Re: GENIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 280
Janet Truncali
May I have the website address.
Thanks,
Janet
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> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) (Michael Merrigan)
> 2. Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) (Graham Milne)
> 3. New files in IGP for October (Christina Finn Hunt)
> 4. Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) (Graham Milne)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:25:01 -0800 (PST)
> From: Michael Merrigan <GSI.Se...@familyhistory.ie>
> Subject: Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009)
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> On Nov 13, 5:32 am, Greg <scoti...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 10 Nov, 01:15, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > A Chairde,
>>
>> > The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the
>> > monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is available
>> > to view by clicking on the following
>> > link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/
>>
>> > Featured in this issue:
>>
>> > + The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?
>> > + Honorary Herald Appointed
>> > + Early Gaelic Sources & Literature (www.fourcourtspress.ie)
>> > + Population Decline or 'Ethnic Cleansing'?
>> > + GSI Website & Archival Services
>> > + A Fitting Tribute
>> > + James Scannell Reports...
>> > +++ Vanishing Names
>> > +++ Dublin's Viking Wall
>> > +++ National Library Book
>> > +++ Death of Werner Heubeck
>> > + Sources (launch ofhttp://sources.nli.ie)
>> > + GSI Lectures & News
>> > + Presidential Inauguration
>> > + Annual Review of the Membership Packages
>> > + Diary Dates
>> > + Celebrating Nineteen Years (2)
>> > + Arms & Emblems Register
>> > + Guild of One-Name Studies
>> > + GSI Journal
>>
>> > Regards,
>>
>> > Michael Merrigan
>> > General Secretary
>> > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie
>>
>> I found the article "The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?" to be
>> something of an unfortunate lid being placed on the OCHI. If, as you
>> have said Michael, Ireland has an old respect for heraldry, it just
>> doesn't seem right then that the country would have allowed this and
>> would have done something long ago to protect the office. Arms are
>> indeed a money making venture for the country / the National Library
>> and it has a lot to do with Irish pride (I would think) and genealogy.
>>
>> Scotland is undergoing hard times these days as well . . .
>>
>> I really hate to see it going this way. Like the article however, I
>> think that if things keep up, the OCHI will cease to exist.
>
>
> Greg, a Chara,
>
> The Genealogical Society of Ireland has been endeavouring to highlight
> the absolute necessity for legislative reform of the State's delivery
> of heraldic services since 2000 and indeed, published the 'heads of a
> bill' to achieve such in 2002. This culminated in the publication of
> the Genealogy & Heraldry Bill, 2006.
>
> Unfortunately, the 'office' of the Chief Herald of Ireland and certain
> vested interests were totally opposed to the Bill and viewed its
> proposed structures and regulatory regime as unnecessary. In their
> view, and that of their supporters in Ireland and abroard, the status
> quo was to be defended irrespective of the difficulties encountered by
> the 'office' of the Chief Herald during the last two decades of the
> 20th century.
>
> One simple aspect of the Bill would have ensured the appointment of a
> Deputy Chief Herald to undertake the duties and powers of the Chief
> Herald of Ireland in his/her absence or in the current circumstances.
> This would have allowed for a continuance of the delivery of heraldic
> services and provided heraldry with a secure future as an important
> part of the cultural heritage of our Republic.
>
> Currently Senator Alex White's 'National Cultural Institutions
> (Amendment) Bill, 2008' is on the Order Paper of Seanad ?ireann (Irish
> Senate), however, stated government policy on the amalgamation of the
> National Library, National Archives and the Irish Manuscript
> Commission will allow the Minister to place any resolution of the
> 'heraldic mess' on the very, very long finger indeed.
>
> It is unfortunate that the very people who sought to defend the status
> quo at all costs may have actually achieved just that with the
> possible demise of the State's heraldic services. This, no doubt,
> gives rise to many questions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Merrigan
> General Secretary
> Genealogical Society of Ireland
> www.familyhistory.ie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:57:15 -0800 (PST)
> From: Graham Milne <grahamm...@btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009)
> To: gen...@rootsweb.com
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> On 13 Nov, 10:25, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie>
> wrote:
>> On Nov 13, 5:32 am, Greg <scoti...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 10 Nov, 01:15, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > A Chairde,
>>
>> > > The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the
>> > > monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is
>> > > available
>> > > to view by clicking on the following
>> > > link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/
>>
>> > > Featured in this issue:
>>
>> > > + The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?
