Church of England & Ireland
Ella Patterson
Remember also that with CofE(CofI) being the established many people of other
religions who had some property were married in the Established church to
protect the passingon of their inheritance. This applies to especially
Catholics and Presbyterians before the mid 1800s. If you know your ancestor was
married in a particular area but cannot find them in the church you expect the
local anglican church is worth a try. I have both catholic and presbyterian
relatives married there and they were not rich by any standards but they did
have a bit of land and they made anglican stored wills
Ella
VCrawf wrote:
> Yes, that will have been a Church of England marriage - that church was
> subsequently designated as Church of Ireland. See earlier posts and
> responses: CHURCH OF ENGLAND??? and PROTESTANTS IN A CATHOLIC LAND (or
> some such; I may have that title slightly wrong).
--
Ella Patterson
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VCrawf
John Crawford
I am amazed at the ignorance about the history of the Church of Ireland
shown by some of the postings recently to this newsgroup.
For history and other information see: http://www.ireland.anglican.org/
The Rev Canon John Crawford
St Patrick's Cathedral
(the National Cathedral of the Church of Ireland)
Dublin.
Ode...@aol.com
Dear John,
I feel the wording in your article could have been kinder given we are all
Irish and showing such great interest in Ireland. Just thought I would
mention it.
Catherine
Zehner
Ignorance is such a STRONG word. Many of us have to learn about things
as we go along with our genealogical searches. This is a wonderful
"hobby" which requires a good deal of "learning" as we try to find, and
understand, the lives of our ancestors.
Mike Fisher
The alleged Rev Canon John Crawford <jwrc...@iol.ie> wrote:
>I am amazed at the ignorance about the history of the Church of Ireland
>shown by some of the postings recently to this newsgroup.
A very un-Christian comment which leads me to the feeling that it
might just not have been from a Rev Canon.......?
>The Rev Canon John Crawford
>St Patrick's Cathedral
>(the National Cathedral of the Church of Ireland)
>Dublin.
Regards,
Mike
PS With apologies to the group for a 'flame' but, occasionally, one
has to ignore netiquette!!
ALLISON L REEB
Hello
Not meaning to be disrespectful in any way but I am amazed at how pious
you appear to be. We are enjoying our research and learning much along the
way in many cases. So, in the future, it would be nice to watch our
WORDING because people have feelings.
Nancy Reeb
ALLISON L REEB
I am sorry that I sent this message the wrong way. It was not meant for
zeh...@wvi.com
It was meant for John Crawford.
Nancy Reeb
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> From: Zehner <zeh...@wvi.com>
> To: GENI...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Church of England & Ireland
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 1997 11:29 PM
>
> John Crawford wrote:
> >
> > I am amazed at the ignorance about the history of the Church of Ireland
> > shown by some of the postings recently to this newsgroup.
> >
> > For history and other information see: http://www.ireland.anglican.org/
> >
> > The Rev Canon John Crawford
> > St Patrick's Cathedral
> > (the National Cathedral of the Church of Ireland)
> > Dublin.
>
>
Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake
In article <346BD2...@wvi.com>, Zehner <zeh...@wvi.com> writes
>John Crawford wrote:
>>
>> I am amazed at the ignorance about the history of the Church of Ireland
>> shown by some of the postings recently to this newsgroup.
>>
>> For history and other information see: http://www.ireland.anglican.org/
>>
>> The Rev Canon John Crawford
>> St Patrick's Cathedral
>> (the National Cathedral of the Church of Ireland)
>> Dublin.
>
>
>Ignorance is such a STRONG word. Many of us have to learn about things
>as we go along with our genealogical searches. This is a wonderful
>"hobby" which requires a good deal of "learning" as we try to find, and
>understand, the lives of our ancestors.
To be fair to the Reverend Canon, he may have been commenting on his
perceived ignorance of those that *answered* the question rather than
those who *asked* it. He didn't make that clear though.
--
Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake
Drake Software web site at http://www.tdrake.demon.co.uk/
maplegrove
ignorance can be fixed, stupidity is forever
-----Original Message-----
From: Zehner <zeh...@wvi.com>
To: GENI...@rootsweb.com <GENI...@rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, November 13, 1997 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Church of England & Ireland
Robert_...@cpr.ca
Everyone,
I asked the original question about the Church of England & Ireland.
