient pawn,
and for the use thereof, to say 'De profundis,' or 'Pater noster', and no
more: he also was a great builder of St. Thomas Apostle's parish church, as
appeareth by his arms there, both in stone and glass." (Stow's Survey of
London, 1603; he writes "Barne" for the 1500s.)
Nothing to indicate a connection beyond the mayoralty: which did weave
quite a web, so I'm curious if you'll eventually find a link.
"Sir Robert Brooke was Speaker of Mary's second Parliament, summoned to
ratify the Queen's contract of marriage. Of a Shropshire family, he was the
first Speaker to sit for the City of London. He died in 1558, and in the
chancel of Claverley church near Wolverhampton a stately monument to his
memory was erected." from Arthur Irwin Dasent's "Speakers of the House of
Parliament," which reproduces his 1554 portrait from the Nat'l Portrait
Gallery. After Speaker (appointed 2 Apr 1554; Parliament summoned to meet
at Westminster same date, close of office was 5 May), he was Chief Justice
of the Common Pleas.
(Surely a Brooke of Shropshire who married a Lord Mayor will connect to some
part of his family?)
Excuse the flimsy notes; I'd like to keep these names alive in the threads
and will look for something more direct.
[I'm interested in other Lords Mayor (including Hayward of Shropshire) and a
bit in these Brookes (and a bit in Brookes of Norton, Cheshire), as well as
the Shropshire connection.]
Pat Patterson
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Subject: Barne Family of London, Lords Mayor
John Steele Gordon
in Virginia Historical Magazine, Vol. XXIX (1921), pp. 110-124. On page 111
there is a footnote: "The codicil of Alice Barne's will names her brother
Roger Brooke, and various Brooke nephews in Shropshire. This Brooke family
has not been identified. There is a pedigree of Brooke of Leighton in the
adjoining county of Cheshire contained in the Visitation of Cheshire, 1580,
in which three individuals named Roger Brooke are given."
As far as I know that Brooke family still has not been identified. The
article also says that the Barne's arms (azure, three leopard's heads
argent) are quartered not with those of Brooke, but possibly those of
Ashthorpe. Whatever the family these arms are given as "argent, a chevron,
azure, between three Cornish cloughs sable." Clough, which means a cleft in
a hill or a narrow valley, is obviously a typo for chough, a bird, and a
common heraldic charge. Certainly, if Alice Brooke had a brother and
nephews, she would not have been a heraldic heiress.
The daughter of Sir William Barne and Anne Sandys, Anne Barne, married
William Lovelace. They were the parents of Anne Lovelace, immigrant to
Virginia and the ancestor of many Americans, and Richard Lovelace, the great
Cavalier poet ("stone walls do not a prison make nor iron bars a cage," "I
could not love thee (Dear) so much, loved I not honor more," etc. etc.)
JSG
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