>> > > + Honorary Herald Appointed
>> > > + Early Gaelic Sources & Literature ?(www.fourcourtspress.ie)
>> > > + Population Decline or 'Ethnic Cleansing'?
>> > > + GSI Website & Archival Services
>> > > + A Fitting Tribute
>> > > + James Scannell Reports...
>> > > +++ Vanishing Names
>> > > +++ Dublin's Viking Wall
>> > > +++ National Library Book
>> > > +++ Death of Werner Heubeck
>> > > + Sources (launch ofhttp://sources.nli.ie)
>> > > + GSI Lectures & News
>> > > + Presidential Inauguration
>> > > + Annual Review of the Membership Packages
>> > > + Diary Dates
>> > > + Celebrating Nineteen Years (2)
>> > > + Arms & Emblems Register
>> > > + Guild of One-Name Studies
>> > > + GSI Journal
>>
>> > > Regards,
>>
>> > > Michael Merrigan
>> > > General Secretary
>> > > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie
>>
>> > I found the article "The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?" to be
>> > something of an unfortunate lid being placed on the OCHI. ?If, as you
>> > have said Michael, Ireland has an old respect for heraldry, it just
>> > doesn't seem right then that the country would have allowed this and
>> > would have done something long ago to protect the office. ?Arms are
>> > indeed a money making venture for the country / the National Library
>> > and it has a lot to do with Irish pride (I would think) and genealogy.
>>
>> > Scotland is undergoing hard times these days as well . . .
>>
>> > I really hate to see it going this way. ?Like the article however, I
>> > think that if things keep up, the OCHI will cease to exist.
>>
>> Greg, a Chara,
>>
>> The Genealogical Society of Ireland has been endeavouring to highlight
>> the absolute necessity for legislative reform of the State's delivery
>> of heraldic services since 2000 and indeed, published the 'heads of a
>> bill' to achieve such in 2002. ?This culminated in the publication of
>> the Genealogy & Heraldry Bill, 2006.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the 'office' of the Chief Herald of Ireland and certain
>> vested interests were totally opposed to the Bill and viewed its
>> proposed structures and regulatory regime as unnecessary. In their
>> view, and that of their supporters in Ireland and abroard, the status
>> quo was to be defended irrespective of the difficulties encountered by
>> the 'office' of the Chief Herald during the last two decades of the
>> 20th century.
>>
>> One simple aspect of the Bill would have ensured the appointment of a
>> Deputy Chief Herald to undertake the duties and powers of the Chief
>> Herald of Ireland in his/her absence or in the current circumstances.
>> This would have allowed for a continuance of the delivery of heraldic
>> services and provided heraldry with a secure future as an important
>> part of the cultural heritage of our Republic.
>>
>> Currently Senator Alex White's 'National Cultural Institutions
>> (Amendment) Bill, 2008' is on the Order Paper of Seanad ?ireann (Irish
>> Senate), however, stated government policy on the amalgamation of the
>> National Library, National Archives and the Irish Manuscript
>> Commission will allow the Minister to place any resolution of the
>> 'heraldic mess' on the very, very long finger indeed.
>>
>> It is unfortunate that the very people who sought to defend the status
>> quo at all costs may have actually achieved just that with the
>> possible demise of the State's heraldic services. ?This, no doubt,
>> gives rise to many questions.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael Merrigan
>> General Secretary
>> Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> But I notice that the Genealogical Society of Ireland has appointed a
> herald and is setting up a register of arms. I think you must step
> into the breach. Well done.
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:23:19 -0500
> From: Christina Finn Hunt <chri...@gmail.com>
> Subject: New files in IGP for October
> To: SHAM...@rootsweb.com, ire...@rootsweb.com, GEN...@rootsweb.com,
> IRISH-IN...@rootsweb.com, IRISH...@rootsweb.com,
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> I am a bit late with this. Our site was down due to an electrical
> outage so I couldn't compile any updates.
