Robert Brown(e)'s association with the Nevilles
tom
Sir George de Vere and Margaret (Stafford)'s daughter Elizabeth
married Sir Anthony Wingfield ( ~1552/3). This would seem to be the
A.W. mentioned in the A2A article given below.
Dorothy de Vere, another daughter of Sir George and Margaret, married
John Neville, Lord Latimer (1493-1542/3).
John Neville's father Richard, was a 2nd cousin to Margaret Neville
who was the wife of John Mortimer and later Robert Downes.
The question I have is; who is the Robert Brown(e) mentioned in the
A2A article, and how might he tie into the several Browne families of
this period.
from A2A; C 1/498/7 date range 1518-1529
Robert Downes, gentleman, and Margaret, his wife, late the wife of
John Mortymer, knight. v. Robert Brown and Anne, his wife, late the
wife of James Framyngham, knight `naturall' daughter of the said
Margaret, Antony Wingfield, knight, and William Waller.: Bond
collusively obtained settling lands of the said Margaret on Anne, in
tail. (Decree endorsed.) Subpoena and injunction.: Suffolk, Middlesex,
Worcester.
Regards
Tom Dunn, Kilbrittain, Co. Cork, Ireland
tom
The A2A article seems to support the idea that Robert Horne and
Margaret Neville, may not have been married, and that the daughter
Anne, who married, 1st. James Framyngham, and 2nd. Robert Brown was
born out-of-wedlock.
adrianch...@aol.com
Tom,
I'm not sure who this Robert Brown is, I think he has come up before on
Gen-Med
Margaret Neville also m (her second marriage) Charles Brandon (c1484-22
Aug 1545), but this marriage was annulled. He was later Duke of Suffolk.
Charles Brandon's marriages were not straightforward, his 2nd m was to Anne
daughter of Sir Anthony Browne (-1506) (by his 1st wife Eleanor d of
Robert Ughtred. By his m2 he was ancestor of the Brownes Viscount Montagues) and
3rd was to king Henry VIII sister. However it would seem that Brandon had
probably already married Anne Browne (and by her had a daughter Anne) befo
re his marriage to Margaret Nevill, and after their annullment returned to
Anne Browne. (See David Starkey's _Rivals in Power_, page 40 et seq.)
Adrian
In a message dated 29/12/2009 12:35:07 GMT Standard Time,
td...@gofree.indigo.ie writes:
>>>>>>
Hi Folks,
Sir George de Vere and Margaret (Stafford)'s daughter Elizabeth
married Sir Anthony Wingfield ( ~1552/3). This would seem to be the
A.W. mentioned in the A2A article given below.
Dorothy de Vere, another daughter of Sir George and Margaret, married
John Neville, Lord Latimer (1493-1542/3).
John Neville's father Richard, was a 2nd cousin to Margaret Neville
who was the wife of John Mortimer and later Robert Downes.
The question I have is; who is the Robert Brown(e) mentioned in the
A2A article, and how might he tie into the several Browne families of
this period.
from A2A; C 1/498/7 date range 1518-1529
tom
Hi Adrian,
Thanks for the response.
The cluster of people mentioned in my earlier post, ie: Anthony
Wingfield, Margaret Neville, John Nevelle, and Elizabeth and Dorothy
de Vere, all have close family ties. Adding Charles Brandon's name to
the list,supports this association.
You posted on 6 Sep. 2007, sub: 'Kinship of Charles Brandon's
wives', a list of those who attended the marrage of Charles Brandon
and Anne Brown, per a deposition by Walter Devereux.
"There was present at this marriage Sir John Russell, knight, now Earl
of
Bedford, Sir William Sidney, knight, Sir Griffith Don, knight, and one
Guyot a
Burgundian, Dorothy Yaxley and Margaret, late wife to one Vernon."
Griffith Don and Charles Brandon were very good friends and 'jousting
partners'. Griffith Don was closely related to the de Vere sisters, so
Charles fits into this cluster, due to his marrage to Margaret, and
his association with the family of Sir John Donne ( -1503).
So the question remains, how does Robert Brown fit into this seemingly
tight group.
wjhonson
> Hi Folks,
> The A2A article seems to support the idea that Robert Horne and
> Margaret Neville, may not have been married, and that the daughter
> Anne, who married, 1st. James Framyngham, and 2nd. Robert Brown was
> born out-of-wedlock.
>
Perhaps but, the heraldry, that is, that these Framlinghams took
quarterings from the Neville/Holland arms would speak toward Anne
being a fully legitimate heiress of her father Robert Horne.
Will Johnson