Going to Ireland-A MUST See
Rob Flanagan Stieglitz
October!
I will visit the homes of my great grandparents in
Cloonfree/Strokestown, Ardee/Louth and Lisnagon/Meath. I also will go
to Cork because I believe a family ancestor came from there too. I
will also visit Trinity in Dublin.
I will be there only 8 days! I need some suggestions from those "who
have been there". What else is a must see, given so little time? Any
help will greatly appreciated!
Rob Flanagan Stieglitz
Carberry@charter.net Sharon Carberry
National Library and see its reading room - the coffered ceiling is a sight
to behold. Do some research, too. Also see St. Stephens Green and
have a quick meal (the curry is fine) at the Kenmare cafeteria in the
adjacent enclosed mall.
A little farther over, but very importantly open on a Sunday, is the
National Gallery, a museum of important and spectacular artifacts as
well as wonderful oil paintings by Irish artists. Walk amidst the
surrounding neighborhood with Georgian doorways so often displayed
on posters.
I'll let others fill you in on the outlying areas.
Sharon Carberry
Masschusetts
Don Moody
Flanagan Stieglitz <rstie...@msn.com> writes
Pointless question. How would anybody on this newsgroup know what
interests you, how you are travelling, what your financial constraints
are, whether this is a once in a lifetime visit, or anything else
whatsoever which would allow another to make a priority judgement for
you?
For a specific example, when we were in Cork I made sure that my wife
saw the Gaol. There was a reason peculiar to her. How the hell could I
possibly advise you to see the Gaol? I have no idea whether your
ancestry includes an inmate or a warder at that place. Nor any idea
whether the conditions in that Gaol, which it portrays so graphically,
are relevant in any way to illuminating the conditions in which your
ancestors lived.
If you want a detailed sensible answer, give more information about what
is important to you. Then someone might be able to steer you to places
useful in illustrating your genealogy.
Don
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Pete Schermerhorn
Rob,
If you could do only one other thing on the trip, I think you'd find that a
short boat trip out to Skellig Michael, off of Valencia Island in S. Kerry,
would be the highlight of your trip. It's a bit out of the way for your
itinerary, however.
Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts
Remove nojunk.
Dennis Ahern
: After 5 years of Genealogical Research I am going to Ireland this
: October!
: I will visit the homes of my great grandparents in
: Cloonfree/Strokestown, Ardee/Louth and Lisnagon/Meath. I also will go
: to Cork because I believe a family ancestor came from there too. I
: will also visit Trinity in Dublin.
You are well-prepared if you have already located the homes of your great
grandparents in Louth and Meath, but Cork is the largest county in Ireland
and there may not be much you can do there in the way of research in so
short a time. The one spiritual connection you might make with your Cork
ancestors would be to visit Cobh and see the museum of emigration there as
it could well have been their port of departure. Even though you may lack
details of specific individuals, there is the possibility they once trod
the streets of Cobh, or Queenstown, awaiting a ship, unless they left Cork
in the 1850s or earlier when they would have likely boarded a smaller
vessel leaving from the quays of Cork City itself destined for Liverpool
in search of a transatlantic emigrant vessel.
: I will be there only 8 days! I need some suggestions from those "who
: have been there". What else is a must see, given so little time? Any
: help will greatly appreciated!
Go and see the new Millenium spire on O'Connell Street and report back on
whether you feel truly in-spired, or just perplexed by a pointless
pinnacle. In the meantime, http://tiara.ie/goingto.htm may have some
links to information that may help with your trip planning.
-dja
Dennis Ahern
: For a specific example, when we were in Cork I made sure that my wife
: saw the Gaol. There was a reason peculiar to her. How the hell could I
Did you see the Ahern graffiti under plexiglas in that one cell? The
scriber was a Midleton man incarcerated during the 1922 troubles.
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Carberry@charter.net Sharon Carberry
While genealogy requires precision in order to be authentically productive
in results, an Irish descendant asking for traveling suggestions need not
be
so precise. The idea is to garner places that he or a travel agent might
not
otherwise hit upon. He wants to broaden his exposure to all things Irish.