> I have skipped the small files like single obits and vital records to
> keep the list shorter.
> To view any of the items below go to:
> http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/
> Then click on the County and Subject Heading. Or use the search
> engine. Subject Headings are in Caps.
>
> Armagh Genealogy Archives
> CENSUS SUBSTITUTES
> -Landowners 1870's
> PHOTOS
> -People, Church, Bible
>
> Cork Genealogy Archives
> CHURCH
> Update-Info on various surnames from area around Skibbereen, SW County
> Cork
>
> Down Genealogy Archives
> CENSUS SUBSTITUTES
> -Landowners 1870's
>
> Dublin Genealogy Archives
> LAND
> -Canceled Valuation Books, Royal Canal Bank, Arrans Quay ca. 1917-1919
> -Canceled Valuation Books, Royse Road, Arran Quay ca. 1917-1919
> -Canceled Valuation Books, Phibsborough Road (pt1&2), Arrans Quay ca.
> 1917-1919
> HEADSTONES
> -Update - Deansgrange Cemetery, St. Mogue's Part 1
> PHOTOS
> -Assorted photos of churches
>
> Fermanagh Genealogy Archives
> PHOTOS
> -Church Photos
>
> Kerry Genealogy Archives
> PHOTOS
> -Church
>
> Kildare Genealogy Archives
> PHOTOS
> -Church Photos
>
> Laois (Queens)
> NEWS
> LAOIS, Freeman's Journal 16 July 1860
> LAOIS, Sep 25 1887, The Times
> LAOIS, Dublin Journal, 12 Oct 1745
>
> Leitrim Genealogy Archives
> PHOTOS
> -Churches, People, Cemetery
>
> Limerick Ireland Genealogy Archives
> PHOTOS
> -Church Photos
> HEADSTONES
> -Pallasgreen Graveyard - Old Pallas Cemetery (part)
>
> Louth Genealogy Archives
> CENSUS SUBSTITUTES
> -Landowners 1870's
>
> Mayo Genealogy Archives
> PHOTOS
> Assorted Church photos
>
> Monaghan Genealogy Archives
> HEADSTONES
> -St Salvatore's, Donagh
> PHOTOS
> -Church Photos
> MILITARY & CONSTABULARY
> Royal Irish Constabulary native county of Monaghan Sep 1852-May 1853
>
> Offaly (Kings) Genealogy Archives
> CEMETERIES
> -Eglish - Partial Survey
>
> Roscommon Genealogy Archives
> CENSUS SUBSTITUTES SUBSTITUTES
> -Landowners 1870's
>
> Sligo
> PHOTOS
> -Church
>
> Tipperary Genealogy Archives
> OBITUARIES
> -Assorted obits
> PHOTOS
> -Church
>
> Waterford
> PHOTOS
> Church photo
>
> Wexford Genealogy Archives
> PHOTOS
> -Churches
> HEADSTONES
> Anglican Church, Inch, Wexford
> -St. James Horetown, Wexford
>
> Wicklow Genealogy Archives
> PHOTOS
> -Churches
> HEADSTONES
> -Update, Glenealy Parish Church Cemetery
> -St. Patrick's Church, Enniskerry - Part 4
> -Update, Kilcoole, Co.Wicklow
>
> If I have missed anything I apologize.
> Christina
> *We are glad to have your submissions of information and photos.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:20:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: Graham Milne <grahamm...@btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009)
> To: gen...@rootsweb.com
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> <9497ad34-4203-41cc...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
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>
> On 13 Nov, 12:57, Graham Milne <grahammilne...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 13 Nov, 10:25, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 13, 5:32 am, Greg <scoti...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > On 10 Nov, 01:15, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie>
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > A Chairde,
>>
>> > > > The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the
>> > > > monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is
>> > > > available
>> > > > to view by clicking on the following
>> > > > link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/
>>
>> > > > Featured in this issue:
>>
>> > > > + The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?
>> > > > + Honorary Herald Appointed
>> > > > + Early Gaelic Sources & Literature ?(www.fourcourtspress.ie)
>> > > > + Population Decline or 'Ethnic Cleansing'?
