Re: Neville of Scotton /Cauntelo/ Ros of Ingmanthorpe/ de la Haye of Arlington
Jwc...@aol.com
When I gave Ralph IV as son
of Ralph III, I goofed. He was as you have it the son of Robert de la Haye
and Sarah de Burwell and grandson of Ralph III de la Haye by Olive who may
be the daughter of William d`Aubigny, 1st Earl of Arundel by Adeliza of
Louvaine, but this seems improbable as the latter couple married no sooner
apparently than 1138 and Olive was born say 1145 or so. That would push
Robert de la Haye`s birth to say 1160.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA
John P. Ravilious
Tuesday, 15 December, 2009
Dear James,
Given the chronology I think most likely that Olive, wife of
Ralph de la Haye, was a sister of William, Earl of Arundel (or Sussex)
and a daughter of William d'Aubigny, pincerna regis to Henry I, by his
wife Maud le Bigod. Farrer noted the confirmation of a gift to the
monks of Boxgrove priory by William 'the elder' "for the health of
King Henry,.... for the soul of queen Adeliza, and the souls of Olive
his sister, Olive his daughter, and Agatha who was buried at
Boxgrove' [Honors and Knights' Fees II:10].
As to the matter of descendants, Olive had the manor of
Bilsington, Kent as her maritagium; most likely she died s.p., and
Bilsington fell into the hands of the lord (her brother William) who
then gave Bilsington as part of the maritagium of Adeliza d'Aubigny
(Olive's niece, and a daughter of William 'the younger' by Queen
Adeliza) when she married John de Hastings, count of Eu ca. 1166 [see
Honors and Knights' Fees, III:9 and III:100-101].
Cheers,
John
John Watson
Hi John,
There is another charter of Boxgrave Priory in Monasticon, given by
William, Earl of Chichester on the day of the marriage of his sister
Olive, to Ralph de la Haye. CP says that William d'Aubigny was styled
Earl of Chichester before 1150, which gives an approximate date for
it.
Noscant tam presentes, quam futuri, quod ego, Willielmus Cicestriae
comes, concessi donationem ecclesiae de Bisintona, quam Radulphus de
Haia dedit eccelesiae sanctae Trinitas, Exaquii, cum terris et decimis
eidem ecclesiae perentibus, in die quo ipse Radulphus uxorem suam
Olivam, sororem scilicet meam desponsavit. Et ut haec donatio rata
fieret, sigillo mei confirmavi. Hujus donationis testes fuerunt hii.
Radulfus filius Savari, Alart' Flamenc, Rainaldus de Windesores,
Manasser Aculeus, magister Serlo, Ricardus Hosart, et plures alii.
William Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum, Vol. 4, p. 645; Boxgrave
Priory, No. I
Regards,
John