Some of the best experiences are the ones without charge, which a travel
agent might not know about. All the locations I mentioned are free. He can
pick and choose among the suggestions - to say something is not
to bind him to it as part of his itinerary. Go with the spirit of the
posting -
he is excited about the prospect of being there. Share some good memories
and wish him the wind at his back.
Sharon Carberry
Massachusetts
Don Moody
<ah...@world.std.com> writes
>Don Moody <d...@hyperpeople.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>: For a specific example, when we were in Cork I made sure that my wife
>: saw the Gaol. There was a reason peculiar to her. How the hell could I
>
>Did you see the Ahern graffiti under plexiglas in that one cell? The
>scriber was a Midleton man incarcerated during the 1922 troubles.
Yes and no. We saw the cell wall but one of the lights was out and my
eyesight wasn't up to the task of reading in the gloom (I have diabetic
retinopathy and hence need a lot of light). We asked a guide to point to
the signatures of interest to you. They did not know the wall
sufficiently well to point to the right bit.
That inability to see was hours before we sampled the other products of
Midleton!
Which sampling was in part to overcome the gloom of the Gaol itself. As
you will well know, the presentation conveys a lot about the situation
of poor Irish folk in the past. My wife had no prior 'feel' for the
conditions in which her Callaghan ancestor had lived, and he was a
gaoler not one of the gaoled.
To return to the original post, this illustrates the pointlessness of
his question. If somebody has a convict or gaoler ancestor and wants to
get an impression of the grottiness of life for the poor in Ireland,
then in Cork a visit to the Gaol is a 'must'. If they don't have such an
ancestor and are not interested in why the poor did what they did, then
I'd regard the Gaol as a 'must not'.
Don Moody
<Sharon@Carberry.?.net.invalid> writes
>Dr. Moody,
>
>While genealogy requires precision in order to be authentically productive
>in results, an Irish descendant asking for traveling suggestions need not
>be
>so precise. The idea is to garner places that he or a travel agent might
>not
>otherwise hit upon. He wants to broaden his exposure to all things Irish.
HOW DO YOU KNOW? The original poster did not say what he wanted. That
was the point.
It is futile to think that in 8 days he, or anyone else, could 'broaden
their exposure to ALL things Irish.' Therefore he is going to have to be
selective. ON WHAT GROUNDS? He doesn't say. Hence neither you nor anyone
else can give him a useful selective steer to the few things Irish he
will be able to see or hear during his stay.
It is not only genealogy, Sharon, that requires precision. Difficult as
it may be for you to acquire a skill of such precise and high order, do
put in some practice at READING WITH COMPREHENSION before you respond. I
hope this posting helps. I capitalised the difficult bits in order to
help a little more.
Rob Flanagan Stieglitz
You are most certantly correct! I was just looking for a few
suggestions, and hoped that some might be of interest to me. In the
future I will more exact in posting any questions to this group.
Thank you for your polite and thoughtful response.
Rob
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Dennis Ahern
: That inability to see was hours before we sampled the other products of
: Midleton!
When we had a bus tour as part of our Ahern gathering in Cork in 2001, we
made sure Midleton was the last stop and not the first. Although none of
our ancestors were connected to the distillery trade, the visit was one
that did not lack in educational merit.
-dja
Sir Crispin Gaylord
Dear Rob,
Here are some "not to be missed experiences" for
your visit:
1) Pay your respects to the families your ancestral landlords.
2) More importantly, pay the arrears of rent that are in all
probability owing, plus interest.
3) Pay the other legal debts, such as tythes, which your ancestors
also probably defaulted on.
'tis the least you could do...
Yours, etc.
Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt.
Rob Flanagan Stieglitz
When I started this Genealogy search all I had to go on was my Mother
telling me her family was from Cork. Little did I know until I
started my search that I would be researching 8 familes. (Flanagan,
Conry, Finnegan, Conroy, Tighe, Forsythe, Branagan and Kennedy) I was
3/4 succesful in finding specific homesteads but none from Cork. It
appears my Finnegan/Conroy family has to be connected to Cork and I
believe it was this Conroy from my Great Grandmother's side. I know
there has to be a Cork connection because the baptismal sponsors names
for my great grandmother's children were Condon, Barrett and McGrath
(Cork surnames). Unfortunately I can trace any of them.