>> > > > + GSI Website & Archival Services
>> > > > + A Fitting Tribute
>> > > > + James Scannell Reports...
>> > > > +++ Vanishing Names
>> > > > +++ Dublin's Viking Wall
>> > > > +++ National Library Book
>> > > > +++ Death of Werner Heubeck
>> > > > + Sources (launch ofhttp://sources.nli.ie)
>> > > > + GSI Lectures & News
>> > > > + Presidential Inauguration
>> > > > + Annual Review of the Membership Packages
>> > > > + Diary Dates
>> > > > + Celebrating Nineteen Years (2)
>> > > > + Arms & Emblems Register
>> > > > + Guild of One-Name Studies
>> > > > + GSI Journal
>>
>> > > > Regards,
>>
>> > > > Michael Merrigan
>> > > > General Secretary
>> > > > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie
>>
>> > > I found the article "The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?" to be
>> > > something of an unfortunate lid being placed on the OCHI. ?If, as you
>> > > have said Michael, Ireland has an old respect for heraldry, it just
>> > > doesn't seem right then that the country would have allowed this and
>> > > would have done something long ago to protect the office. ?Arms are
>> > > indeed a money making venture for the country / the National Library
>> > > and it has a lot to do with Irish pride (I would think) and
>> > > genealogy.
>>
>> > > Scotland is undergoing hard times these days as well . . .
>>
>> > > I really hate to see it going this way. ?Like the article however, I
>> > > think that if things keep up, the OCHI will cease to exist.
>>
>> > Greg, a Chara,
>>
>> > The Genealogical Society of Ireland has been endeavouring to highlight
>> > the absolute necessity for legislative reform of the State's delivery
>> > of heraldic services since 2000 and indeed, published the 'heads of a
>> > bill' to achieve such in 2002. ?This culminated in the publication of
>> > the Genealogy & Heraldry Bill, 2006.
>>
>> > Unfortunately, the 'office' of the Chief Herald of Ireland and certain
>> > vested interests were totally opposed to the Bill and viewed its
>> > proposed structures and regulatory regime as unnecessary. In their
>> > view, and that of their supporters in Ireland and abroard, the status
>> > quo was to be defended irrespective of the difficulties encountered by
>> > the 'office' of the Chief Herald during the last two decades of the
>> > 20th century.
>>
>> > One simple aspect of the Bill would have ensured the appointment of a
>> > Deputy Chief Herald to undertake the duties and powers of the Chief
>> > Herald of Ireland in his/her absence or in the current circumstances.
>> > This would have allowed for a continuance of the delivery of heraldic
>> > services and provided heraldry with a secure future as an important
>> > part of the cultural heritage of our Republic.
>>
>> > Currently Senator Alex White's 'National Cultural Institutions
>> > (Amendment) Bill, 2008' is on the Order Paper of Seanad ?ireann (Irish
>> > Senate), however, stated government policy on the amalgamation of the
>> > National Library, National Archives and the Irish Manuscript
>> > Commission will allow the Minister to place any resolution of the
>> > 'heraldic mess' on the very, very long finger indeed.
>>
>> > It is unfortunate that the very people who sought to defend the status
>> > quo at all costs may have actually achieved just that with the
>> > possible demise of the State's heraldic services. ?This, no doubt,
>> > gives rise to many questions.
>>
>> > Regards,
>>
>> > Michael Merrigan
>> > General Secretary
>> > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie-Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> But I notice that the Genealogical Society of Ireland has appointed a
>> herald and is setting up a register of arms. I think you must step
>> into the breach. Well done.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> PS Get all the authentic Irish chiefs/nobs to support you and that
> will give it sufficient authority. The ancient Irish earls undoubtedly
> had the right to grant arms and to create barons and knights. Why not
> get it going again? That would be great fun! Who would be best
> qualified to do this? Duke of Leinster? Stuff the bolshy plebs in your
> parliament I say!
>
> PPS The Countess of Sutherland created a baron not that long ago
> (1990s) so if she can do it I am sure some Irish nobs can!
>
>
> End of GENIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 280
> **************************************
JD
> The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's
Genealogical Gazette' the
> monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society
of Ireland is available
> to view by clicking on the following >
link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/