I know what the C of E is, and I know what the C of I is; however, during
my short time time
with family history research I have not seen C of E & I.
Let's not start another little war here. I will continue to ask these types
of questions (the
only way to learn) and I appreciate the answers I received.
Thank you everyone that responded with the information that helped me
understand this
better.
Robert
Toronto, Canada
del...@pacbell.net
Ah Barney,
I too was dismayed by John Crawford's email, but when I saw his title
I went "oh of course he would say something like that."
When I saw your reply to all the criticisms of his email, I wanted to
respond. I think the criticisms are justified.
Whenever you learn something new, there is no such thing as a stupid
or ignornant question. There are however people who jealously guard
knowledge...and from my understanding of Irish history.
Ireland in the 14th Century was the envy of Europe for its learning.
Since then however, letting the people learn became forbidden and people
who wanted an education had to go "hedgerow". (Now, thank god, it's
changed.)
Also one stereotype of Irish people, perpetuated in the US, are that
Irish people are stupid and drunk. So I really think John Crawfords
comments very off target and very inconsiderate. However what else could
be expected from a person like him?
Laura O
Zehner
ALLISON L REEB wrote:
>
> I am sorry that I sent this message the wrong way. It was not meant for
> zeh...@wvi.com
> It was meant for John Crawford.
>
> Hello
> Not meaning to be disrespectful in any way but I am amazed at how pious
> you appear to be. We are enjoying our research and learning much along the
> way in many cases. So, in the future, it would be nice to watch our
> WORDING because people have feelings.
>
> Nancy Reeb
>
> ----------
> >
> > John Crawford wrote:
> > >
> > > I am amazed at the ignorance about the history of the Church of Ireland
> > > shown by some of the postings recently to this newsgroup.
> > >
> > > For history and other information see: http://www.ireland.anglican.org/
> > >
> > > The Rev Canon John Crawford
> > > St Patrick's Cathedral
> > > (the National Cathedral of the Church of Ireland)
> > > Dublin.
> >
> >
> > Ignorance is such a STRONG word. Many of us have to learn about things
> > as we go along with our genealogical searches. This is a wonderful
> > "hobby" which requires a good deal of "learning" as we try to find, and
> > understand, the lives of our ancestors.
Thaks!! I was wondering if I had "crossed the line" in some way - yet
noticed that others seemed to have had the same reaction. If nothing
else, this hobby continues to show me how much I don't know, and as I
(we) continue our research, we are bound to be more rounded individuals
by virtue of what we learn.
Kathy Z.
Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake
In message <1997111500...@mail-gw2.pacbell.net>,
del...@pacbell.net writes
I am not trying to defend him. Whenever someone uses contentious
language there is the temptation to fire off a knee-jerk response. All I
was suggesting was that you examine the possibility that his 'ignorance'
comment was not directed at people asking questions, but rather at
people making replies.
In my book to ask a question from lack of knowledge is wisdom, while to
answer a question with lack of knowledge is worse than ignorance.
>However what else could
>be expected from a person like him?
>Laura O
Er, you wouldn't be doing a bit of stereotyping yourself now would you?
:)
William H Grimes
Why don't we all agree to drop this subject line. It is just clutter to
most of us though I understand that some people still get hot about
things that happened hundreds of years ago. I get enough mail as it is
but in the past week there have been way to many messages on this
subject. This is an area that there will never be a majority let alone a
consensus agreement on. Please drop this or send your messages to the
individual not to the entire list.
Thanks, Bill
Billshau29
In article <01bcf049$ba006c40$4a2a7dc2@default>, "John Crawford"
<jwrc...@iol.ie> writes:
>
>I am amazed at the ignorance about the history of the Church of Ireland
>shown by some of the postings recently to this newsgroup.
>
>
Not at all surprising when you take the time to look into the Popery Laws.
I know that this was not the doing of your group, but to the overwhelming
majority of the Irish population, you were part and parcel of the
perpetrating group.
Good luck in your endeavors.
Bill Shaughnessy
Bills...@aol.com
Pat Traynor
"Ignorance"; From American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language;
"Lack of knowledge".
"Unaware, or uninformed".
" `Ignorant' can refer to a person's low level of knwledge in general or,
in a narrower sense, to his being uninformed or unaware of a specific thing."
Maybe it wasn't meant as an insult? Maybe we are to quick with our flames???
Pat Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tr...@jps.net