The suggestion about Cobh is interesting and I will look into it!
Thanks,
Rob
Dennis Ahern <ah...@world.std.com> wrote in message news:<bgtd6q$rco$2...@pcls4.std.com>...
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>From: rstie...@msn.com (Rob Flanagan Stieglitz)
>Date: 8/7/2003 7:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <dcec3736.03080...@posting.google.com>
>When I started this Genealogy search all I had to go on was my Mother
>telling me her family was from Cork. Little did I know until I
>started my search that I would be researching 8 familes. (Flanagan,
>Conry, Finnegan,
I had Flanagan who lived in the southern part of country limerick. Bruff area.
> Conroy, Tighe, Forsythe, Branagan and Kennedy)
I have Branagan who lived in county Tyrone. I saw a Branagan drug store in a
town just outside of Limerick on its way to Cliffs of Moher. >I was
>3/4 succesful in finding specific homesteads but none from Cork. It
>appears my Finnegan/Conroy family has to be connected to Cork and I
>believe it was this Conroy from my Great Grandmother's side. I know
>there has to be a Cork connection because the baptismal sponsors
>names
>for my great grandmother's children were Condon, Barrett and McGrath
>(Cork surnames). Unfortunately I can trace any of them.
>The suggestion about Cobh is interesting and I will look into it!
>
The Church on the hill overlooking Cobh is a must. It is just a wonderful
building.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
Dennis Ahern
: When I started this Genealogy search all I had to go on was my Mother
: telling me her family was from Cork. Little did I know until I
: started my search that I would be researching 8 familes. (Flanagan,
: Conry, Finnegan, Conroy, Tighe, Forsythe, Branagan and Kennedy) I was
It may be worth your while to check with the Mallow Heritage Centre. They
have a computer index of parish records for the Diocese of Cloyne, which
is primarily north and east county Cork. If you have some family groups
where you can identify parents and groups of siblings, they may be able to
do a search for you that would idicate what parish they were in. If they
turn out to have been in west or south county Cork, you will have more of
a challenge as there is not any viable indexing project for the Diocese of
Cork and Ross, which covers most of the rest of the county.
See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Cork.htm
Cork Family Heritage Centres computerizing parish records
Provides search service for a fee
See http://tiara.ie/results.htm for customer comments
This, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.
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Brian
"Don Moody" <d...@hyperpeople.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Shame that some folks have to have the obvious
spelt out for them.
Brian
"Sharon Carberry" <Sharon Carb...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Carberry@charter.net Sharon Carberry
I assume I may address you as such, in reciprocity with your manner of
addressing me. I too have a doctorate and know full well how to read
with comprehension. Responding to postings on places to see is not a
science. No one needs a doctorate or experience as a travel agent to
make a suggestion.
As for the impossibility of broadening one's exposure to all things Irish
in a mere 8 days, it is of course possible and inevitable provided the
traveler does anything other than visit places which are strictly American
in perspective. "To broaden" inherently incorporates a range of degrees.
To stop and converse with an Irish resident would result in a broadening of
a traveler's exposure to all things Irish.
I will refrain from comments as ad hominem as yours. You expose yourself
too much, sir. Zip it up.
Sharon Carberry
Massachusetts
Don Moody
<Sharon@Carberry.?.net.invalid> writes
>Don.
>
>I assume I may address you as such, in reciprocity with your manner of
>addressing me. I too have a doctorate and know full well how to read
>with comprehension. Responding to postings on places to see is not a
>science. No one needs a doctorate or experience as a travel agent to
>make a suggestion.
>
>As for the impossibility of broadening one's exposure to all things Irish
>in a mere 8 days, it is of course possible and inevitable provided the
>traveler does anything other than visit places which are strictly American
>in perspective. "To broaden" inherently incorporates a range of degrees.
>To stop and converse with an Irish resident would result in a broadening of
>a traveler's exposure to all things Irish.
Don't be a damn fool. Note your own word 'all' in the line above.
Talking to one informant for the whole 8 days could not possibly expose
any traveller to ALL things Irish.
Try reading what the OP asked. It wasn't what you assumed it to be. At
least the OP had the nous to realise that in 8 days - and with other
things to do - he wasn't going to see ALL things Irish. His question
implied selectivity.
Since he did not disclose any criteria for selection, his question was
unanswerable in the terms asked, and by anyone with any respect for the
OP's right to say what is important to him. Which may or may not be what
you think is important to you.
Carberry@charter.net Sharon Carberry
Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel
that you, too, can become great."
Mark Twain
This is not for your benefit, Don, as your perspective is set and
unchanging.
However, for anyone who contemplates doing something different and
dares to seek advice, I encourage seeking encouragement. I, and hopefully
others, can continue to respond to a posting according to its apparent
intent.
I do so merely as a brief interruption to my other activities, not as part
of a
lifelong crusade to impose my point of view on the world.
Goodbye,
Sharon Carberry
Don Moody
<Sharon@Carberry.?.net.invalid> writes
>This is not for your benefit, Don, as your perspective is set and
>unchanging.
perspective of any other real scientist over all the known millennia has
been changeable.
We cleave to the truth as best we can ascertain it. If you want to
change the position of a scientist you produce more facts or better
logic to show that what (s)he presently holds true is false. Then any
real scientist will change to the new position forthwith and without
resistance. Science proceeds by falsification of what is known. Anything
held to be true by a scientist is held only until it is falsified.
Opinion, even majority opinion, does not matter. Science is not a
democratic process. In that process, if you cannot falsify, by fact or
logic, what I say then you are bound to take it as true. Until I, you or
some third party manages to falsify it in the proper manner.
Hitherto you have produced nothing whatsoever to falsify the position I
took on the OP's question. Conversely, I have produced logical analysis
which falsifies your position.
I don't know what your doctorate is in, but on your postings I have to
assume that it isn't in science or it wasn't done under the tutelage of
anybody who had a grasp of the philosophy of science. If either is true,
I suggest you keep away from any newsgroup containing *logy.* and
confine yourself to ng where unfounded personal opinion is the order of
the day. There are plenty of topics on which unfounded personal opinion
is a valid and valuable contribution.
Peg Sullivan
arrears on property that was stolen
from us? I am sick of your rabble-
rousing.
Roy
SUL...@webtv.net says...
Hint......
Don't take all you read in newsgroups too seriously, and try to develop
a sense of humour. Above all avoid knee-jerk reactions!
Cheers,
Roy
Joseph Kenna
Please elaberate a bit on Skellig
Joe Kenna .
InsuranceBroker
>Date: 8/13/2003 8:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3174-3F...@storefull-2151.public.lawson.webtv.net>
>Hi Pete
> Please elaberate a bit on Skellig
> Joe Kenna
Skellig is a small island off the southwest coast of Ireland. There is a small
village on the ring of kerry which is about 18 miles from Skellig. The town is
wonderful and we have the most wonderful lunch in one of the local pubs. I was
amazed to see the fishing units that they local used. They must pull in some
very big fish.
Just outside the town heading back on the lower section of the ring of Kerry is
one of the most beautiful spots that I have ever observed in my life. I hope
to be lucky enough to go back to that spot some day.
If you drive stop off at the Gap at Dun Lough (sp) Cars are not recommend.
One of the best jokes that I saw in Ireland was the sign that warned the the
road into the gap was not recommended for auto's. It did not look much
different than some of the cow paths that I had to drive in Limerick.
Sir Crispin Gaylord
Stolen? As usual, the facts are the reverse.
As you are doubtless aware, Ireland was granted by the Pope to the
Kings of England, the Irish Kings and Chiefs readily submitted and
became vassals of the King, etc., etc. The land of Ireland belonged to
England by undoubted and legitimate right. Accepting without
hesitation the heavy burden of bringing civilization and true religion
to the natives, the English were repaid by treason and rebellion by
the ignorant multitude. If property was stolen, it was when the
patrimony of the landlords - the fount of enlightenment in Ireland -
was confiscated in a vain attempt to placate the rabble.
Norvin Gordon
Don, my daddy said if I couldn't say something nice, then shut up.